Good Morning to EVERYONE!

[Chezz]

Pretty cool I got to start a thread on my 1st day back!!! LOL
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone here. Thanks for thinking about me.
I was thinking about all of you too. I just couldn't get into my office. I was trying to take it easy and lay up before my test to hopefully avoid getting surgery. I know it was useless but I wasn't feeling good and really just needed to not sit.

So now I am back in my office, doing the computer on the ground thing again.

I hope everyone is doing alright. And for those of you going through withdrawls - I hope they are getting easier everyday.

Chezz

[dreamin]

has anyone used neurontin  for migraines or cluster headaches..or for anything?  my dr is talking about prescribing this for me but I wanted to know what everyones experience was..

sheila

[bmac]

Yes I have taken it before.It helped with the pain management
and for cluster headaches.I also went thru biofeedback therapy
to help my headaches.It is a relaxation technic.The neurotin is a seizure med and it has been found to help in pain management.
Try it and I bet it helps.I took it along with oxycontin for about 3 months.
                        bmac

[dreamin]

thanks, I will, i have been reading about it and it doesn't seem to be addictive or anything.  would that be a true statement?

sheila

I dated a bass player for about five years, traveled all over the US..I kind of miss that life...

[dreamin]

thanks, I will, i have been reading about it and it doesn't seem to be addictive or anything.  would that be a true statement?

sheila

I dated a bass player for about five years, traveled all over the US..I kind of miss that life...

[Chezz]

Thats right it is a seizure med. I was trying to remember what it was. It worked for me too for awhile. I posted below girl. ;)
I posted this on my last post to Bmac too. but ....
Did you quit smoking for good? I am going to have 1. I can't smoke in my office while the wife is home!!! LOL I hope she doesn't read this, or I;m in big trouble in little tokyo!! LOL ;)
Chezz

[Chezz]

I kind of miss that life too. Then you could come by and we could go out for lunch sometime! :)
Chezz

-

[bmac]

I didn't have any effects from it when I stopped taking it.My headaches got better so I dropped it.
As for the bass thing.I couldn't live without my music.
I would be lost without it.I get the chance during the spring and summer to play at festivals all over the south and I miss
it during the fall and winter months.Musicians are such great people but most of them or should I say us are addicted to something.We all need help I think.
                           bmac

[athena]

Welcome back chezz.You sound very chipper this morning.When is your surgery?I guess the new meds are finally helping you some.I hope your day is a good one.

pixi

[suzieneedshelp]

Soo great to hear you are back with the living!  Super accomplishment man!  Pat your self on the back .  Weee are so proud of you.  Fill us in on the up coming surgery.  Take care!
Suzie

[Chezz]

To "***@****"

No I am not bragging and I am sorry you are tired of me posting.

Yes I am insecure and wish that I did have a job and a life.

I don't know why you emailed me and just didn't post it here. And how or why you closed out your email so fast, and didn't say who you are.

I am not ashamed of myself and have nothing to hide from you or anyone here. So you can feel free to post and ***** me out here if you want. Hiding behind an email and then closing it out so I can't reply back to you is absurd. Feel free to try and embarrass me here.

To EVERYONE:

I am sorry to anyone here if you took any of my posts, past or present to be bragging or talking about myself.
I do feel insecure about myself right now. I really miss working and contributing to the household. I have always been in charge, and now I am sitting on the sidelines.
It also is not easy being a male and following your wifes career. Having to resign and get a new job everytime we move. Then having to deal with these health issues.
I have felt like I needed to justify myself and make up for it by explaining myself.
It isn't easy not working regardless of it being because of health, moving alot, or any other reason.
Poor boo hoo me is not the type of person I am.
But it is hard to be going through all of this and not feel a little insecure and worthless. Its not about money, it about self worth.
That is why I have spent so much time in here. After I went off the meds twice and got the support from people here. I realized I could help other people too.
I felt that if I can help people in here get through their addiction and provide support, than that is worth something. Or if something I wrote got ONE person to post, and finally decided to get clean. Than that is worth something.
It makes me feel good to help. My wife also supports me being in here, not just for me, but for anyone who gets something from me being here.
That is when I realized I could still do something even though I could not get a real job due to my health, and impending move.

