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Day 2 detox from Cocodamol/Codeine, (Tyrenol 3) Help/Advice please
Hi guys,
So many of you have helped and supported me so far, and I wanted to ask your advice again. I didn't have a bad night at all, managed to get a lot of sleep albeit with strange dreams :(
Anyway, today is proving much tougher as I expected, my legs feel like lead, I have a raging headache and stomach cramps and I'm very teary. I have zero motivation to do anything but anyway, my questions are, would you take a painkiller like a paracetamol for the headache? Or just get on with it? Also, when should I start to take the l-tyrosine, and what dose?
Thanks.
So many of you have helped and supported me so far, and I wanted to ask your advice again. I didn't have a bad night at all, managed to get a lot of sleep albeit with strange dreams :(
Anyway, today is proving much tougher as I expected, my legs feel like lead, I have a raging headache and stomach cramps and I'm very teary. I have zero motivation to do anything but anyway, my questions are, would you take a painkiller like a paracetamol for the headache? Or just get on with it? Also, when should I start to take the l-tyrosine, and what dose?
Thanks.
Thanks Purr, I've not had any "tricks" for a while, so yes, it probably was the mind thing.
Kathy, I'd been at 60mg for around 10 days, but i'd started to increase again, so I knew it was time to jump ship, that's when I found you lovely lot. I was thinking days 3-5 are probably going to be the worst, so thats tomorrow and Saturday. I think the Magnesium supplement is really helping with my jumpy legs, they've been ok so far, and last time that was a real killer for me. I took the l-tyrosine earlier and it felt like a lightbulb had been switched on, my mind felt a lot clearer, and not as fuggy.
Anyway I'm off to bed, I listened to some relaxation music last night before bed, and that with the night nurse and a magnesium tablet really worked. Thanks and see you for Day 3!
Kathy, I'd been at 60mg for around 10 days, but i'd started to increase again, so I knew it was time to jump ship, that's when I found you lovely lot. I was thinking days 3-5 are probably going to be the worst, so thats tomorrow and Saturday. I think the Magnesium supplement is really helping with my jumpy legs, they've been ok so far, and last time that was a real killer for me. I took the l-tyrosine earlier and it felt like a lightbulb had been switched on, my mind felt a lot clearer, and not as fuggy.
Anyway I'm off to bed, I listened to some relaxation music last night before bed, and that with the night nurse and a magnesium tablet really worked. Thanks and see you for Day 3!
Owl, I was just thinking (I know...very dangerous) that it may not be your eyes playing tricks on you....it may be your mind. We all know that opiates really change the chemistry in our brain...especially certain centers (like the pleasure center)....if you start getting blurry vision along with pain behind the eyes I would get it checked out. Otherwise it could be the brain trick OR your eyes are tired. You could try closing your eyes to rest them and put some cucumber slices on your eyes (closed of course) to help sooth them. Not sure if that will help or not....just a thought.
I've got to go now, Joe is awake so I need to check all his vitals and do his lunch. Hope you have another good restful night (though if you sleep good again there may be a riot in here lol)
Take care my friend
Hugz
I've got to go now, Joe is awake so I need to check all his vitals and do his lunch. Hope you have another good restful night (though if you sleep good again there may be a riot in here lol)
Take care my friend
Hugz
Hi again Owl!
So, how many days did you do down to 60mg a day? So glad you didn't go to Methadone cause that would be like from the frying pan into the fire! Unless you would have to go to a clinic everyday, which there was no way I'd ever want to do, you would probably abuse methadone too and that's harder to withdrawal from then Codeine!
I still can't guess what you'll feel like, or how to go forward without knowing how many days you were down to 60mg. instead of 300mg. cause if you were able to taper down like like, successfully, (and codeine is available over the counter in the UK?) OMG, that's really something in itself!
You are around 45 hours with O opiate in your body now? It takes 3-4 days before all the narcotic has metabolized out of your body completely, so, I hate to tell you, but it will get worse, before it gets better. Day 3-10 were the worse for me. The fact that you can buy your drug of choice, over the counter, without a physician concerns me, because if you start experiencing really bad withdrawal symptoms, it's too easy to go get it.
