Day 4?

[IThinkICan]

I know from reading these posts I have gotten off easily this time. I also know that about 2 years ago I went through what most go through from withdrawal. But at the time I though I had the worse virus I had ever had. I had ran out at a time when I was taking a lot more than I take now. And I got so sick. Sicker than I had ever been.

This time has been easy. Physically easy. I amaze myself at how often I am thinking about Lortabs though. I had Panic Attacks for years. Horrible ones. Almost making me housebound for a time. Then they stopped, completely stopped. I know it was from the Lortabs. I thought that at the time and have since done research and I believe that feeling of well-being is what stopped the PA's. I haven't had any since coming off the meds. I just hope and pray I don't. I could never go back to that kind of life.

I read you all and are amazed by your courage. I am not sure I have that kind of courage. I have wrist pain that the meds really did stop, but then I started taking the medicine for a 'feeling' instead of for the pain.

My question is this. Once you have gotten to that point, is there a going back? Could I go back to taking them as prescribed and that is all. Is that possible?

I hope you are all doing well today. In a few short days I find myself cheering for all your successes and hoping that you make it through this pain. Thank you again for all your support.

I think I can, I think I can,
K

[momonhydros]

hi my names nancy i too am addicted to lortab take about 5 a day for herniated disk with sciatica, tried to stop lots of times cant handle the withdrawl especailly the anxiety. i suffer from panic attacks also and i was so afraid of having them again when i stop taking the meds, that i had my script filled again, and again and again. you know the routine im sure. dont know what to tell you except i know what its like to have panic also and i know how horrible it is so hang in there hopefully you wont start having them again. your stonger than me because i cant even get the balls to stop taking these things. good luck to you!

[IThinkICan]

Hi Nancy,
Well I don't think it had anything to do with balls ;) More like no damn choice cause I ran out.  And when I ran out I realized I was tired of being chained to counting white pills everyday always hoping I miscounted and had more than I thought.

I take Prosac for the panic and although it helped it never controlled it completely. But honestly, I have had NO panic in 3 years. Things that would have sent me on a full blown PA don't bother me in the least. It's weird, I have always been one to think "This happened for a reason" but I could never figure out the reason I almost cut my wrist off and now have to deal with pain forever more. But maybe it was to stop the Panic. *shrugs* I don't know but I do know they work on Panic Attacks.

As long as you take what you need and you can deal with it, I would think it was fine. It is when you start taking more and more and more to get a 'feeling' instead of just pain relief. I hope I am able to go back to the girl who took them for the right reason. But I don't know..it is scary.

Thanks for the response and hugs to you.

K

[mrmichael67]

It can be done, but it is not easy.  I know Bmac managed to do it.  And, I am sure there are others.  It is a very disciplined venture.  There are many that have a serious dilema.  They have chronic pain and if they get clean, they have a life of miserable pain ahead of them.  Some have managed to start to take the meds properly, but most can't go back.  They manage to go a stretch taking them right, but fall back into the abyss after a while.  It can be done, but a serious plan must be in place.  The problem is, there aren't too many options available for one to take them properly once they have abused.  You can have someone doll them out.  Or, some can go on methadone.  But, I do not advise that for you.  Methadone is a last resort and in your case, it is not indicated.....except for a 21 day detox.

[IThinkICan]

Thanks MrMichael,
That is what scares me the most. That I will start taking them as prescribed and soon be right back where I am. Which in all honesty isn't as bad as alot I have read.

I told myself a couple of days ago "Next time you want to take 3 or 4 instead of 2, REMEMBER the last few days" But unfortunately we have a tendency to forget how bad it really felt.

I will try to find some posts from BMac and see how they did it.

Thanks again for the words of support.

K :)

[Esmith28]

Hey I can toally relate, it is very hard to go back but like Mike said it CAN be done. Tell me more about that wrist..yikes. I have disc problems and have somewhat chronic pin, and the cycle is viscious..I didnt get "addcicted" until this year..I was able to take like 2 in the morning (when I a in he most pain)and not touch them again all day...but something happened his past summer..I took them for he high and took them all day ong and it has been a battle ever since...30 used to last me close to two weeks..not the last maybe 5 days...sad situation we are all in...but we will survive...and hopefully overcome and live a truely FREE life..
god Bless!

