DILAUDID, IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN DO?

[SCARD4LIFE]

I'VE BEEN USING K4'S 4 ABOUT 6-7yrs AND I'VE RECENTLY BEEN PUT ON PROBATION SO I AM TRYING TO KICK BUT I'M NOT HAVING MUCH LUCK.BUT I GUESS MY ? IS IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN DO TO GET IT OUT OF MY SYSTEM FASTER? I HAVE A DRUG TEST IN LESS THAN 36 HOURS AND I'M SCARED AS HELL !!!!! ALSO IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN DO 4 THE WITHDRAWLS ? I HAVE BEEN DOING ABOUT 400mg.A DAY (100 PILLS)I KNOW THAT MIGHT SOUND LIKE ALOT BUT IT'S BARELY KEEPING ME GOING. I'VE ALREADY TRIED THE PROGRAMS AND TREATMENT CENTERS BUT I CANT SEEM TO STOP AND NOW IT LOOKS LIKE I'M GOING TO GO TO JAIL UNLESS I CAN PASS A DRUG TEST. IF ANYBODY OUT THERE CAN HELP ME PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!!

[ActingBrandNew]

Hey...welcome! This thread is 11 years old so I dont believe anybody of the original posters will respond. It sounds like you have a great story...you may want to start a new thread with the same info you posted above...you will get more responses.

[Junksux]

Well this is my first post here and came across the site and thread looking for info on dilaudids as I seem to have acquired an affection for them and its time to kick

I have experience with heroin as was hooked for 5 years and without getting into the whys and hows about it - I kicked that cold turkey because of necessity. I' can get into more detail on the whole deal later if need be.

Was clean for 16 years from the junk and just started these damn things 2 years ago after I wrecked my back

Kicking junk was not a very pleasurable experience but was nothing more than being really really dope sick for a week just more extreme with the creepy crawly skin -shivers and nausea  as anyone that has done it knows
.  Lots of showers -drank lots of OJ - walked a lot and sweated like a pig. First 5 days were the worst but day 6 was a noticeable turning point where actually got 3 hours sleep in a row . Gradually felt better and better and would have to guess it was about 3 weeks before I felt 100%

I was told by a dr after the fact that they don't recommend quitting like that but I think it's just so they can sell more **** to get off it

I had lots of friends on methadone and from their viewpoint it was worse than junk when they went into WD

That's why I'm battling myself with these damn dilaudids
I'm doing anywhere from 4 to 10 8mg pils a day right now and have to kick for a few reasons - **** ain't doing my system any good and I have to test for overseas work with the clincher being .. I was on them for back pain and my tolerance went higher and higher so my scripts started running out sooner and sooner so the good of doc put the kibosh on them and gave me T3's with codeine instead which he  might as well have substituted with Pez . So as any good junkie I just found a source to purchase them from and this has been going on for two years and is getting worse and worse as my tolerance goes up


I found myself looking for a mask for this upcoming test and realized I gotta just suck it up and quit

Has anyone quit junk cold turkey and diladid - is it the same WD?
I'm not really looking forward to this but it's gotta be done  

I realize it seems hypocritical to on one hand say kicking junk is somewhat easy and then having an issue with kicking these D's



Peace and good luck to anyone kicking


J

[scared in so cal]

Hi Thomas,
It's been a long time and I've wondered about you and how you're doing! Things have have like a downward spiral for me, doc shopping, more and more pills everyday. I think the people at work know that something is wrong because I was also taking somas for a while and they just really f-d me up (and I looked it). I have missed sooo much work because of this damn addiction. At this point I'm just petrified that I'm going to get caught doc shopping by my insurance or someone else. I'm on the verge of going to another Urgent Care right now and it scares me. Please post or e-mail if you remember me. ambrosia_m***@****

Best wishes,
Amber

[JSmith02]

WW, I'm glad it's ok to disagree with you ... because I believe the goddamn government should stay the hell out of my bodily fluids.Especially since half of these jokers are junkies of one kind or another, anyway. Drug tests are just an easy way for the probation department to send people back to the hell of prison. Do you know that there are more black man in prison in this country than in college? The Great Society ...