Have you decided, and admitted that you're an addict? If that's your case, get to a meeting! AA, NA, you'll need support by people that have been right where you are! I will have 23 years no alcohol this Feb., and it was AA that got me there. The pain, the surgeries, got me on the narcotics, which is why I no longer say "sobriety" cause the way I learned it, any drink or drug is a relapse, but sometimes, like in my case, we don't have that option. Withdrawal from the opiates was the worst experience of my life, way harder than alcohol! But I would have drank if I didn't have the AA program and people, so I'd suggest that you think about it.
Keep doing what you're doing though! We're here! ❤️ Kathy
So, how many days did you do down to 60mg a day? So glad you didn't go to Methadone cause that would be like from the frying pan into the fire! Unless you would have to go to a clinic everyday, which there was no way I'd ever want to do, you would probably abuse methadone too and that's harder to withdrawal from then Codeine!
I still can't guess what you'll feel like, or how to go forward without knowing how many days you were down to 60mg. instead of 300mg. cause if you were able to taper down like like, successfully, (and codeine is available over the counter in the UK?) OMG, that's really something in itself!
You are around 45 hours with O opiate in your body now? It takes 3-4 days before all the narcotic has metabolized out of your body completely, so, I hate to tell you, but it will get worse, before it gets better. Day 3-10 were the worse for me. The fact that you can buy your drug of choice, over the counter, without a physician concerns me, because if you start experiencing really bad withdrawal symptoms, it's too easy to go get it.
Have you decided, and admitted that you're an addict? If that's your case, get to a meeting! AA, NA, you'll need support by people that have been right where you are! I will have 23 years no alcohol this Feb., and it was AA that got me there. The pain, the surgeries, got me on the narcotics, which is why I no longer say "sobriety" cause the way I learned it, any drink or drug is a relapse, but sometimes, like in my case, we don't have that option. Withdrawal from the opiates was the worst experience of my life, way harder than alcohol! But I would have drank if I didn't have the AA program and people, so I'd suggest that you think about it.
Keep doing what you're doing though! We're here! ❤️ Kathy
Hi Owl.....Hubby is sick today so I'm mainly taking care of him. Just wanted to stop by and say hi, see how you are doing. I'm so proud of you already....you have the determination to see this through and you are humble enough to listen to those here who have been clean for a long time. If you listen to their advice you can and will succeed!
Take care of yourself okay? Hopefully J will be better tomorrow...I'll be around and about occasionally but not for long periods of time until he is better. Don't worry...he does this occasionally...this time he lasted 6 weeks which is a huge improvement...before he was getting sick about every 2 to 3 weeks.
Hugz
Take care of yourself okay? Hopefully J will be better tomorrow...I'll be around and about occasionally but not for long periods of time until he is better. Don't worry...he does this occasionally...this time he lasted 6 weeks which is a huge improvement...before he was getting sick about every 2 to 3 weeks.
Hugz
I've already met two people from the UK on here who had the exact same experience as me with the Dr prescribing methadone for a codeine addiction. One took the Drs advice and one didn't. Unfortunately there seems to be a number of people in my position over here and very little support. Thanks for the addiction info, I'm a great reader so I'll start searching. I've learnt so much on here already.
I am so glad you didn't go to methadone, that is my drug of choice. Instead of weeks to recover physically, it would have been months. You have made the right decision there. I didn't know your doctor suggested that, he is not very smart, IMO. Using methadone to treat codeine addiction is like killing a fly with a shotgun, it does way more damage than the original problem.
Most of us learn the hard way that addiction is and I thing and recovery is a WE thing. I think most of us tried it on our own at first. It's humiliating to admit we lost control. Something that helped me with accepting the fact I lost control was learning about the pleasure pathways of the brain and addiction. I slept about 10 hours the first 20 days of my detox, that tells you how fun methadone detox is. I read and read and read during that time. I like to explain losing control this way:
If you were thinking about what you were going to do tomorrow as you walked down the street and accidentally stepped in front of a racing bus, the part of your brain that thinks of the future is cut off by the cerebral cortex, the fight or flight part of the brain. You would no longer be thinking about tomorrow, or anything for that matter. The only thought one has is, "Move! or die." When we are in a life threatening situation, our brain shuts down, accept the parts needed to survive. After enough time of using opiates or any drug, our brain thinks of detox as a speeding bus, the frontal lobe is cut off. Ideas of the future, consequences, morality are all cut off as we experience withdrawals. Addiction is not a moral dilemma, it is a physical change in our brains that make us do things we wouldn't do by nature.
