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Doctor caught me, I need advice asap please!
Long story short, I relapsed in 2012 and have been abusing again for about a year now.
I have been forging prescriptions- my doctor gas been writing me seperate prescriptions for oxycodone and adderrall. I have been filling the oxy, and also writing in a script for oxy on the adderrall script he gives me.
He called me tonight and said left a message saying he found "very troubling info" on how I obtain the medication. I called him back and he asked me to come in this Wednesday, and to bring the prescriptions I have.
I am so worried, I am aware what type of offense this is. My doctor is generally an easy going and nice guy. He is obviously upset now though. Does anyone think there is any chance that he will let me go, given that I come clean and return all the scripts he recently wrote me? (I was just in his office yesterday). Or do you guys think I'm for sure ******?? He told me to come in anytime wed to talk, I've didn't have a specific time, I even asked what time. I keep imagining myself leaving Wednesday in handcuffs (I am so scared and upset). At the same time, my logic is telling me that maybe he really just want to talk to me, and there's not going to be some official waiting for me to arrive all day kong.
I have so much to lose. I have a great job and I'm engaged to the love my life (she doesn't know). What do you guys think? Should I get a lawyer? Am I for sure going to be charged?
Any help would be much appreciated.
I have been forging prescriptions- my doctor gas been writing me seperate prescriptions for oxycodone and adderrall. I have been filling the oxy, and also writing in a script for oxy on the adderrall script he gives me.
He called me tonight and said left a message saying he found "very troubling info" on how I obtain the medication. I called him back and he asked me to come in this Wednesday, and to bring the prescriptions I have.
I am so worried, I am aware what type of offense this is. My doctor is generally an easy going and nice guy. He is obviously upset now though. Does anyone think there is any chance that he will let me go, given that I come clean and return all the scripts he recently wrote me? (I was just in his office yesterday). Or do you guys think I'm for sure ******?? He told me to come in anytime wed to talk, I've didn't have a specific time, I even asked what time. I keep imagining myself leaving Wednesday in handcuffs (I am so scared and upset). At the same time, my logic is telling me that maybe he really just want to talk to me, and there's not going to be some official waiting for me to arrive all day kong.
I have so much to lose. I have a great job and I'm engaged to the love my life (she doesn't know). What do you guys think? Should I get a lawyer? Am I for sure going to be charged?
Any help would be much appreciated.
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The old saying you do the crime you do the time always comes to mind when i read these. People are advised not to talk to anyone or go to rehab. When it comes to addiction we have to get brutally honest with ourselves and our loved ones as recovery is life changing and has to be to continue living clean. I fully understand trying to beat a rap but this always concerns me as getting clean has to be our decision, not just cuz we are running scared and we want to make it look better for the judge. Belle gave a good example in her post. This is just my opinion and i am not bashing anyone. I just know i had to face alot of truths these last few years. It wasnt fun but it was necessary for me to move forward.
It's okay to have a differing opinion.
IMO, I agree with what I see posted all the time here, that as an addict, their secrets keep them sick. There are just so many reasons why telling her would be the right thing, even if the worst possible outcome happened.
My biggest fear is that she will find out another way (expecially if LE does get involved). At that point, the damage is already done, and she would be very upset. I couldn't imagine how I would feel if I found out my husband had an addiction by way of DEA agents at my door. OMG, I couldn't imagine to be honest. I really doubt I would be willing to hear anything he had to say at that point. I'm just being honest...because it would be involving ME too, and that would be so unfair, to be blindsided. It's setting her up to be so shocked and unprepared, especially if they live in the same home, she may even need to be interviewed, just wouldn't be right to throw her into something like that when he hasn't told her anything. THAT would far more likely ruin the relationship than him telling her, and taking his chances, whether she's intolerant or not.
Again, just my opinion, but I think going into a marriage with a secret this big is just a HUGELY good way to guarantee the demise of the marriage...because I think there is a really good chance she is going to find out anyway somehow. Even if he tells her after he gets clean, it may be too late. I think the best thing we could do is always encourage people to be honest in these kinds of situations. What he chooses is his decision, and we'll support him in his recovery either way. But like sarah said, expect us to mention it and recommend it from time to time. ;0) Honesty is the best policy when it comes to advising someone about how to handle an addiction.
OP...how are you feeling today? Have you set up a taper plan? How many pills have you been taking, and how many do you have left? If you haven't yet set up a solid plan, you need to do that ASAP...because like I said, you're going to find yourself with an empty pill bottle and then would be forced to go cold turkey. CT is always an option, but you have enough to at least taper down to a lower dose before jumping. That would be optimal. A lot of addicts struggle with being able to taper, it's hard. Have you made any appts for therapy? Gone to any meetings?
