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How did you do during your withdrawal? Did you use Thomas's recipe? How hard was it for you?
The reason I ask is that I'm trying to do it as well. I posted a few days ago about a relapse I had. I've been trying to take only what I need for pain, and slipped one day. I can't find that post anymore, and Chad's response to it is gone, so I'm not sure if it got deleted or what happened.
But ..I guess what I'm really saying is..I need support you all!
Yesterday I started to taper, took half of what I normally take for pain. It was uncomfortable...but doable. Today so far I've not taken any meds, and so far I feel shaky, but ok. I did need to take the imodium (immodium)...ick. I'm giving myself permission to take this an hour at a time. I have to balance withdrawal versus strong back pain etc...But I really need you all, and just knowing you are there helps.
I could use any advice on how to get through the discomfort, and success stories of how those of you who have detoxed have gotten through the harder moments.
I'm taking the supplements, and so far I feel better than I had expected to, except for the back pain.
ok..there's my book for the morning.
As Kip so aptly puts it..I need you all, lots!
love,
WW
WW... This is how it goes.. I got sick of being sick for the opiates. Wake up in the mornin to go to work and take 4 lori 10s. At 8am 2more. LUNCH MORE... AFTERNOON AND SO ON AND SO ON.To many pills. They were allways on my mind. Where, when,how, and why. Started being real lazy, do the pills and get on the couch and veg out. The real saying.. The idle mind is the devils workshop. I set fire to him instead. As the wiz says, the dragon is in his lair, don't let him out. I did o.k. during WDs. It was hell the first week. Almost broke quite a few times but didn't...Kept going to the forum and reading, thats what saved me. I used the recipe 5 days after. I use it every other day now.How hard was it? A very tough job, but I have done it so far.The mental part is easing day by day. You can do it... Let me tell you somethig, I am 44 years young and am going to enjoy this. Just put it in your head... I don't want to live and do this ANY MORE... YOU CAN DO IT... Thank you and everyone on this forum again... God bless A.S.
I'm supposed to go back to work two weeks from today, (I've been off work due to my back surgery) and after I go back I won't have the luxury of time with no responsibilities to detox.
WW
WW i'm going to say 24 hours it hits home. Real creepy fellings in the body. I got electrical shocks on my toung, real weird. I ate honey combs cereal 4 or 5 times a day, then a good meal at night. You're not going to be hungry but eat. Thats what your body is going to need. The fouth day off I went to work. It comes and goes. Saturday I was finally doing yard work and I was craving real bad, thats almost 3 weeks into it but it does pass.Each day does get better and better.I have been sleeping at night now.You hang in there and write me any time you please... God Bless , I'm With You A.S.
Hey everyone! How's it going? I am CLEAN!!!! So will you be....Chad
Just wanting to check in with you and see how you are doing!
I hope you post and let us know how things are with you.
lots of love,
WW
Early in my training, I trained with an addiction/recovery specialist named Pia Melody, and she made us face all our addictions...process addictions as well as substances. At that time, I was addicted to love, and very codepedant, but had not experienced drug addiction. I was only 24 at the time, and am 38 now. Her theory is that we all have things that we do to avoid the painful reality of life, and that all therapists *must* get to know our own issues and continue to work on ourselves. She used to say "You can only take your clients as far as you have been willing or able to go". Wise words.
I think it is important for those in the helping/healing professions to just remember we are no different from anyone else, and not be too hard on ourselves when we stumble. In fact, the more compassion we show ourselves, the more compassion we can show our clients. Easier said than done I know..lol but thank you for that reminder.
I'm doing well today...feeling much better than yesterday. We'll see how the night goes. No meds at all today, but I am not sure what I will choose to do in the evening if the crawling out of my skin feeling gets really bad again.
