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760862 tn?1243097304

HELP please i am in withdrawls / need to talk

help me please, i am going through withdrawls and need to talk to someone, i am onl 2 60 mg morphine  and 6 30 mg oxy a day i took more tha should have. now i am running out and i am going through withdrawls - help me please.
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757827 tn?1299016483
Kiddo, at this point in your recovery, if it feels good, do it.  Hot soup works wonders for me.  :-)

Also, hot showers work, or a hot bath.  Got a fire place?  Stoke that sucker up and sit in front of it and feel the warmth.  

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760862 tn?1243097304
i seem to be alive, doc gave me 5 15 mg morphs i didnt take all of them trying to stave off yucky feelings.  everyone seems to say the w/d's feel like the flu i think it feels like a bad hang over with a little extra kick...... i still feel like **** i only have until friday, i am trying really hard to make it. hope i can. thanks for checking on me. i really appriciate it.  my hubby made me some really good soup, eating it as hot as i can to sweat it out, kinda like a hangover...does that sound weird?????????? what do you think
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Been a few days. How you hanging in there? Hope your're managing OK.

Let us know, 'K.

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"" BTW, for those reading this that might think George's question regarding the bike was in bad taste, trust me, it isn't when dealing with riders.  No matter how bashed up a rider may be after a getoff, invariably his/her first words are "How's my bike?"  It is a universal truth. ""

I always understood that was universal truth and in extreme cases sometimes a bit of a joke among bikers. Given MG's response I was afraid some may have misunderstood. Thanks for clearing it up.

I agree 100% with your comments. Over use is rarely because of insufficient pain control, but more often because of the feel good effect of narcotics and the rebound pain effect. In the recovery room after my last surgury, the nurse kept asking my pain level. I knew if I said 8 or 9 she would give me more pain meds, but also knew that would not help in the long run, possibly triggering my addict self. I was honest and said 4. She said "we can't take all the pain away". In maintaining pain control, you have to find the level where it still hurts, but you can live with the pain. I know that's easier said than done.

You are especially right that if the "plan" is 4 pills a day you MUST stick to 4 pills a day. Even one day of one extra throws off your whole pain management. A good rule of thumb for tapering down is reduce by about 10-15% every 4-5 days.

Many people have been caught in the addiction of Tramadol. Not only is it opiate like, it has some mood elevating SSRI effects. That can interact badly with anti depressants people may be taking and make quitting in some ways harder than straight narcs.

Glad to hear you're up and riding, but be careful out there! It's the stuff you DON'T see coming that can hurt you worst.

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757827 tn?1299016483
My story started in a similar manner:  big ol' motorcycle, 65 mph, little ol' deer, broken body.  That was in 2002, and have had two surgeries and two addictions (vicodin and tramadol) since then, but am now clean and pain is in control.  Oh, and I am riding again.   But that's a story for another time.

BTW, for those reading this that might think George's question regarding the bike was in bad taste, trust me, it isn't when dealing with riders.  No matter how bashed up a rider may be after a getoff, invariably his/her first words are "How's my bike?"  It is a universal truth.

I also agree with George's recommendation.  Get everything above board.  You've got some tough times ahead, but that's all they are, tough times.   If you can get your physician to go along with someone holding for you, that's great.  

BUT, I am a little concerned about your husband.  I am sure he has the best intentions, but if he offered to go to the ER to score some pills for you, that's what is known in addiction circles as "an enabler."  You and he need to come to a concrete understanding that if he is holding for you, he needs to know the difference between you NEEDING the pills and WANTING the pills.  If the doc says "two in the morning, two in the evening," then he HAS to stick to that no matter what kind of **** you pull.  Believe me, you will pull some **** and it will be your addiction that will play the mind games and not your true personality. As sure as God made little green apples, once you have placed the responsibility for the dispensing of your relief on to someone else, your addiction's mind games will kick in and you will use all kinds of tricks to get them to cough up them pills.  He needs to know he is in for some tough times, and he has to remain tough.  This may be a job for Mom.

I'd like to offer one other piece of advice based on my experience.  The drug tramadol has been touted as a safe alternative to opiates as it effectively blocks pain and "does not produce the euphoria" that opiates do.  This is all true, BUT, it is VERY addictive and I can tell you withdrawals are very brutal, with danger of siezures if going c/t.  If, when consulting with your midico, he/she suggests using tramadol, ASK QUESTIONS.  Buried deep in the drug's literature is a warning that opiate addicts should not take it.  There are many many drugs on the market and doctors are bombarded daily with way too much data.  Somehow this drug has gotten a reputation as a "safe" pain killer, but just ask anyone on this forum that has been addicted to it how safe it is.

God bless you and good luck.

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760862 tn?1243097304
thank you for your responses.  i am still having it really rough right now, feel like i cant breath and my elbow / arm shaking me is reallly bad.  dont know what to do.  i know in the long term what has to be done but right now is the thing i have to deal with.  dont know what to do, hope dont die or loose my mind in the process:-)  oh and the bike was beat up but my husband gave the guy our title and said to have it,burn it do what he wanted with it, but, we he didnt want the s.o.b. back.
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Wow, quite a story. How did the bike fare. ;-)

Narcotic addiction can be rough. I think you're on the right track giving someone you trust the pills so you won't run out too soon, but that doesn't get you through this week.

The bad news: Five days cold turkey from the level of narcs you are taking can get very ugly. Expect, shakes, Diarrhea, cold sweats and in general like you have a case of the flu that's so bad you think you will die. You probably won't sleep much, and well you know how the pain will be. The good news: narcotic withdrawal won't kill you (usually). Main withdrawal only lasts 3-4 days, but that's days in hell that seem like an eternity.

Given that you can't quit the narcs all together now, why go through that? Level with your doctor that you need a little extra to get through the week, but are getting it in check with your husband/mom holding them. See if he will help.