[sabian]

From my own experience, I can't take ANY opiates; if I try to take them as prescribed, whether it be Lortab or Oxycontin, or any other opiate, I always abuse them very quickly.  I think most people who are addicted to opiates, like myself, can't take any at all.  Also, it doesn't take long to get to the tolerance level where I was before I quit.  In other words, try your best not to   take them.  You know the old saying, "One is too many, but a thousand ain't enough"!!!  I do know what you are going through, and I wish you the best in your recovery efforts.

[hippy]

just got my computer back up,
was down for 3 weeks, all is good.

peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hippy

[bmac]

Damn man I thought you had decided to leave all of us. Good to know it was just computer problems. I am glad to see you back, you have been missed my brother............bmac

[FINISHED!!]

I'm in a boat next to your's...floating down a calm river...the rapids are within earshot but not yet in sight. I have had more surgeries than I choose to recall. More broken bones than hair folicles. More injuries than not. I have real pain...legitimate pain...PAIN PAIN PAIN. (if that's not a dirty 4 letter word...what is?) I abused my meds in the worst way. (as opposed to the best way?) I was taking anywhere from 20 to 30 Vicodin ES 7.5/750's a day. Sometimes 6 pills per swallow...mmmmm. I got clean cold turkey back in the middle of last year not due to a lack of meds or $$$ but because I chose to do so...I kinda enjoy living. I got clean...stayed clean & SNAP!!! I shatter my ankle & break my wrist...Oh the humanity. I had a few more pieces of titanium added to my extinsive & growing collection. Yes I took meds. Yes I take meds. No I don't abuse meds. Fact is...I detoxed with a few bottles of poison in the house. It can be done. You have to be 100% sure that you're ready, willing & wanting to be "clean." I knew I was because I could've fell back into the pool of euphoria at anytime...but didn't. Some people have pain. If you KNOW you're ready to take your meds for pain relief & pain relief ONLY...you should be O.K. I chose a life without pain & without euphoria over a life with pain & with euphoria. As all know here...the more you take, the less they work...kinda like city workers. Your mind can be your worst enemy or your best ally. As long as you're not fooling yourself for the purpose of taking pills, there is the possibility that you can maintain pain relief without abuse. There is also the possibility that you can start off like most did in the beginning...take them as prescribed then abuse them as not. The answer really lies within yourself. ARE YOU 100% SURE YOU CAN MAINTAIN? If not...I don't advise trying.

FINISHED!!

[hippy]

thanks, yea i got i virus and it shut down my system,
my computer aked me for windows 2000 disc but my son took it off to collage, so i had a freid burn  me xt 2000.
now i have to find my way back to the other fourm too.

peace!!!!!!!!!!!
keep america beautiful
stay clean

and overcome evil with good.

[Bink]

Hi ALL!  First, I am very grateful for the experience of all of you wonderful people on this board who have paved the way for scaredy cats like me!  I have a "problem" with oxycodone.  I have purchased the L-Tyrosine for helping with the aftermath of depression and lack of energy.  Am I correct in assuming that it has helped others with both of these?  My one concern is that after I got the bottle home, I noticed that it has a disclaimer that states to use caution with/or not to use with MAO inhibitors and "other mood altering" substances.  I take 100 mg of Zoloft per day.  As you probably already know, Zoloft is NOT the MAO, but the SSRI like prozac, etc.  I was wondering if anyone has successfully been able to take it while staying on their Zoloft/Paxil/Prozac and if so, tell me some success stories.  I get really, really sad and energyless while/after detoxing.  I sooooo want this to help me!!!  If you could briefly explain how it works chemically (or whatever) or if you think that it could be dangerous to take with my Zoloft.  I understand that you (Thomas) are not a doctor, but I'd imagine that many others have been on antidepressants while detoxing with Thomas's recipe.  I'd love to hear from as many people who have tried this ingredient as possible!  Thanks!!!!
P.S.  Aren't I supposed to start this around Day 4 or 5?

