Constant sweating

[cindi]

My husband had been taking Talwin NX for about a month for alot of lumbar and cervical disc problems. He apparently developed a tolerance to the Talwin so his Dr. put him on 10 mgs of Oxycontin which of course is not much of anything at all..He upped the dose of oxy to 20 to 40 mgs. 2-3 times a day, he had only been on them for a short period of time maybe a week or so.  Now, since his script is gone he is constantly sweating, No other symptoms, just the sweating,  He did notice this while he was on the Talwin but not to this degree, just wondering if it is caused from coming off the oxys.  Actually, the oxy's did not help his pain mcuh and when he informed his doc he turned around and put him on Ultram and Anaprox...duh.. HELLO!! does this make sense? from oxy's to ultram?  I don't know much about oxy's at all re: side effect etc.  Chad,  you had some major problems with oxy...any info would be appreciated    thanks  love to all cindi

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Yes, I was on oxycontin 40mg twice a day. As far as pain relief goes...the stuff works great! Problem is I didn't really have all that much pain. I really don't know what to say about the oxy's. I can tell you this however...unless you are truly in pain......and I mean intence pain....stay away from them at all costs. They do WAY more harm than good. In my opionion, your husband is going through mild withdrawl. I am no doctor but obviously I have way too much experiance with this drug. Everyone has a different tolerance level and can expect different results to this drug. The thing is even if you take them as perscribed you will still face the horror's of addiction and withdrawl. Your body eventually need's them and there isn't much you can do. I highly recomend that he finds another alternative for pain relief. Good Luck, Chad

[cindi]

Thanks Chad,  Like I said his script is done and he is not real crazy about the oxy's...he did inform me today that he also ran out of his flexeril a week ago and this is when the sweating started   Duh   hope you and deb are doing good   keep coming back   love to all cindi

[The Dude]

Hey cindi.
    I hear Naproxen, Celebrex(weak), Dolobid are pretty good alternatives to narcotic pain management.  Dolobid will destroy your stomach though.
ChadB (the other chad)

[The Dude]

Chad how have you been today man?  Sorry I haven't emailed today, I have been trying to spend time with my baby today, you know, away from those demon pills!!!  E-Mail me later, maybe I'll call you ok?
ChadB

[PS >>>>Annie]

.....I have to aggree w/ Chad about the Naproxen....Naprosyn.  Does wonders for the knees also.  No official studies, but there have been some reports on cartilage damage repair. You have to be on it for a while.  Take tagament or Zantac for your stomache if you have problems.
Hey Chad(other chad).....Is that you>>>???  How is the Music going.  I'm listening to MTV top 100s.....taking a stroll through memory lane. lol.......When ever I am feeling the blues....music does the trick.
Cindi....Just heard our boy....Rob Thomas/Matchbox....Smooth w/ Santana....yeah....love it. lol

Annie

[cindi]

Ohhh Man  Robbie baby,,,,,soooooooooo   smooth  I guess maybe it's time to come home hey how'd yall like to come home to that?  LOL

[The Dude]

Yeah it's me.  Check out www.lachoza.tv and then go to the SND page ok?
Later
P.S. I'd like to get ahold of Robbie myself. Yummmmmm Sexy Beast he is!!!

[cindi]

well, how appropriate then that we should talk about Robbie baby under a thread that reads "constant sweating" actually, though Scott Stapp from Creed is a real hottie to what do ya think?

[PS >>>>Annie]

I love Creed........Need I say more!!!

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

There was this show on FOX when I was in Detox with CREED on it. They played HIGHER from atop the hard rock casino in Vegas. I got chills up and down my spine while I watched that performance. They had these rockets that would shoot a mile high above the vegas strip. I was so excited to know that a simple music performance could enlighten my mood so much. Life can be good without dope. You just have to know where to look! Chad

[cindi]

Creed yeah,  My little brother went to see them in florida and he said they were great,  I am 40 years old so, I am a great deal older than you and have been to alot of concerts with dope in me and without,  I think the last one I saw, (of course, pre kids) was Rush, they were great, that was without dope,  at first I felt a little out of place but then it was cool...I did see Joe Satriani/Eric Johnson without dope also, but I'm not sure you know who they are  LOL   Life without drugs, is good but remember there is a down side to it all sometimes as well, life on life's terms that is hard to deal with at times,,,,keep coming back    cindi

[The Dude]

One of the best shows I've seen live was White Zombie at a place called HammerJacks on Balt. about 5yrs ago

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

You are not that much older cindi! Rush is debra's favorite group. Personally I wish they would just go away! lol. Joe satriani is probably one of the most talented gutaurists in the world. So yes, I know who he is. My first concert was in 1978. I saw KISS at the spectrum during their destroyer tour. I was six years old! I don't think I was high! lol....

