Help please..Doc switched me to the patch

[Linco]

Hi all and thanks so much for your help in the past.  I don't post very much but I'm totally confused this time.  I was trying to taper off about six 7.5 vikes per day without much success.  The worst part was the nights.  I would wake up with the runs, horrible anxiety in the pit of my gut and to make it all worse, I experienced vivid and very disturbing nightmares.  My MD has switched me to the 25 mcg fentanyl patch and 3 vikes for breakthrough pain (chronic osteoarthritis) Next month we'll reduce to two supplemental tabs, then one, etc.  I don't feel great--no high--but the sleeping has improved dramatically.  I can even fall back asleep without additional "help".  What I worry about is the possibility that I'm taking even more opiate medication than

before.  My research hasn't  really given me any definitive answers.  If anyone has had a similar experience, I would really appreciate some input.  THANK YOU!!!!

Linda

[mrmichael67]

The 25ug/hr patch is equal to 22.5mg to 67mg of oxycodone.  That is the thing with the patches.  There is a swing in dose as everyone is different and get the drug from the patch at a different rate due to how they absorb the drug.  Not everyone is as effecient as the other.  That is about what you want to go with as oxy and hydro are relatively equipotent.  You would have been better staying with the hydro.  I don't think the patch was a good idea.

[mrmichael67]

I just wanted to say that if you were to talk to me, you would be very surprised.  I am writing hypothetically here.  I am the opposite of serious.  I am just to the point here.  Sorry.

[vettezr1]

Mike, Truce I did not mean to take one last poke really. I have to be serious all damn day and deal with this stinking pain as well and I know you do too; I just blow off some steam. It’s hard to convey a sense of humor in written words I did not mean to offend you. I don’t relate to the addicts and I have no friends that are in pain they are all dead really. I may be an engineer computer geek and work with all engineers but I am also an Extreme sports nut I race MotoX and SnoX and a bunch of other crazy stuff. I am stuck working with weeners all day so my sense of humor is off sometimes. You have an incredible knowledge of pharmacological issues I find interesting and informative.  

So at the risk of being redundant I did not mean to offend. Enough said.

  

[steve1981]

Hey, I have those nightmares too during withdrawals.  One time I was awake and dreaming at the same time.  I won't go into the details, but it scared the F--- out of me!  I know where you're coming from!!!

[Duragesic idiot]

I know a little about the patch as I am on them myself, the conversion charts I have read says that 100mcg/hr is equal to 600mg of hydro/day.  In your case that of course would be 200mg/day or 40 of the 5mg's or 20 of the norco 10mg's.  That would obviously be a step up for you.  The peak effects don't hit until 24-48hrs so your sleep may get even better!  I'm just afraid that when you go to detox, you have place a much bigger monkey on your back.  If you want the conversion tables, here are the two links you have to do two to get the hydro calculation, you will see what I mean...

http://www.globalrph.com/narcotic.cgi

http://www.globalrph.com/fent.cgi



PS both those links have ALOT of dosage info, very interesting readint to know what comperable does you are taking



Good luck,

Duragesic Idiot

[whatitistoburn]

Hi Vette,



I'm a CP patient too. Today was the first day since I got clean that I woke up with pain from head to toe. I was unable to move all day. Wasn't quite sure how I was going to handle the CP because I hadn't felt anything unbearable until today. My thoughts, were exercise, more exercise, yoga, breathing technique's, an even more natural diet, etc. Today was a total drag, but I am so determinded to remain drug free, I just had to go with it, and lay flat on my back all day. Not quite sure what I'm going to do with another day like this one, as my doc didn't want me to go off the drugs in the first place. I was put on high doses of Neurontin, but that can be pretty begnin for severe pain. Don't ever want to go into the drug hell again. I'd rather be alive with pain, than dead on drugs. Today sure put me to the test though.



How are you doing it/dealing with it? Any thoughts/suggestions would be welcome.



Hope you're having a good one.