I hope everyone understands and hasn't taken my posts the way someone here obviously has.
I am no different than anyone else here, no better no worse. I don't know how to say it.
I just like to be here. I am sorry if I have come off bragging, mean, arrogant, a$$holish, hurtful, ect.ect.ect. to anyone.
Chezz

[cruds]

Is this best place to post this? I dunno, it wouldn't ket me start a new topic.. Anyways..

I feel kinda bad coming on here spilling my problems when I read about such awefull stuff as rape and child custody problems related to addiction. My heart goes out to those people... but right now I really need to at least write this and be honest and share for the first time...

I have been a hydro addict for 3 years, living in South Florida until this past spring. I moved to the Tennessee valley and brought my 3 big bottles of hydro with me planning to taper and get clean once and for all.. I don't know anyone here that could supply me with anything but pot and I don't have doctor shopping skills so I knew this was gonna be the end of it..

Well I was taking a total of 6 - 10s a day, starting at around 2pm daily, The first change I made was to never do anything before 6pm (I don't really know the reasoning myself other than to prove to myself that I could stick to the change). At that point I was still taking roughly 4.5 10s and feeling the initial effects of tapering..

Long story short (yeah right), I eventually cut down to 1 - 10 at dinner time and a half about an hour before bedtime. This took 3 months to achieve and I was just about out of drugs altogether when I cut down to a half of a 10 per evening.. I felt unusually bad for a few days and then ultimately ran out of hydro. I then finished off a supply of a few darvocets I had over a week's time so I was essential running on fumes until 4 days ago.

4 days into being totally clean of pain meds from the "running on fumes" stage I'm really feeling unexpectedly worse than I thought I would... nausea, turds, restlessness, irritability, panic... elevated more today that the first couple days of having nothing..

I know I can't relapse because of an utter lack of resources but I'm still feeling guilty as hell about the whole thing.
I could have flushed everything when I moved and this would be over long before now, or does it never end? Why didn't I do that?
I have thoughts of visiting Florida to stock up again.
I cannot envision having a enjoying life's activities without the drug.
I'm all mixed up... I thought tapering down would make it easier and I guess it's better than cold turkey, but I don't feel any less guilty about myself or my actions...
Can I expect to see the light at the end of the tunnel anytime soon?
I'm sorry I wrote so much..
I'll stop now..
Thanks for letting me write this guys...
CRuds

[suzieneedshelp]

OMG..who in the h___ would call getting through withdrawal bragging??  Just ignore them please!  I think you have always been very humble and amazingly open with your life, struggles and dilemas.  Its so hard to spill your guts here and admit all you have.  Please just realise that person is jealous and projecting somehow on you.  Never apologise for being you!  We like you!
Best wishes,
Suzie

[athena]

Hello and welcome to the forum.I was on hydro 4-5mg tabs daily.About 18 days ago I quit.just got so tired of worrying where my next dose would come from among other things.you can post anywhere on here that you want to.You sure did a good job of tapering,I was never able to stick to it myself.Now for the good news....You are almost through the worst of the physical w/ds.At day 5 I was feeling pretty good,and by day 7 I felt like a new person except the little bit of depression.That part is much better now too.I still want the hydro though.Im not sure when that desire will go completely away.Most people here have had a similar experience getting off hydro.Hot baths will really ease the achiness and the thomas recipe(posted everywhere here)will help you get your energy back.Keep posting.just talking with others that know what your going through will help a lot

good luck.
pixi
P.S.
I live in east Tennessee

[bmac]

Welcome.Tennessee Valley,is that in bama or tenn.I only ask because I am in Birmingham.Say it's not dry there,the pot thing.
Oh well I guess you realize that you have come to the right place.We all are here for pretty much the same reason.Some of us are prescription addicts but addiction is addiction no matter how
pretty we try and make it sound.Your feeling so bad is typical.
It takes time to get the **** out of your body then it takes time to get your body to start healing itself.If you do go back to Fla and start over again you will just be back into the
same shape again.But only you know what you need to do.Whether
you use or not this place can help with the mental games your
mind play on you,all of us.I have always thought 90% mental and 10% physical.For me at least.Do what you need to do to get better.The famous Thomas recipe will clear up alittle of the mind fog and restore your body back to where you can deal with this.The recipe is listed throughout this forum.welcome once again.
                              bmac

