Detox recipe?

[skillet]

Hi all-

I've read a couple of posts where people have talked about a natural recipe (Thomas recipe)? that contains things like L-tyrosine that help with detoxing / weaning off drugs.  Does anyone know what the ingredients are and whether or not it helps?

Thanks.

[mrmichael67]

The recipe helps some, doesn't help others.  I have seen where many said it was a waste of money.  Others have sworn by it.  It is a **** shoot.  Here is the original by Thomas....REMEMBER, IT IS BY THOMAS!!!!!, NOT ME!!!!!

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Here's my tried-and-true do-it-yourself hydrocodone "cold turkey" detox protocol.

Supplies you'll need first:

As many Valium, Xanax, Librium or Klonopin that you can get your hands on.
--- first day off the lorcet, use enough Valium or whatever, to, if possible, sleep through most of the first couple days. Then start decreasing the dose until you're down to nothing in about 5 or 6 days. You'll have to do the math. The Valium or one of its sister drugs will help tremendously with the anxiety and, somewhat, with the body aches.

Around-the-clock access to either hot baths or a Jacuzzi.

--speaking of those goddamn mostly thigh cramps that seem to love to show up in the middle of the night, have that hot bath or Jacuzzi at the ready. Don't hesitate to spend the majority of the week in that hot water if it's what it takes to get you through it. You may be wrinkled, but you'll have your sanity. Don't underestimate what the hot baths can do to relieve the withdrawal discomfort. They really work. Heating pads between the thighs can help with those cramps, too, but not as much as the hot baths.

Brand-name-only Imodium (immodium) (over the counter at the supermarket)

-- if you're a normal hydro addict, you'll be getting the runs by no later than the second or third day off the lorcet. In my experience, it's an especially unpleasant variety. At the first impulse, take two or three and respond to returning urges with two tabs. It's important that you do it immediately.

L-Tyrosine (qty 50 of the 500mg caps) - an amino acid available at the health food store.

-- thanks spook for this info: chronic use of narcotics depletes the brain of several critical neurotransmitters responsible for well-being and mental performance and attitude.
Plus:
Bottle of 100 mg B6 caps

-- Spook says every other day, but my experience detoxing with this stuff says take 4000 (four thousand) mg. (8x500mg caps of L-Tyrosine) with two 100mg B6 caps every day for your "detox week" to provide your brain with the raw material it needs to replenish its stores of these neurotransmitters. Many feel the difference on the very first dose. ***Take it on an empty stomach, either first thing in the morning or at bed time. You can continue this regimen after the first week if it continues to make you feel good. I continue to use it every other day with very few exceptions.
Multi-vitamins (most junkies don't eat too well, so this one's just for good sense)

Anyway, if you want to do it yourself and have a chance of being free of all narcotics instead of getting hooked on methadone, one of the hardest to get off of, by the way, you might try my formula. (It's "battle-tested" and works!)
2ND. one,
you will not come right until you replace all the zinc/mag you have leached out of your body over the past few years - this is what 'hanging out' really is - it's your body craving zinc/mag (zinc stops cravings/magnesium stops depression). If you don't do this it will take up to 2 years to return to normal as the only other source your body has for zinc/mag is food and then it is in such tiny amounts it takes years to build up again. If you get a blood test done you will find your levels of both are way down on what they should be.


A typical tablet contains somthing like this:

Zinc amino acid chelate 75mg
Magnesium amino acis chelate 37.5mg
Vitamin B6 10mg
Manganese amino acid chelate 10mg
Viatmin A (1000I.U.) 300mcg

Grading your habit on a scale of 1-10 (1 being occasional use and 10 being long term methadone at 100 plus mg's a day) you should take the following amount for a period of one month then slowly reduce to a daily amount of 2-3 per day.

Habit scale/size - Number of tablets per day for a month

10 10
9 9
8 8
7 7
6 6
5 5
4 4
3 3
2 3
1 2
0 2

You will notice that I recommend you never go below 2 per day. This is because zinc/mag depletion was your original problem so you should give yourself an ongoing supplement to make sure it does not happen again. I now take 2-3 per day to maintain my health. I have had no failures with this treatment (everyone OK after less than a month) and have treated addictions (including my own) as varied as methadone and cigarettes. The cigarrete smoker reduced from 2 packs per day to just 5 cigarettes per day in a week without any discomfort. If you suffer any kind of 'hang out' just increase the zinc/mag dosage and give it a liitle longer to take effect (a week or so). Don't beleive all the bullshit about drug addiction you have heard - it's all **** - this is the real deal. The drugs themselves are not actually addictive but they do leach all the zinc/mag out of your body by increasing the metabolism of them creating a shortage that gets worse the longer you use unless you replace them while you are using in which case you don't hang out when you stop - you just come straight - this is true beleive me I have tried it as have a few other people I know and none of us sufferred any hang out when we stopped

[skillet]

Ah yeah, a little too harsh.  If I could get my hands on all those drugs, I wouldn't quit to begin with.  Cold Turkey sounds less painfull.  I'm going for it.

[AlexisInTx]

Thanks so much for posting Thomas's recipe.  I've purchased all of the ingredients and have been taking three, 500 mg. Tyrosine with B-6 (Pyridoxal) in the morning on an empty stomach, a quality multi-vitamin (which has all of the other ingredients like manganese, magnesium, zinc, etc.), extra B-complex & Vitamin C and have to say that my mood is so much better, my energy's up and I don't feel depressed anymore.

