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first of all let me extend a welcome to this forum. there is always
room for one more person here. second of all let mexxpress my sor-
row and remorse at your sons death. of all the things that are spo-
ken of on this foeum, 2 are much over looked. 1) not erveryonr
afflicted with the disease of addiction will live through it. 2) of
those whom addiction doewsn't kill, not all will find recovery. I
know this is some tuff stuff to swallow even now, but none of us
makes the rules, we just live and die by them.
what it was your son felt can only be guessed at. my extensive use of this evil chemical (only thing worse is methamphetamine) would tend to agree with the description of WS buroughs in "Naked Lunch." he described it as a 'berserk pinball machine in the head." my last
thought after doing any cocaine ever was to get more coke!
again let me expresws my sorrow and regret at this tragicl loss
you have expierenced!
keep an angel on your shoulderkip
I love you all. -- Milo
to **** on the rug look-- it's great to hear your father is doing
so well. Post back some more and give us the rest of the story!
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip
As they say, it's a long story, but let me reassure you there's no immediate crisis or anything like that. My dad's illness and then the inhuman terrorist attacks have made me think about not just the value of life but the importance of actually *living* it while we have the chance. I haven't been doing that for several years now, partly due to physical illness (IBS), partly extreme anxiety, esp. social anxiety, and partly long- standing unresolved issues. In many ways things are looking up now. I'm actually getting satisfaction out of my work, I have energy to do things again, and I'm feeling a little more optimistic overall. I finally have a combination of (legitimate) meds that has helped my stomach and my mood tremendously. The "problem" meds are an escape, a weakness, an avoidance of emotional pain.
Cindi, last I heard you were in need of a new doctor and very worried. How has all that worked out? Well I hope, because you deserve good care and freedom from fear. Kip, how is your father doing? And are you still improving physically? I've thought about you both often, even though I haven't stayed in touch.
Cindi, I still have your e-mail & may indeed bend your ear sometime soon. Both of you feel free to write me whenever you want. I can't tell you how good it feels to know you care!
-- Milo
I think that everyone's experience with cocaine is different and it is impossible to know what your son went through. I have never experienced anything horrific while on cocaine but my sister (we used together) would sometimes go through wild outbursts like your son and the next day she wouldn't remember what happened. I used to think that was a blessing. I thought that something in her brain would shut down and allow her not to feel or know about what was going on. I have heard that God doesn't put you through anything you can't handle. I can tell you that I went throuh an experience where death was imminent and it was the most peaceful, loving, beautiful moment of my life.
Justme - I don't know if you have posted your problems or your reason to come here but you sound like you are really hurting. I want you to know that this is one place where you can come to be totally honest about your problems and noone will ever judge you. There is a lot of help and support here so I hope you feel comfortable enough to talk to us. I personally will do anything I possibly can to help you I am a pill addict who is in the last stages of recovery and I have been through hell so if you think I can help please please just ask - Jules
I would like very much to share what is going on with me when I feel comfortable. But I think that now I probably may not if the responses will be anything like yours. As to what you said, I didn't and don't feel a sense that you are willing to help me, I feel a sense that you are trying to, for lack of better words "set me straight", and I think it would be impossible for you to help me given the tone of your posts,(especially the part "you feel the need to jump down peoples throats for reasons unknown to us.") I don't feel strongly offended by you I just don't understand why you keep sending me these messages. I am new at this and if you didn't have anything supportive to say to me on my first post, you shouldn't have said anything to me at all.
One final note: I have already found help on this forum.
I was feeling sad tonight because my 16 year old son has a chronic illness, as well as a liver condition that is likely to eventually kill him. Your post reminded me of the many blessings in our lives, and I badly needed that reminder. I hope that I can, with time, help you in some way in return.
All I've had to deal with is the possible loss of my son. I know that cannot even begin to approach the intensity of what you're feeling now. So many losses; his companionship, your hopes and dreams for the man he would become, the family he did not live to build for himself. You will grieve for these losses for the rest of your life.
When I read your question, I wondered what motivated it. The obvious answer is that you want to know what he felt, but do you know why you want to? The most difficult part of my son's illness and all the things that go along with it is that he experiences pain and discomfort that I can neither share nor alleviate for him. I don't know if in some way you are trying to share your son's pain. The powerlessness of it must be overwhelming. I'm not sure that even if you could know exactly what he felt that it would ease your way at all.
As a nurse, I have been with many people as they made the passage from this life. The only thing I can tell you with certainty is that it's a different experience for everyone, regardless of the specific circumstances. I have also seen the devastation of addiction up close, both in my work and my personal life. There is no way of knowing what suffering your son may have endured if he had lived and not found recovery.
