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Does the "Thomas recipe" work? If not what helps

I have been addicted to pain pills for the last ten years or so. I take A LOT of whatever I can get my hands on most commonly 80mg oxies 200mg morphine slow release Statex which is another form of morphine but a quick release as well as a quick release of oxies called Super doll. I'm not proud whatsoever very much ashamed actually. I NEED to detox but I don't have nearly enough self control taper myself and can't take time off to do it. I've been looking at the "thomas recipe" a lot the last few days and it has me very intrigued. If this doesn't work can you please point me in the right direction I've been hooked for far too long and am no longer the active happy person I should be. I work away from home and before I leave I'm so worried if I have enough pills to last the week even if I do I'm too damn week to make them last the week and come Thursday I'm freking out and can't tell anyone at work cause I can't lose my job. I just need some help and some advise on at least how to cut the cold sweats while I'm at work cause I cannot function without the pills.
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First off-good for you for asking for help.  Second of all-given the amount of pills you are taking and the duration the detox no matter what you get to help (and yes The Thomas Recipe has been a godsend for me)  You are looking at atleast 4-7 days of detox misery.  Have you seen a doctor?  Thought about a taper?  There are meds like clonidine that help significantly with the withdrawal symptoms.  I am on day 6 of detox and feeling a tiny bit better everyday.  It does take mental strength and a real desire to be well-the physical part is miserable but like a terrible flu it does pass.  Regardless-if you can't taper you are going to have to take the time off and it sounds like you need to do this.  This is your life afterall.  There are alot more knowledgeable people on here than me.  Hopefully someone will come along with more advice.  Take care of yourself and keep posting.
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Hi.  Im not more knowledgeable than lulu, but I have been thru withdrawals several times.  First off, what are you taking all this medication for?  It seems like alot of stuff, you will definitely need a taper program with all these meds, and you will want some time alone when you get completely off.  Im just telling you what ive experienced, like i say, its just my opinion but I didnt take that much and I didnt want to be around anyone.  The thomas recipe helps tremendously but you will have some bad days, like lulu said at least 3-5 for sure.  keep posting, i genuinely care for people and want to know.  Good luck to you! :)
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I have detoxed twice and used the Thomas recipe. It was a life saver as I am a mother to a 6 year old. I tried to taper as well however I never had the strength to do so. Do you have any vacation time at work you can take? Lulu is right in saying it will be about 4 to 7 days. I was at the low end of that time frame by gods grace but I felt like a big blob of nothing for 3 days. I know you can do this! You have already taken the first steps on the road to recovery, you admitted you have a problem, you have the will to quit and you have asked for help!! That's amazing right there. You have found an incredible place to come to with questions and even just to vent. Honestly my first 4 days I stayed on here as much as I could I didn't always post but I read a lot and it helped me knowing I was not alone. We are all here for you! I am now one month clean and I feel better everyday. I look forward to know how you are doing not only at your one month mark but beyond that. My heart and prayers are with you!
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i like your name . . . most of us don't make it into sustained recovery until we become willing to go to any length to find recovery, and become willing to give up on half-measures.

i think the Thomas Recipe is a good start, but i have grave reservations about its call for valium.  also, it's a one-size-fits-all approach that i think can be easily refined.  i'd suggest the approach outlined in either The Mood Cure, by julia ross, or End Your Addiction Now, by charles gant.  most of julia's book is available on Google Books.

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I can't believe you guys already posted thank you so much. I would like to start this by saying that i messed up when i was staeting my account here and didnt see the gender part lol. I just needed to get what I said out. I am a male lol. I started taking them when I was young because I have broken numerous bones and most of my family is prescribed them and in very many ways it isn't much of a family. I was also in a car accident a few years ago and messed my back up really bad. In all honesty it turned recreational because I loved how I felt. I was a hell of a lot more productive at work I seemed to have much better stamina and I felt much better about myself in general and it being readily available made it that much more smooth to become the addict that I am now.  I also had some bad things happen to me when I was young and I use the drugs as a Way to take my mind off of it. I also use to do a lot of other drugs as a result of what happened and having to hold it all inside until just recently I started telling my girlfriend and talking to her about it as I said my family is not much of a family. I am very extremely ashamed of myself because I was clean for years when my beautiful baby girl was born and I was what I thought happily married and when I found out my wife was having an affair. It obviously crushed me in many ways. I thought we were happy and when I met her her family took me in and her father had much of the same childhood I did and for the first time in my life I knew what it felt like to actually have a family and feel loved and cared for.   I started using again because I broke my ankle really bad shortly after I found out and got prescribed medication for that and it made me stop crying and wanting to end it all. Looking back I now realize how incredibly stupid and week I am for doing so and feel that it's all just excuses. I also wanted to say how much better I felt when I first found this site and reading for hours about other peoples stories and struggles made me feel so much better and honestly took away the withdrawls just knowing that not only are these withdrawls not just in my head but that there were other people going through and beating the exact same demons. It makes me have hope for the future knowing that others have beat it. As far as the time off goes I have no vacation time yet I just started with this company about four months ago but Christmas is rapidly approaching and I get a week off then so I'm thinking that I'm going to get all of the ingredients in the recipe minus the valume.  It sounds like its just more to aid in rest and relaxation and I don't want to get addicted to another thing my body is messed up enough as it is so I'm going to substitute nyquill for and maybe sleeping pills once iin a while. My plan is to experiment with the recipe this week because I can handle everything so far except for the cold sweats and extreme loss of energy then I'm GOING to tackle it head on during the holidays. I also signed myself up for methadone treatment to start in mid January as a dead line for myself to do this by as I have no desire whatsoever to go on methadone. As far as I'm concerned no matter how well it works you're in reality just trading one addiction for the other. But none the less I signed myself up as a way to drill it into my thick skull that this is a real deal and I have a date to quit by. From the bottom of my heart again thank you all so very much for talking to me and helping me it truly means the world.
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I kept telling myself...YOU HAVE the FLU!  It will be over and I will feel so much better.  My brain seemed to get that and settled down a little.  It is hard, but doable!  The Thomas Recipe (bottom of the page under Health Pages will help.  I did not to the tranquilizers and had to cut back on the Ltryosine, but the rest really helped.  Imodium (immodium), Imodium (immodium), Imodium (immodium) (liquid or pills if the liquid can't be found or you can't swallow it) will help.  I took double the dosage for a few days (personal choice) and it helped so much..even with the withdrawals in general and the opiate trots which sucked.  

Hydrate and eat!  Even if it is just a little every hour or so.  You have to eat something to keep your energy up as much as possible.  

