EVERYONE REALLY NEEDS TO READ THIS!!!!

[bukschacht]

they say there is no way to get past the oxy withdrawl with any ease.  i went to a walkin clinic this evening, after all the other posts i wrote about not taking oxy for 2 days, to try to get a refill on my script.  im 3600 kms from home so i figured that was  the only way i could more for my trip.  i was already planning to fail by taking emergency pills.  but i digress.  i think i may have found our golden fleece people.  the walkin doc refused to prescribe narcotics, but he gave me a script or larazapam.  first though he implied i as faking by saing "you can quit with theatrics, i saw you smoking outside."  i laughed at the larazapam and almost didnt fill the script.  boy am i glad i did.  i got home and took 3-1mg tabs and then an hour later i smoked a small joint.  

compared to how i felt this morning, i am in heaven.  the cold hot snaps are gone.  the jittery muscles are not nearly as severe as they were.  i'm in somewhat of a relaxed state and i no longer feel edgy or antsy.  the only thing that remains is the bone and muscle pain, but even that seems to have diminished.   it feels like a day from before i ever took oxycontin, and just dealt with the pain.  i'm willing to bet that ibupfrofen or tylenol will help to take the edge off that too now and i'm gonna try.    i'm not saying this will work for everyone, but there are alot of people in here who suffer all the same symptoms that i do.  so it stands to reason that this method will help most of you.  

God help and guide us all

[bukschacht]

it's been 6 days now and im doing ok.   i know i got this thing kicked.  it's funny how some drugs affect everyone and some only seem to affect certain people.   i have had zero problems with the lorazapam.  the only oxy withdrawl symptom that remains is the aches and pains.  but that probably has to do with my old lifestyle.  i was very hard on my body physically in my teens and twenties.  two nights ago i fell asleep and slept right through the night, same with last night.  and best of all, the involuntary twitching of the legs and arms has completely receeded.  i'm actually happy.  i mean content and comfortable in a way i havent felt in years.  

so to all who went through or are going through the same thing as me, hang in there.   it can be beat and the sense of self satisfaction at doing so is as indescribable as the oxy high.   i am a new man.  WHAT A RELIEF!  

with love and admiration to all who are fighting
peace
bukschacht

[nursegirl6572]

I'm so sorry you are suffering so.  Your post is excellent...hopefully a lot of people will read it and realize it just isn't worth it.  Short term?  Fine.....but like you said...they are sneaky lil buggers.

Hope you feel better soon.

[edd8ok]

Hi,

Please, please, listen to what the forum is saying about Benzos. I'm in the middle??? of Benzo detox right now. Munching 13mgs a day and let me tell you it 'aint no fun, it's hell. You get sucked into the Benzo game exremely quickly and once the poison has hold of you then it has NO intention of letting you go thats for sure. Please be careful, they are sneaky little Buggers that bring nothing but misery. There is no quick detox from Benzos my friend, it has to be done slowly, really slowly. I'm looking at another 12 months at the very least just to finish the taper, let alone the aftermath. If this post sounds gloomy then good, it may just deter any potential Benzo users in the future, give them a very, very wide berth unless they are used for very short periods only, and I mean very short periods.

Good Luck

Eddy

From Across the pond

[nursegirl6572]

Valium and Ativan are both benzos...they differ in their half-life.  Valium is indicated more for long term use, and doesn't have as many of the "tolerance" problems that a shorter acting benzo like Ativan or Xanax will have.

Benzos ARE very effective in minimizing w/d symptoms for sure....but one has to be very cautious with it.  If we are talking a reasonable dose for a week, maybe 2...then that would be fine.  3mg of Ativan is NOT a reasonable starting dose....whether it was prescribed that way or not.  3 mg a day of Ativan even short term is going to lead to a very rough time getting off of them. Usual starting dose is 0.5 mg....occasionally 1 mg if warranted...but even that isn't too common.

If the OP is taking them as prescribed (which I have a feeling he isn't...I would be surprised to find a doc prescribing 3mg of Ativan in one dose)...then he needs to discuss the repurcussions with the doc ASAP.  I'm sure at that high of a dose the opiate w/d's will be VERY tolerable...problem is...like others have said...he is going to end up trading one w/d for another.

The best way to approach benzo use for help with w/d symptoms is (like I said...sorry to repeat myself) a standard dose for a short period of time, and then a taper to d/c after the worst of the w/d's are over (approx 2 weeks IMO)...that way one doesn't have to worry as much about then dealing with w/d from the bezo after ditching the w/d from the opiate.  Also....like another poster mentioned....not only is w/d from benzos a *****...but it can be dangerous as well.