Unfortunately, I had started taking those damn pills again, but stopped several days ago and I'm going to continue on with the recipe.  I'm also taking Deprenyl (a supposed smart drug) with Phenylalinine and I have definitely noticed more mental clarity.

Thanks again mrmichael, you are a great source to this board and have to say that I really appreciate all of your input.

[ralphie]

whats up bro  i purchased the ingrediants today!! i finally have the money, ive been detoxing off methadone for 3 weeks now with no  end in sight!!! any of you kids out there thinking about methadone to get off of hydrocodone   STOP!!! DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!! ive kicked heroine cold turkey   and hydros cold turkey then the last time i didnt want to get sick and i was still having pain issues, so someone suggested methadone clinic, i bought into it well after a year and a half of it i went from 100 mgs to 9 and left(ran out of my 70 bucks a week) i spent thousands of $$$ and its been almost a month and im still as sick today as i was 3 weeks ago ,ive lost 15 pounds i look like  the walking dead when i can walk, and it is the worste nightmare ever  i go 3 days at a time with no sleep cant eat or drink and am super depressed it was a big mistake for me dont make the same one please, i see kids 17 18 that are going on methadone for a 5 6 pill a day habit and it hurts me and worries me to see them at the clinic its a buisness, a legal pusher, it may take some work but you can get off the pills by weening (i cant) or cold turkey(i did ) and after a few weeks youll be ready to get back your life ,attend meetings and work on staying clean, it wont be easy but take it from me no one wants to feel like i do now like i said before, just imagine  your worst withdrawal exsperiance x 10 for over a month straight thats my methadone story and im sticking to it  it is only my opinion   peace and good luck

[puna]

Ralphie,  i wanted to ask you, whats the deal with methodone.  I never took it thank god, but i never heard about how bad the w/ds are.. Do you know why?  Just hearing your story, gives me chills. I cant amagine going thru a w/d for that length of time.. How on earth are you coping, and you even have your sense of humor intact.. Good luck in  speeding  up that recovery Buddy!

[bmac]

methadone is the worst thing I have ever withdrawed from.I have
been thru hydro,oxyco and alcohol in my life time.But Methadone is a lie.If your'e old enough there used to be a saying about cocaine.In the 70's everyone told us the coke wasn't addictive
just fun,bullshit.Methadone is really hard because it stays in your system a lot longer.
I am into my 13th day of withdrawals from it and I am still
not well BUT I will get thru it.Just as I have told many of my friends "stay away from methadone"either drinking it or taking those little white pills.It is BBBBBBaaaaaddddd.

[Abbygirl]

Does anyone know if this "Thomas Recipe" will work with an
oxicontin dependancy or addition?, whichever one views it as.

[DWA]

Hi all first let say I'm not here to try and sell any products. I have been on and off opiates for the last four or so years so I have tried lots of recipes during detox including the one from Thomas. But this last one I found seems to work the best so far. But I add the L-tyrosine with it. The supplement is called Reward 1 and here is the web site. http://www.docbluminc.com/docbluminc_008.htm

Thanks
Dave

[tired ass girl]

I"m NOT a doc but I certainly am a pill head,from hydro to oxy,i have been feeding my op receptor for 4 years. At my worst oc use i was at 240mg a day,i tryed to get off oc by going to detox, when i was told COLD TURKEY is the hospital policy{after a 7 hour wait}I WAS THE HELL OUT OF DODGE. Now back on the street and trying to figure out ANY way possible to come down nice and slow, i was open to anything by this point,I was so tired,depressedw/ nothing to look forward to,cramping,sweating at the same time freezing my ass off while having severe diarear.{sorry about spelling}TRUST ME I WAS IN LIVING HELL.I took IM.for the **** and cramp prob. and for the depression and fatige i took 5mg 2x a day for 3 days a little pill called adderall (adderrall), it took 20 min. to work and fatige and crying spells stoped i also exp. happyness U w? this. the oc withdraw scared the hell out of me,but once i got threw the withdraw my op receptor was still hungrey,wasent sober for long and am not sober now but live w/ guilt about my use. I am back on vic. es, and always make sure i never fall back to oc because withdraw is hell,if they could only come up with a pill that gives that happy I LOVE EVERYONE sindrom w?out liver dam. that would be great, I think once we open are op receptor we have to feed it regardless.JUST MY EXPER.

[mrmichael67]

That pill is oxycontin.  Have you tried methadone?  They do detoxes at the clinics with it.

[cindi]

i detoxed off alot of oxy with the Vicodin Es,,and alot of it,,my big problem is the pain i live with each day,,and of course the depression that comes with the territory  the pain and the withdrawals...Michael mentioned the methadone  have you considered inpatient and methadone maintenance?    as far as the recipe,,what alot fo that recipe is about is replenishing your body with stuff that opiates take away   L-tyrosine=replenishes the receptors that are raw,,the mag and zinc was recommended by a person that used the mag and zinc and got by WD's in minimal pain..we deplete our bodies of all this stuff..,,,Thomas should have the answer about the oxys and the recipe  I may be wrong but I think it was mainly recommended for hydro   but again   I may be entirely wrong...

[yodeb]

I'm sitting here thinking,,, tell me if I'm stupid,, but why can't I (or we( just take valuims or something the first week or so and just sleep it off? Like the first 3 days? Has anyone tried that?