FIORICET ??? Are you Familiar

[radioboy74]

Out of the two Codeine and the Butibital in Fioricet what is the most addicting?  It works very well on my tension headaches however I have heard contradicting stories.

[rowanshyne]

Hey everyone, I need you *today*, I've been horribly busy, taking care of life, trying to taper.  I'm finally able to get to this board and beg for help and you're all mad at each other.
The tapering is working, but I've been crying for three solid days.  My email is down, so ............
I came here to whine and snivel and beg for encouragement, and not only has everyone gone away mad, RADIOFRIGGIN'BOY is at the top of the bloody list!
I'm on the recipe and also taking my Welbutrin.  Can I start taking the L-Tyrosine *before* I'm completely off the Vicoden?
Please, somebody, just come talk to me.
Please.


Wren

[hippy]

yes wren you can start the receipe now
i has been working wonders for me i have 5 weeks off the vikes
good luck , i hope you feel better ,

[hippy]

l-tyrosine is part of the receipe a big part,don,t forget the imodium (immodium),  you don't want to lose all the nuentrents in your body with the runs that can lead to much added discomfort
bannanas are real good for the leg spasms/restless legs.

keep posting , it will be ok. don't pay atention to any bikering here on the site , it's really not that big a deal, hope fully
we will all just keep our eyes on recovery and answers to withdrawl problems. and other pertnent questions about getting cleaned up and pain management
every one here has a lot to offer in these departments
thanks for posting.

[rowanshyne]

Thank you so much.  My worst problem is feeling so awfully sad, and alone.  Too sad to go somewhere and *not* be alone.
I've been taking all of the recipe except the L-Tyrosine.  I have no idea why, but I thought I was supposed to wait 'til I was completely *off* the vikes to start taking it. ?  Oh!  That was the buprenex, wasn't it?
I haven't been able to get the buprenex yet, thanks though, WW.
My email's going to be down a few days.  When it's back up, WW, I can send you a copy of the Pagan 12-Steps.

Hippy, you saved me.  When I got here only to find Radioboy, I figured the Universe was playing another joke on me.

Dr. X.  I read your note.  It helped a great deal.  One doesn't feel so sad if they know they've helped another.

BB
Wren

[hippy]

5htp is a supplment to increce seratonen levels
i have been taking for the last 10 days and is great for
depression, and those feelings of being overwhelmed,and alone
'you might want to look into it it seems to be working  for me.
i have been feeling better since i added it to the receipe.
peace

[rowanshyne]

5htp?  Is it very expensive and can I take it *with* my Welbutrin?
Also, would flushing my raucous parrot down the toilet be detrimental to my recovery at this point? lol! Yes, I'm feeling a little better now that I've had someone to talk with, hippy.

The parrot is a Quaker, about ten inches high and when she's getting demanding, she owns a squawk that feel like sandpaper on my brain.

Making some more chamomille tea and trying to find an online site to help me write a resume',
rock on, hippy,
wren

[IrishRose]

It is good to see you back, hope you are feeling better soon. I've been having an overly sensitive day I guess. I heard something read in a 12 step mtg the other night- as long as the ties that bind us together are stronger than those that would tear us apart- all will be well. We're all still here, pay no attention to the irritability, I guess we all still know that we are not alone and doing the best we can to help each other. Blessings to all- IR

[rowanshyne]

I've been tapering down and staying busy.  Need to get a job, even if it's just for a little while.  Trying to stay alive while waiting for Disability could do a person some serious damage.
I'm doing well on the tapering.  Chamomille tea and sleeping in a tub of hot water for those hideous limb "ticklings".
The worst part really does seem to be the depression, just crying and crying.  I'll take the L-tyrosine tomorrow.  It's so late now, I'm afraid it will keep me awake.

Thank you for helping me tonight.
Wren

[alchemist]

I'm no expert, but I think they both are equally addictive but with different WD symptoms.  The Barbutal can cause seizures if it is abruptly stopped, while the codeine will cause classic abstanince symptoms (chills, sweating, vomiting, etc) to appear.

