Do Zyban and Zanax mix?

[PaulNieb]

My wife is trying to quite smoking and was recently put on Zyban. The question is if it is safe for her to take Zanax while on the Zyban?

I know that there is an increased risk of siezures when taking Zyban, especially when "abruptly" stopping Zanax while taking Zyban.  But, she only occassionally takes Zanax (once a week maximum) and is in no way approaching abusive or addiction levels.

TIA

[skipper]

jenny:
apology is not necessary! will try to respond to you later today!
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[jennyfla]

Keep that angel close Kip, and hang in there!
I apologize for the emails i've been sending, don't mean to complicate your life with my problems.
I just know you understand, so thanks!!!
I'm hoping that your pain will let up for you and that you can find a balance!
Know that i'm here to talk to whenever you need!
PS, Thank IR for me, she posted a sweet post (as usual) telling me that she's been very busy lately with life!  She's a sweetheart!
Lv Jenny

[angst]

K4's are 4mg dilaudid pills.  they are yellow with a k on one side and a 4 on the other.  it comes in 2mg, 4mg, 8mg, 10mg, and as far as i know the inj form can be made in any strength to cc.
Thanks for posting. Glad you sound better.

[skipper]

Tom:
didn't mean to overlook your kind words of encouragement. say have
you switched to metadone? how goes it?

today was the 6th straight day of rain. all the farmers are so hap-
py the're just "potty."  i don't care, it has really fit with the way i have been feeling. it takes the bad days to make the good
days good. it's a new day tomarrow, something good might happen.
keep an angel on your shoulder!
kip

[skipper]

angst:
nope didn't miss 'em. i perfered the 1/16 grain (4mg) hypo tabs.
drop em in the works, draw up some water, shake...bake. i also
remeber 10mg football shaped hypo tabs too..t think it was the way
dilaudid hp used to come. how i ever survived? i guess were all a
bunch of "one more chances!"
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[angst]

I promise the sun will shine one day.  We don't have monsoons (sic) here.  At least not to my knowledge.  I am supposed to hit the shipyard tomorrow.  For a well endowed 36 year old woman, this will be a challenge.
I need to get some paper work together.  Highschool Diploma, College Transcripts, Birth certificate?, and I do not know where to start looking in this big old house on the bayou.
Since Mama died in 1996, I do not keep impecable records, you know?  
We made through the dilaudid days.  I don't want to sound southern, but I ain't going back there with God's help.  This forum, your posts, and the whole helps me more than anything right now.  Thanks so much.

[skipper]

hey people:
it's great to be missed...i mean this ghostly presence hasn't been
gone, just a little quiet for a short time. been feeling kind
screwed up lately, probably 'cause i'v been real screwed up em-
motially lately. in my defence many fine people ghost this forum,
so i can't be all bad!

witchywoman:
everyone should know how good it feels for a friend to give them *permissionn* to be off the hook for awhile. you have done this for
me for the beter part of year...thankyou.

Angst:
first of all a question. whatr are k4s? have i missed out on something here?!! the middle of last month my wife and i were in
Gullfport. the humidity was really oppresive for the middle of
march...what it must be like in july! good luck in the shipyards,
and be carefull! ya know it's the coal mines and mills where oxy-
contin fist took hold...that should tell ya all about hurt and
dangerious!!
meagain:
selfish is word people only use on themselves around here...hmm
like i just told witchywoman, it feels good to have a friend give
you permission to be screwed up and lost and tryin' to figure it
out!! hey putting yourself first is a healthy sign around here!!
tlk: more of the same that was said above. i don't plan on not
being around...not for long. 'ya know i should learn how to be
silent a little more often- sometimes it's so hard to be quiet,
even to myself! i have recently been shown that listening is a
emotioally necessary indulgence!

thankyou people and keep the angels on your shoulder
kip

[tlk]

Kip - pls don't leave, unless you feel you need to for you. Don't do it for us. We need to hear all voices, down or up, good, bad, and everything in between.
I also have a question. Do any of y'all who are in a relationship with someone who does not use and never has have a problem talking to that person? My husband was all for me getting off the meds, but now doesn't see my need to pursue "recovery" treatment. In a way I understood. When my dad was getting big into AA I hated hearing about it. I thought he was looking for an excuse for his past misdeeds. I was young and not very open minded then.
I got off track here, but wanted to ask what you thought of something I heard in regards to addicts. I think most of us have done things we regret -- really regret. Can we ever forgive ourselves? Is it true that these are things we did, not who we are? Are we all too hard on ourselves?
Being philosophical here but I'm trying to live my life in a different way to be successful in this whole recovery, but admit it's a struggle. I don't want my old life back, but don't really know what my new life is. tlk

