Can an Additionologist tell your spouse about your addiction?

[curious1998]

I went to this guy yesterday, he told me I had to tell my husband, I have a problem w/ Soma.  I told him I did not want my husband to know.  When I filled out my med. form I put my husbands work number, can he call him and tell him??  He wants to see me tomorrow (11-14) not going back to him, he was not very understanding.  I going to do try and do the tapering system.  Then go to my Doc. for something for depression.  Any thoughts?  Please tell me I have nothing to worry about...you guys are the greatest!

Thanks for any input :) hugs to you all.

curious

[Sundown]

No doctor can divulge medical information about you to any individual without your permission, except in medical emergencies where an individual's safety is seriously threatened or if compelled by a court order. While he may have said you should tell your husband, if you told him you did not wish that information revealed, no, he cannot call your husband at work and tell him.
Good luck with getting off the Soma and getting help for your depression.

Sundown

[Chezz2]

Curious,
Being the skeptic I have now become due to some f$#% up doctors. You might want to rethink the don't tell policy, unless due to patient safety. He could possibly call if you are driving to your appt.'s. Especially if kids are involved. If he really wanted to, I don't know if he could.
I know one thing though. Why in the heck would he want you to tell your spouse? Especially during the 1st visit. Sounds odd. Its your life and your addiction. They should have dealt with numerous cases were someone needed help and anonymity.

Just my thoughts. I doubt he will say anything. He would also have to have a lot of time and balls on his hand to call your hubby at work.
I have found though, anything is possible with some of these richteous fukin docs.  
Chezz

[curious1998]

Well you both have eased my fears, I didn't think he could do that. He was a real jerk to be honest, I have kicked Pot, Coke, and Vics, on my own.  I know I can do this, I was just trying to get a little help, so much for being honest about my addiction.  I kept on asking him about it, and he told me he's never seen anybody that was addicted to JUST Soma.  

Thanks guys, you taking the time to get back to me really touches my heart!

curious

[Chezz2]

Docs put there pants on the same way as laymans. So they can be a$$holes too.
Actually I have met a few that didn't have as much knowledge about a particular subject and will get defensive if you know too much. Kinda hurts their ego. They are use to having "helpless" patients.
You would think an addictionologist would be schooled on this stuff by now to know people can get addicted to anything. Regardless of whether they have seen it or not.
You learn something new everyday. Some docs don't accept that though and think they know it all.
Course of action - New doc.
Chezz

[Chezz2]

Good luck kickin the soma's.
You sound like you got it down though. If you have kicked all the others this should be easier. I hope.
I don't know much about Soma. I assume it is a muscle relaxer like flexiril, or in the family. Hopefully it is a taper and move on thing.
Good luck,
Chezz

[Tomasello_MD]

Unless you give them approval (or are a minor), the addictionologist has NO RIGHT to tell ANYONE about what is discussed in his/her office without your permission. Some addictionologists feel that telling the spouse or family members of a patient's potential addiction problem can help in terms of support. However, it is YOUR right, not the addictionologists ... to make the decision regarding who knows. In cases where you may potentially put others in harm (i.e. if you were a pilot with an addiction to cocaine, alcohol, etc) there are some rules the docs have to follow. As far as your question is concerned, however, I see "legal" reason for why your doctor would have to discuss your case with your spouse.

[Tomasello_MD]

Above should read "NO reason"
Also, yes Soma is a muscle relaxer ... similiar to flexeril.

[mrrstracy]

Hi guys!!! Sorry about not posting sooner but I had an emergency come up and had to go to Texas. Boy it sure is good to be back. Hey Longhauler, I like the new name. I've got alot of catching up to do. Guess I'll be reading the previous posts for a few hours. I hope everyone is doing well. I missed you all!!

Group Hug!!!!


Tracy

[Starraven]

This info I read on the internet.  Read closely if you have an addictive personality and intend of taking Soma.



"BehaveNet® Clinical Capsule™:

drug: carisoprodol/Soma


Clinical class: muscle relaxant
Active metabolite: meprobamate
Action: central nervous system depressant -Term meaning encompassas the brain and spinal cord.