[Chezz]

Thanks Suzie and Pixi. I hope things are going good for you guys too. The meds have helped. Sleep is the next step.
Suz, I read your post. I hope you can get the help you need regarding you child. I can't imagine having to go through that. And Pixi, I always like reading your posts. You always are trying  to bring some laughter here.

I am so burnt out right now.
I really don't want anyone to post. I just want everyone to understand and hope that they know where I am coming from. Which the people on here that I consider to be friends do know.
It just sucks there always has to be that one.
I just want to leave it at that.
I am tired and am going to try and get some sleep.
Chezz

[juliegal]

I am new on this forum too - I too was hooked on hydros.  I have been taking them 2 years for a back problem.  I was only taking around 3 10's per day on the worse day....days 2 and 3 nearly killed me - Day 3 is when I found this forum...Today is day four and after getting the L-Tyrosine and Vitamin B-6 - I am much better today - I am depressed - but I am hoping that will get better.  Sounded like we had something in common so I just wanted to post to you!!!! Good luck!

[cruds]

Thanks guys.. So swift with the promising words..
I won't go back to Florida, but the thought is there. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about..
I'm just outside Nashville, which is so nice right now.. Colors are changing. I wanna change with them.
There's pot here, but it's like puffing a candy cigarette for me right now, just going thru physical motions of getting some sorta high. I feel alot better reading these posts. Could I flush a Lori? Not yet...
I'm gonna go find out about the Thomas thing now..
I'll be back!

[Thomas02]

Let's make it easy. Here's the recipe with what I hope are some improvements and clarifications. Remember, the first thing that addiction takes from you is self-esteem. The recipe won't in itself give that back to you, but just getting through detox and starting down the road to recovery will certainly make it easier to find. Good luck.

Thomas

Thomas Detox Recipe

PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas

This recipe is designed for cold turkey opiate detox. It assumes that you can get about 5 to 7 days away from your job or household responsibilities during which you can sleep, veg and act as miserable as you feel. Opiate WD mimics the symptoms of the common flu, so, if you need a smokescreen, hide behind a bad case of the flu.

NOTE: If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.

You'll need:

1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

2. Imodium (immodium) (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.

5. Vitamin B6 caps.

6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

How to use the recipe:

Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

Use the Imodium (immodium) aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

With breakfast, take the mineral supplement.

As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.

PLEASE NOTE: If you have any medical complications, first check with your doctor before detoxing to verify that this regimen is safe for you.

[cruds]

Thanks for the in depth explanation.. I'm heading in a minute to track some stuff down... From what I can tell I actually don't have some of the symptoms that others describe.. Maybe the tapering can explain some of that. I feel really nauseous right now though and my hands hurt in a "nervous" kind of fashion if that makes any sense...
Here's something though that I can't explain... I can't listen to music. Everything sounds all out of time.. it's hard to describe. 8 counts sound like they need to be 6 counts. My brain isn't registering it correctly for some reason and its very disturbing.. Has anyone noticed this before or have I gone loonier than I once thought??

[athena]

hey chezz,don't worry about that mean email.Telling people about your life is NOT bragging!It was probably someone with nothing better to do with their time .Stay the person that you are and keep posting what you want.That %$^&%* doesn't have to read them!

pixi

[Chezz]

You have mail. Please check.
Chezz

[Chezz]

Thanks Pixi. I am not worrying about it. You can email me at ***@**** though if you would like to. I forgot where you put your email at. I remember it was a funny one though. ;)
I couldn't sleep still. I maybe got an hour or so, plus some rest. So that was good. I should sleep good tonight.
Chezz

[Goldenbear]

