Darvon addiction

[nefesh]

taking pain relievers 23 yrs for headaches,neck pain,arthritis (fmly hist) partly from mtrcycl head injury in coll. under control until 6 yrs ago started taking a.m. increasing dose in mix of codeine 20 mg pill and darvon 50 mg prop w/500 mg tylenol pill up to approx 15 pills of each per day plus percocet 5 mg approx 3/day when avail.,blood tests ok but some liver functions slightly off decided to get help referred to pain clinic/shrink given very low dose methadone as replacement for pills and 30 mg cipralex daily, within short time re-started pills and upped methdn to 25 ml/day and eventually resumed same levels of cod. and darv, after 3 years feeling sicker found rapid detox clinic on web paid plenty for unexpected torture,not only physical pain(bearable torture) also brain pain (unbearable) so after a few days stopped taking the naltrexone which removed brain pain and unfortunately started smaller doses of cod. and darv. again-thanks heaven stayed off the methdn fr good but cod and dar back up to 15+ of ea pr day and 6 perc/day with occ. breaks for up to a week when unavailable.I tried to go cold turkey first day painful but inspiring second day torture eventually gobbled down 7 darv to restore sanity realizing I've gotta get advice/help/pray/plan.  off cod and perc now 4 days, up to 20 darv/day what to do now?  I can get scrip for 30 perc. tom. and try subst. it for the darv a few days rest from all that tylenol. no dough for a comfy detox cntr but I could get away for up to a week. How do I get off the darv? I'm a respectable feller,50,loving,spiritual,funny-please!!

[matine]

Hey how are  you?
You sound a bit on edge. Well you arrived at the right place. We are all on edge here.
You have a week huh. That is good because time is what you need most. First if you could go over my past posts on rapid detox and taper it would save me a great deal of typing. Second can you get a hold of Subonax? If so that would almost solve all your problems. If not then let me know and will take it  from there. Hang in there.

[matine]

By the way the first day is inspiring. Great way to phrase it. Yes the second day is hell.

[vicaddict]

I have been wanting to ask this but keep forgetting. What is this sub. everyone mentions? Also what does it do/what is it for, etc.

Thanks!

[nefesh]

Thanks for such a quick response. I'm going to read what you've written already and will get back to you asap.  with appreciation...

[nefesh]

yes definitely on edge (or under the edge)(or over the edge for that matter).  I doubt I can get the subonax but I can try.  I checked your most recent entries but how do I specifically check out the ones on rapid detox and taper? (can find my way around but kinduva technodummy) you seem to be helping a lot of people which is great - what's happening with your situation? how are you?

[matine]

Cool. Check in with the site later.
As for me. I have hep c and went on a very painful year long treatment using Interferon. Laid me flat. The pain Doc. scripted Oxy, 40 mg 3 times a day, then upped it until I was taking around 250-300 mg a day.  Was HELL. Cut or weened down to 40mg and BOOM hit a brick wall. Doc shot me back up to 50-55mg and held me there. Wasn't doing anything at all except making my mind foggy and keeping me awake so I researched Sub. Found a bonfied clinic 6 day taper using Sub. and bought some after finding on the web a picture of what they look like on the street; bought seven 8mg's. Started cutting them in half and down I went. That was around 10 days ago and so far, well so good. Not super great but good.

If you do get them here is the taper I used
The proper way to take it is wait till you are feeling withdrawal (at lease 12 hours.) the first day and take a 4mg Sub (or adjust downward/upward depending on how much oxy/codine you are ingesting.) Find multivitamins that will help you with detoxing you can find them at any vitamin store and take them through the process. The second day take 2-3 mgs in the morning 2mgs in the afternoon and 2mgs at night. The third day take 2mgs in the morning and 2mgs in the evening. The fourth day take 2mgs in the morning and 1mgs in the evening. The fifth day take 1mg in the morning and 1mg in the evening. On the sixth day take one mg at around 6pm. After that the withdrawal should be gone but if not it will be very easy withdrawal to get through and tylenol will take care of the aches for the next couple days as needed.

Things to bear in mind. Sub is way more powerful then codine, say 4 times so. So you do not want to fool around and get hooked on this stuff.
Can't get them, then we will work out something else. Let me know.