If you have Restless legs..it is hit or miss what works.  Walking seemed to help me some.  Hot bath with epsom salts..a little.  I finally had to get my doctor to refill my restless legs meds (non addictive) to get some sleep.  If nothing works,your doctor might help.  

One hour at a time is all anyone can ask.  After 2 weeks it gets a little better and I started to say, One day at a time!  Your brain will do all sorts of things to get you to take a pill.  I found if I was hungry..the cravings got worse.  I would try to eat a banana, a few grapes or a few crackers to get that under control.

Good for you.  I hope all goes well.  You have made a good start coming here....this site has helped me so much!!!  Keep posting!!!!!
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You have suffered a lot and I feel for you.  If I could give you one small piece of advice (it's something that I have to tell myself everyday and I don't always follow it but I'm getting better)  Don't be so hard on yourself.  Treat yourself with as much love and compassion as you can.  You wouldn't judge someone else as harshly as you are judging yourself.  You can address the addiction issues in aftercare.  For now be kind to yourself.  It is every human beings God given right to be happy and healthy.  You just have to want it bad enough.  Trust me-shame and regret are wasted emotions when you are feeling so fragile.  Take deep breaths and know that you can do this(:
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Thank you all so much. I'm starting my battle tomorrow and I'm going to keep posting its amazing how well just talking to people helps. I've got the ingredients and I'm very confident. Again thank you all from the bottom of my heart.
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Please seek out counseling it is very beneficial and will help get all your emotional wounds.pains and scars brought to the surface and dealt with.
You can live a drug free life and you can and deserve to be happy. We all do. Don't allow yourself to be a victum anymore.
Your recovery starts today.you already took the first step and admitted your addiction.the battle can be won. The road called recovery is a long and winding one. A marathon not a sprint. Day by day. Keep the faith.
Look into support groups. Na/aa. Celebrate recovery or overcomers outreach. Continue to post for support someone is always here.
Hugs and prayers
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Please seriously reconsider going on methadone. That will become another habit that is very long and hard to break.
Please rid your house of any pills before you start your detox. It is also important to loose all your connections to getting pills.
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It really did start today I was just putting off the inevitable in wanting to start tomorrow. I know it's not much but it's been a whole thirteen hours and I'm still feeling pretty confident. I've been thinking about going to talk to someone professionally for a bit now I guess maybe its time for that to stop being put off too.
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HI yourChristmas break sounds like a good time to do this try and get a hold of your doctor and have him prescribe clonadine its a B/P mer that takes away a lot of the withdrawal symptoms between that and the thomas resipe you should be able to make it threw WHATER YOU DO DONT GO TO METHADONE!!! it will be like jumping from the frying pan into the fire
the withdrawals from methadone are the wost of all the narcotics because they last so long I did methadone for 6 1/2 yr and was sick for 90 days after I came off it and getting off it requirs a taper something you no good at so stick with the pills keep posting for support let us know when you start good luck and God bless......Gnarly
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Signing up for the methadone was purely just a last result to put it into my head that I do have a problem. I have no desire at all to go on methadone I personally don't see the point in going on it for six years just as a way to avoid a week of hell. Im not going to do it because between the Thomas recipe and you guys and now with the clonidene I'm abnormally positive that I AM going to do this. I have things that I'm going to reward myself with afterwards as well. Things I've been putting off since I was young but have always wanted to do. I feel so very blessed that I've found this sight as well as all of you to aid me in this. It's weird but I've never had a family per say. I have the outer shell of a family but it's not a family at all. It's almost like I've found a family in you at very least people i can actually confide In and I just can't begin to explain how good that feels and how confident I am that I CAN AND AM GOING TO DO THIS. I want my body back my immunity back I want to be happy again and not dwell on being a loser. I want to be able to play with my baby girl without needing to stop just to go get some stupid pills. I just plain and simple want to be me again. I truly feel that this is going to work. From the bottom of my heart EVERYONE thank you so very much. Lots of people in our situation would be ready to die but not me no sir I'm dying to live.
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You are amazing! I know you can do this!
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Good for you!  Honestly-a positive mental attitude is the only way to do this. We are always much stronger than we think we are.  Keep going and keep posting.
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I'm for sure going to keep posting its amazing how much better I feel just talking to you guys and getting all of this support. I just simply absolutely cannot thank you enough
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How are you feeling?? Has it been 34 hours since you last used??
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I've never used the Thomas Recipe so I can't comment on it, but valium is called for to help sleep.  Valium doesn't help me sleep while I'm going through withdrawels, it can make me sleepy and put me to sleep for about 5 hours, but then when I wake up the valium isn't worn off and I feel lathargic from it with a heachache.  This ontop of my other withdrawel symptoms isn't worth it.   Maybe valium will help me sleep better after 5 - 7 days have passed and my body starts to level out.  

