Constant sweating

[cindi]

My husband had been taking Talwin NX for about a month for alot of lumbar and cervical disc problems. He apparently developed a tolerance to the Talwin so his Dr. put him on 10 mgs of Oxycontin which of course is not much of anything at all..He upped the dose of oxy to 20 to 40 mgs. 2-3 times a day, he had only been on them for a short period of time maybe a week or so.  Now, since his script is gone he is constantly sweating, No other symptoms, just the sweating,  He did notice this while he was on the Talwin but not to this degree, just wondering if it is caused from coming off the oxys.  Actually, the oxy's did not help his pain mcuh and when he informed his doc he turned around and put him on Ultram and Anaprox...duh.. HELLO!! does this make sense? from oxy's to ultram?  I don't know much about oxy's at all re: side effect etc.  Chad,  you had some major problems with oxy...any info would be appreciated    thanks  love to all cindi

[PS >>>>Annie]

I like reading your post.....I can't explain it.  Very "from the heart."  Hey....Why don't you get some L-tyrosine and b6.  My husband and I are taking it. ..and he loves my computer now! lmao   He thinks I am learning something (sitting here in front of it) afterall.

Love,
Annie

[Hope]

You have all spoken to my terrified and desperate soul tonight.  Sitting hear crying, wondering if and when I will ever be able to stop 'chasing this dragon'. Ahhhh....the beautiful, deceiving poppy. You all speak so eloquently and truthfully.  I can relate to each of your stories in so many ways.  I do believe that God forgives.  I don't think I can ever forgive myself. So much shame that has corroded away my soul, my will, my HOPE. When I can't escape with the pills or when it looks like I may run out of pills or eventually, of course, run out of money for them, I fantasize about other ways to escape.  I sometimes think I would rather die than to have my parents and siblings and co-workers find out I'm a junkie. They all think that I've been sober for over a year.  Oh yeah, I found a great way to stay off alcohol.  Haven't had a drink in over a year.  The 15-20 Norco a day has helped me tremendously to stay off the alcohol!  Oh how very proud they all are of me.  And you can imagine just how very, very proud of myself I must be. Ha.  Shame.  Can't yet bring myself to confide in one soul in my life.  Except for you all who are the only people I've told.  Weird, huh.  Talk about anonymity!  You see, it is so very, very important that I keep this confidential.......for now anyway. I explained in an earlier post somewhere the reason I choose not to go to AA/NA. I'm so not ready to once again disappoint the people who love me.  Would be too much.  You all have been a Godsend and I thank you for being real live human beings who care enough about their fellow sufferers to offer your support and experiences.  God bless you all.

[cindi]

What a beautiful post.  I will just leave it be...Nothing to add, just thank you for your honesty,...Here we can all be honest...real, compssionate and yes eve  addicts struggling in the bowels of addiction...hurting beyond belief but most of the people on this forum unlike any other are a unique blend of individuals and they offer every ounce of whatever they have to offer.......Happy Easter my friend      cindi

[Jay-Jay]

I have spent half of my day (which is hard with 2 children) reading all of your posts... I just want to say thank you all for being so honest and forthright about everything... I feel as if I have learned so much about my behaviors with addictions... I have recieved much insight that I may have never gotten elsewhere else... This is almost like going to AA meetings I suspect.. Some of you have gone deep and I really apprieciate that because in my life and the people I know can't really go there and that is what my sole longs for... (the truth) Get tired of putting on these masks all of the time pretending to be happy when in truth I would rather talk about the depth of my sole rather than the artifical quirks of today.. wish we could do this more often.. I am not a heavy drug user but I do have problems with nicotine (which makes me sick at times) and I do drink heavily (or to excess, beer) when I am in social situations due to lack of esteem?  Or could it be that it is easier to have the mask when drinking, making happy with all you need to please... ??? Dunno... Anyhow folks just wanted to start unveling my mask and give you some debths and truths about me.. Happy Easter All... Remember, HE HAS RISEN!!  Sins are forgiven.. fill youself up with that truth...!!!  This is a deep truth to ponder....  Take care, your friend in recovery...

^j^  ^j^

[Thomas]

patrickflannery is an Irish author of some note.