Associated with (substance-related): disorders

BehaveNet® Clinical Capsule™:

DSM-IV: Substance-Related Disorders

This category of mental disorders encompasses the Substance Use Disorders (e.g. substance abuse) and the Substance-Induced disorders (e.g. intoxication).Substance Use Disorders
Abuse | Dependence Substance-Induced Disorders
Anxiety Disorder | Mood Disorder
Intoxication | Intoxication Delirium
Persisting Amnestic Disorder
Persisting Dementia
Persisting Perception Disorder
Psychotic Disorder
Sexual Dysfunction
Sleep Disorder
Withdrawal | Withdrawal Delirium American Psychiatric Association: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition. Washington, DC, American Psychiatric Association, 1994"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



"Carisoprodol (soma): abuse potential
and physician unawareness
by
Reeves RR, Carter OS, Pinkofsky HB, Struve FA, Bennett DM.
G.V. (Sonny) Montgomery VA Medical Center,
University of Mississippi School of Medicine,
Jackson 39216, USA.
J Addict Dis 1999; 18(2):51-6

ABSTRACT



C
arisoprodol is a noncontrolled skeletal muscle relaxant whose active metabolite is meprobamate, a Schedule IV controlled substance. Although several case reports have shown that carisoprodol has abuse potential, it continues to be widely prescribed. The usage patterns of 40 patients who had taken carisoprodol for three or more months (20 of whom had no history of substance abuse and 20 of whom carried a diagnosis of substance abuse or dependence) were reviewed and compared and a survey was conducted to assess physician awareness of the abuse potential of the drug. Findings showed that some patients using carisoprodol for over three months may abuse the medication, especially those individuals with a history of substance abuse. A significant percentage of the physician population is unaware of the potential of carisoprodol for abuse and of its metabolism to meprobamate, a controlled substance. Physicians should exercise caution when prescribing carisoprodol, especially if the patient has a history of substance abuse."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

FLexeril:
:
drug: 

cyclobenzaprine- Generic name


Clinical class muscle relaxant
Chemical class tricyclic
DEA schedule none
Routes of administration oral
Associated with (substance-related)     disorders: none
Availability prescription "

As you can see,  Soma has sustance related disorders..Flexeril does not document these types of disorders.

[taeme]

I'd be careful with flexeril too, it won't give you a high but it made me feel calmer and more relaxed.  I would take those if nothing else was around.  And I would much prefer to have flexeril then I would something like skelaxin.  I'm just saying it too could have abuse potential.  I took Soma once, it was before the days of "candy shopping", I don't remember anything about it.  Now if I had my hands on it, I would probably try it until it did have an addiction to it.  Cause I know there must be something good about it, thats why people are addicted to it.  Just sharing a little with you.  Now I have skelaxin at home and I have no desire to abuse this muscle relaxant.  So that may be another option to you.  TAEME

[vikequeen]

I am a long time druggie, I go back to the days of quaaludes and  reds which unless your my age you don't know about, I have been on every drug except pcp and acid. Soma can be very addictive, I had to stop taking them cause I had a seizure and you can die, when I first got introduced to them 2 would give me the best most relaxed feeling , I loved it but over the years it has taken more and more to get me the same feeling, I was taking like 3 then an hour later after feeling nothing take 3 more and then like an hour later I was so messed up could not walk , slurred speach and I had a seizure be careful Soma had a mind of its own it can get you high after 29 min or 2 hours but most oeople after 2 hours take more when they dont feel the affect, when withdrawling from 30 soma in a day and half I thought I was dying my mind played tricks on me and I was afarid to go to sleep for fear I would not wake up. Doctors don't believe there are addictive but most docs dont take the pills we do in the fashion we do. I learned a long time ago if one is good 2 is better and so forth and thats how I got addicted to painkillers just be careful soma is dangerous love and luck from Badd

[taeme]

Well my doc put me on vistaril for anxiety.  Hope it works. Its an antihistamine, so there shouldn't be any addictive qualities?  Has anyone tried these? Does it work?  Is it okay to take? I couldn't handle it anymore, I bombed my test today, just walked out couldn't do anything.  I'll see if I can't talk to my teacher any advice? I could tell her I had an anxiety attack that I had to get medicine for maybe she would allow me to take a make-up.  I felt like I was going to have a heart attack or try to pull my own skin off or something.  Couldn't sleep, sit, relax.  Let me know what you think. TAEME
PS How many new posts are allowed per day.