Thomas

[Sturgil]

Back from NA. I must say this, NOBODY can get clean and stay cleam without GOD. No group, No sponsor only GOD. MA is a good propram and I will continue to go. Today I slipped a bit and took 3 more than the past two days. I am still on track for July 4th to out. My supply will run out on this day. Thank you all for the great support. I hope you continue to give me support. This board has done more for me than NA. I thank GOD for you all.

Sturgil

[angst]

I apologize if my answer rubbed you the wrong way.  I had a friend going back to prison on parole violations.  He killed himself instead.  I wanted to help the person avoid prison.  It is not a nice place to be.  I did not want him to break the law just pass a UDS.  Rationalization - Yes.  I hope there are no hard feelings.  I really doubt someone could take that much dilaudid.  I just hate to see someone having to face going back to jail.  Sorry.  Ava

[tex3]

Our mom's sound alike; maybe it's that Catholic thing again! I'm glad for both of us, having a real life again. It is priceless. I honestly don't think I'll ever go back to using. I certainly don't plan to, but I also don't want to fool myself. If I needed it badly for a pain issue, I would use a limited amount. But I know myself enough to say I might really slip if I had a big prescription, so I won't allow myself that temptation. I swear I will never go through detox again; I just won't get to that point, I believe. But a few prayers for strength wouldn't hurt!

Sturgis - you're doing great. Many here were/are on higher doses. Point is, it doesn't matter what your final dose amount is; when I first withdrew from about 10 hydros a day, it felt every bit as bad as it later did from twice that amount. But to set your mind at ease, I was up to 30+/day of 10/500 or 10/325 a day. Normally I took about 20, but the last amount was after surgery, when my tolerance was so high and I was in major pain and they wouldn't give me anything stronger. I quit at that point.
I wouldn't worry about trading drugs, although I admit I've never been to an NA meeting. Most are there to honestly quit, I believe. Good luck and hang in there; sounds like you're ready for goal.
tracy

[Sturgil]

Tonight I am going to my first NA meeting. I hope it is not a place for people to swap drugs. That is what worries me. I am increasing my dosage times everyday. Today I I increased 2 of them by 0ne hour. Tomorrow I am going to increrase the time to 1.5 hours. I will have one less dose tomorrow night. So far my legs hurt a bit. No headache or trips to the bathroom. By my target date I will be down to 6 per day. This should help. Thanks again to those who have given me support. It is the ole birds of a feather flock together issue. It calms me to know I am not alone and others have taken the same if not more than me. I would like to know if anyuone has gone over 18 10/500 per day. Thanks again. I will post later tonight after I return from my meeting.

Sturgil

[Sturgil]

Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Everyone is such a huge help for me. Everybody has been so nice. I am blown away. Thank you all for helping me stand tall.

I am keeping a diary and will post it for all to read. It will have all the bad details of WD's. God Bless you all.


Cris

[tex3]

I did the same stuff you did. I'm still not comfortable talking about faith; don't know why, it's just too private for me I guess, although I envy those who can embrace it openly. But I believe and my faith is strong. I think it's actually stronger because I did question things. Like you, when recovering I got angry and questioned "why" all this **** happened to me. But it was tempered by all the bad things I knew I'd done. For some reason all the challenges I faced while recovering made me feel better, not worse. I guess that's faith after all, huh? Anyway I do thank God each night for giving me the strength to get through this. That's what I really prayed for: strength to do it myself, not an answer to all my problems. Things are still tough, especially moneywise right now, but I have my mind and my body back and that's worth winning the lottery, in my book.
You sound great and I love seeing your posts. Take care. tracy

[IrishRose]