Just my 2 cents

[angst]

I od's off about 60 Esgic, another name for plain fiorcets.  The barbituate level was too high to read.  What is the worst of it was my daughter finding me on the kitchen floor, barely breathing.  So it is a dangerous drug to be taking more than prescribed.  You the sedation qualities of butibital and the buzz form the codeine.  I'd find something safer to take, if I had the tendancy to take too much.  The tylenol is not good for the liver either.  Go either clean up or find a better drug to abuse.  Good luck and post back.

[hippy]

here is a sit that effects of codein and barbiturates

its called drug effects
http://www.nh-dwi.com/caip-213.htm

[skipper]

wren:
as my wife told you in an earlyer post, welcome back!! now you should know this by now, i'm going to say it anyhow... there will
ALWAYS be room for just one more addict.................

about all the fussing, fighting, and feuding. i don't know what to
say...it seems to be something to pass the time on weekends...

believe it or not, it's all a part of getting clean and staying
staying clean. personality conflict was a problem for me before do-
ing drugs, while doing drugs, and of course while getting clean from drugs! hang in there, were not like this all ther time, ok?
anyhow good to see you back!!

keep angel on your shoulder!
kip

[OxyDout]

I might get on the recipe, now that i'm completely sober, it might help with the lethargy, and or depression.

[hippy]

good to see ya posting  you were here when i found this fourm
2 months ago, thanks for being there.
ya the receipe along with the 5htp has taken the depressions i used to get when  ever i was kicking, and completly lifted it.
no depression at all , and let me tell  ya the depression used to kick my but.  the receipe has helped greatly with that lack of energy problem.   good luck. peace.

[oh please already]

good morning everyone.  I see the fur is flying around here.I have to tell you that Ive been haunting the forum for the last few days because my feelings too were hurt- I know that sometimes my post seem garbled but thats usually because im rocking em and pecking with one finger as she sleeps in my lap, plus i spell like **** and also sometimes i find to get my real feelings out,i just have to say it,without censour or if i think too much about grammer,i lose the essance.Like groovy i feel like no one was listening,and     i was just begin humored,kinda lika a birthday party i was invited to when i was 8, i thought i was with friends and then over heard someone say i was just there because her mother made her invite me because i invited her ro my party.It was shatteringBUT THATS HOW I FELT,not how i feel .time gives a new prepective to many things.We all know why we are here, and We all know that we are manic-yes,i jump from highs to lows in a blink,on top of the world then in the mud,Yes it must seem flakey,and must be annoying for those who take the time  to offer help,,and it must seem like i am just not listening to all tha advice people offer,but you know thats not it.If we all knew how to cope with our feelings and life in a healthy way I dont think we would all be here on the forum,AND WE ALL NEED TO REMEMBER THIS- maybe its a full moom or maybe like long term partners we are starting to look alike,or maybe were all cycling at the same time but it is very apparent that WE are having a collective breakdown,Its ok when we take turns,because then we just help pull the stuggling one up,but right now we are all struggling and I know,AND YOU know that no one here is trying to hurt anyone.WE need to be honest and fair-when things get tough for you or I we act like a ****-so lets not assume,that the person standing next to us can do any better,give up your hand and maybe together we can pull ourselfs free from this break in the ice because,i know for a fact my arm is too short to do it alone-but if we make a chain and spread the weight of our troubles we will be able to get on thicker ice,without leaving anyone alone to flounder and sink. (pretty good huh?LOL   i was inspired by  the poets on the forum)  laura

[rowanshyne]

Oh, I know about the crankiness.  I do not work and play well with others myself, on *many* occasions.  
I knew you all would be back, I was just being selfish and needing you NOW!! LOL!!  Give that angel on your shoulder a hug from the little, round witch.  If she's looking after an addict, she deserves a hug.
I like the phrase "Always room for one more addict".  In my travel through life, I've found I like addicts, and alcoholics the best.  They understand emotional challenge, a generally maintain a better sense of humor about themselves than Normals.

I wasn't able to get any bup, so I'm simply doing the slow taper. SIMPLY!  Bwahahahaha! <gasp, wheeeeze!>  Simply! Oh, gods, thats silly.  I needed that!  It's working though.  I'm now trying to remember exactly why it was I wanted to find out how bad the pain is really getting.  Oh.  Yeah.  150 mg of vike a day and climbing, that's it.

The pain's still here, but so am I.
Thanks for the "meditation", WW.  Got a chance to use a hot tub in Circle last night.  Sulis came and calmed.