[vettezr1]

Dude, I hear ya. but I got to ask.
I do have legit pain , lots of the same surgeries as you. But won't I get sick again if I take this ****, the pain docs want me to and I am pretty miserable from the pain, but I got so god damn sick from stopping this **** ,I dont fear I will abuse it, but if I take it even a little like Vics wont that put me back into WD if I dont take it after a few days??????

[Erika_Ann]

Ive been on anti-depressants for years. and ive detoxed a few times with them in my system before and after. You should be fine. I used thomas03 recipe this last detox and i was fine. I am on the same mg as you are. Good luck buddy. I will be thinking about you and your recovery. Hope all goes well. Im not on this website very much anymore because of the bickering, but i will check back to see how you are doing. Take care! And by the way, thomas is very very helpful and knowledgable so hopefully he will answer to this as well.
Luv-Erika

[hippy]

hey, hippy here, i used the recipe and took it asap
before i even stoped taking the pills cold turkey.
i started feeling better in some ways right away.
the pills depleted my body of so many nutrients.
i will have a year off the pills the last day of this month.
i went cold turkey march 3o or 31 last year i think it was
good friday.
the l-tyrosine i took as recomended 8 a day all at once in the morning along with the b-6 and the rest of the receipe and after the 1st week i cut the l-tyrosine down to 4 a day because it made me to jittery, but definatly gave me enough enery to get up and go to work in my 1st 2 weeks  clean,, which were
by the way very difficult with restless legs and body and the lack of sleep .
also the 1st month was very uncomfortable, but do-able.
where as in previous attemps at going cold turkey i faid completly because of the severe depression and totol lack of energy. the recipe helped imeasurably with tese stumbling blocks.
hot baths helped with the restless leg and body.

good luck
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hippy

[lisabet]

Glad to see you back on board!!!!  I've been wondering where you were - we've all missed your kind support and wisdom...glad you're back....it's been kind of erratic here the past week or so....SO glad to to have your calming influence back.  Love, Lisabet

[pammy0690]

I have been able to go from abusing oxycotin about 120mg a day to only taking two 10/550 hydrocodone a day.  I have chronic pain from a dislocated jaw.  I found that it wasn't really that hard to go from that high of a dose down to less than I am prescribed.  The first few days were hard but I tapered off slowly and within a few weeks I was stable on the two a day.  I started working out that really helped and staying busy helped with the cravings.  I think if you are determined to end the cycle of abuse than you can take meds as prescribed after abusing them.  Pamela

[IThinkICan]

Thanks for all the responses! Pammy, I am glad to see that it is doable. What I would like to be able to do is not necessary take the '2 a day' prescribed, but ONLY take them when I really need them, which would at times be less than 2 a day.

Today is Day 5 and today is a good day. yes my wrist hurts but I am living with it. I know it will get worse but I am still not sure what I should do. In a perfect world I could take them as I needed them. Unfortunately this is NOT a perfect world. :/

Have a great weekend all and thank you again for making me feel so welcome.

Hugs,
K

[pammy0690]

I may be wrong but at day five the physical stuff should start to fade.  Then the mental part kicks in.  Try to keep active.  Do as much as you can without wiping yourself out.  I find if I sit too long and dwell the worse I felt.  But sometimes you feel so bad that you physically can't do anything active.  Good luck to you!  Please keep us updated with your progress and I KNOW you can!  Pammy

[Hope2beewise]