love to you all,
WW
But what I do know about is pain. I've been off here for awhile, and haven't had a chance to catch up on what's what. Anyhow, you are trying to taperdown, back to your perscribed dose? You have what kind of pain, from what? I have that disease it seems every Dr calls Fibromyalgia when they can't figure it out. I have arthritis in just about every bone, joint in my body. I have Marie Stumpel syndrome, degenerative bone and muscle disease and a host of other things too long to get into. I have taken every pain med known to man, what little my ex didn't steal. I've had shots, sprays, bottles of dilauded, methadone, oxy's, demeral. But nothing helped as much as the Fent Duragisic patch. This has given me back my life. I have never abused my narcotic's in all the years I've been perscribed. I am however dependent on them, to have a life. The Dr put me on the patch in Feb. 6 days later...no awhole lot of pain anymore! I can run, bike, skateboard you name it. This slow release patch is the best thing going since sliced bread! This drug which is very powerful, it can only be IV'd or released through the skin, is very hard to abuse. YOU DO NOT get a buzz from it. You can't feel, taste, or notice anything except that you start to feel normal again, 20 again. I have a script for 150 Vicoprohen a month for breakthough, most days I don't take any. Somedays are better than other's, but NO day with pain of anykind is fun. Ask your Dr if the patch could be right for you. I asked the pharmicist the other day in fact, why it wasn't that popular. She told me that Dr's usually write a script for what the patient asks for, that it must have helped them before so they give it again. She told me the patients she has seen who take the patch are usually elderly people who have trouble with or get sick off pills. Well I'm 43, no where near a senior but I thank God my Dr had the sense to let me try it. God Luck and let me know....Susan
won't crave drugs anymore. No one can tell you that but I can sure relate to that feeling. This last time I got clean and I
was only in detox for 9 days, for a month after I would
sit outside and then go to meetings at night and did anything
but stayed closed up inside just to put some distance between me and the last time I used. I knew from my recovery before that
if I could just not use anything that eventually I would start
looking forward to going to N.A. and stop beating the **** out of myself for feeling like such a wreck. It does get better
I promise. One thing is for sure if using worked and I had plently of drugs and never used more why did I end up detoxing again or even wanting to. Getting clean is hard stuff no matter
how someone gets addicted the end result is the same.
I honestly believe I would have used again If I hadn't of put
my pride aside went to N.A. and followed suggestions like
90 meetings in 90 days, get a sponser, get phone numbers and
go out after the meeting with people from the meetings.Support.
I go to A.A. also..It works!! I hope your cravings get better.
Take care of yourself...........
I had back surgery in June, and am now trying to taper off the meds completely, not just my prescribed dose. I was doing very well staying with my prescribed dose, till last week when one night I over did it. That woke me up, and made me decide that I want to go off these meds completely. My back pain is high, but I still feel that I need to go off the meds. If nothing else, I want to asses how bad my back pain truly is without meds. The surgery I had is likely to give me a lot of relief from the pain, and that relief should start to show up in a few more weeks. I know that right now, what I need to do is get completely clean.
Yesterday I once again went the entire day with no meds at all, and the withdrawals were very tolerable, due to my acupuncture treatments. However, I woke up at 1:30 am with intense, intense restlessness and anxiety, so I did go ahead and take just one pain pill (my current prescribed dose is supposed to be 2 every four hours). I was diappointed, and not sure why I have been able to go all day, three days in a row, with no meds, but can't hack that nighttime restlessness!!!
I plan to keep doing what i've been doing the past three days..no meds during the day and a very low dose at night, to get me through this weekend, since I am performing a wedding ceremony saturday, and starting today I have a lot of wedding responsibilities with the couple, their family, rehersals, etc...so I have to be functional. But after the wedding, I'll just face that nighttime demon, and get through it.
I"m pretty proud of myself for going from 15 vicoprofens a day last week, to being down to just one at night. If I need one at night this coming night, I'll take a darvon, which cindi tells me will work to help me taper.
I couldn't do this without all of you, thank you so much for being there!!!
love,
WW
Yes, I do have a very strong relationship with my higher power, which I use the word Goddess to describe, and I've been in constant touch with Her...it helps, lots. I just need to be able to get through the nighttime restlessness, I am easily getting through the days with no meds at all. I don't understand why I can go all day, and then at night..BAMMO. Even when I took valium to try to knock myself out. Last night I took Elavil, about 75mgs, and the restlessness woke me up even through that.
Once I get this wedding weekend over with (I'm perfornming a wedding this weekend) I can afford to loose a few nights of sleep getting through this.
Cindi, how are things with you? Is your depression still as intense as it has been? I send you rainbows and love and supportive energy, and lots of warm hugs.
love,
WW
Whewww, glad i was able to get in finely, but barely!
I'm still using (sad), just basically maintaining, enough to not get sick. Kinda same old same old, no worse but no better. Problem is, my husband is using again,he is in so much pain with his leg that he can hardly walk and work without something!
Not sure if it's a 'big ole act', but i do feel he IS actually in a lot of pain!
His job is not going very well, he doesn't especially like it, it's physically demanding.
Life has just been hard, like usual' lately!
Just continue to get through each day alive!
Thanks for listening!