Glad you are still with us. I think a lot of us come from diverse spiritual paths. Like Tracy I am a lapsed Catholic but my spiritual practice is to believe in something greater than myself and my addiction and it's power over my life. Early on in trying to clean up I was miserable and felt that the universe was personally dumping on me. It seemed like no matter how hard I tried, it got harder, worse stuff happened, etc. I felt hideously sorry for myself and felth the"why bother" feeling come upon me. I thought, why clean up if this is what it is, all hard stuff and challenges. I'm really not one for quoting the bible and I'm not trying to turn this thread into that but one day , I stamped my little foot and yelled at God. Demanded an answer of why all this pain. Why me? To further challenge God, I  played Bible roulette, which is where I just flipped it open to wherever and hollered" okay show me an answer!". I though with my luck I would open it to all the long begots part or even worse Revelations, which always scared me to death. I don't for sure know chapter and verse but it was Hebrews I think. It said something along the lines of " I will run with perserverance the race that has been set before me". Well that shut me up. I got my answer,which what I had been hearing all along at 12 step meetings, friends and family who cared, essentially, hang in there, one day at a time, you'll get through. I did and I have, it got even harder at times before it got better.  But I stayed clean, didn't always want to I am glad I did. Let me say it has not been all misery, my life has been very good since I cleaned up. But that is just life, full of challenges I dont have to use over them or take them personally. It never took much to make me want to use anyway. Major crisis I could handle. It was the little stuff, losing my car keys, too many bills to pay, a flat tire, etc that got to me and sent me running for chemical shelter. But hang in there, it is worth it. Take care. IR

[IrishRose]

Tracy my mom said the same thing to me the other day that you just said about the strength to meet challenges instead of removing them. I was boo-hooing to her about some frustrating and painful things I am facing right now and she just said " darlin I'm just praying that you will find the strength and grace to deal with this". Not I'm praying for God to make it all better for you, but strength and grace. Wow! I guess thats where the opportunity for growth comes in to deal instead of to run, to face it and grow up a little. I know what you mean about the priceless feeling of getting your life back, even when it hurts its still worth it. Take care.

[tex3]

Hi and congratulations on making such a hard choice! Okay, I'm usually very reticent when it comes to spiritual matters (not because I don't believe, but I'm just very private about it, not comfortable talking), but I wanted to comment on your post. I'm a "lapsed" Catholic, but I still pray every night (us Caths are big on ceremony and all that) and when I started this battle, I really looked to God for help and guidance. I felt maybe I didn't deserve help, because I'd been such a rotten person. But I asked for it anyway and I think I really got it, because hey, I'm clean! Also after my detox, when I started feeling better, I got horrible migraines that lasted literally for weeks. I was in misery. So I figured God was showing me I was strong enough to get through that, too. Maybe He was helping me get some self-esteem and redemption back. I was carrying around so much guilt and shame. It's still there, but not around my neck now. I had to leave that negativity behind and move forward. My husband always says how proud he is of me and I honestly don't see why; would you be proud of someone for beating cancer? No, it's just something you do. But it has made me a stronger person. Can't say I'm reading my Bible, but I do feel more spiritual and am more open about that. I'm really glad your spirituality is helping you; as IR said, a higher power can be the key to recovery. Your post was uplifting and I wish you the best. I really think you're going to make it. Tracy

[Sturgil]

I never thought of that. WOW . God has really set this whole thing up for success. Meeting all of you, read the Bible and preparing me. Thank you so very much.


Sturgil (Cris)

[Sturgil]

I think the shrink does not fully understand how these things work. Anyway, thank you... you made my day. I was so hoping to hear from a fellow addict. I read my Bible daily and at bed time read J Vernon Mcgee overview on what I have read. I am in the book of James.