ChadB.....isn't HammerJacks a popular gay bar? Remember Queer As Folk is on showtime tonight........the real chad!!!

[PS >>>>Annie]

........Cin  I used to listen to Rock also.  I went to DIO, Ozzy, Journey, Rush, Def lepard...rem. them???  My brother used to drag me to all those concerts......He is the one in the band rem.  My mom used to get sooo mad....I stay in my room and wouldnt eat till she would let me go.  I was young at the time.
Sweating is a good place to post music.  Hey, music lifts depression.......so I guess it's fitting to post about it.  What do yall think?????
Oh yeah......I'm liable to get some bashing for this one, but I like Elton John's greatest hits.  I also like Shania Twain.....Have yall ever heard HER life story.  Also....Brittney lmao......Right CIn??? Just a lil private joke there.  I like a variety of music......Blues, oldies.....rock......classical...you name it.  It all goes down the same way.  lol

annie

[cindi]

Elton John is good, I have liked him since I was in high school...If I tell you this  please keep it a secret LOL   I am a closet Barry Manilow fan  LOL   If ya tell anyone I'll deny I said it.... do ya think were gonna get yelled at for not talking about drugs??

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

I tink that if you talk about Elton John you ARE talking about drugs! lol......Hey Cindi, I am having it bad right now. For some reason I am really pissed right now. This is the danger zone for me....I have to keep calm! Otherwise...everything I have worked for will fall apart. Any words of encouragement would be very helpful at this point.

Does anyone ever think about the hassel of drugs? I am not talking about using....I mean the whole problem of buying, selling, tracking down, getting scripts, dealing with ASSHOLES! ect., ect.

[cindi]

First of all, when you feel like this it is best that you do what you are doing   talking about it,  you are very very early in recovery...and now you are experiencing these feelings that you have numbed with dope for so long,  think about why u are mad?  what happened?  as far as the hassle of drugs man that is a hassle, our whole lives become centered around buying, using, scripts yada yada yada,  now Chad, you are finally free from all that ****.  can you call your sponsor?  is deb around?  have you been to a meeting,   and as far as assholes go, while the world is full of them,  I talk alot about acceptance including accepting people for who they are, that is very difficult but it came easier for me since I was working as a nurse taking care of a whole lot of different people.  gang Members, prostitutes, and even Priests,  you don't have to deal with assholes, you do not have to do anything you don't want to do...remember you are finally free. maybe if you srite things down like why you are pissed, and any other feelings you have,,,I hope things get easier for you   they will in time,  I hope I have helped even a tiny bit    take care   love to all  cindi

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Thanks again! I haven't been to a meeting in a couple of days. I will go one tommorw to try and find some ray of hope. I am really starting to realize the damage caused by these drugs.It's tough to face the reality of life. It is so easy to get high and forget. Well I tried that route and look where it has gotten me. I guess its time to face the world! We shall see.........

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

What you are going through right now is quite normal!  It sounds like you have the answers already as to what to do about it.  All you really need is a little encouragement.  Hang in there and get with some people in your group.  Be patient!  J.B.

[Thomas02]

Hi CHAD FROM …. (excuse me, I mean THE CHAD),

Congrats on making it through rehab! How long a rehab was it? There are, of course, exceptions, but usually the 28-day formula is not as effective or lasting as the 90-meetings in 90 days formula (which is usually accompanied with a court order -- ask me how I know that). But you sound happier and more determined than I have ever "heard" you, so I just wanted to wish you best of luck. Believe me, your saving grace is that you took to the meetings as readily as you did. They are the key.

Another reason I wanted to write you is to tell you that your example has inspired me to return to AA/NA, starting tonight. I decided that spending the better part of three decades as a junkie was enough. I think I've got that act down and don't need any more practice.

I also got two big wake up calls in the past month in the form of two benzo-withdrawal seizures, which are not much different than epileptic seizures. You'll get a kick out of this: the first seizure happened in the pharmacy while I was waiting for my zanax. You can imagine how popular I am at that pharmacy right about now. The second seizure happened at home and scared the hell out of my wife. For about 5 minutes, she actually thought I had died.

I am recovered now, but realize I must either close this chapter of my life or it will turn out to be the final chapter. But I wanted to thank you for inspiring me to return to the only solution that works.

Of course, being a music lover, I can't help tossing in my two cents to this thread. When I want to hear some healing music, my favorite is a 60's album by Frank Sinatra recording all of Antonio Carlos Jobim's Brazilian bossa nova classics (accompanied on guitar by Jobim).

