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Depression from Opiate Withdrawl
Everyone I have ever known or heard of that got off any opiates was left with severe depression. Is this a standard side effect and how long will it last and how is it best treated? My friend's nephew just went to an addiction doctor who gave him buprenorphine injections and other scripts to get off pain pills. When he asked about an anti-depressant the doctor said "no mood enhancers for addicts." This seems unusual to me.
I stopped cold turkey 3 weeks ago from morphine and have not been myself lately. I have been depressed, forgetfull and just been on this bummer mood thing. I can only assume that this is part of withdraws for me. Has anyone had similar problems?
I am hoping that this will pass soon as the depression has goten to the point that I don't want to get out of bed and if I could I would just sleep all day long.
Nutty in Ca.
I am hoping that this will pass soon as the depression has goten to the point that I don't want to get out of bed and if I could I would just sleep all day long.
Nutty in Ca.
HEY SPOOK ,I KIDNAPPED A PIECE OF YOUR POST,AFTER,"REMEMBER.I ALSO LIKE CRIS'S INFO.PEOPLE NEED FACTS AND ENCOURAGEMENT.POST OPIODE ADDICTION WORLD IS IN A CRITICAL STAGE .
Try Niacin! It is used as a homeopathic therapy for depression. Taken in larger than average doses (2-4) pills a day, or in lots of Niacin rich organic foods for as long as needed will almost always cure a depressive state of mind. The side effects of niacin will be much less harmful than those of prescription ADs. I hope the best for you and your recovery.
Well written. I enjoyed your colourful, seemingly truthful explanation of your thoughts/feelings:) Stay happy my friend.
I really needed to hear that right now. Thank you for taking the time to write exactly the thing that would give me hope. cheesy, i know, but i'm emotional damn it.
kt
kt
The best thing one can do to deal with post opiate depression and withdrawal are the usual no brainers and many are free or inexpensive.
1. First, get PLENTY OF SLEEP. I had to take prescription sleep aids for a couple of days when I first stopped Vicodin. Sounds counterproductive but it was very effective. I quit the sleep aids within 3 days. I have 4 valedictorian degrees and found that I am actualy smarter than most doctors I have ever met and completely debunk alot of their myths about not taking any other meds.The emotional state and maturity level of the patient is the most important factor in deciding, not some stupid medical journal.
2. Next, get plenty of fluids especially freshly squeezed fruit and veggie juices nothing from a carton or can and preferably organic if you can afford it. The enzymes and phytonutrients will be amazingly instantly absorbed into your system and give you natural energy like you have never seen. Stay away from any kind of bottled drinks and coffee. Mild green tea is ok but not too much.
3. Take a really good professional Vitamin combo. Dr. Whitakers is ok and Douglas Laboratories makes some great combo packs to fit every body type. Natures Purest also makes one of the best combo packs in the world if you can afford it.
4. Exercise. If you are too weak to workout, bike, etc. Just walk around the block at least once a day. Before long you will be walking around the whole park or neighborhood.
5. Avoid TV, and the NEWS. They are horribly bad for the CNS. If you have to watch TV watch comedies not actions, drama, horror etc.
6. Meditate - Go to a meditation center such as a Zen Center or Yoga center that will help you refocus your inner energy into positive energy.
7. Get Massage - massage helps squeeze toxins out of your flesh. Massage is the next best medical alternative to exercise known to mankind. If you can't afford a pro go to a massage school - you can get some great interns for about $25 that are as good as many pros.
8. Therapy - someone to talk to never hurts.
9. Journaling - Journaling is a type of self therapy that will really help you get in touch with what you are going through. Many people have lived through death camps and the worst things imaginable by keeping a journal.
10. Prayer - Prayer is a form of healing meditation and you don't have to get religious at all. I created my own prayers that didn't use any dieties and didn't had no references to Church or anything else which made me feel great.
11. Nature watching and gardening- if you are in a place where you can watch bunnies, birds, squirrels, hummingbirds they help reconnect your natural balance to nature.