Hello ALl, Im new to this group. This site is very encouraging and helpfull. When I was 13 I suffered 3rd degree burns over 65% of my body. Needless to say, I had a Morphine Drip, PCA Pump, and after a year in the hospital and physical rehab, I was taking Morphine 12 hour release tabs while attending 8th grade. Time went on and I got married.  I am now 25 and I had a bad dental surgery where they hit a nerve in my mouth and there was nothing they could do but kill the nerve and I would lose motion of my upper lip. I was taking 320mg of MS Contin a day along with 15mg of MSIR every four hours.  That was the hardest detox I have ever went thru. Recently my wife and I were hit from behind in a car accident and I was prescribed Lortab 5's.  Of course I took like 4 at a time instead of 1, but this led to me back in the drug zone, hunting up pills, and buying them illeagally.  I came to truths with my wife and told her. She almost left me. I am rambling I know, sorry. But I am now almost 48 hours since my last pill. The detox isn't so bad this time, however I do have chills, headaches, and depression. I take Remeron at night, and Klonopin regularly as prescribed and I was wanting to know this Thompson Recipe? I have searched and I cannot find it. Been taking vitamins, etc.. I have no energy, so I tried chucking a few Red Bulls (energy drinks) and maybe a little difference.  But if someone could post or email me the Thompson Recipe, or some other things that would help with the detox I would love you all. My email address is ***@****  

P.S. Im better than any pill! :)

[percsnomas]

Hope, i posted this the other day for you....

man you've been thru it!!!  
oxic
(13-Mar-03)  Hope2bewise / rodewc Hope: here is the recipe, copied and pasted direct from Thomas:Thomas Detox Recipe

PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas

This recipe is designed for cold turkey opiate detox. It assumes that you can get about 5 to 7 days away from your job or household responsibilities during which you can sleep, veg and act as miserable as you feel. Opiate WD mimics the symptoms of the common flu, so, if you need a smokescreen, hide behind a bad case of the flu.

If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.

For the Recipe, You'll need:

1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

2. Imodium (immodium) (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.

5. Vitamin B6 caps.

6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

How to use the recipe:

Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

Use the Imodium (immodium) aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

With breakfast, take the mineral supplement.

As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.

PLEASE NOTE: If you have any medical complications, first check with your doctor before detoxing to verify that this regimen is safe for you.
GOOD LUCK WITH THE DETOX, and keep us posted!!

[kilo]

Sounds like you've been through hell and back. Below is the recipe. Thomas's nickname is Thomas03. He possess a ton of knowledge and quite sincere in helping others out. Your right about one thing...you are better than any pill. Good Luck.  Peace

Kilo


Thomas Detox Recipe

PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas

This recipe is designed for cold turkey opiate detox. It assumes that you can get about 5 to 7 days away from your job or household responsibilities during which you can sleep, veg and act as miserable as you feel. Opiate WD mimics the symptoms of the common flu, so, if you need a smokescreen, hide behind a bad case of the flu.

If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.

For the Recipe, You'll need:

1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

2. Imodium (immodium) (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.

5. Vitamin B6 caps.

6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

How to use the recipe:

Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

Use the Imodium (immodium) aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

With breakfast, take the mineral supplement.

As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.

PLEASE NOTE: If you have any medical complications, first check with your doctor before detoxing to verify that this regimen is safe for you.

[Hope2beewise]

Thanks You Guys for your Posts.  I got the Vitamin B. But I will have to make a 13 mile trek for the final ingredient.  Tomorrow is Day 3 and I already feel much better. Feels good to stop and actually smell the air. You guys are great.

Good Luck To All

P.S. Everyone is BETTER than a Pill!

[IThinkICan]

Just wanted to say I LOVE your attitude! I think that is alot of the battle. Good luck to you. You sound so positive. ;)

I too, used Thomas's recipe and my w/d was honestly no big deal. At least the physical part of it. Now comes the harder part.

You are an inspiration. To have gone through so much and still be so upbeat. I am here, rooting you on!!!

Hugs,
K

[Bink]

Thanks to all, so much for your input, not just on this thread, but in general.  I've been reading your posts for a long time now.  I really admire you guys and all of the other  people on here that are so helpful and have made this battle so much easier.  It's nice to go into this detox challenge armed and PREPARED with truthful information because it's a ROUGH RIDE!  Thanks again so much!   btw, there are some really knowledgeable people on here.  I could go on and on in the names, bodymech, etc. but not enough room! I just want you all to know how grateful I am that I can come here and find genuine help when things get scary.  THANKS!

[FINISHED!!]

