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Good Morning Everyone,
Just thought I would start a new post for today since the other ones seem to run into each other. I am new to the site. I have only posted a few times. I have been on painkillers for a year now due to two MVA's. Started with Perc's then I was perscribed OxyContin. When a friend suggested sniffing them that was the start of my addiction I think.
I would run through the scripts at least a week early every time and have to suffer the awful withdrawals. Over time my back and neck pain is starting to get reduced so my doctor is trying to wean me off of all pain meds. I see a pain doc every two weeks for trigger point injections.
My car was broken into a month and a half ago and my Oxy was stolen. My doc decided that would be a good reason to switch me to Methadone. I took it for three weeks and I could not take it anymore. I was a walking zombie.
So for about three weeks I have been on straight Oxycodone. The 5mg tablets. Sure enough...I ran out of them early. My last dose was Sunday. I am suppose to take 6 a day...but I take more.
You would think I would learn my lesson right? Why is it that we don't? Why do we keep telling ourselves "I will take X amount extra today and then make up for it X day down the road?" IT NEVER HAPPENS. I keep taking more than I should every single time I get a script.
I bought a bottle of Ultram to help and it is. I hardly have any withdrawals. I just miss the high I guess?
Well...I have written a book now so I will stop.
I hope you are all having an okay morning.
-CM
Just thought I would start a new post for today since the other ones seem to run into each other. I am new to the site. I have only posted a few times. I have been on painkillers for a year now due to two MVA's. Started with Perc's then I was perscribed OxyContin. When a friend suggested sniffing them that was the start of my addiction I think.
I would run through the scripts at least a week early every time and have to suffer the awful withdrawals. Over time my back and neck pain is starting to get reduced so my doctor is trying to wean me off of all pain meds. I see a pain doc every two weeks for trigger point injections.
My car was broken into a month and a half ago and my Oxy was stolen. My doc decided that would be a good reason to switch me to Methadone. I took it for three weeks and I could not take it anymore. I was a walking zombie.
So for about three weeks I have been on straight Oxycodone. The 5mg tablets. Sure enough...I ran out of them early. My last dose was Sunday. I am suppose to take 6 a day...but I take more.
You would think I would learn my lesson right? Why is it that we don't? Why do we keep telling ourselves "I will take X amount extra today and then make up for it X day down the road?" IT NEVER HAPPENS. I keep taking more than I should every single time I get a script.
I bought a bottle of Ultram to help and it is. I hardly have any withdrawals. I just miss the high I guess?
Well...I have written a book now so I will stop.
I hope you are all having an okay morning.
-CM
rex, you don't want flash to have nausea on top of everything else ... Flash, if you're not on an SSRI anti-depressant like Prozac or Zoloft, you can use 5-HTP (available at the health food store). It's like having a warm glass of milk only several times more potent.
Thomas
Thomas
I have never made it more than a month off this stuff.
I seem to be planning,plotting,or thinking about my next script or hand-full all the time.
Is there any hope of freedom?????
michael
I seem to be planning,plotting,or thinking about my next script or hand-full all the time.
Is there any hope of freedom?????
michael
Hey, your are welcome, but you are doing it.
Do you have the benzos as part of the Thomas recipe, like Ativan or Klonopin? Use them sparingly, but they will work for the anxiety guarateed.
You just want to use them when absolutely necessary.
Also, the imsomnia, what can I say? I was at the beginnign up at 3:45 sometimes. Then it was 4:20 for a week. Then it was 5:00 am sharp. Now I seem to be sleeping till 5:30 - 5:40, so it gets better.
If you have insomnia, pick up a Barbara Streisand box set of her movies - that'll get you to sleep guaranteed!
Way to go - your are beating this thing!!!!
Rex
Do you have the benzos as part of the Thomas recipe, like Ativan or Klonopin? Use them sparingly, but they will work for the anxiety guarateed.
You just want to use them when absolutely necessary.
Also, the imsomnia, what can I say? I was at the beginnign up at 3:45 sometimes. Then it was 4:20 for a week. Then it was 5:00 am sharp. Now I seem to be sleeping till 5:30 - 5:40, so it gets better.
If you have insomnia, pick up a Barbara Streisand box set of her movies - that'll get you to sleep guaranteed!
Way to go - your are beating this thing!!!!