Burn

[mystere]

It seems my pain came back with a vengence this time too!  It's not enough we have to worry about all of the mind games we play with ourselves but you're right the "pain thing" really drags you down--I had neck surgery several years ago (bone graft from hip to replace ruptured discs)--well the "grafts" didn't take and I've been told another surgery could be in my future--Advil used to pretty much keep the pain in check at least to where I could function normally--but these last two days have been rough--I am 17 days post hydro-hell--I know that things will eventually settle down and the Advil will once agin do its job--but hon I can relate to what you are going through--We have to believe that things WILL get better--I know that part of it is my poor run down body is trying to adjust being without the hydro's--I am sooo glad I cancelled an appointment with a pain mangement specialist because the way I physically feel I probably would have taken a rx if it was offered! I know tomorrow I will be damn glad that I'll be looking at day 18 out of hydro-hell--As bad as the pain is, it is nothing like the pain of withdrawals--so I'll stay the course--use this wonderful web sight as a source of inspiration--Take care Burn--We WILL feel better tomorrow!--I'll keep you in my prayers--Mystere/ AKA N.O. Lady



Anne

[mrmichael67]

I just used that converter and I came up with the 25ug/hr patch being equivalent to about 75mg of hydro a day.  Instead of going from fentanyl to hydro, go from hydro to fentanyl.  If you do that, you will come up with 0.25mg of fentanyl which is 25ug.  I use this one:  http://www.globalrph.com/narcotic.htm which lays it out easier, but the converter gives a more exact number.  Just keep in mind with the patch and people's differing capacity to absorb it, the number can vary.  The converter gives the oxycodone dose at about 50mg.  But, the number does swing widely.

[mrmichael67]

By the way, I am right there with whoever on the pain deal for the last five days.  Absolutely miserable.  I am working again, so I think that is contributing.

[whatitistoburn]

It's good to be not all alone in situations, but wish it weren't this one. I feel like I have been hit like a Mac Truck, and then beat about the head with a baseball bat. What's the deal with all of us?



Anne, thanks for being so supportive, and for reminding me tommorw will be another day clean no matter what.



Burn

[bigmistake]

I have not posted in so long -- I guess because there seems little sense in describing my daily torture so everyone can read it and relate.  No one can really benefit from what I have to say because I definitely do NOT have any answers...I am still struggling and would love to be able to say that I got thru just ONE DAY without a pain killer.  I can't sleep because I am so stressed out about the direction my life is going in.  I think about how much my personality has changed since I've become addicted -- I used to be outgoing, social and enjoy hanging out with friends and family....I don't ever want to leave the house now.  And when I do go anywhere, I am so quiet and lame that I feel embarrassed -- that's because I am so f*!ked up that if I did open my mouth nothing normal would come out!!!  My therapist wants me to go to rehab -- I keep telling her that I can do this on my own, but it's not looking good.  I just feel like going to rehab would be failing -- I feel like I should have the strength to just STOP EATING THESE PILLS.  But if I don't take any, I am not even capable of getting out of bed...in fact, if I don't take any pk, even lying in bed hurts.  This blows.

[cleo102]

Hello



I have recently gone cold turkey off of 15 to 20+ sometimes vicodan/ perc /whatever.  



Today is day 18.



I obviously cant sleep and it is 4 30 in the morning.  



I know that I will not be able to take the pills again I have built up such a tolerance.  I could not even fell a difference when I would take 5 or 6 at a time.  



Neck surgery fusion at C5-6-6-7



Im am plagued with daily lower back pain It is not constant but flairs intensely with just about any activities especially household dutys.



I was wondering what you thought about the pain patches.  There is no way I can take care of my family with out something that actually works.  



I feel like a rat at the pain clinic I dont want any more experimental needles stuck in me.  I am sick of the guinea pig

stuff.



I just really need to get on with my life and hopefully get back to work soon.  It is almost 2 years. Oh by the way I have 6 kids (5 lazy kids) the 2 yr old is the only one that can find the garbage can!!!



I cant accomplish anything. I cant live with the pain but I cant continue to abuse narcotics.  it seems I am a looser both ways.



God Bless all of you



Cleo

[bigmistake]

Quick Question....



Has anyone tried using one of those system cleansing teas during detox and if so, does it help at all?  I bought this stuff called "Cleanz Blendz" and was hoping that if I drank 2 gallons of it the first day of cold turkey that it would lessen the withdrawals.  Sounded logical to me when I first thought of it, but my brain is so f*$ked that I don't know what the hell is going on anymore!

[Linco]

Thank you to all who took your valuable time to do my homework.  Sleep is much better for me but if I'm taking more opioid medication than before, why do feel as is I'm in constant low-grade withdrawal (mostly anxiety).?? Could it be that with the Vicoden I was getting a bigger "punch" at  one time followed by a bigger withdrawal???  Don't get me wrong, getting rid of the nightmares is an an enormous step forward but now I seem to have upped my total dose which is a step backward.  Dr.B, Mr.michael, Steve, Dura and everyone else, your support has been wonderful.