I suggest marijuana if you already smoke it., but not if it would be your first time.  I've been a habitual marijuana user for over 15 years so I already know that it helps my body with different ailments at times.  It sooths most of my symptoms from withdrawels.
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Well it's official I'm now three hours away from EVERYTHING. I do have to admit though I slipped this morning before leaving for work and am very ashamed of myself. On the other hand I believe all of the 200 mg morphine should be pretty well worked out of my system almost and only have the 10 mg fast acting oxies left in me so hopefully that will help with the harshness of the withdrawls being out of town and at work I'll take whatever help I can get.
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I really hope I still have a Job when this is over. I've decided that my health is far more important than a job so I'm taking the rest of the week off sick. Hopefully the worst is over soon. I'm to week to taper. If I have drugs I take them and when they don't even get me high anymore I take lots. It shameful I know. That's what I said screw it and get it done no matter the repercussions.
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Yes your health and sobriety are much more important. Please get rid of all the  pills you have. If they are in the house you will take them.flush all of them. . Go through the detox all at once from everything.
Make sure you keep hydrated.lots of gatorade.juices.water. it is important to move around as much as possible. Take small walks to start. Immodium. Keep yourself busy. Delete all numbers of your dealers.  You can do this. Were you able to see a doctor to get clonidine?? Can you go to the doctors and get a note that says you are sick??
I am praying for you
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Thats exactly what I'm trying to do but I got back to town to late today so I'm gonna go tomorrow and see about the note and clonidine. Already got rid of everything I had connections all know what's going on and not to talk to me and they're close enough to me they won't.  Only thing I'm counting on is the doctor hooking me up with a note saying I'm sick. Gonna be one rough week but more then worth it.
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the thomas resipe wont get you around withdrawals but it will make them a little more bearable you have quite a habit going there and its not going to be ez to break I dont think there is going to be a way to hide this mabe pawn it off as the flu but its going to show your on a boat load of narcotics on the bright side if you just jump it willl be over in about a week and many people work threw there withdrawals I wish you luck on this one God bless......Gnarly
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Wholly crap this is by far the longest I've ever gone without taking anything. A whole 36 hours and only really had a couple episodes other then soar as hell. I couldn't get clonidine cause the doctor is lazy I'm assuming cause he said there's just too much monitoring cause if he gives me the wrong dose my blood pressure is going to do something and he'd have to change it. Oh well I got this.
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You do have this.  Stay strong and please let us know how you are doing.  So glad you are putting your health before your job because let's be honest-if you don't take care of this now the chances of you losing everything are high.  You can have the life you always wanted.  Sending you happy thoughts and support...Lu
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This is the first time since I can remember that I'm leaving town to build some **** and I don't have a bottle full of pills in my bag. I can't thank everyone enough I don't think I could have done this without all of you thank you so much. I feel better then I have in YEARS still a little weak but the way I work I'll have my muscle back soon enough. Again thank you so very much
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YEA!! Awesome news!.., I think you started a few days before me and it seems like we were taking similar meds and dosages.  The only symptoms I'm experiencing is sore restless muscles and joints.  Along with that my emotions are spiking up and down.  Are you feeling any other side effects?  It sounds you like kicked ur addiction pretty well so far and back on track to controlling your life.  Congratulations :)
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Thanks you congradulations to you too. I'm just soar ya muscles and joints same stuff. Lots of water and electrolytes are helping  a lot especially electrolytes. Gatorade powerade it doesn't matter.
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Other then that I can't believe how good I feel I've been really happy the last few days. Blew up a couple times before that but now it's all good.
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Congrats to u both.....awesome job....keep posting when u can.. I love these stories.....best wishes....
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Hey mr clean. Thanks for the update. That is awesome. Keep up the ggood work.keep on truckin.keep on keepin on.keep fighting thr good fight.you are winning. Get to a support group and to some counseling.it will help you continue on the road of recovery.
May the LORD continue to bless you
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I have been trying off and on to stop. I used to take bout 20 10mg narcos. Now I take maybe 7.5 two a day. But I just can't seem to stop taking those two. I can go every other day wothout but the next day I have to take one or two. I work part time and have a five and two year old I find it easier to work then stay home during withdraws I think its because takes my mind off of it. I got all the stuff for the Thomas recipe but the benzo I don't want to get addicted to something else. The only thing that gets me is the lack of energy the rest I can deal with but not having energy I can't. I have the l-tryosine and have been trying that but not really working hopefully I can end this soon I hate living like this. Any suggestions for energy coffee ok to drink? Any other vitamins that might help I have zinc mag cal vitamin d along with gaba, b complex and the l-tryosine that I have been taking.
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Stay strong!!! I was there were you are, I have 6 kids and work at home, I was doing the same thing at first I was taking the same thing you are, so I know, with my hectic life and with the pill addiction trying to juggle it all was way too much everything kind of slacked! I did what you doing got the TR stuff and made excuses. Please Keep it Real with yourself. At this point it mind over matter, and our brain can play some Jedi mind tricks...lol Try the TR instead of Valium use Valerian Root (natures Valium) it works, for sleep try Melatonin, Good luck...let me know in a couple of days how you feel, I don't to offend you in anyway, you sounded like me with the excuses..lol
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Thanks. Yea it really is mind over matter. How long did it take u to feel normal again?
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I still don't feel totally normal yet. My muscles hurt and my joints hurt and my diet sure isn't back to normal yet but I haven't touched anything since 10:00 last tuesday morning. About friday the withdrawls got under control. I'm a father of a five year old her mom and I aren't together which saved me for this cause I needed to be alone so I could just focus on what I needed to do and bullhead it run that junk over. I needed to see that it was me that ran my life not a pill. Or a bunch of pills. For energy honestly stay well hydrated and get electrolytes into you Gatorade poweraid it doesnt matter they're good for picking you up when and also helps with soar muscles if it's from dehydration. It helped me A LOT. I take a liquid multi vitamin and some fish oils along with the rest of the recipe. I don't know if it's helping but it's amazing for you so it can't hurt.
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How long did it take u to feel better
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Keep eating and hydrated.  It can make a big difference!  You are doing wonderful.  Keep it up!  
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Thanks I feel so much better already I love being able to wake up and feel rested not where I don't want to get out of bed. I'm never late to work like I used to be all time. Really is amazing how much better u can feel.
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I have lots of herbal teas and vitamins that are helping a lot I believe
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I'm a mother of a 11 month old boy. I'm tired of taking lortabs for everything little thing that hurts. I don't enjoy taking them and it's getting worse. I have been 2 days without taking one and I have cramps in my calf and have the sweats. I don't know what to do. I'm scared to tell my family because my brother is addicted to pills. Please help I'm alone
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i know exactly how you feel!!!!  I was in a car accident in 2006 pronounced dead at the scene. the docs had me on dilodid(wrong spelling)lol for some time .  to this day im still taking perks & vics(20 10's a day)whatever i can get my hands on. i have a 8 yr old daughter who means the world to me & it just kills me that every couple weeks when i can't "find anything" I'm sick & she's having to play doctor. Noone in my family knows about this problem..they all just think i'm depressed, which also, I am. I really , really have to kick this habit once & for all... If the energy would go up i could handle the rest...im a VERY strong person but with these WD it makes me helpless..To all the people who do recover I wish you the best & DONT EVER put a pill to your lips again!! If I can do it I hope I never hear the word narcotic again..this has truthfully wasted 5 yrs of my life & over 10,000 or more depressed to really find out but hopefully today is the start of my NEW HAPPY LIFE! GOD BLESS EVERYONE GOING THROUGH THIS. YOUR NOT ALONE!!
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i HAVE BEEN AN ADDICT AL MY LIFE. Started with vics and then progressed to anything that will get me high. I love Narcotics the way the makeme feel. I was on Methadone 60-100mg/day for ten years. Screwed up and was kicked out with nothing. I found Suboxone and have been taking that for a year. Usally 8mg/day sometimes 16mg/day then other times just half a strip. I dont want to do this anymore. I love the feeling of confidence it gives me but my supply has run out. I am on day 3 of no subs. I cant sleep my legs are jumping. I feel like crap. I dont think my Dr will help. He doesnt belive in this type of treatment more of the holostic type. How can I get the thomas recipe supplies I need. I cant lose my job or my wife. Both no nothing about this. I have not slept for 3 days now and I am to sick to work. Can you help.
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After much research, my 20 year old daughter, who has a $50-$100/day habit of heroin has asked for my help....I started her on "The Thomas Recipe" and today is day 3. So far, so good. I am so grateful, but SHE KNOWS there is still a long road ahead. Today has been the hardest day thus far. I bought a bunch of fruits as well as the recipe items and plenty of water. No more soda. I am praying that this helps her and for good., however the hardest thing for her and you is to know that SHE/YOU have the ultimate decision of your life to say "I AM READY TO STOP"! To ALL OF YOU that are trying to quit the "opiate craze", I am praying for you as well and as though you are my own child or relative. BE STRONG! Tell yourself everyday day and as often as you can, "I CAN DO THIS FOR ME~!" Get rid of all the people in your life who can help you score and figure out your triggers and avoid them as best as you can. I will update Dani's progress in the days to come. I hope that for my daughter and YOU, this too shall pass. Lisa
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After much research, my 20 year old daughter, who has a $50-$100/day habit of heroin has asked for my help....I started her on "The Thomas Recipe" and today is day 3. So far, so good. I am so grateful, but SHE KNOWS there is still a long road ahead. Today has been the hardest day thus far. I bought a bunch of fruits as well as the recipe items and plenty of water. No more soda. I am praying that this helps her and for good., however the hardest thing for her and you is to know that SHE/YOU have the ultimate decision of your life to say "I AM READY TO STOP"! To ALL OF YOU that are trying to quit the "opiate craze", I am praying for you as well and as though you are my own child or relative. BE STRONG! Tell yourself everyday day and as often as you can, "I CAN DO THIS FOR ME~!" Get rid of all the people in your life who can help you score and figure out your triggers and avoid them as best as you can. I will update Dani's progress in the days to come. I hope that for my daughter and YOU, this too shall pass. Lisa
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Well... Im so incredinly ashamed in myself I just couldn't stay away :( ...It's intresting that you said to rid yourself of all of the people that can ultimatly inable you to relapse as I am well aware that that was the biggest contributer to me doing it. My problem is that my whole family is deeply addicted to pills that I can't detatch myself unless I abandon my family.  I am not blaiming them for my mistakes.  I know I have no one to blaim whatsoever other then myself Im the one that did it not them, but it does make it really hard for me to even want to talk to them about anything to do  with this and believe anything that they say. One person who wants me to go on methadone and is pressing the subject so hard that I want to knock him out to shut him up. I dont want it I dont need it I dont want anything to do with it, he's talked so much that he's got pretty much everyone thinking that it's the best thing in the world. I think it does absolutely nothing.  Even if it does get you off of whatever it's just trading one addiction for another.  Granted it is a life saver for some people who actually need it but I don't need it.  I know I'm much stronger  then that but I don't feel like I am lately and NEED TO DO THIS so I came to the only place that I got support from in the first place
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hey Desperate, i have been on opana for just over a month. 15-30 mg which is equal to about 50-100mg oxy's. im tapering down to nothing now and been withdrawing for days, I think im getting closer to conquering this thing with god's help and my loved ones support but im still gonna be in hell a few more days minimum. you can do this! i hate you relapsed but it happens to everyone on every drug. take care of yourself. I was really pulling for you around christmas time but you will make it if you try again. i am gonna kick this trash for good. its not worth the withdraws or being a slave to dope. Get your life back!
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Welcome back. You may want to post a new thread with current status, this one is 8 months old and may lose some attention. After care, After care, After care! I got so damn sick of hearing people tell me that. I hope you find something that works for you, but the grip of this problem never goes away. You may feel on top of the world and in total control, then have a beer a celebrate your wonderful life. In a 24hr period you can throw it out the window and spiral into a 10yr bender. There is no problem in the world that drugs can't  make worse.