12. Engage in Positive Self Talk. Read the book "What to Say When You Talk To Yourself" by Shad Helmstetter. A real life changer if you actually read it from the start to the finish instead of just skipping around.
1. First, get PLENTY OF SLEEP. I had to take prescription sleep aids for a couple of days when I first stopped Vicodin. Sounds counterproductive but it was very effective. I quit the sleep aids within 3 days. I have 4 valedictorian degrees and found that I am actualy smarter than most doctors I have ever met and completely debunk alot of their myths about not taking any other meds.The emotional state and maturity level of the patient is the most important factor in deciding, not some stupid medical journal.
2. Next, get plenty of fluids especially freshly squeezed fruit and veggie juices nothing from a carton or can and preferably organic if you can afford it. The enzymes and phytonutrients will be amazingly instantly absorbed into your system and give you natural energy like you have never seen. Stay away from any kind of bottled drinks and coffee. Mild green tea is ok but not too much.
3. Take a really good professional Vitamin combo. Dr. Whitakers is ok and Douglas Laboratories makes some great combo packs to fit every body type. Natures Purest also makes one of the best combo packs in the world if you can afford it.
4. Exercise. If you are too weak to workout, bike, etc. Just walk around the block at least once a day. Before long you will be walking around the whole park or neighborhood.
5. Avoid TV, and the NEWS. They are horribly bad for the CNS. If you have to watch TV watch comedies not actions, drama, horror etc.
6. Meditate - Go to a meditation center such as a Zen Center or Yoga center that will help you refocus your inner energy into positive energy.
7. Get Massage - massage helps squeeze toxins out of your flesh. Massage is the next best medical alternative to exercise known to mankind. If you can't afford a pro go to a massage school - you can get some great interns for about $25 that are as good as many pros.
8. Therapy - someone to talk to never hurts.
9. Journaling - Journaling is a type of self therapy that will really help you get in touch with what you are going through. Many people have lived through death camps and the worst things imaginable by keeping a journal.
10. Prayer - Prayer is a form of healing meditation and you don't have to get religious at all. I created my own prayers that didn't use any dieties and didn't had no references to Church or anything else which made me feel great.
11. Nature watching and gardening- if you are in a place where you can watch bunnies, birds, squirrels, hummingbirds they help reconnect your natural balance to nature.
12. Engage in Positive Self Talk. Read the book "What to Say When You Talk To Yourself" by Shad Helmstetter. A real life changer if you actually read it from the start to the finish instead of just skipping around.
It is nice to see that people understand that after so many years of chemical imbalance, the body takes a while to find a base line. Endorphins are the chemical most afcted by opiate intake and exercising is really the best treatment for that. The other issue is that a large number of opiate dependent patient , liked the feeling of opiates in first place because is a numbing device. It does numb misdiagnosed depression, anxiety issues, stress and many other uncorfortable feelings that has to be properly assessed and treated.
Best of luck
Best of luck
Omega 3 fatty acids taken at 3x higher than reccomended the daily dose helps stabilize the brain. That's from a psychologist.
I have been abusing roxy n opana for over 4 yrs along with cocaine MDMA n a slew of other drugs. Detox just sux, period. I found l tyrosine helpful with the general malaise n b 12 for energy. I am also on lamictal ( anti siesure med with awesome mood stabilizing properties along with trazadone, an AD that promotes sleep as well. It's a hard road but possible. I'm I'n day 5...again. Relapse sux but sum ppl go thru it to beat it I'n the end. Bottom line, we didn't get here overnite n can't expect an instant healing. Just stay the course stay away from suboxone n subutex as they are harder to kick than opiates like roxy. Good luck n god bless.
this is the thomas withdraw
For the Recipe, You'll need:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.
During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.
At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.
Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.
As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
Thomas"
For the Recipe, You'll need:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.
During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.
At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.
Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.