Rex
Rex,
Thank you for all your advice and support through my detox. It is day four of being totally clean and I am starting to feel a little better. It seems the leg restlessness is gone but the insomnia is still very much there. I still have anxiety and feel uncomfortable in my own skin.I feel like the worst of the physical pain is over and it is time to start "feeling" again. I find that AA and prayer helps me a great deal when I am feeling overwhelmed.
thanks again to everyone!
Thank you for all your advice and support through my detox. It is day four of being totally clean and I am starting to feel a little better. It seems the leg restlessness is gone but the insomnia is still very much there. I still have anxiety and feel uncomfortable in my own skin.I feel like the worst of the physical pain is over and it is time to start "feeling" again. I find that AA and prayer helps me a great deal when I am feeling overwhelmed.
thanks again to everyone!
hey chi-town girl,
how has your days and nights been? hope that you are doing good and that you have a nice holiday season. well from me to you goodbye and have a nice day. tce37
how has your days and nights been? hope that you are doing good and that you have a nice holiday season. well from me to you goodbye and have a nice day. tce37
The anxiety will really start to subside in about 72 hours or less. Get your mind off it until then.
You are doing what you need to do to get well.
Use thomas's recipe, and use the other suggestions here. Don't forget this little thing called 'The most powerful force in the universe!"
Prayer.
Good luck and God's Grace -
Rex
You are doing what you need to do to get well.
Use thomas's recipe, and use the other suggestions here. Don't forget this little thing called 'The most powerful force in the universe!"
Prayer.
Good luck and God's Grace -
Rex
Congrats on 2 days w/o any pills. Its a small miracle that you've been able to come this far. Try and think of your detoxing this way, you've simply got a bad case of the flu and it will pass in a couple more days. As posted below many times, can you get a script for clonidine, trazadone & bentyl? These 3 meds will help you along and ease some of the symptoms you are experiencing. Believe me, they will help you get the sleep you need too.
Did you quit cold turkey? What exactly is your story, I don't recall seeing any posts from you. Hang in there and keep us posted on how you are doing. ChiTownGirl.
Did you quit cold turkey? What exactly is your story, I don't recall seeing any posts from you. Hang in there and keep us posted on how you are doing. ChiTownGirl.
I have two days without a pill. The anxiety is horrible. I take kava and it helps a little. I struggle through work a nervous wreck. I cant sleep at all. Please tell me that this will pass soon. Through my addiction I loved being alone. Now I feel so alone and insecure that I am ready to have an anxiety attack. Thank you everyone for being here. This forum has been a miracle.
I intended on detoxing from methadone and saw an addictionologist who prescribed it to me. I started tapering, and my pain broke through, so I continue to take it. I was told indefinitely, as long as there are no problems.
It does alleviate about 80% of my pain. I do still have some, but nothing compared to what it's like without it!
It does alleviate about 80% of my pain. I do still have some, but nothing compared to what it's like without it!
Hello do you have to go to a clinic to be prescribed that, or do you have a doctor that does? Are you on it for pain?
I just wanted to respond to your post about 8 mg. being a lot.
The sublingual form that I take is equivalent to 1.9 ml injectible. So, in essence, we are taking the same dose. The liver eats up most of my dosages, where the injectible is almost completely used.
There is a big difference in dosing sublingual vs. injectible. I just wanted to be clear, that I am taking them sublingually, that's why my dosage is so high. Some people can take up to 32 mg. sublingually/day. It sounds like a lot, but in comparison to injectible, it's not.
I just can't wait until it is available here, so I won't need to get them compounded for me anymore. Soon, I hope.
The sublingual form that I take is equivalent to 1.9 ml injectible. So, in essence, we are taking the same dose. The liver eats up most of my dosages, where the injectible is almost completely used.
There is a big difference in dosing sublingual vs. injectible. I just wanted to be clear, that I am taking them sublingually, that's why my dosage is so high. Some people can take up to 32 mg. sublingually/day. It sounds like a lot, but in comparison to injectible, it's not.
I just can't wait until it is available here, so I won't need to get them compounded for me anymore. Soon, I hope.
Buprenorphine is a partial opiate antagonistic drug. That means that it acts like an opiate in low doses but acts like a opiate blocker in higher doses. It is this property that makes it a great medication for the pain patient with a secondary addiction problem. If abused by increasing the dose it tends to make you feel sick. If one tries to take another opiate such as oxycontin or even ultram it tend to make you feel very sick. This is why it is said to have a low abuse potential. Abusing it is just not fun.