[oh please already]

i am sorry,i was begin selfish and insulting yesterday when i asked you to stay,you know what you need and if its time alone you should take it.I think of you and so many here have it together and panic when i see you waving but i dont mean to put pressure on anyone.  In the last month as i read my posts,i can see myself all over the gammit of emitions,from rock bottom suasidal to happy go lucky to just dumb,like the happy drunk at the bar. I  am having difficulty finding a persona that i will use to face the world,i got use to not begin noticed and now i just dont want to be ingnored.anghts qsked me where i am-still using or what?and to answer that i have to say i dont know-im still putting pills in my mouth but i also am having times i dont-i think that what they call self control-its been so long for me i ve forgotten.i went to more then a few meetings,loved some but got frighten that i was looking so close to so many painful memories.In the last few weeks i screamed,cried ,begged and felt despair that i didnt know was possable,right now i m feeling guilty-so many have real problems how can i call what im feeling despair- i might of been abused-but i wasnt totured,i might of been forgotten but i was never hungry,my mother was an(is) an addict but she did love me the best she could-I feel guilty because so many people had it really bad-i should be more thankful and im not.Im just mad,so angry that if i even think about it i tremble and so the last few days ive been acting well stupid-trying to laugh so i wont and this is where im having real difficlty what do u do when your mad-mad about things you cant change,im suppose to be a mature compassiate adult- i know people did the best they could,i know there suffering there own guilt and i dont want them to hurt more but still im just so mad-i dont care that their sorry,why do i always have to understand and forgive?i know that only i  suffer with this emition,only hurt myself,and have to let go so i can find my own inner peace and yet i cant and so im still taking way more then i should but im finding harder and harder to get numb.Im like a 6yr old i so depritly want you all to like me and be my friend but i seem to forgoten how

[angst]

Feeling any better today?  I hope so.  It is still quiet here.  My daughter is asleep still.  It is another hot and humid day, but I'm getting outside with my albuterol at hand, and i'm working with my flowers.  I have a little house work to do.  And if I do my ex and daughter's laundry, it is quite a chore.  I am still getting outside.  
Tomorrow I go to one of the biggest shipbuilding yards in the country, the USSCole came back to us when she got hit.  They have a pipefitter apprentiship program.  I am strong from nursing.  You have to lift really large people on a regular basis.  It is not all pretty and white.  I'm going to apply.  There is not anything to stop me.  I will work with my asthma.  Being down in one of those big ships does not bother me.  I've walked through  a few when they had open house.  It is not a woman's profession, but I have to make a good living.  I cannot survive on a retail sales job.  
I hope the sun in shining where you are.  It really helps.  Do you have hobbies?  I draw intricate abstract designs.  Things you would see in fabric and some wall paper.

[Hinkster]

Hey Buddy,
  Theres not too much I can do for you but to just to let you know I'am out here someplace thinking about you. The hinkster is with you and cares about you and there isn't a thing you can do about it. I sure hope things are going okay today-man I wish I
could help you out, for what you do for everyone else on these
forums. Some day something will come along and I will pleasently
surprise you, yes sir you wait.
Tom

[Witchywoman]

Kip my friend, I'm sorry to hear you've had such a rough time of it lately.  Please don't ever think that you bring anyone down when you share you pain and your situation. You have a right to reach out and get support, just like you give to others.
What I'm trying to say is we are here for you, always.

The world truly is a better place with you in it.

love,
WW

[oh please already]

wow  i am so sorry that u had it so bad,me- my mother just couldnt cope- she use to go to hotels for 5-6 days out of the week because 4 kids wew too much  just send 10 dollors aday for food to us and left  and we were  i thin maybe 11,10 8 and 4  i was 10 but the oldest girl so i got to be mo-  got into a fight with her when i was just 18  left with just the clothes on my back and never went back- found a good man ,married but i was too young,screwed up on him and so on

[angst]

oh yea, rage has a lot to do with the diagnosis.  But i do not have rage anymore at all.  that left me when i od'd.  it was a god thing.

[groovygirl]

i'm still here - went thru my 1st day without bup....today has started ok - i have the sniffles, chills and basic depression and lethargy, but i think i can handle it.  the part of knowing that it is going to get worse kills me tho...

how are you doing? did you say you are taking methadone?

[oh please already]

im just kinka frantic you know,wired with engery i have no place to put and yet i dont want to do anything so im bouncing off the walls i cant seem to sit still and yet i m not doing anything-can i ask if its not too personal  why are u considered havina personality disorder-sometimes i think that must be me too :)

[angst]

Meagain,
Are you okay today? You sound kind of upset or depressed?  Respond if you can.  I am concerned about you.  I miss talking to you.

[oh please already]

hey! hey! hey! GET BACK HERE! you dont make me feel worse-even when your down you give he hope ,youve shown me how to keep fighting the fight,so if u must go ,go just PLEASE DONT

[angst]

I used to be what was called a Byronic hero, not bionic.  I read a lot and loved Lord Byron.  He was never remorseful or regretted anything he did.  Those types of men, if they were intelligent enough, attracted me.  I only found one to be exact.
I like all the authors from the romatic era.
I have since grown up a bit, not so idealistic, and learned to be quite remorseful.  I do have few regrets, drugs being the biggest regret of my life.  I wonder if I will ever get to the point where I am off methadone and living a clean life.  I can see a light at the end of the tunnel.
I just cannot get stressed and slip up again.  I cannot use successfully.  I know that!  I get into a mindset where I literally think I deserve a K4.  At least I used to go there.
I am changing my way of thinking.  This forum has helped.
So please keep posting, Skipper.  Keep posting all you out there, I need your words of support.