As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
Thomas"
for 3 years i was tacking 10---20 percs or up to 25 7.5 vicodins a day and a couple oxys 40mg. tryied everything to quit and the only thing that helped was the thomas withdrawl recipe about 20 dollars of vitamins you can google it youll get a thousand hits on ot and it helps with loss of energy and depression. It is so simple to do. I guaraty it works without feeling like your going to die, just some leg cramps is the worst part but a HOT bath soak does the trick and the vitamins are wasy to find
for 3 years i was tacking 10---20 percs or up to 25 7.5 vicodins a day and a couple oxys 40mg. tryied everything to quit and the only thing that helped was the thomas withdrawl recipe about 20 dollars of vitamins you can google it youll get a thousand hits on ot and it helps with loss of energy and depression. It is so simple to do. I guaraty it works without feeling like your going to die, just some leg cramps is the worst part but a HOT bath soak does the trick and the vitamins are wasy to find
Patrick/Tom I appreciate any help you can give me.I have emailed you a copy of this,their is another 243 pages.
page 1.
The Enigma of Consciousness
LUKE. G. EDWARD.
<a href="***@****" target="_new">
INTRODUCTION
Can one percieve the entirety of an object, that which, themselves are only a tiny component of ?.
The Omniety,God, Krsna,Allah or any other name one refers to as their Deity of worship is possibly composed of all the particles in this Universe,especially,the as yet undiscovered particles that compose Space itself (Wheeler refered to them as Pre-Geometry).As mere Humans we must be composed of a limited and negligable number in comparison to the Deity.
In order to percieve of God,I believe one must use their Consciousness`s most refined and Pure(emotionally unadulterated) form of its human manifestation,which I shall call our "Soul"throughout this Book.
The term Spiritual or Spirit I shall consider our most precious Human emotional experience of the expanded conscious state,that can, as mentioned be distilled to the level of emotionless Soul.
In order to percieve of ones Deity they must shut down consciouness to the puriy and level of the Soul and use its Ultra-sub-particle Quantum Energy Matrix of structure(pre-geometry) and the net collective effects of its attractive gravitational forces to interact with the larger all pervasive structure that permiates this entire Universe and in this book I shall refer to this All pervasive structural consciousness as God,the Super Soul,
Cosmic Consciousness as the state of intersection of the soul with God and the Universe.
Collective Consciousness will be considered a similar communication but done between humans and also existing in perpetualty on its own accord,whether or not one taps into it or is conscious of it.
Awareness will be differentiated from consciousness in that is requires the Neurological Structures of Organisation of the brain/mind as well as some consciousness to exist and will also be considered the "Normal" state of mind typified by having a Subconsciousness.
This allows for awareness of being Conscious and consciousness of being aware.
Ego will be considered as an emotive and Intellectual manifestation of the "Normal" state of mind,and referred to as the "False Self"in this Book,The persons "Identity" in their unenlightened state.
Unenlightened are those essentially Egocentric Humans complete with subconsciousness whose consciousness is dislocated or blocked from its source (the Soul) as it has not yet been expanded and eventually by repetetive expansion,learned how to remove the blockade and programing of society.
The "Normal" state of mind will be considered a natural reponse to its environment and not a disease,although the Cosmic/soul-conscious mind will be considered Superior.Even an semi-egoless expanded semi-deprogrammed mind is superior,for reasons that will be explained in chapter 2.
Enlighened as being anything other than "Normal".
page2
This Book will provide the supporting Physics and Neurochemical and Neuroanatomical information about our Normal Mind and instructions to achieve and make contact with your Soul,and possibly the Cosmos(Universe) and thus God,it also looks at the Social, Cultural and Political ramifications and interactions of a predominance in our Western Societies of this Proliferation and acceptance of Normality Insuperior.
Much of the research is backed up by Neuropsychopharmacological and Quantum Physics experiments and Vast amount personal experience.
CHAPTER 1. The Neuropsychological, Neurochemical,Neuroanatomical correlates of Human behaviour and related Physics.
Quantum Physics dictates that the Human Brain is not capable of accurately percieving Reality and that standard perception is based on Cartesian/Newtonian systems,concepts and structures.The notion of the existence of God and our souls has plausible scientific basis when understood through the eyes of someone who has a grasp of these Sciences.
In order to percieve the true nature of our Universe,one must first reduce all sensory input to a minimum,But this is the final step and many other things must be achieved first,I will mention them in due course.