Blessings,  
Wren
<see, when I'm not so depressed, you have to put a sock in my mouth.>

[scared in so cal]

I keep hearing this "recipe" being mentioned. I've also seen people ask about it and they were advised to look at the archived posts. I for the life of me cannot find this recipe! All I can piece together from multiple postings I have read is that it contains valium, L-tyrosine(?) and immodium. Can anyone just tell me what the ingredients are, milligrams, how much and how often to take. I've been on a vicodin binge for about the past week and I'm going to run out of pills on Tuesday and I'm not looking forward to withdrawls. I can already feel them when I get up in the morning before I take my first vicodin. I want this to be the last time I have to withdrawl. Anybody who can help please respond!
P.S. I don't have access to valium or any other benzos, are there any other good alternatives?

[OxyDout]

I leave for not even a day and I havent seen anyone really posting, I guess thats how it is here, its hard to post all the time. anyway, can we keep radioboy from posting??? I think we all know hes looking for quick fixes, I don't even want to know where hes getting it from.  Anyway, how is everyone doing?? groovy? skipper? you guys out there.  Its a rainy monday morning, and for the first time in a long time, I have nothing in my system, I have no withdrawals but the depression is kicking my ass. I guess it doesn't help that my girlfriend is in the bahamas at the "Atlantis" ...............

[OxyDout]

sorry to post twice, just having a really bad day, I'm really anxious at work, I don't think my body has adjusted to the fact that I will not have any susbtances in my body while at work or when I get home, well, other then the occasional valium. Anyway, if anyones out there, I will be here...............

[OxyDout]

I didn't see your post, I apologize, the recipe usually contains enough valium/benzos to allow yourself pretty much to sleep through the first couple of days. The recipe is L-tyrosine, I think 500mg pills, zinc, 5htp will help take off the edge, immodium and a multi vitamin. You should have started taking all of that a few days ago so that they would be in your system, so start taking them ASAP. Other then that, your gonna go through some pain, don't worry, it won't be that bad, just work through it. YOu will do this, no biggie, well maybe it sucks, but laugh at yourself through it, I found that laughing at myself helps. A few nights ago I found myslef thinking I was competing against another person "restless leg" I refused to give up and then I said OUTLOUD "oh, you son of ***** you win!!, I give up" and started laughing. I can't believe I said that outloud.......... too funny. Anyway, I hope your day gets better.

[dive]

Hey dude,  Good to see you here.  I thought you left for good.  I too am having a shitty morning.  I've been clean for a month and a half almost, and although I don't suffer physically, and really have no depression. I'm lethargic, and am having some serious cravings.  I thought that after this long, I would stop thinking about the damned dope, but NO..  the ******* little monster is whispering in my ear, and you know what he's saying.. "hey dive, you've been clean for a while, I bet your tolerance is down, hey why don't you get some pills, and I bet you would get REALLY ****** up, c'mon man, It will feel great to use JUST ONE MORE TIME!!!"

I'm trying not to listen but this is worse now than a month ago.  I guess I just have to keep trying to ignore him, and keep going clean.  I hope the cravings subside soon, I'm gonna go insane if they don't.  

I'm with you on banning RadioBoy... Just what we all junkies need, a guy coming on this board asking us how to get loaded, notice how he pops up every couple of weeks with a new substance he "discovered"....

[hippy]

hey there ,
iam clean cold turkey from15 vikes ady , now for 6weeks
i am taking the recipe.

l-tyrosine 500mg.  6  caps a day week 1/ cut it to 3 caps a
day after  the 1st week.
b-6 100gm  2 a day
zinc       1 a day
cal -magnisum  1 day
vit a
vit c
copper
magnesse
phosporous
imoudium  for the runs. 1 a day or 2
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bannanas arereal good for leg spasims
gatoraide is goo for lost electro lites.

this whloe mixture reaall helps our systems whitchw get depleted by the use and abuse of vikes,hydros ,percs,
these pills deaden our natural pleasure receptors in our brains.
thus the loss of good feeling  and numbness twards life.