Hope you're moving forward with your plans! Keep us updated! You've gotten some great advice, you have some things to ponder. I think YOU will probably feel better too if you had a consultation with a lawyer. Something to keep in mind. I think it would be important to do that sooner rather than later, because once you start having w/ds, you may be out of commission for a few days...so it's best to do that kind of stuff now. Plus, IF something were to happen, you never know when that would be. You wouldn't want to wait until someone is knocking at your door to make that call.
Thinking of you, hang in there, buddy!
IMO, I agree with what I see posted all the time here, that as an addict, their secrets keep them sick. There are just so many reasons why telling her would be the right thing, even if the worst possible outcome happened.
My biggest fear is that she will find out another way (expecially if LE does get involved). At that point, the damage is already done, and she would be very upset. I couldn't imagine how I would feel if I found out my husband had an addiction by way of DEA agents at my door. OMG, I couldn't imagine to be honest. I really doubt I would be willing to hear anything he had to say at that point. I'm just being honest...because it would be involving ME too, and that would be so unfair, to be blindsided. It's setting her up to be so shocked and unprepared, especially if they live in the same home, she may even need to be interviewed, just wouldn't be right to throw her into something like that when he hasn't told her anything. THAT would far more likely ruin the relationship than him telling her, and taking his chances, whether she's intolerant or not.
Again, just my opinion, but I think going into a marriage with a secret this big is just a HUGELY good way to guarantee the demise of the marriage...because I think there is a really good chance she is going to find out anyway somehow. Even if he tells her after he gets clean, it may be too late. I think the best thing we could do is always encourage people to be honest in these kinds of situations. What he chooses is his decision, and we'll support him in his recovery either way. But like sarah said, expect us to mention it and recommend it from time to time. ;0) Honesty is the best policy when it comes to advising someone about how to handle an addiction.
OP...how are you feeling today? Have you set up a taper plan? How many pills have you been taking, and how many do you have left? If you haven't yet set up a solid plan, you need to do that ASAP...because like I said, you're going to find yourself with an empty pill bottle and then would be forced to go cold turkey. CT is always an option, but you have enough to at least taper down to a lower dose before jumping. That would be optimal. A lot of addicts struggle with being able to taper, it's hard. Have you made any appts for therapy? Gone to any meetings?
Hope you're moving forward with your plans! Keep us updated! You've gotten some great advice, you have some things to ponder. I think YOU will probably feel better too if you had a consultation with a lawyer. Something to keep in mind. I think it would be important to do that sooner rather than later, because once you start having w/ds, you may be out of commission for a few days...so it's best to do that kind of stuff now. Plus, IF something were to happen, you never know when that would be. You wouldn't want to wait until someone is knocking at your door to make that call.
Thinking of you, hang in there, buddy!
Maybe my comment was inappropriate, I apologize. Anyway I wasn't trying to poke at the subject any further. One day this nightmare will all be behind you.
Late at night and being a newbie am surfing cause my particular predicament is dealing with my RLS , now that I have dumped the oxy I was using to treat the symptoms.
As for your fiance, only you can make that call. but.....................
I am 65 years old, do not have an addictive personality, but have had to suffer thru some withdrawl plans, cause some of the drugs the so called experts "doctors" have given me to deal with my severe RLS, specifically , clonazopam, and oxycodone, made me an addict per se, .
I'm ramblin, so let me get to the point. Your "wife to be" needs to be your lover, your best friend, your confidant, your sounding board, and the one person you know for sure you can go to when your life is a mess. If you start out with a lie, depending on how she finds out , you could blow it all, even if its down the road when that happens.
I got hooked on the benzo's accidently, and was suffering horribly, and when all my friends could not understand this, she stood by me tooth and nail till I beat the benzo's , and for your info, that was far far more difficult than dumping the oxy I did last Tuesday.
After putting her thru hell with my benzo withdrawl, I told her I would have to put her thru it again getting off the oxy, and her remark , whatever it takes, we'll get thru it togeather.
If she is the love of your life , she needs to know how difficult it is for you to deal with your addiction, and she may not like it, but if she is all you think she is , she will help you get thru it not walk away from you.
Just the opinion of an old man, but worth some more thought.
Best of luck to you...dealing with addiction is bad and going thru withdrawl from the drug worse.
As for your fiance, only you can make that call. but.....................