Then with them holding, tell them NOT to leave the meds hidden in the house when you are alone. When you get the urge to find them you will, even if you have to crawl on the floor out of your chair.

IMHO and experience, narcotics taken long term almost always lead to this point. Part of what happens is that when you don't get your meds, you experience "rebound pain", that is pain much worse than normal because your bodies own pain fighting has shut down. You can only find your real baseline pain level by completely detoxing and staying off a few weeks. The oter bad issue as that when you take narcs long, you develop a tolerance and need more and more to maintain relief. That's often when the bad side effects come.

If I were you, I'd try to detox ASAP --- stabilize your dose first. Look into a doc that Rx's suboxone for detox, but research it carefully to make sure where you are going. I recommend it only as long as needed to get past the withdrawals and then taper off the suboxone.

You face a tough journey, but one you may have to travel. I've been there and now even with a cast on my leg and in a wheelchair from a recent injury learned how to manage my use of narcotics as a short term therapy.

Best wishes, I know you can do this! Try to rest, eat well and get plenty of fluids.


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760862 tn?1243097304
i appriciate the responses, i helps to talk about it.  my family is very supportive and my poor husband was even offering to go to the e.r. and get pain meds for me but i told him no that was too much.  i know i can get through this, i just need to keep talking to people, it really helps me ALOT. i didnt know that you could get a daily supply, that would be great!! as embarrasing as it is to say i know that i am an addict and also embarrassing is that i do not have the disipline to take only what i have been given.  i trust my mom and my hubby only with my pills the three of us talked yesterday about my problem and we though that i will give my script to one of them and have them issue me the meds  as needed so i dont run out.  my mom took an extended leave from work/ sorta, she is working off her computer here at my house, cause she is taking care of me until i can be alone and walk again. she is a ceo of a local company and has never had any drug or alcohol probs neither has my hubby, he is a foreman at a local company.  i trust them and i think i might go that rout.  thank you for chatting with me i hope others chat / respond throughout the day, i need to talk to people while going through this,is makes me feel better. thank you soo much
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340590 tn?1290952141
sorry to hear about your injuries.  sorry to tell you there is not magic cure..and not any way around the w/ds.  sounds like you are gonna have to talk to your dr about more pain meds...all the symptoms you described are w/d symptoms..hopefully they wont be too bad...
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781991 tn?1237964779
I responded to you already in another post, but I'll respond here too.  It sounds to me like you have a hard time disciplining yourself to take your medication responsibly.  You're not alone, most of us here started taking pain medication legitimately and started to abuse it later on.  You're in the right place.  

My opinion.  Tell your doctor you've lost some control on taking your medication.  It sounds like right now you need something to help with the pain.  What a bad accident.  I am sure I can speak for most of us by saying we are sorry something as unfortunate as this has happened to you.  Ask your doctor if you can get a daily prescription only allowing you to recieve just the medication you need to deal with at least most of the pain.  They should be able to do this.  You would pick up your daily amount and not be able to refill the next dose until the next day.  If you're stuck right now until you can see your doc again than wait today and keep checking for responses.  You will definitely get some great advice to naturally help you with the withdrawl symptoms like the health pages on the right of this forum like the Thomas Recipes and taking a bunch of vitimans that will help those symptoms a heck of a lot more than doing nothing.  Good luck and God Bless.

BQ
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760862 tn?1243097304
well the thing is is that is october of 2008 i wrecked on my harley and it fell on me i flew off of an embankment 40 feet down and 100 feet out.  i broke my pelvis and have 3 screws, broke my back in 3 spots (shattered T12) have 2 9 1/2 inch titanium harington rods and 4 harrington clips, broke all my ribs and punctured my right lung, smooshed my heart and now have a heart murmer, broke my collarbone which plated with 8 pins, broke my collar bone they plated that with 12 pins, broke my jaw, broke my nose, and had a 50% degloving on the right side of my head and almost bled to death, had my blood supply replaced 4 times, broke 5 teeth and loostened 3 more, ripped my mouth open from my bottom lip to my chin in 2 places.  they flew me from our local hospital to a trauma hospital 2 hours away in a helicopter called mercy flight, than they took me and my mom in a jet (i was considered a multiple trauma patient and the small trauma center could not handle my injuries and i needed a major trauma center), to seattle washington in a jet and i was a full code trauma once we hit the hospital.  anyway i am now home out of rehabilitaion center andhospiital and my pain is so unbelievable that i wind up taking more meds than post to to keep the pain down. in the hospital i was on a morphine pump that put 60 mg of morphine in me every 2 hours to keep pain down.  when i first got out of hospital my general doctor wrote my scripts for the first 2 times and than sent me to a pain management clinic, the doc there wrote the script that i have last month on the 13, i ran out of my pills last tuesday and called and told him what was going on and he wrote me for 30 more roxy's to last until this coming friday the 13th, i was post to take 3 a day until appt.  but, wound up taking them in the day and than at night when i have pain i take them at night also, that is how i ran out.  i want to stop taking them at some point but, now i am dependent on them cause of the pain.  i will get on a program to stop taking them when dont need them, but now i dont know what to do.  my left arm / elbow area is just shaky and feels funny and i am sweating / cold spells, watery eyes, and my pain on top of it.  oh, i forgot i am in a wheelchair cause i am having to learn how to walk all over again because of my injuries, i also have to wear a tlso /clam shell (i have it on in the pic by my name, can kinda see it better if you click on it and it enlarges).  so that is my problem in a nutshell, i need to make it until friday dont know what to do.........what do you think,any suggestions???? help please
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340590 tn?1290952141
hi montanagurl, are looking to quit the pills or are you just trying to get through til your refill?  i could not tell from your post.
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