Anyone have exp. with a detox clinic

[wantareallife]

Hi !!!  I can't tell you how much you have all helped me so far. Can't wait to return the favor.  Anyway I am currently trying.... to taper down from 20 10mg lorcet a day to something less before going to the clinic on the 14th.  Has anyone tried the suboxone tabs yet for wdls?????  I've been taking the stupid lorcet for 6 years now and i finally feel ready to take my life back. The 24 hour detox proc. sounds to good to be true (not to mention way tooo expensive)  So I have opted for the suboxone tx.
Any info about what to expect would be appreciated.  I am a 38 yr old female scared of wdls.

[emmy22]

Hey everyone,
Does anyone know how long the RLS syndrome will last? right now I have been off vicodin for 30 hours and i have horrible restless leg syndrome!!!!!!!!!!Does anyone know how long it will last (4-6 a day habit) for three or so years. What, besides hot baths, can i do? I feel like I am going out of my mind. I can handle every other part of withdrawal, but the rls is driving me crazy. Sorry to cut in on your thread, but I can NEVER post questions...it is so hard to get through. Thomas...are you there??HELP.

[Thomas03]

Hi Emmy, sorry you're feeling so poorly. Besides hot baths, calcium, magnesium and potassium supplements can help RLS. Bananas are a good source of potassium. Also, benzodiazepines such as Valium, Klonopin, Librium, Xanax and Ativan will help (choose only one!). RLS from hydro withdrawal should start to ease somewhere between the 48 and 72 hour marks.

If you're using the recipe, when you start the L-Tyrosine on the 4th day, that will help considerably. L-Tyrosine helps boost your supply of dopamine. Dopamine deficiency is singled out as a common factor in RLS. I wouldn't suggest taking L-Tyrosine sooner because it will increase the anxiety you're already feeling.

There is a lot on the web devoted to RLS therapies. Just enter 'RLS withdrawal' into Google and you'll find lots of interesting reading. Good luck.

Thomas

[Thomas03]

I have only second-hand info on this, but I would expect suboxone (buprenorphine/nalaxone) to give you extremely good relief from hydro withdrawal. Some have said that buprenorphine provides total relief. Be very glad that you have this opportunity. Many of us don't.

There are a number of people on this forum who have used or are using suboxone or another form of bup who can tell you more.

Thomas

[emmy22]

Thank you so much for your help. this is horrible. I tried to tell my fiance what I have been going through, and he just gives me a look like i am being dramatic. I am going through this all alone, and it sucks. So by Saturday (for the most part)the rls should be pretty much gone?? I have some flexeril, would that help????

[Chezz2]

Emmy,

Sorry to hear you are having to deal with the rls. I know how bad it can get and even seem worse than it is.
TAKE the flexeril. It is a muscle relaxer and should almost knock out any trace of rls. It works different for everyone though. My doc is surprised I can take 4 at one time and not even get the sleepiness or whatever it is supposed to induce. So like I said it is different for everyone.
Also, like Thomas said, potassium. That is a deficit in many people on opiates. I recently found this out during a schooling class. It exacerbates the rls even more since we are already depleted. So any type of supplement, preferrably straight potassium, or bananas would help. Actually when I was hospitalized a couple months ago for my back, that is the only thing they found in all the panels that they ran, that my potassium was well below normal levels. They gave me a couple pills for it and my levels were back up.

Good luck, and I hope the flexeril relieves the creepies,
Chezz

[Thomas03]

The RLS should be mostly done with you sometime Saturday, but please understand that everyone is different in terms of withdrawal duration and intensity. Your length of habit and dosage affects the duration of withdrawal symptoms.

While the duration of your habit (3 years) is significant, your daily dosage is low (4 to 6 Vics). Today and tomorrow will suck, but Saturday should see Emmy starting to feel a bit better. Don't expect withdrawal to be over -- just better.

Your husband's reaction is typical of anyone who hasn't experienced withdrawal. Don't let it rattle you. Stick to your guns. You're sick right now, so he can just shift for himself for a couple days.