I am 65 years old, do not have an addictive personality, but have had to suffer thru some withdrawl plans, cause some of the drugs the so called experts "doctors" have given me to deal with my severe RLS, specifically , clonazopam, and oxycodone, made me an addict per se, .
I'm ramblin, so let me get to the point. Your "wife to be" needs to be your lover, your best friend, your confidant, your sounding board, and the one person you know for sure you can go to when your life is a mess. If you start out with a lie, depending on how she finds out , you could blow it all, even if its down the road when that happens.
I got hooked on the benzo's accidently, and was suffering horribly, and when all my friends could not understand this, she stood by me tooth and nail till I beat the benzo's , and for your info, that was far far more difficult than dumping the oxy I did last Tuesday.
After putting her thru hell with my benzo withdrawl, I told her I would have to put her thru it again getting off the oxy, and her remark , whatever it takes, we'll get thru it togeather.
If she is the love of your life , she needs to know how difficult it is for you to deal with your addiction, and she may not like it, but if she is all you think she is , she will help you get thru it not walk away from you.
Just the opinion of an old man, but worth some more thought.
Best of luck to you...dealing with addiction is bad and going thru withdrawl from the drug worse.
Wow...typos from autocorrect. Lol. Hiding THINGS (although hiding thongs aren't good either. Lol). And the truth comes out SOONER or later! Sorry. Autocorrect isn't always correct!
I've been keeping up with this thread since day one and have decided to chime in here. I respectfully disagree with daj3. Hiding thongs from your fiance is never a good idea. The old saying "what you dont know, wont hurt you" is not true. The truth always comes out dinner or later. Wouldn't you rather her be upset about the pills rather than upset about the pills and the lies? You aren't giving her the chance to support you here. She might be the best person in the world to lean on! If she can't understand your addiction (because you will always be an addict) then maybe she isn't the one for you! How would you feel if she was keeping secrets from you? What if the cops do get involved? Do you really want her finding out about all this because you are in jail? I agree that you have a lot going on right now and if she was to leave you in the middle of all this then it would make this harder but you have to give her the option of staying and helping you or leaving and you do it for you! Sorry. I just had to chime in because I think lying to your fiance is the worse thing you could do right now! She needs to know the real you! She deserves that and you deserve to know the truth about her too!
Exactly, I agree completely. My sister could have potentially did some time if she was not in treatment and had an unsympathetic judge... I just hope she will get help for the Methadone she used to get off the Norcos...
I'm a newbie here so excuse me for chiming in late. I read some posts pertaining to your fiancé and I will have to disagree with some people. You are right to be doing what you are doing. Some things are better left unsaid-especially if she is as headstrong as you previously mentioned.
It sounds like you are ready to be clean and sober. This mishap was lesson enough- add in all the ******** you are about to go through coming off drugs- you do not need to further complicate your life.
I think a lot of people here know about opiates and withdrawal- and the depression that accompanies it. Couple that with whatever may happen with her could devastate him. Not to mention everything else. I just hope your careful.
Might I suggest trying to be open about NA? She might be suspicious about why your arriving home late. She knows your history- I don't know- just trying to be helpful. Maybe she could also attend Alanon or whatever that program is to get a better understanding of addiction.
It sounds like you are ready to be clean and sober. This mishap was lesson enough- add in all the ******** you are about to go through coming off drugs- you do not need to further complicate your life.
I think a lot of people here know about opiates and withdrawal- and the depression that accompanies it. Couple that with whatever may happen with her could devastate him. Not to mention everything else. I just hope your careful.
Might I suggest trying to be open about NA? She might be suspicious about why your arriving home late. She knows your history- I don't know- just trying to be helpful. Maybe she could also attend Alanon or whatever that program is to get a better understanding of addiction.
Great info belle! That's why I was saying get clean now.Don't try to ride out the rest of your remaining script with hopes of tapering or getting clean later when they are gone.Now is the best time and a state run outpatient facility is next to nothing in cost. Be clean if and when you are contacted and there will be a night and day difference on how this goes.
Great advice, it's nice to be able to read about a similar situation, what all happened, and the outcome. Sounds like your sister is a lucky gal to have you! Hope she is doing well.