[taeme]

Where is everyone tonight?

[cheermom]

hey taeme...i just got home and saw your posts.  sorry to hear about your test.  the anxiety attack might work with your prof.  just explain that you had one, went to the doc and he gave you med for it.  hopefully you can make it up.  are you early in recovery?  i try to follow the posts but it can get confusing.  i posted answers about the hair falling out, etc.  hope you saw them.  hope youre having a better night.  i've seen postings with email so i'll put mine here, hope i dont get in trouble.  sometimes its good to talk to someone who has had similar experiences like with the adderal.  hope to hear from you soon.  ***@****

[cheermom]

i just got your post in the next thread.  looks like you were ahead of me on the mail thing!

[cheermom]

i hope i have the right person.  i was reading all of the posting about the problem at the pharmacy.  what ever happened with that?  were you able to pick up the rx with no problem or did you go back and get your script?  i'm not trying to be nosy i'm just curious as to how the story ended.

[lisabet]

Hi everybody - sorry to break the thread; but I really have a situation I really need to talk about. I've been tapering - alcohol and hydros, and have managed to go from 10 hydros and 3-4 shots of Jack Daniels a day, to 5 or 6 hydros to 1-or-2 shots of JD at least every other night.  I'm on the Thomas recipe and feel like it's helped me with my tapering. Problem is---I'm stuck now---I can't seem to cut down any further.  Please understand, I'm really trying.  Any advise would be appreciated so much.  Thanks, Lisabet

[puma]

I am not sure if it differs from state to state, but when I worked at the mental health clinic here and had to call court ordered addicts in for their intake appoinments, I not only could not tell anyone on the phone where I was calling from, but also could not say what the call was about unless that court ordered person signed a very specific confidentiality release form. And then the info could only be given to that person or persons listed on the release form.

That was why some patients were so hard to get hold of because a female calling someone elses husband and saying I can't tell you anything does not make for positive thoughts on the spouses part, IE jealosy.

Chatahan.......wildcat

[Sundown]

It sounds like you've done great weaning your way down. That's a big step. Maybe it's time to think about just stopping now. Yes, it will be uncomfortable, and yes it seems scary. But sooner or later, if YOU want to stop using, you will have to choose to stop. As scary as it seems, it is not as bad as the alternative. I was scared to stop, but while I never wish pain of withdrawl on anyone, it DOES end, and then you can start to heal. Sadly, as addicts, we're stuck going through some pain if we're to try to recover.
Only you will know when you're ready, but know that we are all here for you.
If there is any way I can help, let me know.

Sundown

[lisabet]

Thank you for your advise, and thanks for being there for me. Lisabet

[lisabet]

Hey buddy - how are you feeling?  In case you didn't see it earlier my e-mail address is ***@****.  Would love to talk to you about music, marketing, etc. Hope you're feeling well---think I'll go to bed---I've slipped tonight; took a few shots of JD---just want to get sleepy enough to go to sleep; would appreciate any suggestions.  Seems like I've always gotten tense at bedtime and dont want to sleep. (Although during the day, I can sack out anytime!)...smile  Maybe I'm afraid of the night; if I don't do the JD shots, I have such vivid, terrifing dreams.  I'm just a f****** mess.  But I'm trying - I really am....Lisabet

[Sugarbeens]