Thomas

[emmy22]

Thanks Thomas!! You mentioned that the rls should be mostly done with me sometime Saturday, but if you had to make an educated guess, when would you say the feeling of "total lack of energy" will go away? How long before i can fall asleep without my legs running wild? I know you arent a doctor, but you seem to be the most experienced of everyone. And Chez, you as well. Thanks so much you guys!!!!

[emmy22]

Hey Thomas and Chez,
sorry but i have one more question...will flexeril only prolong my withdrawals? I mean, you know how if i took a vicodin right now with being almost two full days clean, it might send me into withdrawals again, or prolong them, but will flexeril do that? I have four, so I was thinking that if i tough it out during the days, then i will have the next four nights to take a flexeril and hopefully sleep a little. THanks Guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chezz2]

Emmy,

Definetely save the flexeril for at night. If you can, also take tylenol Pm, or the active ingredient Diphenhydramine to help you sleep. Without the tylenol will help. So sominex would be a good alternative since you have probably already have had your share of it.
The flexeril will not do anything except help control the rls and help you sleep. It will in no way impede your withdrawal time or extend it.
On the issue of energy. In my personal experience, the sooner I got off my ass and started at LEAST walking everyday, once, then twice, then 3x a day, the sooner I felt normal and back on track. I KNOW IT TAKES ALL YOU HAVE GOT TO DO IT THAT FIRST TIME. And even after that. It is hard to even get up to take a shower sometimes, I have been there. Although the sooner you do these things, the sooner you "jump start" your system into producing the things it needs to recouperate.
This is just in my experience. Everyones is different.
I hope the best, it will be over soon. Don't dwell too much. Look at all the positive things in your life that you have. As well as the positive decision you have made.
Life is full of ups and downs, right now your goal is to just level off.
Chezz

[Thomas03]

Let's see, Emmy, I predict that your RLS will be over on Sunday at 1:11 PM PST ... LOL I understand you can't wait for the withdrawal to end, but I can't predict the time and date. Only Batman can, and he's not here right now.

If you're serious about kicking the Vics, don't even think about taking any now. They will just throw you back into your drug-using mindset and create powerful cravings to use more, which you will.

After 4 days of no Vics, you can start taking the L-Tyrosine if you want. (See the thread The Thomas Recipe for instructions). The L-Tyrosine will give you a boost of mental/emotional and physical energy to help you overcome the post-WD malaise. Many people use the L-Tyro boost to help them get into some light aerobic exercise such as fast walking, bicycling, swimming, etc. That is the best way to break out of the doldrums.

Thomas

[pammy0690]

COngrats you are doing great!  You already much further than many of us here make it.  I hope you feel better very soon.  You should consider yourself lucky that is was vikes and not oxys and 4-6 not 10-30.  Sometimes we have to be thankful for something so if you are having trouble finding anything maybe that could be one.  Stay strong!  Pamela

[skipper]

Emmy:
RLS does really suck, especially if your sleeping with someone else!
My pain doc claims the the treatments of choice, especially when o-
piate w/d is involved is a neural muscle relaxer called Baclofen, or
the benzo called Klonopin. actually a combination of both will pro-
vide effective relief.

be careful...benzo's are addictive and baclofen is real unprdictable
when mixxed with alcohol

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[MrsRat]

Hi Emmy. Another thing that helps RLS is eating bananas.  When I did a taper months ago of my painkillers to try to get some of my tolerance back, I got RLS pretty bad.  If I ate a couple of bananas a day (one daytime and one before bed) I found that my legs stopped the shaking and twitching.

Once I have the surgery I need in the coming month or so, I will be tapering totally off the Oxy and Vic ES that I am now taking.  My daughter and hubby are probably already planning on daily trips to the store for banana runs for me. LOL.  With the other meds I take for my Crohn's Disease and Fibro, I don't like adding more meds into the mix, unless there is no other choice.  The bananas are the best thing I've found, not to mention they sure taste a lot better than another bitter pill! :)

Hope you are feeling good again real soon.  As Thomas has already told you, it's the first few days that are the worst.  After that each one will get a little better for you.