I did lots of things on drugs, which I am not proud of, but I have come to understand why I did those things. That has helped me accept it a lot. So, when you feel you can, you might want to study up on addiction and the new science that has proven how and why we lose control and do the things we do on drugs. I discovered I took the first opiate for way more reasons than just pain in my back. I believe the number of reasons increased as time passed. Anyway, just something to consider.
Most of us learn the hard way that addiction is and I thing and recovery is a WE thing. I think most of us tried it on our own at first. It's humiliating to admit we lost control. Something that helped me with accepting the fact I lost control was learning about the pleasure pathways of the brain and addiction. I slept about 10 hours the first 20 days of my detox, that tells you how fun methadone detox is. I read and read and read during that time. I like to explain losing control this way:
If you were thinking about what you were going to do tomorrow as you walked down the street and accidentally stepped in front of a racing bus, the part of your brain that thinks of the future is cut off by the cerebral cortex, the fight or flight part of the brain. You would no longer be thinking about tomorrow, or anything for that matter. The only thought one has is, "Move! or die." When we are in a life threatening situation, our brain shuts down, accept the parts needed to survive. After enough time of using opiates or any drug, our brain thinks of detox as a speeding bus, the frontal lobe is cut off. Ideas of the future, consequences, morality are all cut off as we experience withdrawals. Addiction is not a moral dilemma, it is a physical change in our brains that make us do things we wouldn't do by nature.
I did lots of things on drugs, which I am not proud of, but I have come to understand why I did those things. That has helped me accept it a lot. So, when you feel you can, you might want to study up on addiction and the new science that has proven how and why we lose control and do the things we do on drugs. I discovered I took the first opiate for way more reasons than just pain in my back. I believe the number of reasons increased as time passed. Anyway, just something to consider.
Thanks Weaver, I'm trying not to feel too sorry for myself, and keep busy, I'm not at work this week which is ideal, as I really don't have any motivation to do anything :(
Kathy, I was taking around 300mg of codeine per day, I managed to taper this down to 60mg and took my last tablets 45 hours ago. I did try doing it myself around 3 months ago when I realised these pills were ruling my life. But at that point I hadn't admitted my addiction to anyone, not even my husband. I failed miserably, I think I got to day 4 and just bought as much over the counter codeine as I could. I was a mess and realised I needed help. My Dr wasn't greatly helpful, and suggested I go to a Methadone clinic which I admit scared me. Then I discovered you lovely guys on here. I've listened to everything everyone's suggested, tried most things, delayed making the final jump until I had all the different supplements etc, and now here I am. It's taking me a while to do the normal things, like typing etc, talking too, but I feel strong, and I'm overwhelmed by the support. Thank you.
Kathy, I was taking around 300mg of codeine per day, I managed to taper this down to 60mg and took my last tablets 45 hours ago. I did try doing it myself around 3 months ago when I realised these pills were ruling my life. But at that point I hadn't admitted my addiction to anyone, not even my husband. I failed miserably, I think I got to day 4 and just bought as much over the counter codeine as I could. I was a mess and realised I needed help. My Dr wasn't greatly helpful, and suggested I go to a Methadone clinic which I admit scared me. Then I discovered you lovely guys on here. I've listened to everything everyone's suggested, tried most things, delayed making the final jump until I had all the different supplements etc, and now here I am. It's taking me a while to do the normal things, like typing etc, talking too, but I feel strong, and I'm overwhelmed by the support. Thank you.
Hi, wanted to ask how much codeine were you taking everyday, cause that makes a difference in how long the detox will take. If you're typing though, Geeze you're doing well already! I was on Fentanyl patches 100mg. Change every 3rd day when I went in to detox and I did nothing but vomit and shake and **** for 4 days straight with Suboxon at the hospital detox center, so it already seems like you're doing great! The England comment, really great, so we know the time is different, I'm in Oregon, US...it's 8:44 AM. Let me know if I can help you...I'm just laying here trying to relieve my back pain with my massager watching the boob tube! ❤️Kathy
Laughter is great medicine, I'm glad my dose of humor worked for you.All the symptoms and recovery time are the same, if people ask about it, you can play "I've got the flu card." It's not ideal, but the result is very worth it, whatever it takes to get through this week. Some of the symptoms we just has to bare, take your supplements and try not to focus on how you feel. You are doing all the right things, so just stay distracted and let time pass. This is a huge lesson in patience, but it will come in handy during your new sober life. You are doing great. The fact that you are taking advice serious and so determined is really amazing. I was too stubborn to listen for way too long. You get this thing!