Linda

[vettezr1]

Well to be honest I have not found any great answer for the pain but happy to share what I try to do for it. I do see a Pain management doc who is very well known and very good; she has no personality and thinks I am an ass for refusing pain meds but respects my decision and tries to help anyway. I am 43 and still race many types of what are called open events, I was almost banned because of my injuries and defiantly would be banned if I were to take any kinds of narcotics. So I work out watch my weight, stretch walk, aerobics, I also take something called Tizanidine and Zilolcaine patches and lots heat and ice. The Zilocaine patch is just Novocain in a patch it numbs your skin like Ben gay it really doesn’t do much the Tizanidine is some new muscle relaxant that reduces something called substance P supposedly it reduces pain but trust me not very well I think I take it more out of desperation than anything else. I drink a glass a wine once in a while but I was never a big drinker or anything else for that matter I never even liked the painkillers and did nothing but ***** the whole time I took the stuff until I just stopped.

Sleep has always been a big problem for me since the first time I broke my back 20 years ago. But to be honest I seem to be fine with very little sleep. Also adrenaline seems to have some pain relieving effects for me don’t laugh but I broke my wrist last weekend. I cut the cast off Monday for work and last night I was able to work out with it and plan on riding this weekend. I guess the point is just keep busy and distracted, my pain is most prominent at night that’s when I am in the most pain or I notice it the most. One last thing Pain Doc wanted me to try something called Ketamine nasal spray I know nothing about it but a young lady called Amber hunter gave me some info and I looked it up on the net it does seem to be some kind of Rave Club drug why the F#$% she would give me that I don’t know but I wont take it I am a little to old for rave clubs maybe she thinks I look like triple XXX but with all my hair?

[vettezr1]

Hey guys I now I throw a lot of cracks around its just the way I deal with stuff but after reading some posts I thought I might add some useful words of encouragement to addicts and pain patients alike take what you want discard all or some. Being a long time pain victim pretty much through my own fault and getting older I did finally give into the pain some years back and went the pain med route and quickly built up to a rather huge level of opiates. I won’t blame any doctor no one shoved the stuff down my throat I will say I never got high the drugs were like cancer it crept up slowly on me it put the fire out in my gut over time ever thing went gray but I never noticed I got fat lost interest in woman lost interest in going fast didn’t care if your snowmobile or jet-ski was faster than mine and trust me I didn’t even notice this was happing to me even my buddies who were half my age were saying dude your getting old. No I was full of Morphine and didn’t give a **** and then the worst was I started to have back pain again just as bad as when I stated the friggin Morphine. I came home from work laid on the couch and yes watched TV do you know there is not a Damn thing on TV ever well except SpeedVision. Well my point

I pulled my head out of my at the time my very large ass and got very sick in fact had to have a bucket very near by while I would puke lifting weights and want to die from the pain and the docs well Mike you are a big ******* ******* for doing this to your self you are in denial you are disabled. Ok so where are we. Well its been many months I am and will always be in some degree of pain from broken back 3 times broken shoulders plate in head bolted knees bolted ankle you get the point. I am working full time I also have a speed shop that I opened for my 17 son who wants to of course be like me. And I plan on racing this summer Rainy days hurt some but the good news is like I thought I am getting much better every week without the drugs. Am I making endorphins who knows but for those few months I thought I would die. Others here pointed out to me that it would take many months and to be strong I was hoping they were wrong they were not it really does get better with time do some research even the Doctor here has pointed out chronic pain has been shown to fade regardless of its source over time maybe not completely but it beats the hell out of a gray life.

[whatitistoburn]

Wow, what a story! Thanks a lot for sharing that, and for your suggestions. I was exactly the same way in feeling, thinking, emoting, on the morhphine. I bitched and complained the whole time I was on it. I've used the phrase "gray" to describe my life/emotions on morphine, time and time again. Even those I was close to, that were on morhphine also, didn't seem to relate to where I was coming from, or why I hated it so much. They, like the doctor's, just kept telling me "take the meds, you need them." That's just not the answer in every case, and it really screwed me up, and confused me. Just because most people get a good feeling/or a "get up and go" feeling from opiates doesn't mean that everyone does. I also had/have a high tolereance level, and could not understand why nobody cared as much as I did about becoming addicted. Eventually, I stopped listening to others that weren't "getting me" and didn't seem to care to, and took myslef off the morhpine, my only thoughts being that I would work up the natural endorphins to deal with the pain. And this is where I am today. I, thankfully, didn't go through too much physical pain at all during WD, really the only physical symptom being lack of sleep that I whined about here last week. But as I pretty much knew to expect at any time, the CP kicked in the last few days, and at this point am unable even to get a bit of exercise. This time 'round, I'm just going to have to ride it out until I can get the juices flowing again, to get to the gym.