Please feel free to email me if you ever wanna talk more.  My address is: ***@****

[Sugarbeens]

Hi there friend!  How have you been?  And your wife?  And the job search, since loosing the job at the college?  I come on and post once in a while and remember I am Butterbean, but,just wanted to check on you and IrishRose.  You were a big help to me, just as Thomas and others have been. I still take my meds, I take almost as I should,but, I still wish I could stop them. When I do I hurt so bad, and basically can hardly function.  I have a job that many people need me and since I am the boss, I have to keep going like the "Energizer BunnY".  I am hoping someone special will come in my life soon, but, for some reason, taking these meds makes me feel like I am hiding something and that I don't deserve a decent man.  Take care my friend .  How is your pain?  Don't you wish there was a miracle worker that could knock it right out of us.  I never used recreational drugs, just don't want this pain! And it does help me socially.  I am not the shy/introverted person that people years ago knew me as.  I am outgoing and get the job done!  Ha! But, these pills make me sick,just make me sick thinking I have to have one to get out of bed is sickening to me.  I feel awful about it.
Love to you, and wife and to all on forum.
Sugarbeens

[Chezz2]

Nice to see all you guys and gals back and posting again.
Seems like a reuinion of sorts.
I hope you all are doing good. From the sounds of it you all are.
I did make it up North. It is cold and Snowy. We just got about a foot or two this week. Should be the last snow of the winter (we hope).
I am also still on meds. Although I have also now employed, at a very fast paced tech job in DSL. It is fun and challenging. I am also learning a lot which is great. I also signed up for school, but had to back out at the last moment due to the job duties. I will be able to attend next semester since the intensive training is all done. I pretty much went through a systems admin course in about 2 weeks, with DSL included. So it wa fun, since you guys might know that is going to be my major.
My back is still a factor, although my job and doc are working around it since they know it is the best for me. Especially after my Mom died, and then my Uncle, not too soon after. I am making it, and taking my meds right 99% of the time now, which also is helping.

Anyway, like I said, nice to see you guys back and posting.

Chezz

[lisabet]

Hi Chezz - so glad to see you posting again, and glad to hear you're doing well after all the bad times you've had to go thru lately. I'm sorry to say I've relasped big time, after doing so well for so many months.  I can honestly say I don't know what triggered it, but gonna try to get back on track. I'm trying to not beat myself up over it, but I just feel so much like a loser right now.  Gonna try to start the Thomas recipe this weekend and get back on the right track. Love, Lisabet

[bsills]

I have experience at a detox clinic, and like anything else, it can have good and bad aspects.  LEt me know any specific questions.

[oxic]

You are really starting to **** me off!!!

If you have some information regarding dtoxing, share it!!! and be done with it.(Controversial or not)
Dangling the proverbial carrot in front of people with pretty desperate situations, is not only game playing, it is ******* cruel!!!
It sounds like you have some experience, so pass it on or stop adding posts to every thread claiming ****.

percs

[MethMan]

Don't let her get to you bud. She's just in here selling something.
Too bad she doesn't offer anything like Bullshit-be-gone.

[peaz]

What kind of freak show do we have HERE??  Lawdamassy, if you don't take the proverbial cake.....It's obvious you have no real knowledge to contribute, or you would have done so by now.   Wouldn't a long walk off a short pier be fun this time of year??

[Chezz2]

Percs,

The jokes on her. She doesn't have **** to share. That is the whole issue. Just attention getting is all.

She is just a TROLL.

Chezz

[MethMan]

Ok, I will ask.
Will you pick up your toys and go home now?  Apparently, no one wants to play with you.

[athena]

I have a feeling you took a wrong turn somewhere..The Mental Health forum is under M..I heard they were missing their mascott!

[Thomas03]

I have a question: Are you aware that each of these threads supports a limited number of posts, and that your pointless entries are just wasting space?

Thomas

[mrmichael67]

Ok, i'll bite.  How can I detox painlessly?

[bsills]

I have as much to share as you want to know.  Just ask.