I also wanted to provide the main AA web address for those at a loss to find a meeting:

http://www.soberspace.com/

Additinally, I want to say hi to my friend, JB, but had better put that in another post.

Good luck to you, Chad, and to all who want to get free from this chemical trap of ours.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Awesome post Pat! I am glad that you are going to go back to meetings. I haven't been to one in a few days. It's funny because I start to get really depressed when I don't go. Sometimes I don't even share. I do however think that by at least being there I am gaining something. Sometimes the meetings become really boring but then again, what else do I have to do? I just know one thing. I never want to return to that sick feeling of running out of dope! If I can only hold on to that I will be OK. I will write you some more whenI get back tonight.......Chad from oxadelphia "the city of brotherly drug users"

[Thomas02]

Check out that web address I included in my post. You can find even more meetings by calling the main office or a regional office on the phone. The point is, if the meetings you're going to are boring, find other ones to go to. Get the master list of meetings for your area. The choices will blow you away. The first time I started getting bored at a meeting, I forced myself to share. That makes a big difference.

The first time I complained about boring meetings, an old AA hand took me to a meeting at the quadrapalegic ward at the Long Beach VA hospital. None of these guys will ever move again but what they wanted even more was sobriety. That first meeting "sobered" me up in a hurry. It really helped me put my own life in perspective. The point is, try different meetings. And make yourself speak even if what you have to say really hurts. You usually discover that you're not alone -- not by a long shot, regardles of what you have to say.

Talk to ya later ...

[Brighty]

Wow... what a post !!! There is a nice middle aged lady in Florida who is sending you healing thoughts and prayers every day. Me !!! I just told Jimenez and I will tell you... healing is your spiritual birthright... you are taking steps to claim it. We are with you all the way.... and if you stumble and fall... as old blue eyes would say.. pick your self up and get back in the race.. that's life !!!

Love, Brighty

[Brighty]

COME BACK SPOOK... YOUR FRIENDS HERE MISS YOU... LOTS OF US HAVE POSTED THAT WE MISS YOUR UNIQUE-NESS AND YOUR GOOD INFORMATION.

LOVE, BRIGHTY

[PS >>>>Annie]

....As Brighty said we are with you.  If it doesn't work out, we are here for you.  Don't forget that.  My heart goes out to you for everything you've gone through.  I wish there was an easy way to deal with this.  You are the expert though.  Your experiences, were not useless, for you have helped many here....even me!  .....Your not weak by any means.  I/we look up to you.  Keep in touch.

We love you!

Annie  (:

[PS >>>>Annie]

It's just not the same w/o you!  I miss your post.  Yeah, can you believe I said that.  I really do.
annie

[cindi]

you are such an amazing person and just from the short amount of time I have been here I have learned such a great deal about many many things but, you sharing your experiences and wisdom about life in general has been of such significance to me and has touched my heart and soul in more ways than one,  You know I, make that we (we are all in this thing called addiction together)are on your side and here to help you no matter what...You are in my prayers and thoughts...God bless you.  Love to all cindi

[Thomas02]

Thank you all from the bottom of my heart for your kind words of support. I hope that I can live up to everything you seem to see in me or in what I've contributed to this Forum. I'm writing this minutes after my return from my first AA meeting since 1996. I was a bit rusty, but all the old feelings - the good ones, that is - came flooding back and I knew I'd made the right decision. I shared my 30 years of addiction, jail, seizures and pain with the group and I must say it was quite an unburdening to know that they understood and, in fact, shared many of the same experiences.
I announced to the group that it was my "one-day birthday" and received two offers of sponsorship from a couple of elder members. It felt wonderful to be back and even more so to be back by my own choice, rather than by court order under threat of jail. I believe there's something significantly different about showing up because your mind and spirit tell you it's right, instead of because a judge sentences you to go. My 30 years of drug abuse, I'm afraid, has used up most of the physical and mental resiliency that came with youth. As someone said in a great prison break out movie called Runaway Train, "I'm getting too old to take these ass whippings like I used to." That's how I feel about my drug use now. I see myself deteriorating before my eyes, mentally and physically, and know that this is probably my last chance to rehabilitate my body, mind and personal relationships with my friends and loved ones.

Thanks again to all of you. Your words touch me. Please don't hesitate to post to me if you need someone to talk to. Unless something extraordinary happens, I generally check the Forum every night and will get your message and respond the same evening.

Peace  

[Thomas02]

yeah, Spook, what happened to you?  My guess, unfortunately, is that, since we are mostly "civilians" and not neuropsychopharmacologists like you, we simply bored you off the forum, since we apparently have nothing to teach you. Either that, or you've found a new drug to play with.

For what it's worth, I took your advise about the L-Tyrosine for replenishing the neurotransmitters depleted by narcotic use, and, I'll be damned but it didn't work!!