Thanks again, guy. I appreciate your story.



Burn

[vettezr1]

I have no scientific evidence to back this up but one thing I did not mention was as much as I abused my body physically. I always took a ton of vitamins for 20 years now everything from C to Z in very large doses I do not take Iron however or Herb’s.

I am a little over 250 lbs but only 10 percent body fat meaning quite a bit of muscle

I only mention this because I have no proof it is the vitamins but my blood profile tests show my profile age to be that of a 20+ year old. It could also just be lucky genes.

[southernbelle]

I was on the patch, but I through up the whole time i was on it, so now i'm back on oxycontin.  hell, it's all HARD to me, any of this stuff we mess with or use.

i have a dilemma, if anyone cares.  i'd like some advice, or rather....WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

My doc, who is super, by the way...gave me a script on Friday (almost a week ago) for my oxy.  it was for 45.  i take one every 8 hours.  anyway, i sent my sister to pick up the script and go get it filled at the drug store.  When she got to my house, everything was cool, fine, normal.  I am a COUNTER, know what I mean?  I COUNT every pill.  after she left, I counted my scrip and i only had 35.  so i called the pharmacist, who of course was very rude and had FINAL words for me --- WE DID NOT MISCOUNT YOUR MEDS!  Don't call again, because everything was done right on our side!  My sis has never taken anything from me before, and I don't see where she would have a need for any of my meds.  Should I call my doc?  I just think everybody will think i'm lying.  I already asked my sister, and of course she siad  "no, why would i have done that?"

IF IT WERE YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

[vikequeen]

Hi Southern, the same thing happened to me I go to baltimore for my follow up care after I had a total hip replacement therelast year, that happened to me once I filled the rx at the Pharm right next to the hosp and then drove home some 60 miles, when I got home I counted them, I was Rx'd 100 and I only had 88 pills, I did take 2 but not 10 so I called them up at first I did not want to because I though they would think I was lying, but I did call them and I spoke to the manager and he said mistakes happen and he'd gladly mail the remainder to me, No problem, was even apologetic, but I was thinking they knew I lived out of town and maybe one of them put their hand in my cookie jar for their own personal stash. I was so surprised that they believed me. so from now on if I get large amounts ( almost never) I count them

I mean people at the pharmacy can take advantage of us cause one who would they believe? They would think someone just wants more pills. It could turn out to be a scam you know? well just my thoughts and I would report that person to better business, cause if he does not believe you in a sense he is calling you a liar and slandering you. You try whatever way you can to get back your pills, unless its your sister then you got a bigger prob on your hands take care darlin Badd

[southernbelle]

thanks, bad.  i appreciate your story.  I still am undecided as to what to do.  I even asked my sis and she said no, why would i do that?  the pharmacisit i spoke to (i only called them once) said they triple count everything, especially controlled substances like yours). i don't know what to do or who to believe.  all i really know is that means i'll be three days without before i can get my new scrip filled.  should i call my doctor and explain?  or will it make him suspicious?  thanks again, badd.  love to all of you, love to everybody.

[vettezr1]

Hey just a thought, I don't count pills I really never cared.

But that did happen to me once but it turned out it was my insurance company they only paid for a certain amount so the pharmacy automatically deducted the amount themselves. The script said 100 but they actually only gave me 85 I was surprised.

[mrmichael67]

Please stick around if you can.  I honestly didn't know what person you were talking about until someone wrote who it is. I certainly agree with you about the clique thing.  I just thought I should add my two cents.  And, believe me, I know what it is like to want to take a hiatus from this place.  From something I read, I thought you might be taking a leave of absence and I just wanted to write something.

[Motz]

Sorry to hone in on a thread, but (I am on 4,000 miles away on business and also away from my doctor, etc) I am, though, a US citizen, and do not have these answers.



I am currently in the UK, and I am working and traveling (sp?) with a US addict, a recovering two year addict, who has started to buy OTC (over the counter) meds with codeine in them, here in the UK. (almost 50 to a pack!)