I borrowed his name to create "***@****" so I can converse in privacy.

Thomas

[cindi]

I tried to get on last night but the site would not let me type anything, something with the cursor....What I have to tell you will be long, I don't want to take up the space on the forum so either e-mail me at ***@**** or send me your e-mail and i can get with you there.....I mean it is not terrible long and boring but it will take up some space and I tend to stray    but I DO NEED TO TALK AND SHARE WITH YOU....Please hon, you are young, you cannot make the same mistakes I did, it is not worth it, please, if you have never listend to anyone before take everyhing i say to you to heart and run with it....it will save you......love cindi

[cindi]

Hi Neenie,  Your questions hon are not too intrusinve, I have a very painful history which led to my decision to leave nursing,  I now am a toddler teacher at a preschool....and I have a 3 year old and a 7 year old.....I hate to do this to you but....i have to go and do some shopping for Easter but I jumped on to see if you got my last message,  when I get home I promise I will either send you a post or if you would rather I could e-mail you....then i will share everything with you....i just didn't want youto think I was just not responding to you....ok  talk to ya soon     cindi

[neenie]

sorry you are not feeling good. hope my questions were not too intrusive. the last thing i want to do is sound oo inquisitive. i have just always been so interested in people's life, their pains struggles and where they are coming from. i am in the wrong profession. i have always wanted to do  journalism- the next barbara walters or something. i just wanted to know what happened so that i would not make the same mistake. i know you are more exp. and educated than i am on certain things. and it broke my heart to hear you gave up such a great profession voluntarily. well, anyway, nsg. is not what it used to be anymore. i am sure you had better times as a nurse than i will have ahead. i already hate it. the money is good and that is about it. i hate doing bedside nsg. but i have a home, kids to support and need to supplement my husband's income. , although we lived good while i was not working for a while. and it was my choice to go back to work. i wouild really like to talk to you some other time. tell me something: how come when i want to read a post and it is at the bottom, meaning the last post i have to scroll all the way down? is there an easier way to do this? i am new at this. not too good on the pc so i need to learn. i only sign on to read this forum and a few others about parents w/toddlers and to check my mail. i am wasting a lot of resources and info by not exploring the computer. i just found out that the pharmacy approved another supply of oxy that belong to my uncle but he always gives it to me and here i was saying i am giving it up to try the ltyrosinethat everyone keeps talking about. i want to try it for withdrawals, but i hate thinking about WD cause it is so easy for me to obtain so much of any kind of pill i want. the only thing i can do is come out of nsg. like someone suggested, take a huge paycut and just live with it. and i can't do it. so instead of going to the healthfood store as advised, i will pick up those god forsaken, paralyzing, pills, love,neene

[cindi]

Hi Neenie, I am too tired and not feeling really good right now to answer your questions but tomorrow I promise I will get with you and help you out....take care   cindi

[neenie]

that last post was meant for you but i got confused b/c you gave me your email as patrickflannery but your name is thomas ???????? sorry. are you the same person? anyway gotta go. neenie

[neenie]

that site was for AA not NA and i have never touched an alcoholic drink in my life. i wish it were the same with pills. thanks ever so much for giving me your email address. everyone here is so nice. it is so comforting to know that i have you guys.for the longest time i was just reading posts and i never thought i would write one but i had to let you guys know that we're all pretty much in the same place. people think that being an addict is like only for scums it is so surprising how manyeducated, successful, professional people are burdened in their daily life with this. there are doctors, lawyers hooked on so much stuff and they function better with it, like me. my family, my husband doesn't have yhe slightest clue. i go to the pharmacy by myself and usually i go everywhere with my husband. we hang out together a lot so he wonders where i go when i have to get the meds, but i cannot let him know. he is the sweetest person and i don't want him to know. he would worry about me with the kids when he is at work.any way i almost told him the other day, but he would never dream about the severity of this and everytime i try to stop, i end up just getting my hands on more. and i don't mean 10 or 20 or even 50. i mean a lot more, and it is that high i crave. gotta go talk to you soon, neenie