Lv Jenny
I think the Forum folks changed their web files, becaue my old bookmark was not working anymore. I had go search through search engines to find it again. I'm kinda worried that more folks who rely on the forum can't get back to it, and haven't been able to find it again.
Jenny, give yourself credit for maintaining. That is a win. I had the luxury of unstructured days with no responsibilites and lots of hot water at my disposal, and it was hell getting through the withdrawals. I don't think I could have done it if I had to take care of little ones and have other responsibilities. Even with that, I still took one pill at night, when the restlessness woke me up from even the valium. Last night I still needed half a pill to get through. Hopefully in a day or two, I will make it without even that, but DANG it is hard. Very hard.
I know you will do it Jenny..you *are* doing it, it is just a long process.
love,
WW
Witchy girl, wow, i am beyond proud of you, i'm only sorry i wasn't here for you during last past few days while it's been so tough (i couldn't get into the board)! You keep going girl, you've come to far to turn back now!!!
Jules,
You are so very very sweet! Thank you for thinking of me!
You're not a cyber geek, silly girl!!!!
Thank you for the offer to take little 'K' off my hands, that would be so sweet to see Kayla and Cole playing together, bet they'd have a ball.
To all my other friends, gosh i've missed you all so much, even if it's only been a couple of days!!!
Hope everyone is doing ok, my heart and prayers are with you always!
Lv Jenny
I don't feel very proud, only defeated!
I feel like i've given up, even if only temporarily.
To tell you honestly, i've given my husband some drugs so he could get through work, his knee (he broke it is 3 places 7-years ago and reinjuried it in rehab - go figure) hurts like a SOB, and his job is very physical.
If he gets readdicted again, because i am giving into him, i'll just die!!! He acts like he won't go to work without them, and we need the money desparately! This is AWFUL!!! I think this rips me up most of all lately, and well it should as co-dependent as i am!!!
You be strong, and keep going forward, never look back... i am so very proud of you!
BTW, my old bookmark worked, so i hope others can get back now too!
:)
Thanks for thinking of me sweetie!
Lv Jenny
WW......when I first started therapy 10 years ago, my dr. told me I was a love addict also....well she told me a sex addict, but I didn't identify with any SAA meetings.....the Love part, YES....but eventually I turned to pills and that addiction for love went away...but now that I am sober, I'm realizing I am longing for SOOOO much attention from my boyfriend....I DO NOT want to scare him away, but I'm not sure what to do with all my frustration, anxiety, etc. I did up my doze of Zoloft to 150mg, its been about a week and I'm noticing a few physical symptoms, such as yawing and a little tense....I think when I was going to AA it helped with EVERY addiction, not just alcohol....If we are addicted to one substance, i think we can possibly become addicted to ANY substance and we need to process our issues as to why we have this addictive behavior....
Anyway, I hope everyone (GJ, Chad, WW, Jenny, Kip, and anyone else I forgot) is doing OK.....you guys are my lifeline!!!
Kristen, girl...I can so relate to what you are saying. The hydrocodone totally numbed my core "love addiction" issues. So now, the real emotional work begins...I really agree.
Pia Melody also says that 12 step support of any variety does work to resolve both process and substance addictions. She has some great tapes and books out. Her newest book is called Facing Love Addiction. She also wrote Facing Codependance. Pia was one of the early people who helped get Codependants Anonymous meetings going. Personally, I like the 12 steps, but the meetings have never done much for me. Individual therapy, and this forum, has been what has worked..but I think the 12 step groups are Godsends for most people.
I found a GREAT web site to work on relationship addiction issues. The url is http://www2.scescape.com/support//
I haven't had time to explore it all, but I can tell it speaks to me.
This site though, right here...our forum, is my lifeline. I truly believe that you guys have saved my life. I am grateful, and not going anywhere..I am sure that I will need you all even more once that last half pill a day is gone and the work of staying clean begins.
lots of love..
WW
Anyway, I'll stop babbling....but I just wanted you to know that I read what you write every day and no matter WHAT job you are in....No-one can be prone to addiction.....it is NOT your fault and you are NOT alone....I am SURE there are LOTS of people in your position that feel the same way and probably feel very ashamed...but DONT.....no-one here has any right to judge...when I was in rehab, MOST of the counselors were recovering addicts anyway....you know FIRST hand what these people are feeling like that come to you for help....so its OK.....hang in there and I'll be back to "type" later!!! ~kristen~
So I decided to set a schedule to tapper myself off. I put it in writing and am determined to follow it. I will go from 100mg hydro down to 20mg over the next 18 days. Then I'll be out. I plan on dropping the dose 1 pill every 4 days. My question if anyone can help - Is 18days too short or too long? I have tried this before but fell off. 18 days is a long time to have to fight the temptation and stay on track. I am determined this time but fear the crave. I fear the pain coming back but decided I'd rather have the pain right now and get my life back, then go from there.