He is gobbling them like Tic-Tac candies. There doesn't seem to be a script required, or even a dirty look involved, from the salesmen. (in the "drugstore") (maybe we should call these places 'drugSORES')



I am hoping someone can give me some pointers on how to encourage him, my co-worker and friend, to STOP! He quit a large narcotic habit two years ago, and I fear this will whet his appetite for those drugs again. Will it? Codeine didn't do amything for me years ago, but I am not he. I did, though,  (back then) appreciate his original DOC: Percocets/Percodans. (Oxycodone)



We are here in the UK for a week only, and then we must go to to France, where I am uncertain if the OTC Codeine is legal. (Is it? I hope not.) So my questions are threefold:

1. How can I help him stop?

2. Is this going to damage or destroy his two year hiatus frpm Percodans?  

3. Can he take that OTC UK Codeine across the border(s)? I HOPE NOT!!



I love him, but he is also an intregal part of what we hope to build into a successful enterprise. We need him, and we need him happy and whole.



Pardon me again for interrupting. I seldom post and had my reasons for not asking this question elsewhere. Any input, even if ony a guess, would be appreciated.



Nite,

Otz

[vettezr1]

Well, since I am bored I will take a stab at trying to help.

You call your friend a recovered addict? Is he a recovered pain patient who abused his meds? Or just someone who likes to take pain pills I ask because in my opinion there is a big difference. Anyway I travel quite a bit as well I manage a security IT department I get stuck going to Japan and Europe a lot and yes you can bring your meds back and fourth no one ever really gave a ****. Sitting on a plane and configuring Routers and Firewalls all day until you want to poke out your eyes with a pencil can make you want to take pills to begin with but if the guy is hurting it can be even worse, if you (love him) kind of freaks me out to say that about a guy but whatever, then I take it you guys are pretty good friends so talk to him maybe he is just in some pain and trying to deal with it. I don’t like to be confronted unless someone has a solution to a problem so be prepared to offer one like if he says dude my back is killing me or I can’t sleep then say hey lets hit the hotel gym or lets hit the pool or walk around the block to chill out for a while.

Good luck.  

[rodewc]

Mr. M,



Thx. Hope you choose to e-mail me.



As always, rwc~



***@****

[lisabet]

Hey Thomas - where you be????  I miss ya, you flat-assed sexy thang, you.  I'm on the brink of relaspe - I need your "soothing" words and reassurance. TALK to me, baby!!!!!  Love ya bunches, Lisabet

[momonhydros]

ive noticed youve been missing too! whats up with that lol

[AmberHunter]

you cannot really do anything for your friend. but you can be honest with him about how you percieve what is going down and your concern for him... after you do that you need to leave it alone. i mean, don't harp on recovery and the pills and all b/c it will not do a thing but alienate him... be there for him and be supportivebut be realistic about how much control you have over his using... good luck though!! tough predicament to be in.



i can't hardly remember the rest of the posts now! lol, short-term memory sucks as usual! i know that i heard alot of desperation though, and lisabet, don't you dare girl!!



the little informal board has finally gotten a few folks on it hanging out... i feel funny posting this again but email me at ***@**** if you are interested in a very simple forum for addicts run by addicts... meaning you all! this is not meant to replace this board, just a nice addition for some i hope!



my son went to the dentist yesterday and he got pain meds b/c he had a tooth pulled and i had a good half hour of mental masturbation over those pills... he had told me if i paid for them he would split them with me but we didn't do that just by the grace of my god/dess i guess! or maybe b/c i am accepting that i am responsible for my recovery and looking at this "disease" as a maladaptive behavior has helped me in understanding myself and my drug problems ihave had my entire life... and accepting that as imperfect as i may be at least i am making a damn good try at beating it again!



ok, that's it for me! thanks to anyone who actually read this whole post! sorry it was so long!



peace,



amber

[AmberHunter]

i remember now! the drugstore got you for some of your pills...

well, they are going to declare themselves honest and they can scream at the top of their lungs that they recount pills three times... the only way that i know of to rememdy this and i don't know how successful it will be is to talk to the manager (you already did that, good) if it is a chain pharmacy report the incident to the folks there and keep going until you have complained about this situation to everyone you can... now, if someone there did take the pills or the pharmacy just doesn't want this to get blown up to all who will listen they might do something about it. that is really the only thing i can think of to do... (i worked at a school of pharmacy for 8 years) if it is an independant pharmacy that might be a little trickier but report it everywhere you can...



and i would make an appt. with your doc so you can talk eye to eye... if you have not exihited drug seeking behavior he should believe you...



but don't totally disregard the fact that it was your sister that did pick them up... she says she is innocent but i bet there are a few of us here that can attest to the fact that we had our familiers fooled for years! we are very, very good actors and liars and when pills come up missing like that i think you have to suspect everybody that had the opportunity to steal them...