This does not mean it cannot be abused. There are some people who are taking 8-10mg a day. The dose that I intend to stay on is 1-1.5mg a day. The big downside to buprenorphine is the cost. My current drug bill is $250.00-300.00 a month. That comes to $3600.00 a year. A heafy sum over a period of time but much better than many other alternatives.
It does work great for me. I get from this medication what I expected to get from antidepressant medication. Not high,just "normal". It has relieved me of many of the negative emotions and taken away most of the pain. It has allowed me to be the person I always knew I would be if it were not for the cloud of pain, depression and sleeplessness.
This does not mean it cannot be abused. There are some people who are taking 8-10mg a day. The dose that I intend to stay on is 1-1.5mg a day. The big downside to buprenorphine is the cost. My current drug bill is $250.00-300.00 a month. That comes to $3600.00 a year. A heafy sum over a period of time but much better than many other alternatives.
It does work great for me. I get from this medication what I expected to get from antidepressant medication. Not high,just "normal". It has relieved me of many of the negative emotions and taken away most of the pain. It has allowed me to be the person I always knew I would be if it were not for the cloud of pain, depression and sleeplessness.
Unless you are determined to go cold turkey, why don't you take a lortab before bed. Better still, take a darvocet and a clonidine. If you take only one it won't be a big setback. This way you will at least be able to sleep at night. You will need your strength and energy to fight the addiction during the day. In the long run all that matters is that you get and stay clean. It is better to slow down the process than risk total relaps. If you have genuine pain you will need to have a plan on how to deal with it once you are off the drugs.
Peace
Peace
Good morning all, day 8 no hydro in 70 hours! But I'm a wreck, the pain from the med. problems I have is killing me. Haven't slept in sevral days. The first few days a Zanax before bed would give me a couple hours of rest but not now.
Had to make a 200 mile round trip to Houston last night for a company Christmas party. About half way their I had the worst anxiety attack yet which increased the pain. Brought an ES and Zanax with me, took the Zanax but did very little. About half way during the evening my stomcah decided it didn't wont to be their. Spent the rest of the evening ditching to the bathroom.
Miseral ride home. Spent most of the night in the bath tub. Hate to see my water bill this month. I don't know how much longer I can keep from reaching for a hyro, I've got to rest!
Keep me in your thoughts, I'm not looking forward to this weekend. I've got several functions to attend and i"m afraid I'll give in to my weakness!
Thanks for all your support so far, I would not have made it this long without these post!
Had to make a 200 mile round trip to Houston last night for a company Christmas party. About half way their I had the worst anxiety attack yet which increased the pain. Brought an ES and Zanax with me, took the Zanax but did very little. About half way during the evening my stomcah decided it didn't wont to be their. Spent the rest of the evening ditching to the bathroom.
Miseral ride home. Spent most of the night in the bath tub. Hate to see my water bill this month. I don't know how much longer I can keep from reaching for a hyro, I've got to rest!
Keep me in your thoughts, I'm not looking forward to this weekend. I've got several functions to attend and i"m afraid I'll give in to my weakness!
Thanks for all your support so far, I would not have made it this long without these post!
Southern Bell
You must decide without a doubt exactly what you want. Your goal may be complete sobriety or to simply find a way of using your medications in a responsible way. Responsible use separates the drug dependent from the drug addict. It is much easier said than done. Only you can decide if you are using drugs to treat you pain or feed your addiction. Examine the hard evidence of your drug. Try to put your own perceptions on the side as they can be distorted. If you have repeated failed at tapering then it is probably time to change your approach to the problem. This does not mean you have failed. But at that point you may want to get another person involved. It does not have to be a professional. It can be your husband who controls you drug use. In my case it is my wife. Some people have gone as far as locking their drugs in a safety deposit box, which would greatly limit access. I believe that professionals should be used as a last resort in a non life threatening situation. Professional intervention always involves locking up you or you or the drugs that you use. It always leaves a paper trail that can follow you for the rest of your life. The important thing is that you get clear about your goals and keep changing your approach till you find something that works. Above all, never, ever surrender to dark forces.
Lisabet
What you are experiencing are symptoms of early withdrawal first thing in the morning. Runny nose, runny eyes, congestion and coughing are sometimes called the wet symptoms of addiction. These are most effectively controlled with clonidine. Clonidine is also helpful with sleep, controlling high blood pressure and anziety. The downside is that it will drain your energy.