Anyone experiencing that horrible, empty-headed, half-dead feeling one gets when coming down from narcotics, try taking four 500mg L-Tyrosines in the morning on an empty stomach (say, an hour before any breakfast -- it won't upset your stomach). Do it, say, every other day, as they say daily use can sometimes cause one to build up an immunity. You'll feel your old self faster than you ever thought you could. And, L-Tyrosine is an amino acid produced naturally in the body, so it's not just substituting one drug for another. Do a little research on the net and you'll learn that L-Tyrosine is necessary for the brain to replenish key neurotransmitters without which the brain's pleasure/reward center simply stops working. These are the neurotransmitters that drugs like oxy, vicodin and smack help deplete.

Check it out! I felt considerably better after only one dose.

[Thomas02]

CHAD,

Allow me to relate an interesting coincidence (and really more than that) that occurred tonight at my first AA meeting. An elder member offering to be my sponsor asked me something that relates directly and perhaps vitally to something you said in your post of Sunday April 01 to cindi:

"I think that if you talk about Elton John you ARE talking about drugs! lol. Hey Cindi, I am having it bad right now. For some reason I am really pissed right now. This is the danger zone for me. I have to keep calm!
Otherwise...everything I have worked for will fall apart. Any words of encouragement would be very helpful at this point."

At one point in the mid 90's, I not only had 6 months sobriety but I was serving as secretary at one of the weekly Big Book meetings. Then it was as if a switch went in my head and everything I had achieved went literally up in (pot) smoke. From that point onward, I never looked back, going hot and heavy into everything I had been doing and then some.

Well, I told this tale to my prospective sponsor and he immediately asked, "So, what was your resentment? What or who were you angry at? Or were you just feeling sorry for yourself as a result of some change in your living arrangements?" Since my answer to all of his questions was "yes," needless to say, I was blown away. In five minutes, the mystery of why I quit AA so suddenly had been convincingly solved by a guy I had known for five minutes.

The Big Book and other AA lit talks quite a bit about unresolved resentments, anger, and self-pity being the chief driving forces behind relapses. Since AA has been teaching this since the thirties, and the organization has proven ever since to have the only consistently effective (and accessible) answer to addiction, it's hard for me to question the wisdom of this principle.

I felt the need to post to you about this because your April 1 post sounded like me on the day I relapsed. Chad, do you have a sponsor yet? If not. GET ONE. All you have to do is announce that you're a newcomer and the sponsors will come out of the woodwork. A good sponsor is vital to you're achieving self-insight into your problem. It's not enough to attend meetings and occasionally share your story. Your future depends on you're learning why you relapse and how to recognize a relapse coming on.

Well, enough said. It's 3 in the morning here in SoCal, and I think I've heard enough Sinatra and Jobim to last me til morning.

Peace.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Yes I do have a sponcer. I haven't talked all that much with him yet. He went on vacation for a week. I understand what you are saying about the anger and all that. My thing right now is that I wamt to be healthy. I want to wake up at 7am and feel full of energy. As it stands now I roll out of bed about 11am get a shower around noon and then if I'm lucky I go to get coffe by 2pm. That is no way to live! I must/have to make changes NOW. I wasted life away by using. I thought I was having fun...but at what price? I don't want to waste anymore time. Talk soon.....Chad

[Thomas02]

CHAD!

One great contribution spook made before he made like a spook was to give all us narcotic addicts an awesome cure for that feeling you're having. I've been off the narcs for about 8 days and I'm telling you, four 500mg L-Tyrosine (for a total dose of 2000 mg.) capsules on an empty stomach every other morning will bring you back to life. I was skeptical at first, but no longer. Take the full 2000 mg. at once. It won't upset your stomach (it's not a drug; it's an amino acid essential for the production of dopamine, among other neurotransmitters in the brain. Without dopamine, the please/reward system in the human brain, the part of our brains you and I have been tricking out with narcotics, is flat out of commission). Go to the health food store right now and buy 500mg L-Tyrosine and for good measure, a multivitamin with a generous helping of B6 in it. IT WILL BRING YOU BACK FROM THE DEAD THE FIRST TIME YOU USE IT! WOULD I LIE TO YOU? TRY IT, CHAD. IT'S CHEAP AND IT WILL GIVE YOU BACK WHAT YOU'VE LOST - NEUROTRANSMITTER-WISE, ANYWAY. One suggestion, don't drink coffee within an hour or two of taking the L-Tyrosine (you won't need it, believe me). After taking the L-Tyrosine on an empty stomach, give it about an hour to be assimilated before you eat breakfast. This is the last time I'm going to say it. L-Tyrosine WORKS CHAD. Now turn your PC off and get your ass to the health food store. If you go on feeling the way you say you are, you have only yourself to blame. Spook gave us the solution. It's just sitting on the shelf waiting for you.