In my experience, if you take a pill or 2 occaisionally, you should not feel any withdrawls. I've taken them for a few days at a time, as many as 4 a day (vike 7.5/750) & stopped without any symptoms. I'm sure that everyone is different in this but that's what I've been through. After my recent surgery, I was taking them daily for about a month & a half & DID feel withdrawls but NOWHERE near what I felt during my original detox. The difference being that I WAS abusing but I wasn't the second go around. My Mom has taken vikes 7.5/750 for over ten years daily (no more than 4 a day but usually 3) & has gone a few days without & has never felt w/d's. So I'd say that some are different than others. You ever notice that if you have more pills, you don't feel w/d's after a few hours (knowing there's more) but if you don't have the pills, you start to feel the w/d's a lot sooner? Or is that just me? I hope you can maintain a pain free life without addiction. The only thing that came close to the misery I felt in being addicted was tha misery I felt in being in pain. Take care.

FINISHED!!

[vettezr1]

Thanks, I decided to not take the pills, its not that I crave them or even think of them, I just don't want to ever get this sick again. Dude I took the bike out today, dropped it twice. I hate breaking freggin clutch perches. Damn I am sore and out of shape. Could hardly stand on the bike for long. But it was still worth it. I didn't know you just had surgery again sorry to hear that. I also took the ZR out today, damn I miss my life.
They want to fuse my back again I broke the last one but I dont want to miss jet ski season,. I am going to try this pain managment clinic that swears to god they can help with no drugs of any kind, will keep you posted.

[vettezr1]

O you asked me a question, I didn't answer, yes I have a whole bottle of 7.5 Viks, I think there is 30 and a whole bottle of the injectable morphine , had it the whole time I went through the WD's but had no urge to take it, I figured if I ever break something or smash myself to a pulp I would have it to get through the intial pain, becuase I will die before I go to the worthless ER. But like I said I am not afraid of the drugs or the urge to use them , I am afraid to get this Fu#$ sick ever again, it really sucked , I still dont know if its real pain in my legs and back from the operations or pain the people talk about here from WD, its like pins and needels in my feet and legs, keeps me up at night but thats what I also had when I broke my back, so I just don;t know, its been a month clean now but someone here said he had the WD's for months??????
Take care.

[FINISHED!!]

Well...Give yourself a pat on the back. Not many people can show the level of not only restraint, but recovery that you have. A good friend of mine that I met here (Rex1 to those who have been around long enough to know him...we talk pretty much daily on the phone) showed the same strength as you have. He has REAL pain but knows that at this time, he CANNOT take ANY pills without relapse...Though he has access. Maybe in time he'll overcome that. I may be a rare case in that I can & HAVE taken meds & have yet to abuse them. I'm very much at a point in my distorted life where I can relieve pain without fear of swallowing a bottle a day. I hope that you too will reach that point but in the meantime...I applaude you my friend. As far as the vett...I just bought my fiance a 2003 Z06 in October. GREAT ride. I'm SERIOUSLY considering selling the truck & buying one myself. Since I've retired from the Moto/ Supercross scene...I've really no need for a HUGE truck...I also need a new source of "RUSH" & think a new Z06 will do nicely. Where ya from Vett...maybe we can arrange a DRAG RACE or two. I still have a full supercross style track, freeride course & many trails at one of my houses so if you're ever in the Southern California area, we should get together & crank out a few laps. That's how I shattered my ankle. In the third turn on my track, you have about 15 feet before hitting a 75' triple...bike bogged halfway up the face...cased the landing...pitched over the bars...GOOD TIMES...GOOD TIMES. Let me know where you're at. Always have room for a fellow moto-cat at my place.

FINISHED!!

[vettezr1]

Z06, wow dude do you have a brother? Just kidding. the 06's are awesome. I went with the Z becuase I have a rippie 368, 700HP engine. Needles to  say being the ******* I can be I drive it to work almost daily. Nothing like driving a 9 second car to work.
I live in Conn, its finally getting warm, a little. I took out my Ninja yesterday that even hurt. I could take the meds I am sure without ever abusing them, but I am just not intrested right now. I bought a tense unit from Empi it shocks my back and seems to distract me from some of the pain. I still feel weak as hell not sure if my daughters made me sick as well. I have two girls I raise by myself. I thought boys were tough but try raising girls when you are a guy. I do not have any desire to know about woman stuff. I am starting up power lifting again becuase the oldest thinks she is going to date??? yea Italian dad 6ft 258lbs and not fat. So I would hate to be any guy she would be intrested in, plus I gotta say I am a little more crabby now. When the hell will I stop aching? its in my shoulders and arms, and back and legs? does it get better?