[neenie]

cindi, just read about barry manilow. i am 26 years old and i went to see him about 4 years ago. none of my friends wanted to go with me even though i offered to pay and even treat them to dinner . finally my best friend went w/me. i think i was the youngest person there. love him bigtime. every one of his songs are beautiful, nostalgic. patrick, i am so afraid to go to AA/NA meetings b/c of my profession, job, am paronoid of the least little thing or anyone knowing/losing my license. but i know i am sinking deeper  and deeper     into this trap. even worse than it was a month ago. i started on tyl#3 . two of those little pills got me sooooo high three years ago. just two. now i can  take 5/ 40mg. of oxy at once and an hour later take 3 more and just continue to chase that feeling.let's not even talk about the hassle that we go thru getting them at the pharmacy. the panic when you give the script to the clerk, wondering if they will call the dr, the way they look at you at the pharmacy, wondering if they will recognize that you've been there before for the same meds... i would love to go to meetings, have a sponsor,kick this way of life that seems so nice at the moment. but when i run out it is hell and then i try every possible avenue i could to get more.i want to try the L-Tyrosine. knowing me, i will probably go right back to where i started. i have 3 small kids . this gets me through the day. pllllllease give me any kind of insight to this guys..anyone love,neenie

[neenie]

hi cindi, whatdo you do now for a living? how did you get arrested? were you taking from work? or are you still a nurse? you seem so sweet. i would love to talk. i would even give you my ph no. but where do you live? i would not mind calling you even if it is long dist. i really need someone to talk to . i am at the begionning of my nursing career and i hate it already. love, neenie

[cindi]

LOL  you are too cute about Barry Manilow,  You are considerably younger than I am,  but you still like barry   that is too funny,  I always get teased about him but there is not a song of his i don't like.....Ok,  about your profession,  I am a Nurse who was terrified of losing my license..I have to get to work,  I left my profession voluntarily after being arrested  etc.....so i don't have time to get into much about that right now but if you e-mail me I would love to help you through this.  I am @ ***@****'m sure Patrick can help you and so can alot of people, but I'll answer your e-mail later after work   :)    love cindi

[Thomas]

Here's an insight, as requested. AA and NA include the word anonymous in their names for a reason.

www.soberspace.com

This site will give you AA meetings organized by state. You can find the specific state or county's web directory and find even more meetings. Believe me, neenie, you can easily find a meeting or combination of different meetings and remain absolutely anonymous. Remember, suppose you "ran into" someone you knew in your profession. Well, what do you suppose they're there for? They're just as anxious for you to keep their secret as you are for them to keep yours. It's really the least of your problems.

Where I think your anonymity is in jeopardy is when you enter treatment at an insurance financed rehab. Even then, I've heard of laws to protect patient's identities in such situations. I suppose it matters what state you're in.

peace, and good luck to you. write me anytime you want to talk.

You can write me off the forum at ***@****

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Ok, you convinced me. I am going out right now to get it. I will let you know what happends......Chad

[spook]

No problem taking 4000mg "4 tablets"(1000mg-tablets),Only do it about once a week,never everyday,merely because it will not work then,ie not dangerous to do so.(remember get some B6 vitamin pills to take with it and lots of water).
NA does not want you drinking because it will weeken your will power and then of course you may go out and buy some Oxy`s.
From what you have said you DO want to stop so I have more faith in you.Most people who have become recidivists and been trying to stop many years(variable)secretly do not want to stop,they are stopping because,they have lost everthing and cannot get High anymore either.They are absolutely lost in their addiction,its too soon for you to have developed that major rigid personality/behaviour pattern change associated with very long term use.
But do not push your luck,it would be good to see someone have a runin with Opioids and then give them the boot,DO IT!!!!!
Look at how it is only going to get harder if you relapse.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Maybe your not such a bad guy after all! Do you recomend taking two or three 1000mg tabs every two days? Any inro will be appreciated. I was wondering about what you said concerning drinking. Are you saying that I can enjoy a beer every now and then? Because NA has me believing that drinking is the worst thing I can do. Thanks, Chad

[spook]

This is what I was afraid of,once the initial euphoria and spiritual rebirth settles after coming of Opioids(Oxycodone)around about 10-20 after last of Physical withdrawals have subsided,one inevitably finds themselves becoming empty/depressed,my recommendation is take 5 grams on empty stomach with some B6.
It is hard to get through this patch,I do not see anything wrong with having a "few! drinks in the evening(alcohol),but keep your resolve to stop Opioids,it gets harder everytime one slips back,you have a good chance of succeeding.
Most important take each moment as it comes and exercise like crazy,and remember you will not be back to good old CHAD FROM PHILLY!!! for around 6 months.Do not get impatient.When your endorphins and other neurosystems are back on-line every atom in the universe will be in just the right place again.