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I've been addicted to Opiates for 10 years and I hate to say this with such a easy way, but relapse is so common.  I started with vicodin when I had multiple surgerys cause I had a terrible accident during a TT motorcycle road race where I nearly died, which ended my career with motorcycles..well racing them anyways.  But I ended up addicted to Oxys, then Heroin, and then Suboxone.  Suboxone has had to be the worst thing I have ever done.  Its is the freaking devil.  It's like having a terrible flu for a month.  I'm telling you this cause I wished times before I was detoxing off the other opiates other than Suboxone.  I started to take Suboxone to get off Oxys.  I've read your previous posts and understand totally.  I suggest you seek professional help other than a doctor who is gonna put you on something that will just only prolong the hell you are gonna have to go through eventually unless, you want to stay on pain meds the rest of your life.  Stay away from Methadone and Suboxone.. they are hell to get off of.
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One more thing.  Every person I know that has gone to methadone has never got off it and is now just a walking zombie, feeding off of a government controlled substance.  I've taken methadone before and it got me extremely high.  I didn't like that so i went to Suboxone cause it don't really get you high.  Little did I know that Suboxone is just as bad as methadone, i think worse.  If you think oxycodone or hydrocodone is bad detoxing off of, multiply that by ten and that's what methadone will be like.
Stay away from it!
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I am new to this forum, but have been following it for some time. I have been battling my opiate addiction for some time. Started with vicodin after some medical issues, then percocet, then snorting the percocet when I couldn't afford what it took to get me high just swallowing them. Then smoking them and eventually buying heroin when I couldn't find my drug of choice. I luckily never shot any of it up, which I'm grateful for because I know how much worse the detox would have been, not to mention how much further down the rabbit hole I could have gone. I already owe my family so much, it's ridiculous really.
Anyhow, I am on day 3 of this and cannot tell you how much I am grateful to the Thomas Recipe (I substituted the benzos for lyrica and neurontin - which I have heard mixed things about) Quite frankly I can't imagine how it could be any worse than any benzo out there as far as addictive qualities go and replacing addictions. At any rate, it's been a godsend these last few days as it alleviated almost all of the awful withdrawal symptoms, apart from the cravings and overall depression. I woke up this morning and was just ready to get the hell out of bed, so I started the L-tyrosine and apart from being really weak and out of breath, am feeling ok. As soon as I am up to it (meaning the next few days before my idiotic brain convinces I'm ok) I'll be getting some aftercare plans going, i.e a good addiction counselor. I am very afraid because my entire adult life, beyond that - even since my teens - I have aggressively sought out ways to self medicate. I have never learned to love myself and I'll be thirty in 3 weeks. Look forward to hearing all your comments.
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Hello all,
Firstly I would like to thank you all for your honesty and sharing your intimate thoughts, feelings and fears with us - one of most difficult steps in rehab, second only perhaps to admitting to yourself and others that you are an addict....Well done you!
I would like to tell you all my story of addiction. I apologise in advance if it is long but I think many others will have been in my position and take something from it. Ideally I would like anyone who is thinking of taking drugs to read how they have really affected my own life. People say you should learn from your mistakes, I beg of you PLEASE learn from mine - it might just save your life! Seriously, NO JOKE!
Well then, here goes: I started experimenting with drugs from 14. My group of friends and I made a pact to try every drug we could get our hands on from A-Z to experience the buzz.(sounded like a good idea at the time!)
By the age of 17 we were smoking bongs and spliffs of weed all day every day, going to raves, taking amphetamines, ecstacy, LSD, and ketamine - even sniffing glue, petrol, gas and anything else we thought would buzz us.
We had tried so many but kept returning to heroin. It started as a 'one off' then once a couple of weeks, then every week, twice a week, then inevitably every day. We never believed the stories people said that "if you took it you'd end up in the gutter begging for scraps of food" - How wrong we were!
By the age of 20 we were all heroin addicts smoking half a gram a day and smoking crack when we could steal enough money from our loved ones!
I decided enough was enough sought treatment through my Doctor - another decision I would live to regret.(I'll explain later)
I then got ready for my appointment at the docs where I thought I'd be given treatment straight away so I took as much smack and crack as I could as it was going to be the last time - WRONG! I was put on a clinics waiting list and wouldn't get seen for another 4 MONTHS they were that busy.
I was placed on a methodone programme with regular drug tests. 3 strikes and your out type thing. I was told they would start reducing the methodone when I was stable on my dose after 2 or 3 months. Then they would reduce it by 2.5ml every month. I was started on 95ml so at that rate it would take nearly 3-and-a-half years!!
I cut myself of from my friends, stayed in the house and reduced 5ml every 2 weeks, sometimes every week. I started exercising, building slowly over time, walking about a mile, then after a couple of weeks jogging it, then running it which really does help withdrawls especially restleggs legs which I really suffer from.
I was feeling great, I was getting my life back on track, earning back some trust and respect from my family and feeling rather proud. I wanted to make something of myself so with my new found enthusiasm for life I applied to join the army, passed the tests but was told I needed to declare my medical history, it was all on record so I had to be honest and say I was on a methodone program because I had made some bad choices and took the wrong path and now I am taking control. I received a letter from their cheif medical officer stating that as long as I carried on I could "re-apply after being drug and treatment free for 2 years" and they would "Happily accept" me. Ok, great, another target to aim for and a chance to train and get really fit.
However, just like Desperatetoeclean I went to see my old mates to try and show them how well I was doing but they were still bang at it...."you want some mate?" they said. "nah, sod that I'm doing really well". "Go on, u ent had it for ages you'll be alright, u can take it just once". Then the cogs in my head start up; the sight of it running on the foil, the smell of the smoke filling the air, my synapses start firing up and taking over my willpower "yeah, they're right, it won't hurt. I can treat myself, I've done really well, it has been ages, I'm not addicted anymore so I can do it'...needless to say I became addicted again but this time stopped after a week and locked myself away, went cold turkey and succeeded in becoming drug free. I started training again for the army.....'Be the Best' I wanted to be!
Two years after my treatment and I re-applied to the army. I received a letter from a new cheif medical officer stating that "Due to your past medical history the army cannot accept your application. It is noted you have a history of heroin use...drug misuse is unacceptable and poses not only a risk to the safety of service personnel within the forces but also the civillians they protect, therefore your application can never be considered for the armed forces" Talk about gutted...I was broken, and all because I tried to be honest and do things properly through my GP. I didn't know where my future was heading anymore. I felt lost.
I was so scared that I would drift back to my old life, back to my old mates, back to the heroin to ease my pain and blur my problems with the golden haze. No I wouldn't go there, I left my hometown and moved far far away and started a new life - it was the only way.
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The story continues......
Ten years later, still drug free, I returned to my old area. My old friends tried to contact me saying they were ok now with good jobs and families of their own but I still stayed away. Better to leave some things alone than travel down memory lane.
Slowly things went from bad to worse, lost jobs, no money, drinking, sniffing coke, and spiralling slowly out of control. I had a bad accident, had to have loads of operations and became addicted to painkillers and again back to crack and smack again to avoid my problems.
This time I caught it quickly and found myself a clinic for drug addiction called inclusion. I was seen within a day and offered the choice of methadone or buprenorphine (subutex) and a residential or community detox. Now, I totally agree with people that the doctors are just substituting one addiction for another, but the aim of it is to stabilise you on something that is the same strength every day, every time you take it and what is not cut with things like rat poison or made in a dodgy shed in a third world slum. Then, once stabilised physically and mentally, a gradual reduction can begin which tries to keep disruption and discomfort to a minimumm.
I was started on 12mg of buprenorphine and gradually reduced over 10 months down to 0.4mg, I found it hard to jump as I would feel withdrawls after 30 or so hours. I jumped too quick and relapsed again. After a month or so of pure drug abuse and not finding any answers I felt more depressed than ever. I was close to giving up on myself.
I contacted inclusion again and the program was restarted, this time with a behavioural therapist to discuss triggers, stress, emotions ect. and give me tools I need to remain drug free like coping techniques to deal with stress.
I have now reduced down to 0.2mg of buprenorphine and am slowly getting my life back on track almost twenty years after my A-Z drug mission.
Buprenorphine has been brilliant for me, it has given me clarity instead of the fogginess of methadone, energy and alertness instead of gouching and made me feel almost like me again. (Me, but on a really good day) This is due to it only being a partial agonist of the opoid receptors so it stops withdrawls but doesn't buzz you properly or like methadone, heroin, or other opiates.
The problem is I can't quit this last bit without RLS which keeps me awake, stomach cramps, loose stools, runny nose, sneezing, and cold sweats. I know it's not just mental as I think it would be impossible to think ALL of them are happening, Wouldn't it?
I read somewhere a post by a doctor stating that 0.4mg of buprenorphine is the pain killing equivalent of  8-20mg of morphine and he wouldn't fancy jumping from 8-20mg of morphine. Does that sound right??
The problem is, as I understand it, the long half life which is around the 36hr mark, so after 36hrs the amount in your system has halved. i.e: 1st day you take 10mg by day 2 you still have (around) 5mg in your system and take another 10mg so now you have 15mg in your system and so on. After a reduction it takes days even weeks for your body to catch up.
Acccording to wikapedia 'When long acting opioids like methadone (Methadose, Physeptone) or buprenorphine (Suboxone [buprenorphine in a 4:1 ratio to naloxone] and Subutex [single-agent buprenorphine]) are used for an extended period, physical withdrawal symptoms can last up to six weeks, while the most severe cases have withdrawal symptoms that can last even longer. This initial withdrawal is characterized by the body attempting to regain homeostasis as a result of the brain's lack of opiate receptor activity. Since the mechanisms of opioid dependence and withdrawal are not fully understood, it is difficult to determine how long withdrawal symptoms will last or how severe they may be for different individuals.'
My drug worker said that when taking opiates or substitutes it supresses the secretion of noradrenaline and endorphins in the brain and when you stop the opiates or substitutes it triggers the brain to produce vast amounts of noradrenaline and endorphins to compensate, this over-production causes withdrawls and sensitivity to pain until the correct levels are found. Which seems to fit with what is said on wiki. First week is the worst as you produce shedloads, then it gets better as the levels reduce over weeks or months, then there is a dip as they goe below the correct levels bringing on depression ect, and I'm guessing it fluctuates like this for a very long time, only slightly, but enough to be felt. Feel good and pain killer chemicals like dopamine and endorphines are meant to help the balance so thats why exercise works well by producing them constantly every day, helping restore the balance faster - trouble is you dont feel like doing any just curling up in a sweaty little ball an thrashing your legs aroung writhing in agony. lol.
I am going to give this Thomas Recipie a damn good try and beat this thing. I think it will really help by what I've learned.
Once an addict, always an addict, and once one addiction is dealt with you will find another. It is our brains cry for the 'feel good,reward' drug dopamine that drives us. Just make sure you replace illicit drugs with something else like exercise, fishing, singing, computer games, voluntary work, gardening, sex, religion, anything feel good but no drug.
Heroin is the best and worst drug i have ever used in my life. Addiction has cost me so much in money, lost me loads of really good friends I knew since i was in junior school, ruined numerous relationships and really destroyed some beautiful innocent people, changed the person I am in ways I can never get back and it has lost me love and respect from my family.
I have taken so much from the people i know and the society i live in - things I can never give back.
I am determined to prevent my addiction from destroying my kids lives but I need to get rid of it now before they get too old and realise.
I'm sorry for such a long story but I have no-one left to share it with, my addiction has stripped me of everyone.
I really hope I can beat it. I believe I can, with the help, advice, and commitment of good people like yourselves I'm sure we all can.
Learn to love yourself and spread the love. Smiles are really contagious, smile at someone and see them smile back. It'll make their day and they'll pass the smile on!
Thank you. Good luck
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so i have been taking pain killers every day for years. I was down to just about 15mg of percocet a day from about 90mg. I hated myself, my life. My whole world revolved around pills,  I realized what a lying, sneaky, piece of **** I became. I used to be a vey sexy woman, and now I look older than all my friends. I never told a sole besides god and my dog. I am ashamed of myself. I am at the end of  day one, I feel no energy and ache all over. i did use the thomas methiod but I mind ****** myself to think i have the flu. I am a cancer surviver so if I cant do this I must be a *****. I have friday saturday and sunday in bed. what can I expect. please be blunt. I do feel like u like and I do have diverticulitis flair ups so this feels like that.
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Ok, so I read this thread on Saturday (11/17) in preparation for opiate withdrawl (withdrawal).  This guy failed, just as I have to many times.  Actually, this guy failed before he even gave it a shot.  I, regularly, well, not regularly, but like once, sometimes twice a month, go through d/t's and have been losing the battle for some time.  BUT, I can get to like day 14, even 21, and then I get bored or I don't know what, and I relapse.