Email me and I will make arrangements for you to try a few. If they seem to work for you then you can get some more on your own. You will of course have to send me a copy of your famous video in exchange. (just kidding)
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Everyone
If you have anything that you want to ask me, please post it on the board and I will answer you. There are days when I have as many as 15 messages from people asking questions. I can no longer keep up with them.
You must decide without a doubt exactly what you want. Your goal may be complete sobriety or to simply find a way of using your medications in a responsible way. Responsible use separates the drug dependent from the drug addict. It is much easier said than done. Only you can decide if you are using drugs to treat you pain or feed your addiction. Examine the hard evidence of your drug. Try to put your own perceptions on the side as they can be distorted. If you have repeated failed at tapering then it is probably time to change your approach to the problem. This does not mean you have failed. But at that point you may want to get another person involved. It does not have to be a professional. It can be your husband who controls you drug use. In my case it is my wife. Some people have gone as far as locking their drugs in a safety deposit box, which would greatly limit access. I believe that professionals should be used as a last resort in a non life threatening situation. Professional intervention always involves locking up you or you or the drugs that you use. It always leaves a paper trail that can follow you for the rest of your life. The important thing is that you get clear about your goals and keep changing your approach till you find something that works. Above all, never, ever surrender to dark forces.
Lisabet
What you are experiencing are symptoms of early withdrawal first thing in the morning. Runny nose, runny eyes, congestion and coughing are sometimes called the wet symptoms of addiction. These are most effectively controlled with clonidine. Clonidine is also helpful with sleep, controlling high blood pressure and anziety. The downside is that it will drain your energy.
Email me and I will make arrangements for you to try a few. If they seem to work for you then you can get some more on your own. You will of course have to send me a copy of your famous video in exchange. (just kidding)
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Everyone
If you have anything that you want to ask me, please post it on the board and I will answer you. There are days when I have as many as 15 messages from people asking questions. I can no longer keep up with them.
Thank you! I'm doing pretty good. Been a rough 3 1/2 months but things are looking up again. Didn't think I would make it for the longest time. Same to you by the way....... Have a great Christmas and new year!! I think I'll stick around this time LOL see ya around.
~Kell
~Kell
i know i don't really have an answer to your question, but i have noticed that when i am without, don't have any more of my meds, i sneeze a good bit and I get the sniffles. don't know if that's what you are talking about, but i have noticed it myself. love to you...sounds like you are doing pretty good. keep it up, your being strong is an inspiration to me (the world's biggest LOSER). keep it up, it helps me to see people succesfully beating these demons and getting control of their addiction. hats off to you! love to you.
I'd like your input on something also - I've tapered on the hydros (except for a few day binge over Thanksgiving) from about 12 a day; now I'm down to 6 a day. I do fairly well, except in the morning when I wake up. My nose is stuffed up and runny, my eyes are watery, and I sneeze my head off; sort of like an alergy attack. However when I take the 1-1/2 pills I'm now taking first thing in the morning, all symptoms cease in 15 or 20 minutes. I vaguely remember (I think it was your post) reading about something refered to as the "wets" or something. Is this what I'm going through? Any suggestions to help with this; I feel absolutely miserable in the mornings. Hope you're doing well with the Bup. Take care and thanks, Lisabet :)
i would like your realistic opinion on something, if you don't mind......if a person knows they are an addict, that they have a problem with narcotic pain pills, is it truly better to tough it out on your own, or should we seek professional help? i mean, what is best....seeing addictionologists, checking in to a detox center, going cold turkey all aone, or what? as you know, i'm seeing the psychiatrist, which just meant more medicine. it's helped with my anxiety, it truly has. but, i'm a firm believer that addiction is a disease....i will always want the drug, whether i'm in pain or not, you know? it seems like a never-ending cycle, that i'll be like this all my life. (boy, that's a sad thought). just wanted your opinion......i value your straight-forward approach to our struggles.
The medication you are taking is Nortiptyline. It is a tricyclic antidressant. It is used to help sleep, control compulsive behavior anziety and depression. I have taken it and like all other antidepressants, it did nothing positive for me.
Sorry about posting again. I meant to ask about Pamelor not Pamerol. If anyone has taken this medication for pain please let me know. I know this forum is for addicts, but most addicts have pain and that's why they are addicted atleast that's why I'm in this situation so I hope it's okay that I ask about this medication on this forum. Thank you for your help.
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