[angst]

If I hurt you, it was out of concern, and I am truly sorry.  You are right in your post.  I think it was a collective breakdown.
Negative vibes are contagious.  I apologize for my part in it all, with groovy.  I should not have bashed her for being herself.  This is a safe place.  Or at least it should be.  No more bashing from me.  I'll take my inadequacies elsewhere.  I hope you are doing as well as you sound.  It was legible and the topic was right on target.  Well, my kid should be coming home soon.  I'll post more if I can, if not, my thoughts are with you all.

[OxyDout]

people what is with all the drama.  We are all ADDICTS, you don't think some of us will become defensive at times??....... don't sweat it, there is no harm meant by anyone. I hope you are all feeling better and less offended, I also hope its nice where ever you are. ITs pouring and miserable out where I am.

[Hinkster]

If your still looking the price of the 5htp is 19.95. I just
bought a bottle yesterday at the Health Store.

[Hinkster]

If your still looking the price of the 5htp is 19.95. I just
bought a bottle yesterday at the Health Store.

[tex3]

Wren, I hope you're doing better today. Sorry I wasn't around when you posted. I've been so down lately that I haven't wanted to do anything, but I'm on the rebound and have got past the worst of the cravings (for now!) so I'm just trying to get through the day without morbid thoughts.

Looks like I missed some excitement this weeked. I'll have to go back and read. Maybe it's good to get that anger out sometimes, anyway. Hope everyone's having a good day. Seems like many of us are really struggling right now.

What exactly is 5HTP? I'm on the rest of the recipe but can't find that anywhere. What will it do? Anything that will help me out of this rut and depression would be a godsend at this point.

Tracy

[Hinkster]

Just type in www.5htp.com. It tells you everything you'll ever
want to know.

[angst]

You guys, it rained here for the first time in a month.  I though we had been dry 2 weeks, so I commented to my ex-husband.
He said it had been over 2 weeks.  My allergies are acting up today.  With the extensive sinus surgery I had, I have to take care of them.  All I have now, are some samples from the doc.  Pseudoepedrine and guifasen.  They hype me something terrible and do nothing for the allergies.  They are a decongestant and cough expectorant.  I wish I could rip my left eye out, it just hurts so damned bad.  The fireworks are over.  I did tell my counseller at the methadone clinic to take up to 100mg.  I ache and my legs hurt.  I was craving and had that using dream.  
He thinks is significant that I did not get high in my dream, as I have in other using dreams.  I told him how I felt about drugs, especially illicit ones available.  I could get my hands on anything.  I heard oxy's and methadone make a good high, but I am not going to try it. I am not going to f87k up my methadone or my body.
Sorry you have had so  much rain, but we really needed it.  I do not have to water the plants tonight. I finally started to peel a little from the sunburn not much.  I am thinking about dragging out the old Tarot cards.  Yung would be proud.

[Hinkster]

Hi Angst
  Its been raining steady here for two straight days. No let up.
I guess it comes with the area. Massachusetts. Ever been here?
Wicked little state. It makes for long and boring days, still to
cold to go outdoors. Glad to see you went up on your Methaone if
it helps you. Maybe thats what I'll do. 20mgs a day. Heck I'am
almost 6 foot and weigh 230lbs. I was on 120mgs of oxy plus
breakthrough. Hell I havn't even taken the Methadone in three
days just the 270mgs of roxicodone they prescribe me. I hope I'am
not screwing things up, but why take both when one will do? Let
me know if I'am doing wrong.
Thanks Tom

[groovygirl]

hi - i hope everyone is doing ok today.  i live in ma too, and i'm glad it's raining...we really needed it here.  we were very close to having a water ban in my town, and that would mean no watering my garden.  i have to have a veg garden this summer - it is a great escape for me...plus i love to be able to cook/make salads just from what i have in my yard.

this coming sat is my daughter's b-day party, and she wants to have it out in our yard, so it can rain all it wants this week and be sunny and warm on sat....keep your fingers crossed.  there are a lot of people coming, and if i have to have them all in my house, i may cave in to my cravings...

[angst]

I bet you are a good hostess.  It was a drought here also on the Gulf Coast. Later in the summer, we will always have afternoon or evening thunder storms.  The humidity is always 100%.  We have to get to the pool early before the thunder starts.