[hairysoda]

FIRST -------------

i apologize to you for all the rude comments that have been directed to you in this thread and any other thread you are trying to participate in.
please tell me are you presently drug free and i so for how long.what was your drug of choice and how and in what part of this country did you do your detox? you stated that you feel maintaince is a waste do you have experiance with maintaince that you can back up your assumptions. im on maintnace with suboxone right now and it seems to be working for me now but i am seroiusly thinging about detox so i can be totally drug free. im interested and im sure all these other people who are rude are also so please share alittle with me   thank you

[oxic]

Hey You!!!
Don't beat yourself up more than you already have Lis!!! Its not worth it.
As i just said to Tobie, Sabian and Mystere(New Orleans Lady), pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and go at it again!!

I'd look at it this way......1 week or so back up to ~~ 12 vikes/day, in the last 3-4 months is still being at a dramatically reduced rate(your 4/day) for about 98% of that time!!!  In other words, you are still making some serious progress sweetie!!
I did notice you hadn't posted as much, and wondered.......but you need to know we don't judge here, and accept you using, tapering or clean; cause we are all human!!

Please keep on posting Lisabet M.D.

percs

[Sugarbeens]

HI Chezz, thanks for the welcome back. I am glad to see you posting again! You know, Chezz,and everyone, I want to be clean of these meds so bad, but, I don't know if I can stand the pain and the sad emotions I feel when I don't take them.  I truly have a bad back and never ever took anything illegal. My back problems started when I was 23, but I never took pain pills then, only maybe once every two years going to emergency room they would give me about 10.  I hated them then.  When my back hurt so bad I could barely function I would buy a bottle of wine and drink it.  I hated that, and I don't want to have to do that again.  I am doing better about taking as directed, but, I just hate the idea I have to depend on these pain pills.  My job requires me to work hard and I love it, but, I know I would be on disability if I did not have these pills I have for the last 10 years, since I was 40.  I am glad to hear about your job.  I know you can do it.  I know that if I could have something else to help my back I would do it.  I am going to try harder to take less than perscribed even, and exercise.  Of course exercise with heavy weights when I was younger is part of the problem, and falling, but, when I do aeorbics it does help me and I feel better.  Take care and love to all on the forum.  Please don't let what anyone says that is abusing drugs on this forum upset you.  They are just messed up and need help.  Some people just go about asking in harsher words, mainly because they are so disgusted and angry with themselves like we are,for allowing ourselves to abuse these pills.  
Love Sugarbeens

[Thomas03]

You know, we used to have a pair (or more) of posters on this forum -- one would offend everyone, then the other would show up to apologize to the first for our "rudeness." Incredibly, at least one of these "people" had used bup for a long time but was now on suboxone. It turned out that this was the work of one person with no other purpose than to manipulate suffering drug addicts and disrupt the forum itself.

Are you Groovygirl/Mariposa/minime?

Imposters just create problems on the forum, so, just to make sure, I'm going to have Med Help check your IP address as well as BSills'. Any objections to that?

Thomas

[MethMan]

Turn out the Liiiiiiiiiiiighhhttts,
The partys Ooooverrrrr....

[rodewc]

Yea, I have had experience w/ rehab. I will say it sucked and they ran addicts thru there like today they run students thru schools: ill prepared.

I would like to try rehab again w/ a different perspective but unfortunately I shot my wad for all the wrong reasons, as an ace up my sleeve.

Always on the take, an addict. I realize this is less than clear, but to answer the topic Q, I would say that Detox, esp., their counselors and doctors are less than sympathetic and more on the take as in.. "Is this Friday Payday?'

~~

[hairysoda]

YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE.

who do you think you are? the drug addict forum elite republican guard???? im not an empostor like you suggest it sounds like you have a acid adiction (addiction) cause you are halluciating. where do you come off to saying your going to check my address to see if im someone else. i;ll tell you what if and when you do after what are you going to do when you come out ollking like a fool, maybe an apoligize to me and everyone else. ha maybe? im trying to contribute some very valuable  personal experiances here and you are just stating to anoy me. im a new poster here and its people like you than make it hard.

[rodewc]

"YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE.

