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For the Newbie, my detox story
If you are brand new or hovering this might help
This is one to keep track of in the archives cause I loved DutchessGolden's take on this one... all of hers actually. Maybe I'll come back and cut an paste some of this stuff at a later date...
wow its nice to know your history.
i teach gymnastics and sometimes that involves doing. but i forget im not 21 anymore. just tore a tendon in my wrist. i weened off vicoden when i found out i was pregnant, my doctor said just make sure your off them in your last trimester. well i weened off them when i was 3 months pregnant, i was so scared. it was a little hard but i was taking them as prescibed this time. after my son was born i breast feed so i diddn't take them for 8 months. but after another "injury" at the gym it really did not require any more than tylenol i was off to the races again. now i need to stop for good.
hey know you no my story
thanx for keeping in touch
jill
i teach gymnastics and sometimes that involves doing. but i forget im not 21 anymore. just tore a tendon in my wrist. i weened off vicoden when i found out i was pregnant, my doctor said just make sure your off them in your last trimester. well i weened off them when i was 3 months pregnant, i was so scared. it was a little hard but i was taking them as prescibed this time. after my son was born i breast feed so i diddn't take them for 8 months. but after another "injury" at the gym it really did not require any more than tylenol i was off to the races again. now i need to stop for good.
hey know you no my story
thanx for keeping in touch
jill
I read that one to my wife and i at the same time... She is doing do good after re-hab and reading, "Boundries in Marriage."
And thanks Dutchess for the fond thoughts we are so hopeful that it is scary! Just sign up for intensive out-patient today and start tommorrow! The place is one block away!!!!!!!
Love to All!
Jim
And thanks Dutchess for the fond thoughts we are so hopeful that it is scary! Just sign up for intensive out-patient today and start tommorrow! The place is one block away!!!!!!!
Love to All!
Jim
Hey you! I've been trying to get around to posting to you! You were missed very much. And Congratulations! I don't think I could add much to your post it is a great post and I would say for any newcomer to read it and take it in deep.
On the last 6 or 7 sentences heh, The body doesn't necesarily produce pain in order to get more of the drug ( I say necessarily b/c psychologically the mind can manifest all sorts of things in addiction) however, opiate abuse does decrease your pain threshold in the pain center of the brain. So physically you cannot tolerate as much pain as you would have been able to prior to use.
And decreased healing time: Absolutely! Opiates have very complex and numerous effects on the endocrine system, effecting hormones, cell turnover, cell death etc. But basically over 80% of your immune system is in your digestive tract. Opiate receptors are very widely distributed throughout the digestive tract. This is the reason for constipation. Opiates originally were a wonderful treatment for diarrhea b/c they slow and/or paralyze the smooth muscle of the digestive tract. It does the same in the lungs which is why codeine or hydrocodone are very often found in prescription cough syrups. So yes, the immune system is suppressed in so many different ways. Your immune system is responsible for your body's ability to heal. So like you said, getting a cut on your hand: the healing is dependent on your immune system getting blood( and all its components-oxygen, platelets etc) to the wound in order for it to heal. Since the immune response is suppressed by opiate abuse then even small sores and wounds will take longer to heal.
xoxo- D.
PS If you don't mind me asking, your wife was trusting enough to be so open here with everyone and the both of you have been in my prayers, how have you been doing?
On the last 6 or 7 sentences heh, The body doesn't necesarily produce pain in order to get more of the drug ( I say necessarily b/c psychologically the mind can manifest all sorts of things in addiction) however, opiate abuse does decrease your pain threshold in the pain center of the brain. So physically you cannot tolerate as much pain as you would have been able to prior to use.
And decreased healing time: Absolutely! Opiates have very complex and numerous effects on the endocrine system, effecting hormones, cell turnover, cell death etc. But basically over 80% of your immune system is in your digestive tract. Opiate receptors are very widely distributed throughout the digestive tract. This is the reason for constipation. Opiates originally were a wonderful treatment for diarrhea b/c they slow and/or paralyze the smooth muscle of the digestive tract. It does the same in the lungs which is why codeine or hydrocodone are very often found in prescription cough syrups. So yes, the immune system is suppressed in so many different ways. Your immune system is responsible for your body's ability to heal. So like you said, getting a cut on your hand: the healing is dependent on your immune system getting blood( and all its components-oxygen, platelets etc) to the wound in order for it to heal. Since the immune response is suppressed by opiate abuse then even small sores and wounds will take longer to heal.
xoxo- D.