[FINISHED!!]

Yea...I think I'll go out & start pricing the Z06. It's a blast to drive. Right now, I'm driving a 2003 Ford F-350 4 door, 4x4 long bed truck on 38" tires & a 6" lift. I've got the Banks Kit & it makes my truck pretty damn fast. I've actually smoked many of those annoying little Hondas. Not bad for a diesel. You have a crotch rocket too? I still have a GSXR 750 (built by yoshimura) that Suzuki was nice enough to comp me in 1998. It's a little quick. As far as the aches...they might get better...they might not. Mine never have. Well that's not exactly true. The aches from the detoxing were over in about 30 days or so but the aches from the surgeries & broken bones are still screaming up & down my nervous system. Cracking lap after lap & hucking every kicker on the track. So depending on if your pain is from the injuries or the detox, it may be over soon...or not. How's that for a round about answer with no real outcome? Sorry. Take care & keep the rubber side down.

FINISHED!!

[vettezr1]

Damn, that’s a sweet truck I just picked up a Ram 2500 with the V-10 for my tow vehicle. I built a monster GMC full size older SUV with a 502 big block and Turbo 400.
It tows great but with the 35 swampers I get 2 MPG, and at $2.05 a gallon down here it’s not practical.    Yea I have a Ninja 900 but it has a muzzy 1200cc kit. I can tell we must be related. I have broke so many bones and have so much titanium when archeologists dig up my ass they are going to think we had Cyborgs in the year 2000.
Screw drug addiction, we need to figure out why we beat ourselves to death with this insane power/speed thing. Even my CR-500 is stroked out to 580cc no one will even try my dirt bike because they think I am crazy. Dude if you get the Z06 get the cold air ram kit and the Rippie chip. It will stomp a Viper. Add the Borla exhaust and some 375 in the back and you will dip into the high 11’s. See I have a problem.

[teeitup]

Ola Finished, sounds like your hanging in there. I've been checking on you through Rex for a while. Take care!

Looks like the same good things are taking place at the forum. To all the new members, listen good there are a lot of good people here that can help you if you listen.

Be nice to each other and good things will happen!

teeitup!

[MrsRat]

Now you know better than to talk about cars with a motorhead like me reading these posts don't ya?  I can feel the aching into my bones wanting to be behind the wheel with the 'pedal to the metal' as they say.  *sigh*  Not gonna happen with our income though, so I'll stick with the city bus and you are gonna have to keep posting, so I can live thru you when you get the car.

Of course if you find a 2 for 1 deal, just take that extra one and drive it to the right for about 6 hours and drop it off on my doorstep.  LOL.

Drop me some email when you get time and we'll catch up on things since we haven't crossed paths in chat for the past couple of weeks.  I'm in mostly afternoons and evenings now and sleeping during the morning hours....back on the hubby's schedule finally, so we get to see more of each other. LOL.  Gotta love us crazy 3rd shifters.

[FINISHED!!]

We still have a round of golf to play don't we? I'm hoping that things are good for you. Rex has told me that you've been asking about me. I've sent you some e-mails but you may not have gotten them. Let me know. I just got out yesterday & played a round for the first time in a few weeks & played...well, lets just say I played. Take care partner.

FINISHED!!

[Erika_Ann]

Teeitup- I WAS SOOOO HAPPY TO SEE YOU HERE! Ive missed you!
Where the heck have you been?  WE MISS YOU!
write soon-----Love Erika

[teeitup]

Yeah I miss y'all too! Been traveling for work, kids, life in general. Sticking to my low dosage for the most part, a few back slides here and there. I've been reading but not posting.

Did not get any emails Finished, try again ***@****. I've got an idea I'd like to run by you, and would like some advise on how to pursue.

teeitup!