Just taken 1000mg L-tyrosine, so I'll see if it has any effect, I'll try and cope with the headache for the moment, I'm taking night nurse to help me sleep and that has paracetamol, I'll be taking that in 4 hrs anyway, try and get an early night. By the way I'm UK based if you're thinking "whats she doing going to bed in the middle of the day"!
Thanks for all the advice guys, and Weaver that really made me laugh :)) I've had some Greek yoghurt and mango today, with all the vitamins, not started the imodium or tylenol, so I'll give that a go now. I'm really pleased I slept last night, I'm a great sleeper most of the time anyway, it's the jumpy legs that get me, and I think tapering has probably had a big effect from the last time I tried going cold turkey, with no supplements/info or support. 'm taking a magnesium supplement for that and it does seem to have really helped. I took an Epsom salt bath this morning and I managed to meditate for a little while after which settled me. My eyes are playing tricks on me though, is this normal too? I know it's different for everyone but any ideas how long this will last?
The teary eyes often lead into constant yawning. Opiates effect just about every cell in the body, so all kinds of weird things start happening. Just ride it out, it is very temporary and you will be feeling much better in a few days. I agree with the answer to your questions above. We usually don't know exactly how strong we are, until it is all over. You will feel like you can do anything after this. This is a trial that will make you a better person over all, don't forget that. Try to get out in the sun for awhile and keep moving, and don't forget to keep us posted on your progress. This moment you are doing the most important thing you could be, if you simply don't use codeine today and nothing else gets done, you have made a total success of this day. Everything else can work itself out later, just get free of these drugs. Way to go, you are doing awesome. We are all cheering you on. Go girl! Go!, now imagine this middle age man jumping up in the air with pom poms and trying to land in the splits, Ouch, he groans, Go team sobriety! Gimme an S....
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Good morning to u. Im quite impressed with the fact that u got some sleep, actually quite jealous b/c i sure didnt sleep when i was at your date!!! I would definatly take tylenol or motrin (i used the motrin and took 4 200mg) nothing with codeine, but technically thats amount is no different than the 800mg motrin? Start the immodium as well, however, are u eating enough to where the vitamins and motrin, etc...arent whats eating your stomach up?? Just be careful with that...u must put something in your stomach before u start taking all this stuff. Now the l-tyrosine, take on an empty stomach approx. 1 hour before u eat.
Keep pushing...push, push, push!!!!
Keep pushing...push, push, push!!!!
Hi there Owl! First and foremost, a huge congratulations on reclaiming your life and on your clean time. As far as the headache and body aches go, I personally see nothing wrong with taking some over the counter meds to try and get a little relief. Either Tylenol (Paracetamol- just be sure there is no codeine in it!) or Ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil). A nice hot bath with epsom salts can really help with the body aches and also the anxiety/stressed feeling. This might in turn help your headache a little by relaxing you. Another good thing to try for the headache is an ice pack on the back of your neck at the base of your skull. Try to leave it on for at least 15 minutes. It's great for stress headaches.
Now, as far as the L-Tyrosine goes, I would say to go ahead and start that now. It will help with healing, so the sooner the better. The recommended dosage is 1,000 mgs per day, so that sounds like a good place to start. Maybe also add in at least a multivitamin and be sure you are getting plenty of lean protein, whether through diet or protein shakes or supplements.
Just remember that this is temporary! You will feel better again and this will all be worth it. Hang in there and keep posting for support. You are doing great! :)
Now, as far as the L-Tyrosine goes, I would say to go ahead and start that now. It will help with healing, so the sooner the better. The recommended dosage is 1,000 mgs per day, so that sounds like a good place to start. Maybe also add in at least a multivitamin and be sure you are getting plenty of lean protein, whether through diet or protein shakes or supplements.
Just remember that this is temporary! You will feel better again and this will all be worth it. Hang in there and keep posting for support. You are doing great! :)
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