PS If you don't mind me asking, your wife was trusting enough to be so open here with everyone and the both of you have been in my prayers, how have you been doing?
OHHHH You want a good laugh? Here's one.....
SO, today I decided to get all the laundry done. I have a ton of it. I took the stuff outta the washer and just threw it in the dryer, like I always do. I came out to the kitchen and noticed a slight smell of chocolate cake baking. Well, its only me, and the 2 babies here. (she's 3, and he's 2) So I'm thinking, "mmmm...one of the neighbors must be baking something goooood.."
Well, then I noticed my babies were being tooooo good, ya know..they were sitting perfectly straight, watching cartoons...not bugging me for anything...I chalked it up to good luck for me! THEN the chocolate cake smell is stronger, stronger.....AND I noticed that only when I walked past the LAUNDRY ROOM did that smell GET stronger.....
I KNEW. Before I opened the dryer, I KNEW WHAT I WAS GOING TO FIND....CUPCAKES. CHOCOLATE CUPCAKES FROM SETH'S BIRTHDAY PARTY 3 DAYS AGO. ALL OVER THE WHITE BLEACH LOAD I JUST THREW IN THERE.
As I am pulling clothes/cupcake wrappers/batter/goop out of the dryer...my 3 year old comes wandering in there, all innocent of course...and slyly says...."MOMMA! You aren't supposed to wash cuppy-cakes..." Then she ran off. She must have seen that look in my eyes that warned her to RUN..........
I took some deep breaths, lit a cigarette.....and called my mom. WHO, of course, was laughing so hard at my predicament that I couldn't get any sort of comfort out of HER whatsoever. She did, however, remind me that she put that wretched mother's curse on me years ago...you know, that old "I hope you have one just like you" curse.
Well, mom, congragulations...I have SIX just like me.....and chocolate 'cuppy-cake" goop all over my dryer. :)
Rotten kids. lol
Jenny
SO, today I decided to get all the laundry done. I have a ton of it. I took the stuff outta the washer and just threw it in the dryer, like I always do. I came out to the kitchen and noticed a slight smell of chocolate cake baking. Well, its only me, and the 2 babies here. (she's 3, and he's 2) So I'm thinking, "mmmm...one of the neighbors must be baking something goooood.."
Well, then I noticed my babies were being tooooo good, ya know..they were sitting perfectly straight, watching cartoons...not bugging me for anything...I chalked it up to good luck for me! THEN the chocolate cake smell is stronger, stronger.....AND I noticed that only when I walked past the LAUNDRY ROOM did that smell GET stronger.....
I KNEW. Before I opened the dryer, I KNEW WHAT I WAS GOING TO FIND....CUPCAKES. CHOCOLATE CUPCAKES FROM SETH'S BIRTHDAY PARTY 3 DAYS AGO. ALL OVER THE WHITE BLEACH LOAD I JUST THREW IN THERE.
As I am pulling clothes/cupcake wrappers/batter/goop out of the dryer...my 3 year old comes wandering in there, all innocent of course...and slyly says...."MOMMA! You aren't supposed to wash cuppy-cakes..." Then she ran off. She must have seen that look in my eyes that warned her to RUN..........
I took some deep breaths, lit a cigarette.....and called my mom. WHO, of course, was laughing so hard at my predicament that I couldn't get any sort of comfort out of HER whatsoever. She did, however, remind me that she put that wretched mother's curse on me years ago...you know, that old "I hope you have one just like you" curse.
Well, mom, congragulations...I have SIX just like me.....and chocolate 'cuppy-cake" goop all over my dryer. :)
Rotten kids. lol
Jenny
You go girl! (hehe) You are so totally awsome!
Seriously, you are absolutely incredible!!!