[spook]

If your stomach is empty at bed time,think how much more empty it will be 8 hours later in the morning?.(gosh!)
If you want an amino acid for beddy byes try Trytophan,it will help you sleep,or a glass of hot milk,as it contains a lot of protein that is made up of Tryptophan.
heating it will help to pre-hydrolyse the polypeptides(protein)namely casein into free Tryptophan.
If you are thinking like 8 tablets seems a lot thats because,they do not know what thet are doing,if the bottle says take 1 or 2 then it is confirmed that they know not what they do.
You could take 10 grams and be fine.
heres the B6 take: "Pyridoxin(B6)serves as a coenzyme in the decarboxylation of tyrosine".
Would I lead you down the wrong path Brighty?.
Their is only one true light,sometimes the blind lead the blind.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Well I went out and bought the stuff. They only had 1000mg capsules. I took two of them on an empty stomach. I waited an hour and then took another one. I haven't really felt anything much. I do feel more "alert". Deb took them and says she feel good. I am not really angry today. Maybe they did work for me in that way. What should I expect to feel. Shoud I not take any tommorow? Let me know because I definitly need something...

[spook]

The dose I mention of 4 grams,was from information in a research paper,within a book on Neuropsychopharmacology,the book is 1726 pages long and was written in 1972.They said the large dose was essential to get the brain to preferentially uptake the L-Tyrosine and convert it to Dopamine and that an empty stomach was essential.They where using it to experiment on Depressed Schizophrenics,as Dopamine Augmenters tend to exacerbate the Psychosis but fix the depression.I knew that Antipsychotics block dopamine transmission in the Mesenchephalon(contains the Dopaminergic-VTA),so if the regime exacerbated their schizophrenia it was hitting the right spot.
It was through similar research that I learnt of the Dopamine depletion caused by Opioids,esp in the VTA and Striatum,I knew these ares are responsible for drive and reward,as well as the termination,initiation and maintenaince of Mood,Mentation and Movement.
So I tried it out and it was very nice,in fact I got a little High from it.Its overall effect is to increase the ability to feel pleasure and not produce pleasure directly(like Amphetamines do),so it is just recharging the presynaptic vesicles of their store of Dopamine,whereas Opioids and Amphetamines cause release and block reuptake of Dopamine.
Side effects include increased production of Melanin,so if you go out in the sun be carefull,you will tan very quickly.
I have never looked it up on the web,so it is interesting to know others have become aware of this excellent natural nutrient.

[Thomas02]

alright CHAD! Remember the special directions on how, when and how much to take. (2000 mg, first thing in the morning, no breakfast for an hour, suggest no coffee (when it hits, you'll know why), take a multivitamin with some b6 in it to help it work, according to spook, you can take twice the dosage I just stated, but I know I didn't need that much. Good luck to you CHAD! After everything you've been through and all the effort you've put into getting off the oxy, you deserve to have this stuff work. Believe me, there's no reason to think it won't.

I suggest you either print out the diretions in the post above yours, or go to this web site

http://xenopharmacophilia.com/ee/tyrosine.htm

and print out the instructions you find there.

[Thomas02]

well, it looks like spook has expertly answered your questions about the L-Tyrosine. I suspected it might take a sustained regimen of the substance over time to "bring someone back." I intend to take the stuff more days each week than not, along with the B6 and as much exercise as I can manage. You might have noted, CHAD, that spook is recommending twice the morning dose that I was talking about. You were on the oxy for a long time. Perhaps following his advice and taking the full 4000 mg dose will have a more dramatic effect.