In most cases, no doctor or therapist can break the confidentiality between client/patient and therapist/doctor.  However, there are exceptions.  Two.  If you make comments or say that you may hurt yourself or someone else, then they can report this.  I don't know what Code of Ethics an Addition doctor has to go by, but, there are these instances that most have that are set to save your life, or others that a person may in some way say they are going to inflict harm to.  However, the doctor should have told you in the beginning what the confidentiality policy states.  Some do, others only if you ask.  When you seek help from someone else, make sure when you go in that you ask this question.  Also, I read a post later on about Soma, that says it can cause seizures and you could die.  An Additionlogist knows this, I guess, so he may be afraid that you are hurting yourself.  So be sure to ask up front what their policy is.  Good luck in your recovery.  You know, better than any doctor or anyone on the forum whether your husband would accept and support you if he knew.  If Soma withdrawal could hurt you, than you need someone you can trust nearby while you are detoxing as it sounds dangerous from this drug.  I am praying for you.  Love to all.

[puma]

(Lisabet),

Nice hearing from you, I saw your post, sorry I didn't post yesterday but I sacked out earlier than usual as I felt like Doggie doodoo. I'll email you this afternoon or tonight after Bible study. I saw you slipped a little, don't worry, it happens, we have alot to talk about. Thanks for sharing.

Chatahan........wildcat

P.S.- I hope you have a restful sleep, it is so important.

[puma]

Sugarbeans,

I know that is a hot topic too. If a person says he/she plans to kill themselves or someone else, than the confidentiality is broken. But if he/she says. I wish someone would die somehow, that is not a breech and cannot be reported. At least here.

There was one Psycho ---psychiatrist here that was so egotistical that when I dumped her for another therapist she actually lied to the police and said I threatened to kill her.
I was attending a voluntary New Beginngins meeting, group therapy for addicts and halfway into a film, I was yanked out by the cops and escorted down to hall to the in-patient unit. On her word alone!!!!!! I should have sued, but my new psychiatrist released me the next day and I just said forget it, I let the Lord take care of it. I was flabergasted at the power she had developed just at her word!! She even tried to put me on some antipsychotic **** named Olazapine which clearly says, do not give to people with seizure disorders! She was terminated shortly thereafter from that clinic however.

Luckily, they knew me well there from detoxing before, and asked if I wanted that and I refused it. They did not force it and said they did not think I needed it anyway. This Doc is still on my list, so to speak. Her power has been greatly diminished, and she will go down further with the new administration I hope. She even stopped my new Doc from allowing me to enter her clinic in which she subletted to her even though I never went there or made any threats. I think some of these so called docs are sicker than the patients they serve.

Earlier, When I had a seizure one time, I threatened to kill myself and that same Doc had the police come to my house and I tested them to see if they would kick the door in and they tried, but instead climbed through the window to take me into the in-patient unit. I had already agreed to go but this Doc was wierd.

Anyway, just some thoughts about my very early detoxing and so-called confidentiality.

Chatahan.......wildcat

[groovygirl]

He wasn't in the Boston area by any chance?

[curious1998]

No I'm from Ohio, I'm a little scared detoxing from this, but he did not seem concerned at all all with the seizure thing.  He just said, "Well if you had a heart attack, would you tell your husband"? blah blah blah, very uncaring.  Please pray for me, even though I don't know you guys, I feel so close to be able to share this deep dark secret with you.

L,

curious

[groovygirl]

Why haven't you dumped him and found someone else?  Anyone has got to be better than him...that would be first on my agenda.  Just because he doesn't seem concerned about seizures doesn't mean you shouldn't be.

[nurse12hr]

Ummmm, not trying to be cute or funny, or to disrupt the thread, but I can't seem to find a time that will allow me to post.  I have a question as the wife of someone who is teetering on the edge of abusing Ultram, and would abuse other drugs if he could get them.

How on earth do all of you get the vast numbers/kinds of pills you report taking?  For Gods sake, if I was dying my doctor would MAYBE give me 2 percocets.  My husband has a chronic condition which can be painful, and his doc gave him an open Rx for Ultram, stating it is not addictive.  I know from reading everyones posts that it certainly can be.  I even took one, and got a nice "floaty" feeling, except that for about 4 hours after that I was puking my guts up.  I guess I wouldn't be a good addict.

But my hubby loves them, marks on the calender the earliest date he can refill, refills them even when he doesn't need any, the result being we have hundreds of them in the house "just in case".  I guess in case his doc wises up and stops prescribing them...

