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Coming off norco
I'm back Unfortunately. I've been taking 20-30 10/325 norcos a day. It's been this bad for a few months now. My family knows everything and is trying to be supportive but there not sure hat to do really. I have promised that on Monday I will quit completely. Easier said than done I know. I've tried many times to quit and obviously I don't make it that far; the cravings get the best of me every time. I've decided to go to an outpatient program that my insurance offers. I've also decided to go on suboxone I believe at this point it is the only thing that will truly get me off norco once and for all. I can taper off of those once I'm feeling better. Latky my depression has been really bad, so bad that I was admitted to the hospital last week. I really need to get off of these devil pills and reclaim my life once and for all.
I have also been addicted to Loraba/norco 10's for about 2 years now. I recently went to my Dr and he put me on Morphine for now. Getting off of these Norco's is really hard. I have been vomitting and had the shakes for 2 days now. I am assuming this is due to getting off of the Norco's.
Glad you told your family. Share with them as you can; print articles that may help them to read....but they will NEVER really understand like you do.
When I weaned for 20-30 hydro 10's to only 10 hydro's, I did seek help.
I hit a crisis point; the inpatient trmt I wanted to go to was full for 2 weeks; so I picked a psychiatrist authorized to Rx subutex/suboxone. I knew ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT SUBOXONE AT THE TIME. Because the ER at the hospital would not help me or give me anything after laying in w/d for 3 hrs., they dismissed me. I insisted on calling my PA gal from the hospital phone and she called around for me and helped me get help THEN! You know I don't know if being on the subs for 37 of my 65 clean days was any help or not? But many addicts have since told me that "it doesn't really matter how you get there, as long as you do b4 you kill yourself" When YOU ARE READY....ACT ON IT! (If we waited to be sure about everything...we would never do anything, ha!) Soooo, my hubby tells me to quit "trying to figure out if I did the right thing or not" since I hated the psy dr. and didn't like the way suboxone made me feel. I just quit taking the suboxone and never went back. He promotes a program specializing in subutex/suboxone recovery as a tool and it is called STOP (substance abuse outpatient program) I did go to aftercare until I quit seeing him. Seemed to me it was a huge racket to addict opiate addicts to suboxone but that doesn't mean you should not take suboxone if you know up front that's what you want to do and don't stay on it very long. If you can do it w/o, I would. I can't sort out now which of my symptoms are from long, long term high opiate use or do I still have some lingering suboxone coming out of my pain receptors??
Do some research......there's no ONE way to do it. Lots are successful on and lots poo poo it, and others speak from PERSONAL experience, strength and hope.
I agree with Kyle, get rid of your source. I had some left and we live on a dirt road, I begged hubby the 1st night off pills to take them out of the house and he threw them out his truck window one at a time into the tall brush. Maybe the skunks will be high? We're all here for you. And please know you will hear just about every opinion on here cause we're all different creations and our chemistries, backgrounds, etc. are all different.
Also, women vs. men, body frames, body weight, on and on. Welcome!
When I weaned for 20-30 hydro 10's to only 10 hydro's, I did seek help.
I hit a crisis point; the inpatient trmt I wanted to go to was full for 2 weeks; so I picked a psychiatrist authorized to Rx subutex/suboxone. I knew ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT SUBOXONE AT THE TIME. Because the ER at the hospital would not help me or give me anything after laying in w/d for 3 hrs., they dismissed me. I insisted on calling my PA gal from the hospital phone and she called around for me and helped me get help THEN! You know I don't know if being on the subs for 37 of my 65 clean days was any help or not? But many addicts have since told me that "it doesn't really matter how you get there, as long as you do b4 you kill yourself" When YOU ARE READY....ACT ON IT! (If we waited to be sure about everything...we would never do anything, ha!) Soooo, my hubby tells me to quit "trying to figure out if I did the right thing or not" since I hated the psy dr. and didn't like the way suboxone made me feel. I just quit taking the suboxone and never went back. He promotes a program specializing in subutex/suboxone recovery as a tool and it is called STOP (substance abuse outpatient program) I did go to aftercare until I quit seeing him. Seemed to me it was a huge racket to addict opiate addicts to suboxone but that doesn't mean you should not take suboxone if you know up front that's what you want to do and don't stay on it very long. If you can do it w/o, I would. I can't sort out now which of my symptoms are from long, long term high opiate use or do I still have some lingering suboxone coming out of my pain receptors??
Do some research......there's no ONE way to do it. Lots are successful on and lots poo poo it, and others speak from PERSONAL experience, strength and hope.
I agree with Kyle, get rid of your source. I had some left and we live on a dirt road, I begged hubby the 1st night off pills to take them out of the house and he threw them out his truck window one at a time into the tall brush. Maybe the skunks will be high? We're all here for you. And please know you will hear just about every opinion on here cause we're all different creations and our chemistries, backgrounds, etc. are all different.
Also, women vs. men, body frames, body weight, on and on. Welcome!
Hey, make sure you read the Sub FAQ (bottom right scroll down). I still haven't read of anyone using more 10/325's than I used to take daily, 20-30 was just two doses for me. I didn't taper or use another opiate to help me quit, I did take klonodine for two days until my BP dropped to 70/50 and had to come off (my BP is naturally low already). I guess I'm just trying to say that you don't have to feel like you can't do it without Sub based on your usage. I took double what you do for close to five years.
As I come up on one month clean, I think my one critical decision was to tell everyone everything. I was not exactly messing my life up in a way people would notice, so my admission was pretty shocking. It sounds like you're doing that same thing, which I find really encouraging! By admitting my problem it's almost like I took ownership of it for the first time. Maybe you doing the same will create a tipping point for you and get you over the hump once-and-for-all.