[Brighty]

Wow... what a post... that is fantastic testimonial about L-Tyrosine.... THANK YOU.... !!! I saw it in the health food store but only in bottles of 60 500mg's ... now I think the original information was to take 4g on an empty stomach at bedtime.... mainly because the stomach would be empty by then... LOL... not mine... so I am wondering.... 4g seems like alot... it's 8 of those caps.... just a weeks worth in a bottle... also you modified the dose to 1/2 and it's working for you.... what would happen if someone took the whole dose everyday ???????? Did you modify for the same reason I am thinking, not to have to buy so much of it ?? Seems we can take less than Spook or Maria told us... and in the AM does seem like the time to get energized.
I am personally very happy to see you doing so well lately... your posts are filled with hope and are good reading !!! Love, Brighty

[Thomas02]

Actually, I reduced it to 2000 mg just to be cautious. Eight caps just seemed like a lot of anything. I also admit that I spaced spook's original dosage advice and didn't want to bother him about it again. Since then, I've found plenty of info on the net that specifies smaller doses closer to the 2000 mg I'm using. They also say not to use it every day. Otherwise, you risk developing a tolerance and losing the effect.

Here's a web site I found advising smaller doses closer to what I'm doing:

http://xenopharmacophilia.com/ee/tyrosine.htm

Quote:
"Dosage: 500mg. -- 2000mg.

Duration: 2hr. -- 6hr.

Phenylalanine is the direct precursor of tyrosine. Much the same effect is gained from taking d,l-phenylalanine,
however, for many it seems the effects are stronger and more positive with l-tyrosine - less product is thus needed.

A few caps in the morning (500mg. -- 1000mg.) is a good maintenance level dose, especially if you are not a coffee
consumer - or drink de-caffeinated coffee. This dose gets your brain churning, usually without any sort of speedy
effects. However, when taken daily, a tolerance will be noted - best to take sporadically, or every other day or such.

Same dose can be effective in helping to keep your mind awake when you need to pull an all-nighter, be it to party
harder or get some work or studying done.

Hangover cure!!! Take 1500mg. (usually 3 caps) the "morning after". Also a good idea to take your favorite headache
cure (mine being Naproxen sodium - Aleve©). When taken upon waking up and feeling like the neighborhood dog's
ass - you will gain relief in 30-60 minutes. This works! But don't rely on it too heavily.

Doses of 1500mg. + either heal you energetically (as above), or boost your energy sygnificantly. Ideal for sports,
working out, etc...without that pesky jittery feeling.

L-Tyrosine is available at good health food stores throughout the United States - and is quite inexpensive (compared
to those herbal energizers that are just caffeine and ephedra). Expect to pay $15 for a bottle of 100 capsules 500mg.
ea."
At least from this supplier, L-Tyrosine costs only a fraction of what oxycontin costs. I'd say that makes it a bargain from any perspective!

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Ok, you convinced me. I am going out right now to get it. I will let you know what happends......Chad

[Thomas02]

alright CHAD! Remember the special directions on how, when and how much to take. (2000 mg, first thing in the morning, no breakfast for an hour, suggest no coffee (when it hits, you'll know why), take a multivitamin with some b6 in it to help it work, according to spook, you can take twice the dosage I just stated, but I know I didn't need that much. Good luck to you CHAD! After everything you've been through and all the effort you've put into getting off the oxy, you deserve to have this stuff work. Believe me, there's no reason to think it won't.

I suggest you either print out the diretions in the post above yours, or go to this web site

http://xenopharmacophilia.com/ee/tyrosine.htm

and print out the instructions you find there.

[spook]

The dose I mention of 4 grams,was from information in a research paper,within a book on Neuropsychopharmacology,the book is 1726 pages long and was written in 1972.They said the large dose was essential to get the brain to preferentially uptake the L-Tyrosine and convert it to Dopamine and that an empty stomach was essential.They where using it to experiment on Depressed Schizophrenics,as Dopamine Augmenters tend to exacerbate the Psychosis but fix the depression.I knew that Antipsychotics block dopamine transmission in the Mesenchephalon(contains the Dopaminergic-VTA),so if the regime exacerbated their schizophrenia it was hitting the right spot.
It was through similar research that I learnt of the Dopamine depletion caused by Opioids,esp in the VTA and Striatum,I knew these ares are responsible for drive and reward,as well as the termination,initiation and maintenaince of Mood,Mentation and Movement.
So I tried it out and it was very nice,in fact I got a little High from it.Its overall effect is to increase the ability to feel pleasure and not produce pleasure directly(like Amphetamines do),so it is just recharging the presynaptic vesicles of their store of Dopamine,whereas Opioids and Amphetamines cause release and block reuptake of Dopamine.
Side effects include increased production of Melanin,so if you go out in the sun be carefull,you will tan very quickly.
I have never looked it up on the web,so it is interesting to know others have become aware of this excellent natural nutrient.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Well I went out and bought the stuff. They only had 1000mg capsules. I took two of them on an empty stomach. I waited an hour and then took another one. I haven't really felt anything much. I do feel more "alert". Deb took them and says she feel good. I am not really angry today. Maybe they did work for me in that way. What should I expect to feel. Shoud I not take any tommorow? Let me know because I definitly need something...