I just can't believe that doctors would prescribe the quantities of drugs that people abuse.  Do you call a whole bunch of doctors, and get just a few from them all?   Is it that easy?  I want to be alert for the kinds of stories he might tell his doc to get different drugs.  Thank you for listening.

[curious1998]

Ok guys, I have 30 Soma put back, when I start my tapering, do you think I will be safe??  Thanks for everything!

L,

curious

[groovygirl]

Hey Christie - I think you can learn all you need to learn about the signs of an addict just by reading this forum.  What exactly is it you want to know?  Obviously it is "that easy" for many to find the drugs.  Then again those with real pain issues have to just about be on their deathbed to get the treatment they need.

Your husband is playing a dangerous game, and you are obviously on to him.  I think you can figure out what he's up to all by yourself.  If you have "hundreds" of pills in the house, I guess he will be all set for awhile.  I don't think anyone is going to tell you all the tricks they've used to score drugs

[puma]

Boy, do I feel in delirium today. I am drinking like a maniac and I now will take two Ultram to see if I can conjur a siezure. One other forum here reffered to ECT and seizures. My mind is in full (sheeka)I cannot remember the word, so I will take 2 utram and see if they really produce seizures.

wildcat

[puma]

I remembered the word right after my mini-sieze, I refuse to accept it as full seizure. The word is your brain is really pushing the amperage!!! I have to give credit to a girl I met at mental health in-patient, and she referred to that. It sounded so logical at the time. I do not believe in stealing someone elses sayings. I can hardly type so better go. I keep correcting.

TAKE CARE.

Chatahan.......wildcat

[groovygirl]

Hello - I was wondering - what does Chatahan....wildcat mean?

[suzieneedshelp]

So sorry to hear that you are drinking so much hon.  How r u really?  Concerned for you...P.S. I have had mucho vino the last 2 days too...
Peace to your world!
Suzie

[puma]

Suzie,

I just had one of those days, I felt like I was going to seize so I bought some Gin, my mistake again, back to day-1. YUK I did not take the Ultram however as I seized shortly after typing that. I guess I could feel it coming on. I thought the booze would stop it, but it did not. My addiction speaking to me!!!!

I was taking a lower grade of Klonopin from this pharmecutical company that calls it WATSON. It sucks, it seems only half strength and it makes me feel lethargic. The generics can be 30 percent filler, but I think this company cheats and it's more like 50 percent. I just got the real thing yesterday, but over the last week I think my Klonopin level dropped so the seizure was building all week, a little brain re-adjustment. EHH. Alcohol w/d's gives me seizures too usually days 4 and 5. So that also played a role and why I thought I could ward it off by drinking. (My demon was knocking and I was dumb enough to answer.) Thanks for asking, I am fine today, in a better mood and feel more energy. I had better run, I am starving, I just realized I have'nt eaten and my stomach is yelling at me.

Take care and God Bless.

Chatahan.......wildcat

[puma]

Mariposa,

(Chatahan) was a strong typhoon that made a direct eye passage over Guam on July 6, with 130 mph winds, followed five days later by typhoon (Halong).

I was waiting five years since the last one, Super-Typhoon Paka.

(wildcat) is the name I was using before but after losing my job I had no access to a computer until recently. When I tried to re-use wildcat it said already in use. I assume it is my old one but the passwords were all changed, so I picked the typhoon but always add my real nickname wildcat represents my love of nature and especially cats. It also is a good name for a Native American which I didn't know I had in me until I started speaking it fluently after many seizures. My momma didn't tell me everything, I guess!!!!!LOL

That's about it, take care.

Chatahan......wildcat

[mrmichael67]

You just out of nowhere started to speak it after a seizure?  Rod Serling could have made a feature film about that.

[puma]

Mr michael,

I don't look for attention from TV, in fact I rarely watch TV because of all the swearing and violence. Even the news is boring and all we hear is death this that the other, and war, war and more war. It gets tiring, not inspiring.