Who do you think you are? The drug addict forum elite Republican guard? I’m not an imposter like you suggest. It sounds like you have an acid addiction because you are hallucinating. Where do you come off to saying you're going to check my address to see if I’m someone else? I'll tell you what; if, and when you do, af you are going to come out looking like a fool, maybe. And, apologize to me and everyone else. Ha, maybe? I’m trying to contribute some very valuable personal experiences here, and you are just starting to annoy me. I’m a new poster here, and it's people like you that make it hard." (sic)


When one communicates in English, HairySoda, one finds it easier to follow. (if there's anything to follow)

As always, Rode WC~

[rodewc]

"YOU NEED TO GET A LIFE.

Who do you think you are? The drug addict forum elite Republican guard? I’m not an imposter like you suggest. It sounds like you have an acid addiction because you are hallucinating. Where do you come off to saying you're going to check my address to see if I’m someone else? I'll tell you what; if, and when you do, you are going to come out looking like a fool, maybe. And, apologize to me and everyone else. Ha, maybe? I’m trying to contribute some very valuable personal experiences here, and you are just starting to annoy me. I’m a new poster here, and it's people like you than make it hard." (sic)


When one communicates in English, HairySoda, one finds it easier to follow. (if there's anything to follow)

As always, Rode WC~

[dancinginthedark]

Gee, Thomas, didn't minime tell you to get a life and that yu wr meen????

This BSills is a pathetic excuse for a human being.  If I'd received the thrashing she has today I'd put my pill bttle back in my purse and go home.  What does she do?  Slip back into her Thomas bashing.  She even uses the same words as she used in her last incarnation!

I think we should ignore BSills.  Every time we respond we are giving this mentally diseased person exactly what "it" needs - attention.

Dancing

[Jerri2]

I thought I told you not to snort those patches!!Now look at what youve done!!Go wash that **** out of your hair and straighten up buddy!!! Jerri

[hairysoda]

whats wrong you can't understand my english or you just can't read????

[oxic]

This is so pathetic...................urghhhhhhhhhh
Talk about perserverance.

Mariposa HairySoda
Mariposa HairySoda


I will give you credit for never giving up, like a big festering sore.

Do me a favor and don't apologize for me to BS(yourself).

I wonder how many people have been neglected this time from getting the help they so desperately need, due to another "groovy" distraction.  I feel sorry for you.

[hairysoda]

im new to this thread but im begining to think that several names are the same person and im curious why and what does marioso mean perc or what ever the fu-- your name is

[Thomas03]

Actually, I never accused you of being anyone. I merely asked you a direct question. You're response tells me that you are in fact groovygirl/mariposa/minime/BSills/hairysoda et al.

The problem I have with you, Mariposa, is that you seem to be addicted not only to using drugs, but to using people. And not just any people. You use people in crisis, people who are frequently at the lowest point in their lives. I almost pity you because your lack of compassion for your fellow addicts undoubtedly says more about how you feel about yourself than any of us. I say almost because your method is deception, however transparent those efforts may be.

Mariposa, you're a callous, cynical, manipulative liar. And the good people that come to this forum for help, understanding and acceptance - my friends - deserve better.

I hate writing posts like this. How many more must there be?

Thomas

[hairysoda]

obviously you haven't read any of my writtings in the beginning of this post and the bup/xub post of which i started. if you would have read them you would see i am as addict and i have been contributing very good and valuable information on the use and effect of suboxone as i am presently on. im not sure what your problem is but you are totally wrong with your assumption about me. go ahead and go back and check it out and you will see. im no liar and i rally have no idea what you are thinking.
  have a nice day and good luck

[Thomas03]

good luck, indeed.

[bmac]

SHE'S  B A C K !

[JennC]

Hi guys, I know it's been awhile...basically i was stupid for the last time with this pharmacy thing. And I mean it this time. I don't know what will happen with this, legally, but I could be a Felon! (I guess I already am, right?) Anyway, I'll give you guys the full story later. I wanted to tell you that I am refering my mom to the site. She has finally realized that she needs and wants help. She's been on Vicodin for twelve years, about fifteen a day, and she's been tring to taper. I know that everyone has had their opinions about my mom, but she needs you guys, and I couldn't imagine a better place to send her than here. You guys are awesome. You'll probably hear from her soon.
Thanks!