[angst]

During my days of using, I did not care what would happen if I actually needed something for pain.  I kept shooting my K4's with increasing glee.  It is totally true about addiction being a progressive illness, whether you are using or not.
Every relapse was worse.  The second to last, I took $1200 and $1300 out of a joint account with my exhusband.  I thought it was monopoly money.  I was making $17/hr and getting overtime.  That job was the worst I had during my nursing career.  Dilaudid PCA's in ziplock bags.  Free for squirting a few cc's into another syringe, not that I'd do that, right.  Sorry about the incomplete sentences.
The last relapse I knew was coming.  I kept it to 2mg of dilaudid at a time and 3 or 4 times a day.  I could not afford anymore. K-4's run about $50 or $60 here.  If you can skip the middle man and buy in bulk, they are $20 or so.  I got to the methadone clinic as soon as I had the downpayment.  It has gotten better since then.
I has been over a year since I voluntarily gave up my nursing license.  I could get a doctor, my lawyer, and try to get back into the career.  Politics are really against me.  I know the attorney general here in MS due to my exhusband.  It might work.
But I am just now getting where I think I could be safe working around the drugs.  I am getting stronger and meaner when it comes to drugs.  I have to be.
Thanks for your post.  You are a God send.

[skipper]

angst:
about that chair....i would but it's raining here today. i've been
fascinated with your post lately. if i have it correctly you were
an RN? i was thief..specialised in drug store B&E. i used to per-
scribe to the phylosopphy of Jim Fogle (author of "drug store cow-
boy"), there was nothing a blue and a 1/16 couldn't fix! i guess
those days are long gone. what i'm most angry about is i never gave
much thought what i would do if i ever actually needed the opiates
i was shooting myself full of! gues i'll figure that one out...
maybe!

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

PS thanks

[angst]

You always seem so strong by your posts.  Sorry to hear about the bad times.  I used to date suicide, but I surrounded myself, in my room, with positive things.  I have my own religious icons, my art work along with some great artists work, and the pictures of Mother (who is dead) and my kid.  My foster sister is really into Church.  She is not my religion.  But she sends me religious cards.  I often place them where I can find them or see them.  Unconsciously, I hope these things work.  
After my kid found me on the floor when I od'd before, I do not want to put others through that kind of pain again.  I have since had a heart attack and my asthma is worse.  I probably would not make it next time around if I tried to od, intentional or otherwise.  
You have a lot of great advise and understanding.  Keep on posting.  I need your words of experience, strength and hope.  I empathize with the physical pain and the feeling that the whole word is **** sometimes.  But it is what we make it.  I plan to get outside if I can breath and work in my gardens.  It helps.  Sunshine is good for you.  Get a chair and Get some rays.

[skipper]

hey people:
sounds like more than a few of us are seeing some unpleasent days. went to the foot doc, only to find out the stitches in my toe are going to be there for at least another week. i didn't misbehave and ask for any more percocet 7.5 though. yesterday was just another bad day all the way around. fight with wife, fight with even the "good people" at work. screaming ******* pain from my neck down each arm....all this after my first bup free night (and oxy too). what can i say? i had about a week and a half of oxy (fifty-five 20mg. tablets and some IR's. i actually gave strong consideration to taking them all and just be done with it. instead i got real disgusted and flushed 'em all instead! i don't know why i do these things. i think underneath the pain and the grind of 35+ years of being a junky i'm just real sick of my ****, the worlds ****, etc.

my wife had put a few oxy's aside, so i did have a physically pain free night...back to the bub under the tounge today! write the whole thing off as a bad day, wipe away the tears and push on. what's my choice anyway? i really don't believe 50 some oxys would kill me. i'ld just be in trouble with a whole bunch of people any way and don't need an overdose (intentional or other
wise) to do that.

well, like i said i sure hope everyone can shake off the pain and
the blues. don't think i'm going to be posting much for awhile...
i just seem to to upset everyone, especially myself. there is a
lot to be said for going to the "quiet" mode....

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[angst]

i lived in a war zone from birth to 12 years old.  my dad was bipolar and an addict and alcoholic.  i lived with fight or flight 24 hours a day.  he tried to kill me and my family on a daily basis.  i started having anxiety attacks at 14 and the old family doctor put me on benzo's.
i got pregnant at 23, and went to see a phd in psychology.  she would only keep seeing me if i got off everything.  i did.  i thought i was going crazy for a month, but i made it through.  i had a 9lb and 4 oz  beautiful daughter.
the psychologist diagnosed me with the personality d/o.  she said i fall on the mild side of the spectrum.  i've always held down jobs for long periods of time until i became a heavy addict.
i'm not promiscuous either.
i do have the tendency to medicate myself.  i also self-mutilated since childhood.  that is a biggy for bdp.  the real definition is feelings of power mixed with feelings of deep inadequacy (sic).  that's me.