I didn't thoroughlly read this thread, it's from 2011, but I skimmed it, and 'desperatetoclean' seemed to enter wd's, and just couldn't handle it (with many other issues).  I, personally, have handled it maybe 80 times, maybe more, I don't know.  I'm 30, wife, two kids, little girls, mildly successful (despite my problem) went to rehab one time when I was 20, heroin, and really have been on and off rx med's for the past 10 years.   Something always brings me back.  Well, I just turned 30, and I'm deciding to quit for good.   I also decided, after reading this thread, that I would document my experience, since normally, I can get through the worst part of withdrawl (withdrawal), which is where most people, including the guy (or girl i can't tell or didnt read close enough) who started this topic, failed.

And really I'm just hoping this helps someone else, while also giving me an outlet to be honest and perhaps document my final time I go through withdrawl (withdrawal).  I think this may help me stay clean.  It's tough for me, I'm able to use, do this double life, and still pull it off because I provide for my family and am relatively normal-looking (from the worlds prospective).  But I lie, constantly, to keep my habit going.  I'm "sick" too much, as I have to D/T all the time.  But I'm not here to focus on me, I want to focus on my withdrawl (withdrawal), as I am on day 2, and go through each day and document how I am able to get through it (which I've done successfully before). Next post...
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Quick history:  Started at 20 years old, in this order, kid, herion, rehab, hard working family man..  As life went on, I cheated, by using here and there.  Ultram, oxy's, dope (very rarely), all kinds of stuff.  Recently (since it pertains to my reason for posting) I've been.. hmm, suboxone'd (off the street; 4-16mgs a day, somewhere in there) for like 3 weeks, but before that a lot of blues (30mg ir o.c., off the street).  Before that, Ultram, a lot, for a couple years (i know they say it's not that bad, but trust me, that serotonin/norephenepirine **** really hangs with you when you kick, still felt it like 1-2 weeks after, but beat that too a few times).