Make sure you read that FAQ, my take on it is that there is no easy way out and the risks of Sub outweighed the potential benefits, especially as someone who never went above HC as a DOC (even a large amount of HC). If you're unable to taper on HC (like me), then tapering Sub won't be any more appealing, and from what I've read, going CT on Sub is a lot harder due to length of WD (much, much longer than HC). Whichever path you choose, I'm pulling for you - and know that if this drug addict could do it, you can do it!
As I come up on one month clean, I think my one critical decision was to tell everyone everything. I was not exactly messing my life up in a way people would notice, so my admission was pretty shocking. It sounds like you're doing that same thing, which I find really encouraging! By admitting my problem it's almost like I took ownership of it for the first time. Maybe you doing the same will create a tipping point for you and get you over the hump once-and-for-all.
Make sure you read that FAQ, my take on it is that there is no easy way out and the risks of Sub outweighed the potential benefits, especially as someone who never went above HC as a DOC (even a large amount of HC). If you're unable to taper on HC (like me), then tapering Sub won't be any more appealing, and from what I've read, going CT on Sub is a lot harder due to length of WD (much, much longer than HC). Whichever path you choose, I'm pulling for you - and know that if this drug addict could do it, you can do it!
You have put two of the three things in place that are necessary if you want to stay clean...You have told your family; the secret is out so you can't relapse behind it. And, they will be a big part of your support system. Give them a little time; if none of them have ever had addiction problems then they can't understand your struggles. I told my wife and it took her a while - especially when I told her about stealing pills from friends and family; about having a couple of operations I didn't need just to keep the meds flowing. Anyway, I now tell her everything, i.e., if we're going to a friend's house who usually has meds I tell her to go in and ask them to hide them from me. Embarrassing but it works.
I'm assuming "going to a program tomorrow" means some sort of after care. That is a must. NA, AA, what ever.
But, you haven't mentioned the most important step - cutting all sources. If you have access to pills then the odds are you will relapse. Cancel all scripts; tell your doc, dentist, pharmacy that you're an addict and would like to be red flagged as such. I'm preaching to the choir when I tell you this, but your head never stops talking to you, the "just one won't hurt" crap. But no matter how tempted you feel, if you can't get meds you can't use. Cut your sources.
I'm assuming "going to a program tomorrow" means some sort of after care. That is a must. NA, AA, what ever.
But, you haven't mentioned the most important step - cutting all sources. If you have access to pills then the odds are you will relapse. Cancel all scripts; tell your doc, dentist, pharmacy that you're an addict and would like to be red flagged as such. I'm preaching to the choir when I tell you this, but your head never stops talking to you, the "just one won't hurt" crap. But no matter how tempted you feel, if you can't get meds you can't use. Cut your sources.
I have told my family everything and now there looking at me totally different but I guess I deserve that. I'm going to a program tomorrow morning and I just took the last pills I had so I'm hoping that tomorrow I will be able to start the subs
Hey girl....you are singing my 65 day ago song! I had was up to 20-30 hydrocodone (norco, lortab) per day. I'm clean 65 days today and 37 off the subutex/suboxone. I did start weaning down myself while abusing my anti-depressant and another nerve damage pill every hr on the hr. It made me nuts in the head!! By the time I was down to 10/day, I got help.
My only comment about the sub is if you don't like how you feel, wean down off it and get off it, too. I went to an outpatient program and could see from there that a lot of those other opiate addicts were now hooked on the subs. I didn't get off the dern opiates to get hooked on the "harm control" meds! Ya know what I mean?
I was sure if I didn't get down to at least 10/day which is still a ridiculous number to a non-addict I would kill myself. I was depressed, suicidal, all kinds of drug-induced thinking. There is no EASY way, babe. There are wise ways for each of us. I know you can do it, cause I am clean 65 days.
I was sure I couldn't do it alone......but you don't have to.
Write me anytime you want. I'm still not sleeping much and on the board a lot.
P.S. I got on the computer and e-mailed my extended family about starting my weaning process. Because I said it outloud (included in that email were two of my nosiest family members, ha) then I was exposed and felt committed to do it.
My only comment about the sub is if you don't like how you feel, wean down off it and get off it, too. I went to an outpatient program and could see from there that a lot of those other opiate addicts were now hooked on the subs. I didn't get off the dern opiates to get hooked on the "harm control" meds! Ya know what I mean?
I was sure if I didn't get down to at least 10/day which is still a ridiculous number to a non-addict I would kill myself. I was depressed, suicidal, all kinds of drug-induced thinking. There is no EASY way, babe. There are wise ways for each of us. I know you can do it, cause I am clean 65 days.
I was sure I couldn't do it alone......but you don't have to.
Write me anytime you want. I'm still not sleeping much and on the board a lot.
P.S. I got on the computer and e-mailed my extended family about starting my weaning process. Because I said it outloud (included in that email were two of my nosiest family members, ha) then I was exposed and felt committed to do it.
Your putting off the inevitable, you have to make a decision now to do something about this. Taking that many a day you could OD before monday. You need professional help. Ask your family doctor for help on monday. I was put on a taper program by my doctor and its day 40 and down to 3 norcos a day from 8. Tapering allows the drug to slow get out of your body. I can truly say that i am at a point where quiting is not that scarey. When i go 6 hours without a pill, my withdrawals are really minmual. The slow the taper the better but with tapering you must make some small effort in the first 2 days. Its the feeling of withdrawal that is bothering you and with tapering you get used to, and know what to expect with the symptoms. I see that your really afraid of the symptoms and are taking again because your in fear. Dont be afraid, once day 1 passes you will realize that you can make it ok but ask your doctor about tapering. The say that switching over to the subox is even worth. Its not a problem with our mind its that your body is craving the norcos and if you can get your body to a lower dose its much easier. Just dont panic.
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