You didn't ask for advice, and I am reluctant to offer it. But I am worried for you. What I would say is this: think of the boy your son was, the joy you shared as he grew, the goodness in him that you could see from the time he was an infant. Know that those good things were still there in him, as hidden as they may have been by the drugs. Know that you did not cause his addiction, nor his death. Know that it is natural to at times feel angry at him. Let yourself feel the pain of your loss fully and accept that it will take a lot of time before you can resume anything close to a normal life. Find those people who will let you talk about him, and let you express your sadness as you need to, on your timetable. Always think of what he would want for you, and take care of yourself accordingly.
I know there is nothing that will really make this better, but talking does help. Please keep in touch.
I must commend you on your last post in regard to "justmee'. I think you have reached out far beyond to show your sincerity. Hopefully "justmee" will except. If not there will be many others who will be grateful for your help, insight and willingness to listen and share your experiences.
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justmee
You will find that people on this forum have a fascinating way of working together in a supportive harmonious way. They are nonjudgmental and very caring. I believe you will find this to be true. Keep in mind we are all suffering and working day to day to keep our heads above water. This forum and the people on it have been such a pillar of strength to me. I hope you can also find some peace here.
Shea
I must apologize for not posting sooner. I do send my deepest sympathy to you for the loss of your son. I can't imagine your grief losing a child. When I read your post my heart went out to you but I was at a loss for words. However, not at a loss for prayers and deepest sympathy. Although no one has the answers I truly believe he is at peace now. I am sure everyone on this forum has kept you in their prayers. And if you didn't receive as much replies as you expected it wasn't due to a lack of caring. We are addicts on this forum and sometimes it takes us awhile to catch our breath. I am speaking for myself but imagine others feel this way. May peace and comfort find you.
Shea
I am really not like that. I had detoxed down to two 5mg of vics per day since last Sunday and Thursday got a horrendous tooth ache, couldn't get an appointment to have a root canal and by Saturday I was popping 1 vic an hour and still in pain. I also have chronic back pain and saturday it was really bad. There is not enough time to go into the other devastating events of the past week. This is not an excuse, I just thought someone may be curious.
I feel totally embarrased about what I said and if anyone feels the need to say anything about what went on please don't think badly of me if I don't respond. I am listening and I hear you. I will continue to get help from reading the messages on this forum. But I don't think I will be comfortable sharing, so please don't take this the wrong way. I has nothing to do with you cindi, just me. Thank you to everyone here. You all are incredible.
I have used Coke and Crack during my lifetime (not my drug of choice by far), but all in all, i have experienced some of the drug's evils.
I've done too much to the point of thinking that my heart was going to come out of my chest at any moment. I know that awful feeling of wanting more, at any cost!!!! The high is very short, and you ALWAYS want more!!! One part of coke i hated was the 'coming down' part. It almost wasn't worth the 'high' for me, I hated it that much!!!!
During one of the occasions that i did crack, i remember just running around the house like a crazy person. I wanted more, and i wanted that same 'first hit' high again (which never happens by the way). I just wasn't satisfied, it was crazy!!!
I think, in a way, you might be looking for something that really doesn't exist. I don't know what pushed you son to do what he did, it almost sounds like he had other things he was dealing with in his life besides drug abuse. I think it may be the actual problem or problems he was trying to escape by getting high that finally got the best of him.
You have a good attitude, you understand that your son is at peace and in a better place. Living a life filled with drugs is a horrible way to live, especially a life filled with coke! May his soul live in everlasting peace, and i pray that you two will be together one day again!
Lv Jenny
I have suddenly rememberd what was said.
It seems that all the people with drug addictions, perhaps that we knew or even read about seemed to have an almost open and careing side that had been "awoken" by mis-use of drugs.
Once some time ago, I met a guy who was the biggest Coke dealer in our town, I dident meet him through drugs, I met him in a pub. Hell" I dident even know who he was at the time,
he wasent a nice guy, he stole, he cheated, he lied...and eventually he got arressted.
But neadless to say from what small dealing I had with him,
on the odd occassion we would meet up for a drink, or perhaps go for a smoke round his place, to me he was an okay guy,
he showed me respect he never tried to cheat me out of anything, and dare I say at times...I miss him !
This has no real relevence to this thread, and I am unsure why I posted this.
All I am really trying to say is that the drug itself is the curse, the person themselves are perhaps a lot deeper inside.
-Matt-
btw... Oct. 15th 2001 is by daughters birthday...
When you get to all the NEW POSTS click on post question .
The post that you enter this into is years old and not many will see this. Post a new one and you will get alot of insight today and throughout this weekend to his problem and what can be done to help him.
I dont Know why but it is drivng me insane to know how my son was feeling in the hour and moments befoe his death, I like you have to beleive that he is at peace now from this evil drug,i feel that i lost the battle .but i know that it is his gain, not having to be a slave to this drug any longer. my prayers are going up for you, may you find some peace with all this
Lag
was looking at the names of the people who posted in 2001...none familiar//looked like a tight group and i hope they r ok as well
i to have wandered how he felt in the hour and minutes before his death. but i do have some peace knowing that he dont have to battle this evil thing anymore.