So yes, it's not THAT bad, I understand this, people do 2 bundles a day and ****, and I was there too, that first heroin withdrawl (withdrawal) lasted for two weeks, a good two weeks.  But I still w/d even with the dabbling I do with blues and now I've been subbing for 3 weeks (last 4 days 4mgs/day).  
So here is is.  I'm on day two.  Telling my family I have a stomach bug.  Last saturday through wednesday i took 4mg of sub a day, (that's the best I could do 'weening' down) then thursday and friday I did only blues, which didn't even do anything because of the sub, but I certainly wasn't in withdrawl (withdrawal).  Saturday, day one, not too bad, never really is, slept like a good 8 hours last night (although was up quite a bit with sweats) but there was sleep and dreams.  Now I kind of do a 24 hour clock, and a day system.  I last took anything on Friday night at 6pm.  So I do like 24 hours clean (when i first really notice w/d symptions) at 10pm on Saturday night.  So, Saturday, yesterday, day one... next post...
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I was very anxious, lethargic, panicked (mostly for knowing what's about to come tomorrow), short with my family.  I had leg and lower back pain, not terrible, I was tired, had to force myself to eat and stay hydrated, it did not come naturally.  I did some preparation by getting juices, l-tyrosine (which this is my first time trying), making sure i had benadryl and also making sure like some mild things were in order so I could kind of "check out" the next few days (mowed the grass and picked up leaves)... All in all, a doable day.  I plan to w/d when I have days off.  I've heard people say it's easier to be at work and interact or whatever, but for me, I need to be home, close to a tub, with little things around me to combat the worst of the withdrawls.  So I took off Monday, have the option to call out tuesday.  I look at it like this.  Saturday day one, not fun, Sunday, day two, feeling blue (an understatement for sure, but I know what it means), Monday, day three, almost free, Tuesday, day four, not much more.  Day five, still alive.  A little childish, I know, but I plan my d/t's around this.  Start, ideally on a friday, but I wasn't able to do that this time, and plan for 4 days where you can fly below radar.  I've done it when I have a week's vacation (wonderful) and I've done it with day two (the worst) being a Monday, and getting through a difficult work week (also doable, very, very unpleasant in my opinion).  Next post...
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It's Sunday. Day two.  I woke up at 10am, slept (with moderate interruption) from midnight to 10am.  I believe this is crucial to help alleviate the symptions.  In my experience, at 24-28 hours since your last dose, for a fairly regular user, is the beginning of the hell.  I've noticed, that if my 24 hours starts around bedtime on day one (meaning my last done was like a couple hours before bedtime the previous day), I can sleep.  So I wake up, day two, at 36 hours since my last dose.  Not fun waking up after a long night of weird dreams, remembering all these dreams because of waking up with being hot or cold so many times.  Bad intestenial problems.  Stomach pain, ********, but after about an hour of that, it stopped (tomorrow's will be much worse).  Now, I'm regularly smoking pot (by design) to combat things.  I also smoke cigarettes, which probably isn't good, but it gives me something to do and nicotine i guess.  Next post