[nefesh]

thanks again for quick response.  do you know how tylenol damage works?  I've been taking mebbe 10K mg. plus per day because I can't get it without the tylenol and I can't get enough perc (with a mere 375mg tyl. per tab) to replace it which might be a bad idea anyway. the codeine tabs are pure but have become a hassle to get - hafta buy them at stores here daily to get enough (20-30)- should I pay to see a Doc (the clinic docs won't do it) and try to get scrips? or at least a scrip for the subs? also: my sleep patterns are totally wacked out - I'm usually tired or unable to sleep. sorry to ask you so much. maybe others will also help. sounds like you're doing pretty well yourself - has the fire in the legs turned to embers yet?

[matine]

A question: you buy codeine over the counter? Are you in Canada?
Tylenol? Yes as a Hep C person, Tylenol is very hard on the liver and my doc will not script anything with it in it. There have been many stories over the past few years  about Tylenol related liver damage. And Johnson & Johnson who manufacture Tylenol has a warning label on the bottles sold over the counter.
I doubt if you will precure Sub. Very diffc. to optain without a Doc. But you can try.
But if you can buy codine over the counter that would help in a taper, well that and willpower and hot baths (hot baths are magic...sliding into  real real hot water is a rush, both painful and eye popping WOW) and walking and a sleeping aid like Lunesta.

[matine]

Oh yes the fire in my legs. The hot baths cleans that right out for about an hour...enough time to clock in 6-8  hours of sleep useing Lunesta.

[nefesh]

sounds like you really know what you're talking about - that in itself is hopeful and reassuring for me... I'm in M.E. (and I'm not an arab). I looked up names of docs on the suboxone site they don't have an overseas list unfortunately) and thought to call and ask if someone knows one over here.  I really want to get off all this stuff that's slowly draining the lifeforce outta me, but it's been long years, I do have physical pain probs (probably not as bad as you)and do you think I can handle the subox? your six day plan sounds almost too good to be true and I'd really like to try... whaddya think?

[matine]

Da, took me a minute to figure out: M. E. Early for me here. (I myself don't care if you are an Arab or from Mars...but I understand here in the born in the U. S. A. some might). I am a foreign correspondent and been to that part of the world. Would not want to live there but is just me, as I have lived in cental america for some years some years ago; I enjoy the latin culture. Was in Mid-east two years ago. But only for a week. I am 57 and a bit long in tooth to be dodging gun-fire. + I have lived to an age where I realy want to live a lot longer much unlike when I was younger and did not give damn.
Anyway I do not have a clue how to obtain Sub. in the M. E. So you will have to do c/t or a taper. You choose and let me know. In either case being able to secure Codn. over the counter is a huge help and if  you do not have  the willpower a huge drawback. But not insurmountable. (Nothing is).
Fade in fade out
One step forward, two steps backward
It is all just slogans
In the end you have to walk that walk
And that is a 'Blackhawk down' kinda week

[nefesh]

shoulda figured from your correspondence that you're a/were a correspondent! - very helpful in this sortuva place... do you think it's worth trying to find a local doc to get some subox, or just get going some other way closer to the now...

[matine]

Yes if you can find Sub. it is worth it. The 8mg tab is orange with N-8 impacted on one side. The other side is scored. Seems to me that a person could almost buy anything in the M.E. I don't know how apt you are at street hustling. But if you cannot find a Doc. then the street is a last resort.

[nefesh]

gonna try the m.d. route based on your recommendation - could take a few days - meanwhile I have a new script for just 30 perc - haven't used any of those in 5 days but I'm taking more Narvocet (darv w/500mg tylenol) which means at least 10K tylenol daily... you think it'd be an idea to stop the darv for 2-3 days and just take the perc, give the liv a break? what happens when you c/t off one or the other?  i.e. I'm using cod., darv., and a little perc for a million years.  now I'm off cod. and perc. for 5 days but I've upped the ante on the darv to compensate somewhat... how's the juggling work?  thank you again deeply for your time... aftee all - what is life, but time??  take care, man

[missylynn]

I am on methodone,have been for many years,i have tried coming down and walking off and doing it by mysef.its so hard i work every day and i am so tired i cant funtion,it is so depressing.plus i am biopolar also!!They are bringing me down off from methodone slowly ,i am at 40mgs and i am so tired,and cranky and just dont feel good can you give me some suggestions?I need your help!Please help me!!Missy

[TrayCee]

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