[spook]

If your stomach is empty at bed time,think how much more empty it will be 8 hours later in the morning?.(gosh!)
If you want an amino acid for beddy byes try Trytophan,it will help you sleep,or a glass of hot milk,as it contains a lot of protein that is made up of Tryptophan.
heating it will help to pre-hydrolyse the polypeptides(protein)namely casein into free Tryptophan.
If you are thinking like 8 tablets seems a lot thats because,they do not know what thet are doing,if the bottle says take 1 or 2 then it is confirmed that they know not what they do.
You could take 10 grams and be fine.
heres the B6 take: "Pyridoxin(B6)serves as a coenzyme in the decarboxylation of tyrosine".
Would I lead you down the wrong path Brighty?.
Their is only one true light,sometimes the blind lead the blind.

[spook]

This is what I was afraid of,once the initial euphoria and spiritual rebirth settles after coming of Opioids(Oxycodone)around about 10-20 after last of Physical withdrawals have subsided,one inevitably finds themselves becoming empty/depressed,my recommendation is take 5 grams on empty stomach with some B6.
It is hard to get through this patch,I do not see anything wrong with having a "few! drinks in the evening(alcohol),but keep your resolve to stop Opioids,it gets harder everytime one slips back,you have a good chance of succeeding.
Most important take each moment as it comes and exercise like crazy,and remember you will not be back to good old CHAD FROM PHILLY!!! for around 6 months.Do not get impatient.When your endorphins and other neurosystems are back on-line every atom in the universe will be in just the right place again.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Maybe your not such a bad guy after all! Do you recomend taking two or three 1000mg tabs every two days? Any inro will be appreciated. I was wondering about what you said concerning drinking. Are you saying that I can enjoy a beer every now and then? Because NA has me believing that drinking is the worst thing I can do. Thanks, Chad

[spook]

No problem taking 4000mg "4 tablets"(1000mg-tablets),Only do it about once a week,never everyday,merely because it will not work then,ie not dangerous to do so.(remember get some B6 vitamin pills to take with it and lots of water).
NA does not want you drinking because it will weeken your will power and then of course you may go out and buy some Oxy`s.
From what you have said you DO want to stop so I have more faith in you.Most people who have become recidivists and been trying to stop many years(variable)secretly do not want to stop,they are stopping because,they have lost everthing and cannot get High anymore either.They are absolutely lost in their addiction,its too soon for you to have developed that major rigid personality/behaviour pattern change associated with very long term use.
But do not push your luck,it would be good to see someone have a runin with Opioids and then give them the boot,DO IT!!!!!
Look at how it is only going to get harder if you relapse.

[Thomas02]

well, it looks like spook has expertly answered your questions about the L-Tyrosine. I suspected it might take a sustained regimen of the substance over time to "bring someone back." I intend to take the stuff more days each week than not, along with the B6 and as much exercise as I can manage. You might have noted, CHAD, that spook is recommending twice the morning dose that I was talking about. You were on the oxy for a long time. Perhaps following his advice and taking the full 4000 mg dose will have a more dramatic effect.

[neenie]

cindi, just read about barry manilow. i am 26 years old and i went to see him about 4 years ago. none of my friends wanted to go with me even though i offered to pay and even treat them to dinner . finally my best friend went w/me. i think i was the youngest person there. love him bigtime. every one of his songs are beautiful, nostalgic. patrick, i am so afraid to go to AA/NA meetings b/c of my profession, job, am paronoid of the least little thing or anyone knowing/losing my license. but i know i am sinking deeper  and deeper     into this trap. even worse than it was a month ago. i started on tyl#3 . two of those little pills got me sooooo high three years ago. just two. now i can  take 5/ 40mg. of oxy at once and an hour later take 3 more and just continue to chase that feeling.let's not even talk about the hassle that we go thru getting them at the pharmacy. the panic when you give the script to the clerk, wondering if they will call the dr, the way they look at you at the pharmacy, wondering if they will recognize that you've been there before for the same meds... i would love to go to meetings, have a sponsor,kick this way of life that seems so nice at the moment. but when i run out it is hell and then i try every possible avenue i could to get more.i want to try the L-Tyrosine. knowing me, i will probably go right back to where i started. i have 3 small kids . this gets me through the day. pllllllease give me any kind of insight to this guys..anyone love,neenie