Sensory Deprivation allows Dopamine to accumulate in pre-synaptic storage vesicles in the midbrain region otherwise known as the Mesencphalon.(Middle brain).
It is an area of the brain stem that is positioned such that signals of information (electrical) from all other parts of the "brain"above it and around it and the nervous system below it-our "body",must pass through it.
Once Sufficient Dopamine has accumulated and saturation occurs the Dopamine Neurons will easily release the Dopamine Neurotransmitter, with extremely little external stimuli,in fact,you will be taught to use an internal trigger to start the Dopamine cascade event.
In this state, the Reticular Activating System (RAS) that surrounds the Midbrain and is essentally the Reducing Valve of Sensory information,will be fully operative,leading to the Increased Consciousness required to start our two fold task, first looking outward upon our own minds and eliminating subconcious and ego and deprograming our "Normal"selves such that we can then acheive the second part of this very tedious and long adventure(it took me over 20 years)looking in deeply within ourselves ignoring the mind and body in effect now contracting our expanded consciousness to the pinpoint pre-geometry that in essence is our soul,ie consciousness and attaches and interacts gravimetrically with the entire universe,this is the Cosmic conscious state,you will be in the Mind of God.
It is only the interaction of our souls consciousness with our minds awareness as it pertains to itself that allows us as humans to introspect and be aware of the fact that we are alive,othewise we may not realize this and may behave in a destructive and ego orientated mode of social programing.I believe that now in this year 2001 many people do not and are not self-realized and a lot of this Book is concerned in how we de-evolved to this low conscious and thus Intellectual point and the social,political,religious and personal consequences of existence within a predominantly 'Souless",material object orientated society and almost World now.
page 3.
Albert Einstein stated that no information can travel faster than the speed of light and Newton postulated that ALL bodies have attractive gravitational forces associated with them.For Newton,time and space formed an absolute framework,within which the material events of the world ran their course in imperturbable order.His was a Gods eye view of the "World": it looks the same to every observer,where they are or how they travel.By contrast it has been said that Einstein`s is a Humans eye view,in which what you see and what I see is relative to each of us,that is,to our place and speed,and this relativity cannot be removed,"we can only communicate our own views to one another.And communication is not instant;we cannot remove from it the basic time-lag of all signals,which is set by the speed of light".
At the end of Einsteins life he was "still" working to seek a unity between gravitation and the forces of electricity and magnetism.
Today Quantum Physics has found no Gravity shields and see no limit to the forces of gravity in that you, for example, exert a force upon the moon,however very relatively small and no atom or sub-particle cannot also be excluded from being caught up in the theory that every particle in this entire universe is communicating Via gravity with every other particle.
I therefore state that information can travel instantaneously via gravitional attraction and is not restricted to the velovity of light; (E=mc
page 1.
The Enigma of Consciousness
LUKE. G. EDWARD.
<a href="***@****" target="_new">
INTRODUCTION
Can one percieve the entirety of an object, that which, themselves are only a tiny component of ?.
The Omniety,God, Krsna,Allah or any other name one refers to as their Deity of worship is possibly composed of all the particles in this Universe,especially,the as yet undiscovered particles that compose Space itself (Wheeler refered to them as Pre-Geometry).As mere Humans we must be composed of a limited and negligable number in comparison to the Deity.
In order to percieve of God,I believe one must use their Consciousness`s most refined and Pure(emotionally unadulterated) form of its human manifestation,which I shall call our "Soul"throughout this Book.
The term Spiritual or Spirit I shall consider our most precious Human emotional experience of the expanded conscious state,that can, as mentioned be distilled to the level of emotionless Soul.
In order to percieve of ones Deity they must shut down consciouness to the puriy and level of the Soul and use its Ultra-sub-particle Quantum Energy Matrix of structure(pre-geometry) and the net collective effects of its attractive gravitational forces to interact with the larger all pervasive structure that permiates this entire Universe and in this book I shall refer to this All pervasive structural consciousness as God,the Super Soul,
Cosmic Consciousness as the state of intersection of the soul with God and the Universe.