The Docs took no interest or concern about the language and said my seizures are near the speech and memory centers and therefore probably triggered the memory from my very young past, say 1-2 years of age. That's about it. Nothing exciting for a film I don't think. I also am not one of those let's conjur a good story to make money for TV. I would rather write songs and work with my gardening. I'll never get rich, but I am not a materialist and don't keep much furniture, no jewlery, a used truck, my computer is about the only extra thing I own. My house and land is normal for a person my age and I worked like a carabao to achieve it. Two jobs, seven days a week for 3 1/2 years.

I don't think my life is anything to write home about. It's pretty plain and simple, like I like it to be. I only hope to eventually have a year sobriety under my belt again.

I almost chose not to waste time answering since you think I want to kill people and am always drunk but I wanted to make clear my intentions are not to get rich. And no, I wasn't drunk last night or now for that matter.

Chatahan.........wildcat

[mrmichael67]

I never said you were drunk.  If you are going to reply to me, you should get your facts straight.  The reason I wrote the Rod Serling statement is because anyone who would read what you wrote about being able to talk indian after a seizure would think you are out of your mind.  And, the jury is still out on that.  Being able to do that is completely impossible.  Are you a little kid?  You have one hell of an imagination.

[puma]

Mr. Michael,

You better start reading up buddy instead of judging everyone except yourself of course.

I have Doc after Doc proof of what I said in many studies. I don't need your say so as belief or not. Who are you, (Dr, I know it all?) This has come over a four year period, it wasn't zappo, I speak fluent Indian. Get a life, kahkah, na'na.

Chatahan.........wildcat

[Chezz2]

You can't speak anything except

KAH KAH  NA NA

**** **** na na

So get real and stop trying to convince us you are some super power hero.

[puma]

Chezz2,

Little child, kahkah, na,na is not swearing. You just cannot stop can you. I'll let you get the last word. I am tired and very bored.

Chatahan.......wildcat

[bmac]

I just looked up Kah Kah Na Na and it means I'm an idiot I'm an idiot! LoL Just kiddin'Wild one,just alittle humor.

HANA HANA KAYAKUAY GHAN!!!!!!!!!My brother!! LMAO

[Chezz2]

lkdajfoipendskklcdmol;kasdjoifpewmnaflkscnuaiujefcmwek;jhfn ,mfnd

Now translate the Buddy!!!!!

I couldn't stop laughin', thanks Bmac!!! Needed a little.

Chezz

[puma]

Those last few words in are always the most humerous, I was almost rolling on the floor in laughter myself. Thank you.

Chatahan.....wildcat

[Ronsin]

I believe you. It's a fact that some people that have had near death experiences come out of it & can speak different languages that they never had knowledge of. Since the part of your brain that had the seizures is near your speach center, it seems possable.

[groovygirl]

Hi - I don't think Chatahan is here anymore.  He was taunted until he retaliated and then was booted from the forum.

Some people cannot believe things they cannot understand.  Some people can't believe in miracles.

All these Christians that can't wait until the second coming of Christ, probably would lock him up in the loony bin if he ever did show up.  

[MethMan]

God, forgive her.  For she knows not of what she speaks.
Amen.

[groovygirl]

I had an interesting discussion with my brother a couple days ago.  He had been born again, and is very happy with his new-found faith.  I am happy for him.  I asked him about the second coming thing, and we had a long discussion about the fact that if He did show up and claimed to be Christ, many people who probably just think he was crazy.

That being said, why does God have to forgive me for saying that? I was only pointing out that most people don't believe in miracles. Chatahan claimed he/she could speak Native American fluently after a seizure or something...everyone laughed at him and gave him ****.  My comment was along the same lines...seeing is believing in this society for the most part.  It's too bad...I like the thought that miracles can happen, and I believe it.

[groovygirl]

Amen.

[Sugarbeens]

Just thought I would tell you that from what I read, Chatahan is a lady not a male.  Hope all are doing well.  I hope she is OK. Chatahan please post and let us know you are OK.

[lisabet]

I don't think Chatahan can post - she told me in an e-mail that she was banned from the board.