[cindi]

LOL  you are too cute about Barry Manilow,  You are considerably younger than I am,  but you still like barry   that is too funny,  I always get teased about him but there is not a song of his i don't like.....Ok,  about your profession,  I am a Nurse who was terrified of losing my license..I have to get to work,  I left my profession voluntarily after being arrested  etc.....so i don't have time to get into much about that right now but if you e-mail me I would love to help you through this.  I am @ ***@****'m sure Patrick can help you and so can alot of people, but I'll answer your e-mail later after work   :)    love cindi

[neenie]

hi cindi, whatdo you do now for a living? how did you get arrested? were you taking from work? or are you still a nurse? you seem so sweet. i would love to talk. i would even give you my ph no. but where do you live? i would not mind calling you even if it is long dist. i really need someone to talk to . i am at the begionning of my nursing career and i hate it already. love, neenie

[Thomas]

Here's an insight, as requested. AA and NA include the word anonymous in their names for a reason.

www.soberspace.com

This site will give you AA meetings organized by state. You can find the specific state or county's web directory and find even more meetings. Believe me, neenie, you can easily find a meeting or combination of different meetings and remain absolutely anonymous. Remember, suppose you "ran into" someone you knew in your profession. Well, what do you suppose they're there for? They're just as anxious for you to keep their secret as you are for them to keep yours. It's really the least of your problems.

Where I think your anonymity is in jeopardy is when you enter treatment at an insurance financed rehab. Even then, I've heard of laws to protect patient's identities in such situations. I suppose it matters what state you're in.

peace, and good luck to you. write me anytime you want to talk.

You can write me off the forum at ***@****

[neenie]

that site was for AA not NA and i have never touched an alcoholic drink in my life. i wish it were the same with pills. thanks ever so much for giving me your email address. everyone here is so nice. it is so comforting to know that i have you guys.for the longest time i was just reading posts and i never thought i would write one but i had to let you guys know that we're all pretty much in the same place. people think that being an addict is like only for scums it is so surprising how manyeducated, successful, professional people are burdened in their daily life with this. there are doctors, lawyers hooked on so much stuff and they function better with it, like me. my family, my husband doesn't have yhe slightest clue. i go to the pharmacy by myself and usually i go everywhere with my husband. we hang out together a lot so he wonders where i go when i have to get the meds, but i cannot let him know. he is the sweetest person and i don't want him to know. he would worry about me with the kids when he is at work.any way i almost told him the other day, but he would never dream about the severity of this and everytime i try to stop, i end up just getting my hands on more. and i don't mean 10 or 20 or even 50. i mean a lot more, and it is that high i crave. gotta go talk to you soon, neenie

[neenie]

that last post was meant for you but i got confused b/c you gave me your email as patrickflannery but your name is thomas ???????? sorry. are you the same person? anyway gotta go. neenie

[cindi]

Hi Neenie, I am too tired and not feeling really good right now to answer your questions but tomorrow I promise I will get with you and help you out....take care   cindi

[neenie]

sorry you are not feeling good. hope my questions were not too intrusive. the last thing i want to do is sound oo inquisitive. i have just always been so interested in people's life, their pains struggles and where they are coming from. i am in the wrong profession. i have always wanted to do  journalism- the next barbara walters or something. i just wanted to know what happened so that i would not make the same mistake. i know you are more exp. and educated than i am on certain things. and it broke my heart to hear you gave up such a great profession voluntarily. well, anyway, nsg. is not what it used to be anymore. i am sure you had better times as a nurse than i will have ahead. i already hate it. the money is good and that is about it. i hate doing bedside nsg. but i have a home, kids to support and need to supplement my husband's income. , although we lived good while i was not working for a while. and it was my choice to go back to work. i wouild really like to talk to you some other time. tell me something: how come when i want to read a post and it is at the bottom, meaning the last post i have to scroll all the way down? is there an easier way to do this? i am new at this. not too good on the pc so i need to learn. i only sign on to read this forum and a few others about parents w/toddlers and to check my mail. i am wasting a lot of resources and info by not exploring the computer. i just found out that the pharmacy approved another supply of oxy that belong to my uncle but he always gives it to me and here i was saying i am giving it up to try the ltyrosinethat everyone keeps talking about. i want to try it for withdrawals, but i hate thinking about WD cause it is so easy for me to obtain so much of any kind of pill i want. the only thing i can do is come out of nsg. like someone suggested, take a huge paycut and just live with it. and i can't do it. so instead of going to the healthfood store as advised, i will pick up those god forsaken, paralyzing, pills, love,neene