Yesterday, day one, I hydrated a lot with water and cranberry juice (vitamin c, body clearing properties).  I also smoked some pot and took some L-tyrosine around dinner time.  I ate a few bananas as well, to load up on potassium (helps with that deep bone pain that is sure to come).  
So I think we're up to date.  Next post...
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I've been awake for 4 hours on day two, I took 500mg of ltyrosine, a flintstones vitamin, smoked some pot, drank a good amount of water and cranberry juice, FORCED myself to eat half a p.b. sandwich and a granola bar.  I would eat a banana to (for digestive help and for potassium) but I ran out with my banana binge yesterday. I'll get more later for sure.  It's Sunday, I have nothing to do, off from work tomorrow, may call out tuesday depending on how I feel, definitely working wednesday no matter what, thanksgiving, family, craziness, thursday, work friday, two days off.  That's my next 6 days.  In my experience, day 2-3 is the worst of it, but this is also kind of a new experience, because I've been on suboxone for like 3 weeks, and I've never really fully detoxed off subs like that.  I've read bad things, usually I only take them here or there between blues and whatever.
I went on subs, at first like 12-16 mg a day, but tapered down from that but even if I did get blues, they didn't really do anything.  The last time I did them, they kind of did, on Friday, 48 hours off the subs.  Today, I'm very cold, my veins are buried in my skin, I'm anxious, can't really sit still, I had bad diarreha this morning, sinus issues, forcing myself to eat but basically "playing sick".  I fear for tonight, 48 hours, when everyone's off to bed.  I feel that most times, my clock is so off, and my body is so whacked, that like I'm tired all day, but when it's time for bed, forget it, I feel like my arms won't stop throbbing and I watch the sun come up.  I'm hoping that's not what's in the cards for tonight, but planning that it probably is.  I'm tinkering with taking a couple benadryl an hour or so before bed, but I've tried that different times with zero result and bad effects the next morning, but we'll see.  Next post...
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All I know is that I've done it before, nobody was any wiser, and I pulled it off.  Failed after the d/t's.  I just can't lay this on my wife or my family (again, like when i was 20).  People trust me, and all I have to do is get clean and I'll no trust will be broken.  AA, church groups, addicition centers, all good things, sponsors, good too.  For me, I can do it alone, and almost have to.  I have a friend who knows my problem and he is mildly supportive, but he's got his own problems so.  So I turn here.  I've never posted anything about this, ever.

I thought I would write this, really for two reasons.  To be completely honest and hopefully help someone else, because I know I can succeed at opiate withdrawl (withdrawal).  It's staying clean I have a problem with, but to be totally honest, i am really am done with it and I'll continue to update on this page.. for accountability for myself.  I hide this from everybody, so it's a big step for me to chronicalize this and I'm hoping it's a tool that promotes sobriety for me.  Sorry for spelling, I'm just typing and beginning withdrawl (withdrawal) so I'm pretty shakey (shaky), and I do type fast. I plan on being totally uncensored about my current situation and the plan on doing this over the next few days, and hopefully, much longer as I aim to beat this once and for all.   The rest of my posts will be more like tweets, just how I'm feeling, and what I'm doing to fight back; documenting my progress.  Hopefully as I feel better, I can provide more insight, but right now, hour 40, it's going to be a long day and night given my experience so we'll see.  That's it for the intro...
2:09pm Sunday, Day Two; Hour 40, last dose, Friday 8pm
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Nobody's posted on this thread for about two months, that's fine, I hope people find this who are struggling now.  It's a few days before thanksgiving.  I'm hoping to see my family on thanksgiving, free a clear and looking better (i hope).  That's 4 days away.  I found this post by googling the thomas recipie.  The only thing I took away from this recipie is the hot baths, which I've been doing for years, they work, and the l-tyrosine, which I'm trying for the first time after researching it.  I get it, it doesn't help with mood too much or energy for a regular person, but for one who is dependent on chemicals to produce dopamine/norepinephrine, it may help offset this missing with the absence of the narcotics.  It's been 15 minutes since I last posted.  I'm cold, so very cold.  Feel like gagging non stop, dry heaving, more intestinal problems.  For more info read my 6 post rant previous to this post.

2:39pm Sunday, Day two; Hour 40-41
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You really should start your own thread.  The older threrads don't get read as much, plus it's better if you aren't "hijacking" someone else's thread.

Start your own thread by going back to the main page of this forum, the top left of the page will be a big button that says "Ask a Question" (something like that).

You'll get a lot more input.