Hope you have a nice party for your daughter.  I posted that I am going up 10mg to 100mg a day of methadone.  That is scary, but I've been there before.  I had a scary using dream.  My counseller thinks it is progress because I did not get high in the dream.  I would think it progress if I didn't have it at all.
Keep on posting.  Ava

[tex3]

Hinkster, thanks for the info. Enjoy some of that rain for me; it's hot as hell down here in Texas. We actually had a "cold" front which brought it down to 80; it's been near 100.
Angst -- I can totally relate to the sinus pain! I've had it so bad, right under my eye, but not conjestion. Almost like it's actually dried out. I got some saline drops and seems to have helped.
I've never had a using dream, but have had plenty of cravings. I'm better this week. Friday was awful, the worst it's been. I'm sure that will come again, but I will continue to fight the good fight. I don't have access to anything and would have no way to get it, so I guess that's a good thing! Actually if I tried hard enough, I guess I could, but let's not go down that road....
Groovy, I hope the party is wonderful. How old will your daughter be? Like you, when I get stressed I think how easy it would be to take a pill; how I've been clean long enough that I might actually enjoy it; that I could do it just for a few hours and be okay. Actually I guess you didn't say you think all that; I got carried away. But I'm sure you know what I mean :)
   I wish I could offer some nugget of wisdom, but all I can say is I know you're strong and will hang in there. You've helped me, and that's a miracle in itself! Feel free to call, write or post if it gets bad. I try telling myself to put it off for another hour, then another, until it gets easier.
   I'm going to eat some brisket and watch Band of Brothers (I'm addicted). See y'all later...tracy

[angst]

I've never been so far north as Massachusetts.  I seem to follow the Atlantic coast upward, so maybe I'll get close one day.  I love the smell of salt water.  Even though I complain about 100% humidity, I love the smeltering heat.  We seem almost tropic, especially the closer it gets to August.  The thunderstorms every afternoon or evening.  Plants love it and grow to enormous sizes.  The nights are hot, thank God for central air.  We have a split level 4 house with a big fan that sucks in the air, but it makes everything curl due to the moisture in the air.
I got a phone call from an ex pusher of mine.  It made my daugher
angry.  She knows his voice.  It is distintive.  He just called to tell me about a house fire, but she got really mad.
I understand her feelings, because he gave me drugs for money.  
She and her dad will be on Horn Island in a couple of weeks for 8 days.  It is complete primative camping.  No toilets, showers or food unless you brings it.  Isabel loves it.  Well, it is getting late.  Night all,  Ava

[hippy]

its nice to see everyone posting ,it seems like we are
like a big old famly here, we got take the good with the bad some days in life, my instinct my whole life is to run away.
today i know better than that. i really have a deep sense of gratitude for everyone here, along with a lot of respect.
my key board was stuck on capital letter the other day
because i spilled coffee on it, it was pointed out that
,that could be taken as  thinking i was better than, well let me tell yall the truth would be the oppisite, i feel less than most of the time
sorta like built in low self esteem. any way i got my tenage son to fix the key board problem, he got me a new key boardwe had laying around.
here in philly it has been raining cats and dogs for 2 days now,
but the rest of the week looks sunny.
i love it here in philly i have been up and down the east coast
out to cal. to fortworth, to oaklahmoa to clevland been a lot of places around this country of ours, most of my travels had to do with me going to n.a. conventions and visiting other members of n.a. . when i got clean in 1984 in na ' i searched all over the country, trying to find people who understood how the 12 steps of na worked , i figured if i was going to be part of it' i wanted to know the real deal. i learned alot during those years.
back in 86 i was wraping up  steps 1,2,3 for my sponser
aceptance , faith and commitment. while i was writeing about it , while the tv was on in the back ground, rose kennedy was being asked a question . how did you get through all that pain,
losing 2 son's to assanation one to the war a daughter to some disease' a grandson to an overdose ect. her answer floored me she said
#1 i accept life on lifes terms
#2 i have faith that god will take of me.
#3 that's the wy i live my life

that seemed to be the three steps i was  working on right then and there,  it was her pain that i really related to, such great pain she must have gone through.

there is a phamplet in na called   acceptance, faith and commitment.  i knew the person who wrote that phamplet, greg p.
he was my sponsers sponser. its a small world.   peace

[rowanshyne]

Oh, man, do I know that feeling.  As I said, I do not work and play well with others.  My cousins were coming up to the mountains to visit on Sunday and I kept thinking, "Hell with this taper ****!  I can take some extra then start again tomorrow!". I feel so uncomfortable around other people and nobody seems to realize how scared I am.
Well, I was swallowing immodium and extra vitamin B and then the little tramps didn't even show!  LOL!
I *know* the BD party is going to be swell.  You wouldn't be where you are now, if you couldn't handle it.