(Were you ever a paralegal in a past life?)
Seriously, you are absolutely incredible!!!
(Were you ever a paralegal in a past life?)
Thanks for your story. I was going to c/t today and took 40 mg this morning. The reason to quit is the pills are making me sick now. I was taking 120-150 mgs a day. I have lurked here now and then for 6 months and knew my day was coming. Feeling lightheaded and sick right now and taper is not an option. Thanks for reading
To,
To,
when out of the blue...who shall appear? lol...i think you definitely deserve the "longest lurker" award on this forum. in all the time you have been here...i think you may have posted 3-4 times at best...
i wish you would talk to us more often and share your story too.
another thing...are you male or female?
kim
i wish you would talk to us more often and share your story too.
another thing...are you male or female?
kim
Thank you for posting that Fishmeal. I'm really struggling with wanting to quit
these blasted pills. At the most I've taken 8 7.5 Vics in a day....usually I take
5 or 6 over the course of the day. Of course I'm taking more than what I'm prescribed and running out early. I told my doctor earlier this week that I want off of these and what can be done to help. He has be set up with a pain management clinic (a nice
place, he says) who specializes in helping folks such as I get off the meds. I can't get in
to see them until 7/5 and my pills are going to run out in 3-4 days leaving me about 10 days before I can refill.
I don't know that I need detox with the level of my addiction. I'd love to go to sleep and
wake up free of those damned pills. I know i can't c/t and I've tried tapering but....the
problem is..I have the pills..and I take them.
I'm 57 years old with other health issues (just had a pacemaker put in) and I'd love to kick these things and get my life back..Is Suboxone the answer? I've looked at the website and there are doctors near me who prescribe it..is detox the answer? Where do I go for that?
My thoughts and prayers with those in much worse shape than I..I know how bad I can feel and can only imagine how bad some of you feel.
BG
these blasted pills. At the most I've taken 8 7.5 Vics in a day....usually I take
5 or 6 over the course of the day. Of course I'm taking more than what I'm prescribed and running out early. I told my doctor earlier this week that I want off of these and what can be done to help. He has be set up with a pain management clinic (a nice
place, he says) who specializes in helping folks such as I get off the meds. I can't get in
to see them until 7/5 and my pills are going to run out in 3-4 days leaving me about 10 days before I can refill.
I don't know that I need detox with the level of my addiction. I'd love to go to sleep and
wake up free of those damned pills. I know i can't c/t and I've tried tapering but....the
problem is..I have the pills..and I take them.
I'm 57 years old with other health issues (just had a pacemaker put in) and I'd love to kick these things and get my life back..Is Suboxone the answer? I've looked at the website and there are doctors near me who prescribe it..is detox the answer? Where do I go for that?
My thoughts and prayers with those in much worse shape than I..I know how bad I can feel and can only imagine how bad some of you feel.
BG
Suboxone was the answer for me on a 6 week detox. There was a younger girl that did it in 7 with the stuff and she was doing it more than us...
Go figure?
Go figure?
Thanx Jen
Hearing that story does a body good to laugh. I did not have any laughter before I went in and I feel for the people still hovering but want them to know there is a bright future. I was a hold out in that I waited till the pills simply didn't work no matter what and that great feeling only came once every few days or so.
Hearing that story does a body good to laugh. I did not have any laughter before I went in and I feel for the people still hovering but want them to know there is a bright future. I was a hold out in that I waited till the pills simply didn't work no matter what and that great feeling only came once every few days or so.
Hey I know what you mean, about going c/t...the body and brain both do whatever needed to get you to take a pill.
I went c/t over 2 months ago. It was HELL...but I did it. I had sweats, headaches, panic attacks...you name it. THEN I had talked to a doctor that told me IT WAS ALL IN MY HEAD. Yep. He said that all w/d's are in the mind..and if you can overcome them you will be fine. So of course, I believed him thinking HE is a doctor, and I must just be too weak to use his 'mind over matter' concept. When I first posted here back then, I was awful....I told everyone what he told me...that it was all in our heads. LOL....I felt so awful that day...and it took another 3 days before I started feeling normal. The biggest problem for me was the pills were SO easy to get....I work in a bar, and everyone always has some kind of pill...and when occassionally I did buy them...they were so dirt cheap. That's why I was so shocked by that intervention episode..the one with the kid addicted to oxycontins..he said on that show he had to have at least a $20 to get just ONE pill.