Currently I have a script for Neurontin 300mg. I see the postings here and find that it helps. Check this out. I thought I would start the tapper process by just skiping a dose. Any pill popper is a clock watcher. So instead of trying to decide which does to cut during the day here is what I have done. I am writing down when I take them. Normally I I take round 2 at 9:00 am. So today I moved it to 10:30am and I am pround to say I made it to 10:40. Tomorrow I am going to move the second round to 11:15. All the other doses for the day get moved up as well. I cut out 6 10/500 tabs today plus 6 350 Soma's. I pray all day for GOD to prepare me and equip me for the 4th of July. (cold tirkey day) If I have any left they will get flushed. This board is such a help. All of you have really got me in gear.

I bought my Ben Ga and Ensure Plus today. I had my Wellbutrin refilled as well as my Neurontin, I have 90 of them. Today when I opened my Bible to read James I was readyfor the chapter entitled Patience from Suffering. WOW. The last verse say " Let your Yes's be Yes and your no's be no. It is the last chapter of the book of James. God is equiping me, I know I will suffer but I am leaning on HIM. You have made my day. Thank for helping me stand strong. Sturgil - Gulf Coast of South Alabama

[IrishRose]

Hi Sturgil- when I read your post I had to read it again to be sure I read right. Your shrink suggested ethyl alcohol ( wine) to help you detox??!! Good greif! You were right to have a weird gut feeling about that one. Make friends with your liver before it's too late. It is likely already somewhat annoyed with you due to your habit so don't insult it any further. What credentials does this shrink have? Do they have an M.D. behind their name or are they a psychologist or MSW?  Setting up a taper schedule sounds good for a start and you may want to read some other posts on this forum regarding a vitamin and amino acid recipe some folks swear by in helping them detox. You are right about addiction leaving a hole in your life. Mine always looks for a way to manifest itself in my life even though I've been clean for awhile now. A spiritual path has been my best help in staying clean so far but I also attend a 12 step program. Don't rule those out either, NA and AA both have websites you can learn about these programs or likely your town has a hotline for these organizations as well.  I wish you well, I'll leave the detoxing advice to others on this forum who know more about it than me. I got free of booze/benzos and cough syrup ( yes cough syrup!) some years back and am grateful to have my life back. Hang in there, let us know how you are doing.

[OxyDout]

ok guys, this ESPECIALLY GOES FOR MR. MICHAEL, you jackass!!!! hahhaa, just kidding, (i'm laughing out loud right now) oh god, anyway, what I meant was, this forum has many posted threads of which we can post a response to.  I believe, and forgive me if i'm wrong, but i do believe most of us will only scan over the first few questions  at the TOP OF THIS PAGE. So, if you post a response on a thread that is towards the mid to lower part of the page, not too many people will see it, right? hahah, too funny.

good luck to all of you.

GWH

[GOD]

Bless you!

Do you know another "funny" thing about your last day of using drugs.... THe 4th is Independence Day!! NO LONGER DEPENDANT on drugs either....

Good luck in your journey....
Jess

[tex3]

Hi dlm, and welcome. What gwh meant I think about posting higher up, is you'll get more responses if you post to the most recent question. More people probably scan that. But anyway welcome and we're here to help.
When I was detoxing I couldn't get out of my mind how I felt so shitty and if I just had one pill I'd get relief, it would make it all go away. And it would have, but then I would've gone through the whole dance again. So stick it out or down the road you'll have to repeat these awful days.
Like yours, my husband didn't really want to talk about it. He accepts it now but still doesn't discuss it. He wants to think of me as normal, someone who just had a problem because I started out in chronic pain. But all the same he helped me through, kind of, and more important I helped myself and when I needed to understand the whole process I researched it and came here for support. Non-addicts don't really get it, which is okay. In a few weeks you will get to where it doesn't consume every thought. I never thought I'd get to where I didn't think about pills constantly. But hang in there because it does happen and you will feel miles better sooner than it seems possible. Of course, it's hell until you get there!
You feel so lethargic because of the detox stuff and you're not eating and probably losing fluids. That will all pass. In another week the physical part is over. Then you can tackle the mental stuff. Hang in and we're here for you. Let us know how you're doing, okay?
Tracy