I've finally reached a level where the pain is showing up big time.  Seems like everything I own.  I can't take any anti-imflammatories, so I whined to my dogs and my cats and my birds and the suckers all just laughed and said, "Yeah, yeah.  Life's a *****.  Feed us." <sigh>
Still hanging tough. Quite honestly, the pain is easier to deal with than the heebie jeebies and the depression.

Thank you all for being,
Wren

[angst]

Never put yourself down.  Hold up your head, because you are as important as anyone else.  I enjoy reading your posts, and they help me.  
What bothers me about NA and AA is the God thing.  I am Catholic and an existentialist.  I work it out in my mind so that it works.  I chose to open up my heart and let Jesus in.  So that He is a part of me.  He is not some outside entity to me.  I cannot find him outside of me.  It is a problem in groups at times.  I've been to Mr. Bill's gospel, Bible beating AA meetings.  I've been to NA groups that talk about their using days.  I want and enjoyed the person who wrote the 12 steps using truth in place of other words in the steps.  I think it might have been you.  It was great.  I can accept things like that.  It is the higher power part that loses me every time.  This time I'm trying harder with Church and my rosary, but the temptation to pull out my tarot cards is strong. I just may do that today.  Thanks for listening.   Ava

[hippy]

good to hear from you, and thanks ,we need each other support.
i also grew up in the church of don't(catholic) ,don't do this , don't do that, they forgot to tell us what to do.
Anyway in all my years in the program , it was always suggested to me to put my religion on the shelf, during early recovery., and to focous on recovery and staying clean , there is plenty of time in  to get back with our respected religions, but only after we get better.
As far as the god thing, i always had a problems to.
religon simplfieded is  , love god , love youreslves, love others, now with this statement, i had a problem loving god, i also had  a problem loving myself, but i found i could love other people, 1 out of 3 ain't bad, any way loving and caring for others is something i have been able to connect to.
I have heard and experenced that my love for other 's has always
been a source of great joy, and happiness.
my love for others has made me feel great.

as addicts it's always one extreem or the other,
with guys ,i used to say  they had a bible in one hand and a plaboy in the other.
you  could say bible in one hand tarrot in the other.

i guess thats why it is a wise thing to get a mentor or a sponsor
for advice in such matters.
best to keep it simple in early recovery.
peace                                    michael

[angst]

My sponsor is MIA.  I talked to her at work, she said she'd call,
but I'm still waiting on that call.  Her phone at home is disconnected.  She's not making meetings.  I need a new sponsor.
I need to visit the group across town, but I've heard they are more God oriented.  I guess I will go to see.  I also have an easier time loving others than the other two.  Thanks for responding.  I needed to hear from you.  Ava

[JemDiamond]

Hi~this is my first time looking at this site, and I'm not absolutely sure what it is, but it might just be what I need.  I have been addicted to Fioricet for many years, and I desperately want to get off and stay off it.  I go through withdrawels about once or twice a month, whenever I run out, and I am just finishing up a bout of throwing up for 2 days even as I write this.  The pain in my head is pretty bad, which is why I was taking the Fioricet in the first place, but I've decided I just can't live my life like this--secretly addicted, no one knowing about it, suffering through withdrawel symptoms all alone and then just bouncing right back to it as soon as I can get a refill...if anyone can relate, or offer some advice (what is this "recipe" thing I keep reading about?), or just some encouragement, it would be really appreciated!  I'm past the worst of the symptoms this time, and I really feel motivated to kick it for good.  Although it sounds like an oxymoron, throwing up really sucks!

[Hinkster]

Shoot up to the very first thread and post exactly what you said
here. You won't be "hi-jacking" as gwh has opened up a thread that anyone can post to. You are not being overlooked, not in
this forum, they just have to find you first. There are plenty
of good people here waiting to hear from someone like you and I
promise they will help you. So what are you waiting for?
Good luck!
Tom