Collective Consciousness will be considered a similar communication but done between humans and also existing in perpetualty on its own accord,whether or not one taps into it or is conscious of it.
Awareness will be differentiated from consciousness in that is requires the Neurological Structures of Organisation of the brain/mind as well as some consciousness to exist and will also be considered the "Normal" state of mind typified by having a Subconsciousness.
This allows for awareness of being Conscious and consciousness of being aware.
Ego will be considered as an emotive and Intellectual manifestation of the "Normal" state of mind,and referred to as the "False Self"in this Book,The persons "Identity" in their unenlightened state.
Unenlightened are those essentially Egocentric Humans complete with subconsciousness whose consciousness is dislocated or blocked from its source (the Soul) as it has not yet been expanded and eventually by repetetive expansion,learned how to remove the blockade and programing of society.
The "Normal" state of mind will be considered a natural reponse to its environment and not a disease,although the Cosmic/soul-conscious mind will be considered Superior.Even an semi-egoless expanded semi-deprogrammed mind is superior,for reasons that will be explained in chapter 2.
Enlighened as being anything other than "Normal".
page2
This Book will provide the supporting Physics and Neurochemical and Neuroanatomical information about our Normal Mind and instructions to achieve and make contact with your Soul,and possibly the Cosmos(Universe) and thus God,it also looks at the Social, Cultural and Political ramifications and interactions of a predominance in our Western Societies of this Proliferation and acceptance of Normality Insuperior.
Much of the research is backed up by Neuropsychopharmacological and Quantum Physics experiments and Vast amount personal experience.
CHAPTER 1. The Neuropsychological, Neurochemical,Neuroanatomical correlates of Human behaviour and related Physics.
Quantum Physics dictates that the Human Brain is not capable of accurately percieving Reality and that standard perception is based on Cartesian/Newtonian systems,concepts and structures.The notion of the existence of God and our souls has plausible scientific basis when understood through the eyes of someone who has a grasp of these Sciences.
In order to percieve the true nature of our Universe,one must first reduce all sensory input to a minimum,But this is the final step and many other things must be achieved first,I will mention them in due course.
Sensory Deprivation allows Dopamine to accumulate in pre-synaptic storage vesicles in the midbrain region otherwise known as the Mesencphalon.(Middle brain).
It is an area of the brain stem that is positioned such that signals of information (electrical) from all other parts of the "brain"above it and around it and the nervous system below it-our "body",must pass through it.
Once Sufficient Dopamine has accumulated and saturation occurs the Dopamine Neurons will easily release the Dopamine Neurotransmitter, with extremely little external stimuli,in fact,you will be taught to use an internal trigger to start the Dopamine cascade event.
In this state, the Reticular Activating System (RAS) that surrounds the Midbrain and is essentally the Reducing Valve of Sensory information,will be fully operative,leading to the Increased Consciousness required to start our two fold task, first looking outward upon our own minds and eliminating subconcious and ego and deprograming our "Normal"selves such that we can then acheive the second part of this very tedious and long adventure(it took me over 20 years)looking in deeply within ourselves ignoring the mind and body in effect now contracting our expanded consciousness to the pinpoint pre-geometry that in essence is our soul,ie consciousness and attaches and interacts gravimetrically with the entire universe,this is the Cosmic conscious state,you will be in the Mind of God.
It is only the interaction of our souls consciousness with our minds awareness as it pertains to itself that allows us as humans to introspect and be aware of the fact that we are alive,othewise we may not realize this and may behave in a destructive and ego orientated mode of social programing.I believe that now in this year 2001 many people do not and are not self-realized and a lot of this Book is concerned in how we de-evolved to this low conscious and thus Intellectual point and the social,political,religious and personal consequences of existence within a predominantly 'Souless",material object orientated society and almost World now.
page 3.