This site is my motivator! Durty
will bbl....
good vibes to all of you!
starling
Man do I know what your feeling, I just got through the creepy crawly's after going cold turkey from four years and 120mgs of oxy and 10 percs a day.
Each Doc says hear take these I can't help you and the next thing your hooked, and the I stop and the pain that was eating me alive isn't so bad. I haven't even used my cane in three weeks. But the pain is still there just not as bad as with the meds.
Has enyone else found this out? going through the with drawls is worse than the regular pain for sometime, so why do I still thik of the pills more than the pain?
Thanks everyone for being here and letting me babble.....
I'm in a venting mood myself today but, the poop we go through doesn't always make us better for it. Who ever said that doesn't know addiction or 365 a day 24 hr pain. kkep a stiff upper lift and I'm sure you already no this you got to do this yourself you might be better off without this person.
We will all make it it just takes time.
best of luck
hang in there
Hey all, haven't read the forum in awhile but it looks like you're all "gettin by" ok (more or less right?). Sorry to hear about your break-up Kristen but DON'T let that be your excuse to get back on hydro's!!! I understand your substitution of alcohol for the numbing effects and that is very common for any addict, I switched from marijuana to opiates! Ouch! I think everyone in this world is addicted to SOMETHING! Even exercise, work, fear, depression, and hatred can be "addictions", despite each one being completely different...
I had a chance to have some beers yesterday and figured it might be fun to get drunk with some older friends (even though I despise alcohol) but alas I just went "ehhh", they were also smoking cigarettes, pot (probably 6-7 joints in 2 hours!), and all were drunk as could be, but who was the one who could drive home without worrying about the cops? You guessed it ;-) Sobriety rules!
Jenny - once again: hang in thayr! Don't worry if you're taking your maintenance dosages to get through things, sanity can be helpful too ya know ;-). Keep the faith in better times as well though!!!
WW - How are things coming along? I've been wondering about your progress in the past few days. Hope you find successful soberness (?) with this, it sounds like you're quite ready & willing ;-)
Hope everyone else is doing dandily too! Take care god bless...
-G
Kristen I'm sorry to hear about the breakup. I admire your strenght for coming here and venting about how you are feeling. Having to handle heartbreak as well as addiction recovery at the same time sounds incredibly overwhelming...are you remembering to take good care of yourself in the middle of all this? If not..here's a reminder! :-) You are a wonderful person, and deserve to love yourself. One of the things that made me step up to the plate and finally go off my pain meds was one sentence you said a few weeks ago..you just typed to me "you can do it if you want it badly enough"..so I just wanted you to know that you have had a very positive influence on me, and I want to somehow be able to offer you support as well.
GJ, thank you for thinking of me..as you may have seen from my above post, I'm clean and through the worst of the withdrawals.
Phew...it was one of the hardest things I've ever done in my life, and now I'm facing the harder part..not going back there.
how are things going for you?
WW
My story starts with having a stroke at 24 and lost everything on my right side. My dad had also had to re-teach mt to read and write again.it's been a long road but do-able.I come from connecticut and I came to England 2 yrs ago after meeting my new husband over the internet.
I was walking down the street here 18 months ago i injured my knee and what pain after surgery they said it was a torn tendend and arthitis wow the pain it was. well they put me on so many pain pills that i feel like a pill cabinet.
I haven't taken any pills for 2 days now and the shakes are horrible and the stomach cramps and nightmares when i catch a catnap. I have been trowing up and the chills are no-ones business.it feels like winter to me and people think i'm weird.
can anyone tell me how much longer can i expect to feel like this. or would it be better to wait til after the weekend to see the doc. this cold turkey is hell but i made it through one battle i can make it through this battle. i just want help understanding what and whens of it all. if you can help me in anyway or just want a chat. you can e-mail me at ***@**** thankyou for listening.
good luck to all of you with the same problem i know with help and support people can make it through the toughest situations. i was told by my grandma when 3 out of 4 of my boys are handicaped. she told me god would never give you any situation you can't handle and i know she is right. we can make it just knowing it will be hard just having someone helping you by just saying way to go it the best encouragement we can get.
thanks for listening
cindyboohbear