Hello...I am praying for you. My sister was in your EXACT situation, well she was " doctor " shopping. I knew she took pills, but had NO idea it was that bad. The DEA showed up at her door. She did not answer, she called me as I am an attorney. I told her to open the door. They did not arrest her, but set a date in two days for her to be interviewed. Needless to say, I came with and and would interrupt and tell her not to answer certain questions. One was very nice, the other an a hole, which is why I told her that. She had already started an outpatient treatment, so they were pretty lenient with her. She did have to face a judge, but being in treatment saved her a**! I had to keep a stone face as they brought out a huge packet of records of forgeries and doctor shopping. I was floored! I showed no reaction. She was so scared as she is a single mom. Since she was already in treatment before she got caught she ended up with probation. I would stress to you to please get in an outpatient treatment ASAP, because as an attorney I know judges take that into consideration if it EVER goes that far. She was never even flagged! Now she is abusing methadone and Ativan which is a lethal combo. I am so scared for her. I will be praying for you and rooting for you. Get a taper schedule ASAP....Namaste
Good advice!
I don't think a little preparation and a little thought about the possibilities is going to take his focus off his recovery. I don't think he should be obsessively worried about the "what ifs", but it's definitely helpful to hear some differing thoughts and input about any possible legal ramifications.
Most lawyers will give you an initial consultation for free. I don't think it would hurt to talk to someone, and like someone said earlier, to have a lawyer on "speed dial" per se who you've talked to, that way IF someone contacts you, you can call the lawyer and find out how to proceed to best protect yourself. Most I believe will tell you NOT to talk to LE, not before speaking to a lawyer first.
I don't think a little preparation and a little thought about the possibilities is going to take his focus off his recovery. I don't think he should be obsessively worried about the "what ifs", but it's definitely helpful to hear some differing thoughts and input about any possible legal ramifications.
Most lawyers will give you an initial consultation for free. I don't think it would hurt to talk to someone, and like someone said earlier, to have a lawyer on "speed dial" per se who you've talked to, that way IF someone contacts you, you can call the lawyer and find out how to proceed to best protect yourself. Most I believe will tell you NOT to talk to LE, not before speaking to a lawyer first.
Been debating saying this, as I don't want to scare you or take your focus off your recovery. But in my estimation, it will do more good, so: You really should talk to a lawyer, just in case. If law enforcement (LE) contacts you, you really need to be ready. And that means: Do not say ANYTHING without a lawyer! Know and understand your 4th and 5th Ammendment rights, and use them! I am not at all anti-police, please don't take it that way. Be polite, cooperative, respectful, and insist on your rights...
I still think you need to tell your G/F. It is one of those things that i bet if she finds out on her own she will question the whole relationship and think I wonder what else he has lied about? Please consider that I would hate to see her leave you for doing the right thing. I really believe if you are honest about everything she will be 100% be by your side and help you through your recovery. I am speaking as a woman and what I would probably think if i was in her position. Plaese consider what I have said!
Very Good Ricart...One day at a Time...Stress is a big down fall in Recovery..
God Bless us ALL...
God Bless us ALL...
Hi hollow
How are you doing today? Try not to worry about the subtrafuge charge that may and may not ever happen. Just focus on getting clean for right now.If you are clean when and if this ever becomes an issue,they will definitely take that into account. Hang in there and keep letting us know how you are.That's all I really care about in this situation,definitely not about whether or not the cops get you.
How are you doing today? Try not to worry about the subtrafuge charge that may and may not ever happen. Just focus on getting clean for right now.If you are clean when and if this ever becomes an issue,they will definitely take that into account. Hang in there and keep letting us know how you are.That's all I really care about in this situation,definitely not about whether or not the cops get you.
Where are you at? Which state? I'm pretty sure that's an accross the board law in most places, but I could be wrong. There are definitely more restrictions and safeguards in place on the higher classed narcotics.
If you got them filled at multiple pharmacies, and no one said anything, then maybe it isn't a law. I'm just curious for informational sakes. I'll have to look it up.
If you got them filled at multiple pharmacies, and no one said anything, then maybe it isn't a law. I'm just curious for informational sakes. I'll have to look it up.
Forged about 6-8 in 3 month timeframe. It was at multiple mainstream pharmacy's. not one technician ever said anything about that... Maybe it's not a law anymore? I've filled about 600-800 pills thIs way and at multiple pharmacy's.
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We will be here to support you. This is your recovery and you have to do what you feel is the best. Hopefully in time you will feel comfortable enough to tell her. AND anyone who knows me knows i will bring it up from time to time!! lol
Excellent point, JB! I believe that is still the way it works. Just like the schedule II meds cannot be CALLED in either (and many other scheduled meds following suit), there are those safeguards in place.