Albert Einstein stated that no information can travel faster than the speed of light and Newton postulated that ALL bodies have attractive gravitational forces associated with them.For Newton,time and space formed an absolute framework,within which the material events of the world ran their course in imperturbable order.His was a Gods eye view of the "World": it looks the same to every observer,where they are or how they travel.By contrast it has been said that Einstein`s is a Humans eye view,in which what you see and what I see is relative to each of us,that is,to our place and speed,and this relativity cannot be removed,"we can only communicate our own views to one another.And communication is not instant;we cannot remove from it the basic time-lag of all signals,which is set by the speed of light".
At the end of Einsteins life he was "still" working to seek a unity between gravitation and the forces of electricity and magnetism.
Today Quantum Physics has found no Gravity shields and see no limit to the forces of gravity in that you, for example, exert a force upon the moon,however very relatively small and no atom or sub-particle cannot also be excluded from being caught up in the theory that every particle in this entire universe is communicating Via gravity with every other particle.
I therefore state that information can travel instantaneously via gravitional attraction and is not restricted to the velovity of light; (E=mc
Spook: spook, if I give you the following e-mail address, I would be honored to be allowed to read even excerpts from your book. I don't think you realize how insightful and excitingly unorthodox your writings are. I have earned my living as a professional technical writer, mostly for the computer industry, for going on twenty years, many of which have been spent as an editor, proof reader, writer's mentor to authorities in various fields -- the point is, in exchange for being allowed to read some of your work I would make myself useful as a "pre-audience" for your work. You've stated that one of your goals is to make a multi-disciplinary work understandable to a broad, "unevenly qualified" audience. This is an editorial function I have performed successfully many times for authors of all kinds, often for experts writing in English as a second language -- not that this would be your case. I mention it only to express the range of editing work I have performed in the past. Of course, according to your copyright laws and mine, anything you allowed me to read would be kept in the strictest confidence.
just think about it. You have only yourself to blame. Your subject matter and approach is just too interesting to ignore.
here's my address. Please reply even if it's just to say no. I would respect that as much as anything. Remember, I'm not looking for pay, just intelllectual stimulation on a subject of great personal interest to me.
***@****
I look forward to hearing from you!!! Peace to you spook.
tom
just think about it. You have only yourself to blame. Your subject matter and approach is just too interesting to ignore.
here's my address. Please reply even if it's just to say no. I would respect that as much as anything. Remember, I'm not looking for pay, just intelllectual stimulation on a subject of great personal interest to me.
***@****
I look forward to hearing from you!!! Peace to you spook.
tom
Annie, after reviewing this thread I felt the need to thank you for your kind words of concern for my life-long addiction and obvious struggle with even deciding what to do about it. I know your compassion is genuine and I am truly moved that you would care so much for someone you've never even met. Addiction is, often a form of adversity and, as a wise man or woman once said, one's nobility and humanity are only truly revealed at moments of adversity and pain. Your words "give you away" as a woman of compassion and humanity and I just wanted to acknowledge it while it was on my mind. I haven't given up on overcoming my predicament but I have no illusions that it will be easy or that the solution is as cut and dried as just attending meetings, as important as I admit that is. Please give my best to your husband and I conratulate you both on finding a way to deal with your own addictions in such a positive way.
Peace to you both,
tom
Peace to you both,
tom
thank you for the kind words, spook. It has always been a lonely battle for me because I always seem to be confronted by people who think I am hurting them by doing, as Joseph Campbell said, "Following my bliss," an act Campbell identified as a common denominator for all societies with mythic traditions. I can't claim with total honesty that my use of drugs has never harmed anyone, at least if you include inadvertently inflicting emotional pain as doing harm. Of course, over the years, I could have been a better provider, more sensitive husband and better father if I had not had this obsession to deal with. I would never try to maintain that there hasn't been a price to all of this. But I do not consider myself evil, immoral or cruel. I am a man playing the hand I've been dealt. And despite your discouraging report about buprenorphin in Australia, it is my hope that bup will be legalized as a treatment for opiate addiction and that I will be able to utilize it as soon as it becomes legal and, with the right help, learn to taper myself off of the stuff for good. I certainly hope we've learned from the Aussie experience with bup and make more of a success of it. With my record, I could probably get on methadone right now. However, I understand methadone is the hardest opiate of all to get off of, heroin included. That is why I'm patiently monitoring the status of bup and quietly making plans to avail myself of it. All official indicatons seem to be that bup will become legal to treat opiate addiction in a private doctor's office somewhere between now and this summer.