I don't know who sent you a nasty e-mail, but ignore them. I for one attribute gaining the strength to stop my 100mg plus Lorcet habit to your insightful threads on this site. We are far from perfect, but our experiences, good, bad, or indifferent help all of us relate to our addictions.
Thankyou for your generosity in expressing what an obvious tightas- could not do themself.
I hope you are feeling better. Keep posting, when you are gone we all worry about you.
Goldenbear

[Goldenbear]

The threads posted to you are very insightful. Try to step back and recognize that as an addict your WD is now going into the mental arena. If you follow "Thomas' Recipe" it will help with alot of these funky twitchy feelings you have in your head.
I quit a 100mg - 130mg Lorcet habit 19 days ago and boy do I crave the hydro. It is scary, but our brains are craving the stuff and producing physical symtoms so we can rationalize using again.
Stay here with us and express yourself as well as you have done today. I gain great stability and common sense from this site. I'm sure you can gain an edge too.
Good luck
Goldenbear

[PimpShit]

Does anyone here actually recamend methadone treatment? I have found out there is a local NA place.. and also a methadone clinic. Just anyone give me some thoughts on whats the best way to go....

[skipper]

hey;
welcome to the forum...always room for one more junky in here! so
come on in! get with thomas's recipe asap. keep posting and always
remember, there is a way through!
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[Goldenbear]

Sorry to fall off the thread everyone.
Check your email for the piccs. Enjoy them, I sure do
Goldenbear

[mrmichael67]

You are almost out of the woods.  Don't go back to Florida.

[GOD]

You need to contact a poster called "GWH" here. He can help you with any Methodone questions. Apparently it works great for him, because when he's on it, he doesn't answer e-mail or post on the forum. BUT when he slips back onto the OXY-road, he's here in a flash. Actually, I DO feel good about GWH; His absence from the forum usually indicates that he's doing allright!