I have never seen anything like that before. Seriously. Now my DOC was always the vicodin/norco/percocet. And those were always so cheap, so accessible.
NOW....the thought of them makes me sick. I actually can't believe that I ever craved them the way I did. I HAVE a bottle of norcos.....its just sitting on my shelf. I keep it cuz my husband is a MAN(lol)and refuses to go see a doctor about his knee injury....(his knee is whacked....just leave it at that.) So occassionally he'll take one of them for pain. I asked him the other day, What it is like to just take them for pain? I mean, I really was seriously asking...cuz I took them for that euphoric feeling. He told me he didn't know HOW I could have liked them so much...cuz they make him sick. He only takes them when he is REALLY in pain.
I guess it just depends on the person, I suppose. Like the alcoholics I see at the bar everyday....I don't GET that...I mean, the few times I have drank with friends...YUCK..the next day reminds me of WHY I don't drink..lol.
But some of my customers...WOW...they drink like 24/7....and I don't see how they can do that without being SO sick.
This one guy, we call him 'gibby' at my bar...he's like that. He drinks, drinks, drinks.....he closes the bar down with me...and opens it up with the day bartender.
Once I asked him: "Gibby....how do you do it? I mean, HOW do you avoid hangovers from HELL?"
Ya know what he said to me? "Well, Jen, that's easy....I'm never sober....."
Okay I've rambled on enough...but I am really proud that you did it, fishmeal...like they say, take it one day at a time. :)
Jennifer
I went c/t over 2 months ago. It was HELL...but I did it. I had sweats, headaches, panic attacks...you name it. THEN I had talked to a doctor that told me IT WAS ALL IN MY HEAD. Yep. He said that all w/d's are in the mind..and if you can overcome them you will be fine. So of course, I believed him thinking HE is a doctor, and I must just be too weak to use his 'mind over matter' concept. When I first posted here back then, I was awful....I told everyone what he told me...that it was all in our heads. LOL....I felt so awful that day...and it took another 3 days before I started feeling normal. The biggest problem for me was the pills were SO easy to get....I work in a bar, and everyone always has some kind of pill...and when occassionally I did buy them...they were so dirt cheap. That's why I was so shocked by that intervention episode..the one with the kid addicted to oxycontins..he said on that show he had to have at least a $20 to get just ONE pill.
I have never seen anything like that before. Seriously. Now my DOC was always the vicodin/norco/percocet. And those were always so cheap, so accessible.
NOW....the thought of them makes me sick. I actually can't believe that I ever craved them the way I did. I HAVE a bottle of norcos.....its just sitting on my shelf. I keep it cuz my husband is a MAN(lol)and refuses to go see a doctor about his knee injury....(his knee is whacked....just leave it at that.) So occassionally he'll take one of them for pain. I asked him the other day, What it is like to just take them for pain? I mean, I really was seriously asking...cuz I took them for that euphoric feeling. He told me he didn't know HOW I could have liked them so much...cuz they make him sick. He only takes them when he is REALLY in pain.
I guess it just depends on the person, I suppose. Like the alcoholics I see at the bar everyday....I don't GET that...I mean, the few times I have drank with friends...YUCK..the next day reminds me of WHY I don't drink..lol.
But some of my customers...WOW...they drink like 24/7....and I don't see how they can do that without being SO sick.
This one guy, we call him 'gibby' at my bar...he's like that. He drinks, drinks, drinks.....he closes the bar down with me...and opens it up with the day bartender.
Once I asked him: "Gibby....how do you do it? I mean, HOW do you avoid hangovers from HELL?"
Ya know what he said to me? "Well, Jen, that's easy....I'm never sober....."
Okay I've rambled on enough...but I am really proud that you did it, fishmeal...like they say, take it one day at a time. :)
Jennifer
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