[cindi]

Hi Neenie,  Your questions hon are not too intrusinve, I have a very painful history which led to my decision to leave nursing,  I now am a toddler teacher at a preschool....and I have a 3 year old and a 7 year old.....I hate to do this to you but....i have to go and do some shopping for Easter but I jumped on to see if you got my last message,  when I get home I promise I will either send you a post or if you would rather I could e-mail you....then i will share everything with you....i just didn't want youto think I was just not responding to you....ok  talk to ya soon     cindi

[cindi]

I tried to get on last night but the site would not let me type anything, something with the cursor....What I have to tell you will be long, I don't want to take up the space on the forum so either e-mail me at ***@**** or send me your e-mail and i can get with you there.....I mean it is not terrible long and boring but it will take up some space and I tend to stray    but I DO NEED TO TALK AND SHARE WITH YOU....Please hon, you are young, you cannot make the same mistakes I did, it is not worth it, please, if you have never listend to anyone before take everyhing i say to you to heart and run with it....it will save you......love cindi

[Thomas]

patrickflannery is an Irish author of some note.


I borrowed his name to create "***@****" so I can converse in privacy.

Thomas

[Jay-Jay]

I have spent half of my day (which is hard with 2 children) reading all of your posts... I just want to say thank you all for being so honest and forthright about everything... I feel as if I have learned so much about my behaviors with addictions... I have recieved much insight that I may have never gotten elsewhere else... This is almost like going to AA meetings I suspect.. Some of you have gone deep and I really apprieciate that because in my life and the people I know can't really go there and that is what my sole longs for... (the truth) Get tired of putting on these masks all of the time pretending to be happy when in truth I would rather talk about the depth of my sole rather than the artifical quirks of today.. wish we could do this more often.. I am not a heavy drug user but I do have problems with nicotine (which makes me sick at times) and I do drink heavily (or to excess, beer) when I am in social situations due to lack of esteem?  Or could it be that it is easier to have the mask when drinking, making happy with all you need to please... ??? Dunno... Anyhow folks just wanted to start unveling my mask and give you some debths and truths about me.. Happy Easter All... Remember, HE HAS RISEN!!  Sins are forgiven.. fill youself up with that truth...!!!  This is a deep truth to ponder....  Take care, your friend in recovery...

^j^  ^j^

[cindi]

What a beautiful post.  I will just leave it be...Nothing to add, just thank you for your honesty,...Here we can all be honest...real, compssionate and yes eve  addicts struggling in the bowels of addiction...hurting beyond belief but most of the people on this forum unlike any other are a unique blend of individuals and they offer every ounce of whatever they have to offer.......Happy Easter my friend      cindi

[Hope]

You have all spoken to my terrified and desperate soul tonight.  Sitting hear crying, wondering if and when I will ever be able to stop 'chasing this dragon'. Ahhhh....the beautiful, deceiving poppy. You all speak so eloquently and truthfully.  I can relate to each of your stories in so many ways.  I do believe that God forgives.  I don't think I can ever forgive myself. So much shame that has corroded away my soul, my will, my HOPE. When I can't escape with the pills or when it looks like I may run out of pills or eventually, of course, run out of money for them, I fantasize about other ways to escape.  I sometimes think I would rather die than to have my parents and siblings and co-workers find out I'm a junkie. They all think that I've been sober for over a year.  Oh yeah, I found a great way to stay off alcohol.  Haven't had a drink in over a year.  The 15-20 Norco a day has helped me tremendously to stay off the alcohol!  Oh how very proud they all are of me.  And you can imagine just how very, very proud of myself I must be. Ha.  Shame.  Can't yet bring myself to confide in one soul in my life.  Except for you all who are the only people I've told.  Weird, huh.  Talk about anonymity!  You see, it is so very, very important that I keep this confidential.......for now anyway. I explained in an earlier post somewhere the reason I choose not to go to AA/NA. I'm so not ready to once again disappoint the people who love me.  Would be too much.  You all have been a Godsend and I thank you for being real live human beings who care enough about their fellow sufferers to offer your support and experiences.  God bless you all.

[PS >>>>Annie]

I like reading your post.....I can't explain it.  Very "from the heart."  Hey....Why don't you get some L-tyrosine and b6.  My husband and I are taking it. ..and he loves my computer now! lmao   He thinks I am learning something (sitting here in front of it) afterall.

Love,
Annie