Later
~~~~Jessesarpy~~~~

[athena]

Hey gb,all your little ones are adorable.Your little boy has the sweetest smile.he looks like one very happy child.I was expecting to see them all sharing a cone.lol

pix

[Thomas02]

I'm curious. If you will, would you explain to me how you came to choose your handle? It's just my opinion, but 'pimpshit' seems deliberately offensive. Was that your intention?

[PimpShit]

Its just the name i have used for years.

[Bodymechanic]

Methadone is an almost painless way to detox.  The most important thing is to get off quickly.  No more than 5 to 7 days the most. The standard 21 day detox is long enough to give you a methadone habit worse than what you were trying to kick in the first place.  Methadone is a very addictive drug and one of the worst drugs to kick once you have a habit.  Difficult means intense withdrawals for 2-3 months. Some people report not feeling normal for up to a year. Methadone is a very pleasant long lasting high. You may be tempted to stay on longer than 5-7 days.  Don't do it unless you are prepared to suffer. It is very seductive drug and that is the reason methadone gets such a bad rap.  

You may want to look into bupenorphine.  It is avalable in  privately run detoxs.  I think within the next 2 months it will be a lot more avalable.

Peace


Bodymechanic

[PimpShit]

Thanks, Ive actually heard about bupenorphine here, While reading about the detox place in indiana.

[fgibbons]

Well, I don't know ya, but for whatever its worth, glad your doing well. :)

Hope being back in the office isn't too much of a shock. I gotta admit, sounds more like a joy than anything.

Congrats on anything and everything.

You just seemed so happy about being back in your office (wherever and for whatever purpose it serves) that I had to reply.

Anyway, glad your back. (although I don't remember missing you, then again, where am I? Do I know you??)

:P

Best wishes always...
Fitzgibbons

[lisabet]

Hi Cheez - I've been so wrapped up in my own little world, I didn't realize you're facing surgery until I read some of the posts.  When is this going to happen?  Surgery is a scary thing; I know you're not looking forward to it.  As for your "anoyamous" (sic) post; I don't know why anyone would want to pick on you.  You're such a straight talker and to me totally unpretentious; your posts have made me think so much---as far as I'm concerned, you should tell this person to KYA!!! Screw 'em! I love your posts, along with Thomas's and Bmacs---feels like I'm listening to "real" people.  It sounds like a person who is jealous of your posts, for whatever reasons---a f****** coward!...So ignore it!!! Please don't go away Cheez---I need your advise and encouragement (...really...)  lisabet

[Chezz]

You really ought to think about using less ..... then.
Its pretty easy to tell. ;)
Chezz

[lisabet]

You're right....sorry. I'm heading out to GNC this afternoon to stock up on the recipe items. I'm still using but going to go on them anyway with the hope it may make me feel stronger while I'm trying to taper.  I probably won't be posting for a while, (unless it's to ask questions). since I'm still using, I really don't have anything to add to the posts to help anyone else. Hopefully one of these days I'll be able to post "18 days sober", and be an inspiration to someone the way all of you have been to me. But I'll still be reading; I've gotten used to having my daily fix of this forum...(that's the addict in me talking!!!)...smile. Again, sorry for the previous post...that was me after having a couple shots of JD..NOT a pretty sight! :)I didn't even know what the hell I was talking about. Well, I'm out the door---everybody have a great weekend. Lisabet  xoxoxo

[athena]

Hi lisabet,I hope your not going to quit posting just because your using.You are still able to contribute to this forum by just posting as you do.Your questions may be what some others would ask if they werent too nervous or shy to post.I hope you are able to taper and make it easier when you go for it.The recipe just may be the key.Anyway,I hope your day is a good one.

pixi

[Witchywoman]

I agree with pixi, you don't have to stop posting just because you are still using. This place is for all addicts, in any stage of the illness. There is no rule that you have to be clean to post.  

I am the first one to say that I am all in favor of recovery, but I also know that if you feel ashamed of yourself, it is harder to get into recovery.  We sorta have to love each other and ourselves into health.  Love, acceptance, and compassion are what I found when I found this place.  So, we're here for you no matter what.

Also, I found that when I was in the week of my wds, posting here helped keep me sane. I wrote tons, rambled myself silly, but got through it, and so can you, when you are ready.

love,
WW

[Chezz]

My post was not directed toward you at all. It was gibbons, or actually, whomever WROTE gibbons post.
I didn't even see your post.
But I was speaking about whomevers using all the ............... and -------- in their posts tooo. ;)
Chezz

[groovygirl]

poopers.

[GOD]

And he really thought it was someone else... But I knew it was you. If you really wanted to REALLY rile this forum up, why didn't you just post as Username:Chezz?

~~~~Jess~~~~

[GOD]

So she's bored. Huh.

And you didn't want to "Even mess with anyone new"

*She's* got a four-four,
Won't even knock at my door?
Free ticket to the NSA
All she has to do is is be willing to play.
The cat has her tongue-
I guess she is "Done"

~~~~Jess~~~~

P.S. I liked your chicken story. That's "I" not "i"
I am truly dissapointed in you. All I asked was for you to post in MY STYLE under the USERNAME JesseSarpy. I know it can't be THAT hard. Cheers.

[GOD]

sorry, i don't take *your* requests, neither do any of the rest of us you might be interested in talking to.  however, on the request of my friend yogi, your account is temperarily mine.  big wow eh...

hydrocodone lover

[The Med Help Forum Police ®]

You dont requests because you can do nothing more than post under the names you make up....or names that are CLOSE but no cigar for the REAL ones......................................... you are nothing, you can do nothing.

[Chezz]

you are 100% correct.  i am nothing and can do nothing.  nice to know you all got your panties in a bunch over nothing, isn't it?

[philm]

CHEZZ CAN YOU CALL ME? YOU SEEM TO HAVE SOME ANSWERS I DESPERATELY NEED (TOO MUCH TO TYPE) AND TOO SLOW. I NEED HELP BADLY. PLEASE CONSIDER IT. IM IN CHICAGO MY NAME IS PHIL. MY # IS 708 289 0907. IF U GET VOICE MAIL LEAVE  # I'LL CALL U TO SAVE U CHARGES. IT WILL BE ON THE SNEAK ..DONT WANT WIFE TO KNOW. ITS THURS 10/24 @ 3 PM. THANKX. I'M HAVING PROBS