[Sturgil]

First I am new to the forum. I take 12 to 15 10/500 per plus 2 Soma's each time I pop. I get all my meds from online services. Not only am I going broke and have tons of CC debt I also see these pills messing up my job and home life. This is the second time around for quiting. Since the 4th is coming up I am using the 4, 5, 6, and 7th to recover. The leg cramps are bad. However. Ben Gay takes it away. Alos last itme I drank slim fast so I get the right amount of vitamins. Last time I did not throw up or get sick. I was a the same level. It felt like the flu. I am so encouraged to read the posts. My Christian shrink told me to do the following. Pray and lean on GOD, set up a schedule to reduce the amount you are taking and then go cold turkey. He also said (this worries me) that wine can also help with the pain. I have never been a drinker but I will try it. (maybe) Please pray for me. I know it is pure heck to go through. About 4 days of a bad flu plus weeks of cramps. Can anyone help with other ideas? I am sick of the pills and want to recover the real me. I know I will be depressed. However I have already started taking Wellbutrin 3 times a day to help out. We are all in the same boat...the monkey will always be in the tree above us just waiting to get on our back again. Last time I quit it felt like I had lost a good friend. My point is this, when you quit there is a hole, it needs to be filled with something. Last time after I quit I had an affair 2 weeks later. This time I am going to put God in this hole. I have started reading my Bible each day. God has really given me tons of direction. I ask for you all to give me feedback and encourage me. After I am clean I will do my best to help others. Thank you all in advance. I hope this is posted in the right place. I do not know how to use message boards.

Sturgil

[skipper]

dlm:
welcome to the forum. there will always be room for just one more
addict! i am sure you will be able to find any of a number of peo-
ple who are, or recently have been exactly where your at. if you
keep posting, i'm sure you will benefit from  this forums knowl-
edgeable membership.

gwh:
damm, that was one fine post of yours, previous to this one. you
certainly seem to "be coming quite along" with your recovery. hey
i'm not being sarcastic or anything like that either....i'm ser-
ious!

both of you, keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[dlm]

First of all, yes I am new to the forum so I'm not really sure how to just post at the top of the page.  Secondly, I didn't mean to sound like I meant "screw detox, just gimme more pills"  I just meant that feeling this way seems like a hard road to travel when I'm used to just getting pills and feeling better.  I decided to get honest yesterday and call my husband at work and finally admit I had a problem.  I then took myself down to Kaiser and begged for help to get me off this.  An hour before my appt. I got a call offering me some much needed vicodin, and I said NO! Not that that was an easy thing to do, but I had convinced myself that this is what I need to do to keep my family intact.  I had never heard of the process of detox, but this has just been pure hell.  I have been severely depressed all day, and have no clue how to deal with it.  It feels very lonely, and I have to thank you guys for taking the time to talk to me.  Good luck you all, and I appreciated the suggestion to start reading my bible.  My husband suggested the same thing today.  I know it's not his problem, but a little encouragent wouldn't hurt I don't think.  Anyway, thanks everyone.  I'll letch know how it turns out.

[mrmichael67]

The clonodine is what is making you feel like you can't move.  I know of one person who was in detox/rehab and was getting out of her room on all fours because of the clonodine.  If I were you I would toss it in the shitcan.  You can get by without it.  And, like I said, you are almost there.  Just keep going.  Before you know it, you will feel so much better.  Just don't pick up again.  It just keeps on getting worse each time you do it.

[mrmichael67]

Sorry GWH but I can't resist, is there a way for someone to insert their post in at the top of the page?  And, I agree.  I think DLM just want more pills and be out of the feeling like ****.  DLM, think of it this way:  You have gone this far, you are probably half way there physically.  You might as well keep on going.