[Thomas03]

I just want to know, is your mom going to be a felon too, or did she leave you holding the bag?

Thomas

[dancinginthedark]

Hey Jenn,

As far as Thomas' question, I second the motion.

Did you manage to distance yourself from her as we all discussed last time?

Jenn, I'm so sorry for you that it had to come to this before you got that proverbial wake up call.  

Don't you move into your own place this month?  I hope so.

Jenn, please be careful that you don't "take on" your mother's addiction problem.  You have your own to deal with & as you know, it's a truckload & then some.  She has to find her own way to and through recovery and you need to concentrate on *yourself*.  I'm not saying abandon Mom but you must keep her at arm's length.  You've got recovery & some legal problems to deal with so don't be her therapist...okay?  She was smart enough to manipulate both you & the system to get her drugs so she's smart enough to get the requisite help.  If you let her lean on you, she will & all combined will be a load too heavy for anyone to bear.  

No one is going to bite your mom's head off here but it might be best if she didn't mention who she is.  Not only will that prevent us from prejudging her but it will force her to stand on her own in this struggle which is what she *has* to do to deal with a long-term, abusive, opiate addiction.

Welcome back, Jenn.  I'm sorry for your troubles but maybe now...?

Best,

Dancing in the Dark

[sundara]

first of all i would like to say that all last week-end i did nothing but look for help to detox/withdrawl from vicodin, an 18 month habit. i read all the conversation on the forum. i also searched the web intensly for some kind of help. a 30 day detox was out of the question, i have two small children and my husband has to work, i guess if push came to shove we could have some how worked it out. in any event i found the help and it is working, it will be five days (horray) sunday morning!! i found a program called medical assisted detox, i was given medicin for the stomach cramps, valium for the hebbie gebbies, and a light form of sleeping pills (all in limited quanities). .. the trick is you must have a caregiver to stay with you for 4 days,and it is the CAREGIVER THAT ADMINISTERS THE MEDICINE - YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TOUCH THEM YOURSELF. therefore i only had to expose myself to one person, instead of the whole family, i actually had two caregivers (my bestfriend and my husband) so that they took two shifts. now on the seventh day (only two more for me) . . .i will be getting an implant placed just above my pubic area that is a opiate blocker, which means, if i use i will not feel the effects, i have been comfortable and not having any craving. so if anyone is interested the name of the program is PROJECT STRAGHT. i found it on the web or if you want to call for more info the number is 1-888-DETOX-911 or look on the web. Good Luck and Godspeed . . . . .



  

[sundara]

Hey everyone, i want you to know that this forum has really been helpful, although i am hoping someone will respond to me. My vicodinES/Perc addiction was definitly out of control. I have two small children and a business where i work out of my house (really helped be keep using.LOL) Hooray, Hooray, Hooray . . . i have gone though a medically assisted detox in Michigan (you'd have to look on the web).  I got lucky the clinic was only about an hour from my house.  Anyway, it was a painless detox.  Today is day 6 without any opiates!!!!!  I feel really good.  Yesterday, although, alittle sluggish felt more like myself than i have in 2 years. WOW!.... ok previous post give the outline of what they do, but they also do a two day detox, for those who are using to much (like heroin or meth, i'm guessing) to painlessly detox at the clinic with anesthesia ... somehow they clean your blood and you walk out clean. . .. staying clean is another story as we all know.  But, i am on day 6 . . . day 8 i go and drop a urine if clean of opiates . . . which i will be i will be getting an implant that with last for 7 weeks . ..it is an opiate blocker (kinda like antibuse for alcoholic. . .the difference is you dont get violently ill, you just cant get high on vicodin or any other opiates, including heroin. . . .i will try to end here saying that yesterday was the first day that i felt like my self. . . and today, this morning no narcotic hangover . i am actually out of bed before my kids, ages 6 and 11, they have had to prod me - how sick is that. and today i am up lunches are made, mom is happy .how cool is that.!!! . am hoping to make some friends here and am hoping for a reply . . .i would also like to know about this Thomas recipe. . .will it help with aftercare or just for healing the body? . . . .. all of you don't know how much you have already helped me.

[sundara]

whats up, there are no postings?????????