That's very true, that the pharmacy will likely have to answer for that. That's a big no no. The DEA may have to interview the OP to verify that indeed HE was the one who forged the script, so they can rule out any funny business with the pharmacy. They would be way more concerned about something shady going on with the pharmacy.
Hollow...how many forged scripts do you think they filled? Was it always the same pharmacy?
That's very true, that the pharmacy will likely have to answer for that. That's a big no no. The DEA may have to interview the OP to verify that indeed HE was the one who forged the script, so they can rule out any funny business with the pharmacy. They would be way more concerned about something shady going on with the pharmacy.
Hollow...how many forged scripts do you think they filled? Was it always the same pharmacy?
Sounds like you are doing the right thing as far as getting clean. I wanted to add something regarding what you said the doc said when he did his report to the DEA....that he wasn't sure how you were getting the drugs. I was a pharmacy technician back when i was in college for 5 years. When I first read your posts a few days ago I thought, "what pharmacy would fill a C2 adderall script with oxycodone written on it?" Unless things have changed, a C2 script is supposed to be written as only 1 drug on the prescription....no other drugs on it at all, which is why your doc gave you 2 scripts, 1 for each med. where I worked, we wouldn't have filled that prescription with 2 meds for controlled substances on it. The pharmacy may have to explain that one to the DEA. Unless things have changed, since I haven't worked as a tech in almost 10 years.
The DEA generally works in a more regulatory capacity with regards to pharmacies than LE. The exception would probably be a massive diversion of opiates. Doesn't mean they can't, but would likely never. The script forgery would be handled by the local Sheriff or police.
You would never lose support here....just know that we can be bossy and will always be honest (lol)...never get offended, and know we always mean well. ;0)
It's YOUR life, and YOUR decisions, and while we are giving you the best advice we can from where we're at, there's no judgment involved if you don't follow our advice. We recognize that saying it is a lot easier than doing it...and certainly from what you've explained, I can understand your reservations. I would just hate to see the relationship go south after you get clean, because she may discover you withheld this from her. That would be so unfortunate.
I really appreciate your honesty and striaghtforward posts. It's nice to see that you're reading, and hearing us, but that you're being honest with where you're at..that's not always easy to do when you perceive that people will be disappointed. Don't feel that way.
We're ALL pulling for you! Sounds like you've started making a plan...that's great. As long as you are moving in the right direction, that's progress. I would definitely make calculating the taper a top priority. You've got a good bit to work with, but you don't want to find yourself looking at an empty bottle not knowing what to do next.
Keep us updated! Wishing the best for you!
It's YOUR life, and YOUR decisions, and while we are giving you the best advice we can from where we're at, there's no judgment involved if you don't follow our advice. We recognize that saying it is a lot easier than doing it...and certainly from what you've explained, I can understand your reservations. I would just hate to see the relationship go south after you get clean, because she may discover you withheld this from her. That would be so unfortunate.
I really appreciate your honesty and striaghtforward posts. It's nice to see that you're reading, and hearing us, but that you're being honest with where you're at..that's not always easy to do when you perceive that people will be disappointed. Don't feel that way.
We're ALL pulling for you! Sounds like you've started making a plan...that's great. As long as you are moving in the right direction, that's progress. I would definitely make calculating the taper a top priority. You've got a good bit to work with, but you don't want to find yourself looking at an empty bottle not knowing what to do next.
Keep us updated! Wishing the best for you!
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1) Your doctor is aware that you've committed prescription fraud
2) Your pharmacy likely caught the forgery and contacted your doctor
It is harder to be sure of the following:
1) Whether your pharmacy knows you committed fraud. They may have called or faxed your doctor, who may or may not have confirmed fraud
2) Whether your doctor knows the extent of your fraud yet
3) If law enforcement has been involved yet
If it were me, I would assume that my doctor, if not aware already, will easily be able to learn about the extent of the fraud (the past forgeries). I would be hoping beyond hope that he has not gotten back to the pharmacy yet, as they have strict laws governing when they must contact law enforcement. I would do the legwork in advance to find a criminal attorney who specializes in this sort of thing. I wouldn't actually hire him/her yet, but I'd have him/her on speed dial. And I would follow the advice you've already been given: Come clean to the doctor, 100% clean, and throw yourself on his/her mercy. Part of that reality is that this means it's time to get clean - and I would demonstrate that I was absolutely committed to this when I talked to the doctor. You've committed a victimless crime (other than yourself), and if your doctor understands addiction, they may see helping you as a bigger priority than punishing you. But if I were them, I'd want to see someone who was utterly honest, and utterly committed to getting help.
I wish you the best, and please let us know how it works out.