I do not see that getting high is doing YOU any harm physically,emotionally or Spiritually,Humans have been doing drugs since we came out of the cave and learn`t to harness fire,many drugs contribute vitally to religious ceremonies and the well being of their culture,I know people that have never used a psychotropic in their whole lives and they are selfish naive people,you are the opposite of that.Do not let our current society trick you into thinking you are doing something wrong,it is a mixed up crazy system we live in now,I think you show purity and wisdom in your use of these chemicals,in a way you are trying to turn your back on the wrongness of it all,NOT escape from yourself,you are being made a victim,by a materialist culture dominated by atheists living in a fools paradise.I think you are to hard on yourself sometimes,maybe you feel guilt?.Its not like you seek oblivion,you seek truth and have found a truth that works for you in this society,I do not see a problem at all with you.But thats just my opinion,others may think different.You are lucky to passionately love doing anything as much as you claim to being high.If you wanted to stop I think you would,you are not asking for help as much as seeking permission and only you can give yourself the freedom to do what you want with your life.
That is exactly what I have been trying to tell everybody,I am in a "take it or leave it frame of mind-do not care either way",regarding Opioids(yes IV Heroin included)or ANY drug,Now I am trying to retrace my footsteps to explain to anybody interested how I achieved this Freakish state of mind.Why would I make this up?.I am trying to work out what happened exactly myself,I know it was a long journey with much pain,20 years at least,no magic drugs,something to do with a shift in the way I view life(and death)and my expectations of what life should give me has changed it is like, now, what life can I give to myself,it is VERY spiritual.
Regarding keeping my or ones Sanity;
Some say that talking to oneself is the First sign of going insane,I have never ventured past this first sign,if one keeps things bottled up then depression and Neurotic Anxieties are certain to emerge,talking to others may/can help,but I have found that it is myself that "I"(my conscience)needs to talk to.
I live alone and have a stress free lifestyle with no responsibilties,these are achievements I actively sought in order to find peace.
Some say that talking to oneself is the First sign of going insane,I have never ventured past this first sign,if one keeps things bottled up then depression and Neurotic Anxieties are certain to emerge,talking to others may/can help,but I have found that it is myself that "I"(my conscience)needs to talk to.
I live alone and have a stress free lifestyle with no responsibilties,these are achievements I actively sought in order to find peace.
A few posts up from this one (by you) has me confused. Are you saying you've achieved a psychological or spiritual state that allows you to use opiates like Heroin with impunity? Or did I misundertand you? You're obviously quite well informed and intelligent, but some might call those "famous last words." I know they would be if I were saying them.
Just a thought here, but this family issue hit me like a ton of bricks. When I am with my grandchildren, I'm a much happier person. I feel so responsible and worthwhile and needed. It's like being in another world for me. My family offers me some much needed self esteem! That's part of the solution, I think. Have a great day, Cindi! J.B.
Hello friend !
I do not have any answers... and those of us not searching for a "buzz" still have an empty hole inside somewhere... the sense that something is missing and we need to fill it. I have come to the conclusion that only the Divine can fill it.... that is the only peace... the only real sanity. I know this but am not so good at accomplishing it... I think it's a life's work. Love to Marty from me also. Brighty
I do not have any answers... and those of us not searching for a "buzz" still have an empty hole inside somewhere... the sense that something is missing and we need to fill it. I have come to the conclusion that only the Divine can fill it.... that is the only peace... the only real sanity. I know this but am not so good at accomplishing it... I think it's a life's work. Love to Marty from me also. Brighty
I'm glad you chosse the latter, being good is always safer and I'm sure it is a benefit to your wife. I have those days as well, wanting to get so wasted that I am totally numb but...I have 3 reasons to say home..they are 3,7 and my husband. God bless you and Yours, have a great weekend and be well...love to all cindi
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