I hope it works out okay....

[CadillacJack]

I'm missing something, I guess. I do not agree with the weed, however, the Thomas Recipe calls out enough diazepam to induce sleep for like three days. That's alot of valium. I have no knowledge of lorazepam, but is it not also a drug of the same class as valium? Not attempting to argue here, but is bucschacht not basically doing something that is condoned as a legitimate w/d tool?

cj

[Mikeinthesouth]

Of course the ativan helps and at 3 mgs I am sure it helps alot. I am curious to know why the dr. thought you were acting because the joker saw you smoking a cigarette. I can voice my opinion here regarding the weed but lil it will do u will smoke grass if you choose anyway and hopefully you won't have any reprecussion from it. Mike

[seeksolice]

I was addicted to benzos and it is a very serious addiction. I was taking 3mg bars twice a day for 5 months. Very addictive.

When I ran out, the withdrawals are dangerous. I called my doc, and he said "Get in here NOW".  That's how dangerous benzo withdrawals are. He prescribed me Lyrica- its a nerve pain drug for shingles, non narcotic, non addictive, that binds to the same receptors that ben's do in the brain. I took the lyrica for two weeks and didnt experience any withdrawals from the benzos. Getting off the lyrica was a piece of cake.

For anyone battling a benzo addiction, I highly recommend taking Lyrica to eliminate withdrawals.

[wannabefree330]

The dose for the lorazepam is not extremely high.  Everyone is different so each one takes a different dose.  The question is, did you take it as prescribed?  If it said to take 1/2 to 1 pill and you took 3, you're asking for trouble and leads me to believe you want an easy way out of something you dug yourself into.  Or, you don't want out at all and just can't wait to get another refill of your meds.  If you do want help, we are here for you.  But really, you shouldn't recommend weed to those of us who are trying to quit drugging.  It's just a trigger for some of us.  The Benzo's are a medication that is prescribed and as previously stated is only meant for VERY SHORT DURATION-meaning less than a week.  So be very careful or you'll be w/d from that medication too.

[Decisions]

I think folks will try just about anything to chase away the withdrawals.
I spent $200 in amino acids, The recipe, suppliments, heating pads, a fan, etc..  Nothing worked for me.
Time seems to be all that is going to work for me.  But everyone is different.

[mr.lucky66]

Sorry to say that it's this mentality,(take 3 pills and smoke a joint) that will keep you on the hamster wheel.

[puranx]

oh...and these posters are right, you are heading for a possible much worse w/d and addiction with benzos then any opiate. Those w/d can be life threatening. 3mg is a ton, my script for xanax is .25 ya thats 1/4 of a mg and i barely use em even at that low dose because i seen the horror they can cause on people. I would get yourself together and tighten the rans a bit and let your body ride it out as clean as possible. If you gotta use something then weeds better the booze or benzo's but you cuold easily cause more anxiety or panic because of paranoia. I would stick to something natural like l-theanine and valerian root for a decent calm feeling

[puranx]

you cannot compare weed to benzo's what so ever. I used weed my first week of w/d (2 days only since i dont like weed)  and low and behold been clean ever since without even so much a craving or slip. If you get hooked on weed, you are most likley hooked on something as simple as caffenine. Its a person to person thing.

[nursegirl6572]

Benzodiazepines (Ativan or lorazepam....what you are taking) are EXTREMELY addictive...and 3 mg is a SUPER high dose.  A lot of times doctors will prescribe LOW dose benzos temporarily to help with w/d symptoms...but they are ONLY to be taken for a brief period of time...and nowhere NEAR the dose you took.  There is unfortunately very little you can do to avoid the pains of w/d's completely.

Be VERY careful with the Ativan....you may end up with another monkey on your back.....

Good luck to you.

[lady67]

I know it seems like it helps, but Bukschacht, you are just trading one drug for another.  That is how I got hooked on the sleeping pills.  I traded to them because they were "non-narcotic", but boy are they dangerous.  When I quit the Ambien, I went back to the hydros.  Now I am 25 days off the hydros and 5 months off the Ambien.  Please be careful and try to wait it out.

Hugs~
susan

[bukschacht]

the weed does help.  it helps to relax and helps to keep your mind away from the withdrawl

[dominosarah]

The meds may help but the smoking weed wont.