Best of luck with your recovery!
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One more thing about the thomas recipie, i've done it before, by the book, I feel like the benzos prolong things.  3-4 days is about the longest I can "play sick" and I need to be looking/feeling better quicker.  So I'm definitely not using benzos this time, I've done it a bunch of other times without as well.  Only a couple times did I actually try the thomas recipie verbatim and it did not work.  I even try to take minimal amounts of benadryl and ibuprofen.  I'd rather just get through the discomfort and be done with it. I sleep eventually.  And once sleep does start to kick in, and I do begin to get an appetite, it's over (past experiences).  Well, here we go.. I'll keep you (if anybody's even readings this) posted as I will post again in the evening time.

2:56pm Sunday, Day two; Hour 41
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Actually, I am hijacking this thread.  Well, not hijacking, expanding, since the topic is pertinent and the contents of the thread disheartened me.  I found it, read it, you're reading it.  I'm taking it over because I read most of it and the person failed.  I want to succeed where they left off.  I guess I'm breaking the rules.  I apologize.
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This isnt your first rodeo by the sounds of it.  Getting clean is the easy part, staying clean is the hard one.  What are your plans after you get thru the wd?
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well put dom, no it's not my first rodeo.  Never gets easier... and perfect question.  I relapse more like around 20-30 days, so what are my plans when I reach that point?  I guess I should make some.  Spirituality always helped me, but I guess I'm fairly jaded in that area as well, but I may attend some sort of group, I certainly know a few.  But then again, this is different, I've been so close the last few times, I really just know in my heart that this is it.  I'm sure that's been said before, but personally, every time I've said it, I've never meant it as I do now.  That's all I can say.  I'm not trying to be naive, cavalier, pretentious or arrogant about this in any way.  

You say getting clean is the easy part, staying clean is hard.  The truth is, both are hard, and I'll worry about staying clean once i'm through withdrawls.  I'll be making a conscious effort this time, and will document my steps here.  I'm not really looking for advice, I can stop, and I can stop for a while, but I choose to go back. Now I'm choosing not to, publicly in a way.  Never has this lifestyle been more exhausting than it is now, and when I say I'm done, I'm done.  I've actually never said it before and meant it as I do now, close to the height of detox.  But I'm at least going to expand on a failed detox process with a successful one, and have every intention of continuing without thereafter.  My responses are getting a little exhausting, my head's spinning and I know I'm just rambling as my emotions are surfacing yet again.  

3:44pm, Sunday, day two; hour 43
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I now hold you responsible.  Not sure if that helps?
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Just typed a long post to you.....MH techies are having problems with the length of threads......you are not suppose to be limited to a number of characters when you post on someone's thread.  But, right now they say it is limited to 2000 characters (I think).  They hope to have the problem resolved by early in the week.

That said, all I was going to share, (and I will try my darndest to summarize) is that posting a new question or comment will only help you to get feedback IF you want it!  You said above, "I'm not really looking for advise".....so if that's the case, the most "intended purpose" for all your documentation would be on your home page in a journal.  You can make
them public or private and each one can be "set" differently.
People can also comment on your journals if they want to.
Day 2 is great.....toot around this forum some more and check out the "status", "notes", "journals" and newer posts that do have a lot of success stores.
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agreed, i'll take this route
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Hello, congratulations on your road to recovery I envy the fact that you realized your problem, and did something about it. Many people can't even admit half of what you did. I am trying to taper off perks and what stinks is I have been down this road berfore so I know whjat the feeling of detox is like. Its a terriblr disease, addiction is and I do not want to live my life like this. I don' twant to go into 2013 using drugs or being dependant on pills. Its the worst trying to make sure you have enough to survive and its insane the amount of $ that goes. I am looking forward to the talks on this site. I have been reading the posts on here and I can't get over how helpful complete strangers can be but its like you find a new family and share a bond with the people on here. I am going to write daily and I think I will be able to do this with you guys support
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I used the thomas recipe and it does help if you use the recommended doses, most do not.  Read and follow it to the T and it will help.  My main issue was lack of NRG and Tyrosine 2,000-3,000 mgs helped me.  I got the powdered form but I cant remember where..it was online...Bulk something..lol  Anyway it does help...Exercise helped the mmost with NRG tho...I wld walk or go to then gym no matter how tired I felt and I always felt good after.  Exercise releases those endorphins our brain is craving...I wld feel normal during and hours after a wrkout.

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I found that getting my room super cold...like as cold as I could take it..I put a window unit in my room...I would put layers of sheets and blankets and take them off and on as I needed to.  I was hot, then cold, then clammy etc.  Getting the room super cold slows the metabolism as well so it helps you sleep.
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I just wanted to know what is the best way to detox from 25 vicodin a day
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I do not really understand the recipe instructions. Can someone who knows post the directions for taking the Thomas recipe so I can get rid of my 20 norcos per day.

Thank you
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I'm 28 yrs old with 3 kids and my husbands in the military. I've been addicted to meds for about 1 1/2 now. I just had 2back surgeries (cause the Dr messed up the 1st one. After the surgeries I got a paraspinal absest. I'm now on 75mcg patch and about 6 -8 percocet 10s a day. The pain really isn't that bad anymore I mean its bearable and I'd rather use alternative methods to ease the pain. I can't stand being on pain meds its ruined so much of myself and family life. I never have any motivation I feel useless to myself and family. I've read about the Thomas recipe and it sounds promising but I'm scared cause I've had days where I ran out of meds and after 8 hrs I wanted to jump out of my skin. The worst for me is the rls. I've talked to my mom she said shed take care of my kids and help me through this wich is great cause I can't do it with 3 kids to take care of. I have an appointment in a few weeks for suboxone. I know you can get addicted to that to wich I don't want but I was wondering if it would be OK to use a little with Thomas recipe to help withdrawal.  Or should I check myself into detox? Idk what to do all I know is I want my life back my kids don't diserve this . I want this to be done and over with wake up one morning look at my kids and say mommies all better.
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Need help quitting. I've tried and made it 4 days then took a few to help get thru work and am now back.  I plan on quitting cold turkey tomorrow and trying the Thomas recipe.  Any tips?  It seems so hard and emotional. I looked into rehab but can't afford. It all seems too overwhelming.
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I been on pain pills (hydrocodone) for couple years. i work in a factory got a bulging disc and was prescribed them by company doctor so when i get drug tested its ok. i know that bien dependant on pain pills is wrong but it makes my day much better people even say im much more fun when im on them i want to stop i just had a son and don't want him to notice his father is weak and depends on them to get through the day. Even though i would never take in front of him but when kids get older they get smarter i can live with my demons but when my son could be like his father this is not who i want him to be. never knew my father its too hard to stop when my sons mother also takes them and i could never leave her not share what to do tried to detox plaid it off to family and friends i had flu but when your signifigant. other has them around i relapsed. maybe i should just keep taking them i work hard raise a family and take care of bills but i know its wrong
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