[FiorinalJR]

Hi, I'm a bit late responding, but here you go:

No doctor can divulge your personal information to ANYBODY.  No exceptions!  Only if you give your permission and sign a form.

Also, if you want to tell your doc something, and you don't wnat it on your record, just tell the doc "I want to tell you something confidential, off the record" and then they cannot put it in your record.

OIf they break either of these two rules, they not only are breaking a code of ethics, they are breaking the law.  You can SUE THEM!  And, they could lose their licenses,

Good luck, and get well - but don't worry about disclosure.

JR

[Sugarbeens]

Is Chatahan OK?  Why is she banned?  Many people on here lately have been harsh and cruel at times, and I believe it is the addiction and trying to get clean that causes the harsh words.  What could she have done to get banned unless she was not who she said she was.  Just tell her that I asked about her and to take care of herself.  Love to all.  Butterbean

[MethMan]

Again, I choose not to get into a confrontation with you.  Rather than spending my time, your time and everyone else's time wading through rhetoric, I will focus on helping myself and others if I can.  Which (again) includes you.

There are those that live in chaos.  In it's absence, they feel compelled to create chaos for others in order to be in their comfort zone, don't you think?  Chaos is quite a tool when used by an expert to render bad feelings and contempt for others.  That is the wrong direction for me as I am going the other way.

If you ask a question that I feel I can help in some small way, I will.  Otherwise, please scratch my name from the "chaos buddy list".  Given the choice, I much prefer the game, "Candyland".

All the best,
Mike

[groovygirl]

Don't worry, you are not on any buddy list of mine, chaos or otherwise.

I don't think having a difference of opinion is chaotic or unhealthy, but I promise I will not address another post to you.

God Bless & Amen.

[lisabet]

In reference to your question on Chatahan---you may want to read some of the posts on the 12th thread down titled "Going to first AA Meeting....".  I think the reason she may have been banned cause she "threatened" someone with a machete...I've gotten a couple of e-mails from her and she sounds like she's going through a rough stretch. Haven't heard from her in a couple of days, though.  To tell you the truth, I miss her posts. I realize her behavior was a little erratic and unorthodox at times, but I truly don't think she meant any harm---just venting in my opinion. She needed help and compassion instead of being kicked off the board. I let her know I welcome her e-mails anytime. When I first came to the board, she was one of the first to jump in and answer my posts, and offer support.  So whatever anyone else thinks of her, so be it.  She's still OK in my book.  Sugarbeens - have a great weekend.  Take care, Lisabet

[lisabet]

Hi Sugarbeens - I had sent Chatahan an e-mail inquiring about how she was and told her you had asked about her, and I got an answer today. She said to thank you for your concern, and said to tell you she feels much better, thanks.  Evidently, she's been locked solid out of the forum; can't post and even can't get in here to read.  I don't really agree with this; in my view, it's censorship.  I do realize she was acting irratively, but hell, don't we all get kinda nuts and say abusive things,sometimes - especially during withdrawals?  There has been other posts, in my opinion, that has been much more abusive than Chatahans, but they're still here. I'm pretty much a "newbie", and have gotten lots of good advice (such as the Thomas recipe, and lots of encouragement), and maybe I don't have the right to complain - but like I said in a previous post "sometimes the people who seem the most abusive and unlovable" are the people who need other's encouragement and love the most...just my 2 cents. Even Mariposa - who frequently flames everybody, says she embraces the "crazies".  We shouldn't discard people for being "inpoliticly incorrect"...we are all in the same boat here, after all.  We're all addicts, but we still have feelings and have the right to be heard.  I appreciate everyone who has shown so much support and love; it's helped me more than anyone could ever know.  Peace/Love, Lisabet

[groovygirl]

I don't "frequently flame" anyone.  I had some problems with some members, but they seem to be resolved.  I am on a new path of peace...

And yes...I do embrace the crazies...I just like interesting people, and the ones that don't follow the leader sometimes get a lable slapped on them - like crazy.

[lisabet]

...and I embrace you, you spanish butterfly, you....smile   Love your posts!  Lisabet  :)