on the other hand, if it is not worth all the time and effort to do all of the above then by all means leave it the hell alone!!! i hope your doctor feels he knows you well enough to believe you, just remember that he has heard this before and will probably be suspicious...



a n y h o w - boy, i am long winded today! i better quit all this chattiness and go do some work here! bills to pay etc...



peace out ya'll,



amber

[Thomas03]

Hey you lascivious lovely, thanks for thinking of me. I've had the hammer (not that hammer) down on the job hunt. Some opportunities in my profession have opened up since the conclusion of the war and I'm going all out to grab one of them. Hope you're well.



Thomas

[Thomas03]

Well, mom, I've been getting your Mother's Day present ready. You can imagine what that would be!



Thomas

[Thomas03]

I called my local pharmacist and said, "Common man, I haven't had any Vics in 4 months. How hard could it be to just "spill" some Vics into a bottle and accidentally sell it to me? I mean, have some compassion!"



He gave me an 800 number and suggested I tell them the same thing. I figured, what a humanitarian ... this must be the number to some really liberal pharmacy. "Drug Enforcement Administration, how may I direct your call?"



There's just no mercy anywhere anymore ...



Thomas

[dancinginthedark]

Hey Sunshine,



Thomas has a flat ass?  Bummer...pun intended.



Now, doncha go relapsing, doll!  You've been doing great.  The temptation & cravings are normal, to be expected, etc.  You know that!!  Having had a few myself, I thought I was up to rerererererelapse, or so.  If you're still on the 1st go round, keep it simple, stupid (KISS) as the saying goes!



You can do this & you know it!  Think about how discouraged you'll feel if you give into the temptation.  That was the worst part for me.  The feeling that I just couldn't quit again, that I was weak, a loser, blah blah.  You know the drill!



As the Brits say.  Keep yer ****** up!



Best,



Dancin'

[lisabet]

Hey Thomas - thanks for checking in; hope you realize the "relaspe" statement was just a ploy to get your attention....smile.  I'm actually doing pretty good; just "jonesing" a little cause you haven't been posting much lately...heh-heh.  Lots of luck on the job hunt..."hammer" on, my sweet boy. Love and more love to ya, Lisabet

[lisabet]

Hey gals...I'm not really at the point of relaspe - I was just teasing with Thomas; I've actually been doing pretty well lately. Sincere apoligies if I caused you concern. Hope you both (and all) have a great weekend. Love, Lisabet

[momonhydros]

how sweet of you to get me a mothers day present but i dont think im old enough to be your mother. anyways see how all we girls missed you, you must be a very special person because ive definitly taking a liking to you.  glad to read your posts again!love ya nancy

[Wardman]

I always count all of my pills in front of the pharmacist.  I have been shorted many times, so I had to start to do this.  I also have been given overages too, which is always a nice bonus.  I do not trust the pharmacist. We had one in my town ho got addicted to percocets and was stealing and forging scripts left and right.  He did get his lisence reinstated believe it or not.  After 5 years of him working again, I got a prescription for vicodin.  I didn;t cont it there but woudl you belive i was short 4 and 2 pills were broken.  I called him back and explained and he IMMEDIALTELY told me to come up and get my 4 etxra pills!  He said he had probably miscounted and was as nice as could be.  I bet you he is up to his tricks!

[Zar]

Hello GGG,

I just wanted to try to post here,

maybe help out when I can--

Hey G,,,It's me Gale/Kit....

Small world eh,,,

Big Kiss----Gale

[poptart]

Hi Gale! Its me, Ruthi. Small world eh? (gasp! I'm starting to sound like a canadian now!!!)



Anyway, I usually post over on the notorious DA.COM! I am a 10 year user/abuser/lover/hater of opiates..es Vikes being my DOC. I've been lurking here a loooooonnng time and just found the courage to post. I hope nobody passes juDgement on Gale and I for being from DA. After all, we are all in the same boat..I have alot to offer if given the chance..



Take care everyone.

Ruthi

[mrchris]

There seems to be some confusion about the patch.  The 2.5mg patch is not 25mg/h, it is 25 ug/h  25mg/h of Fentynal would probably kill just about anyone.  25 ug/h is micro grams per hour, the chart someone was referring to at 600mg hydro was probably comparing mg instead of ug.  I microgram i 1/1000000 (one millionth of a gram), a milligram is 1 thousandth of a gram



Chris

[dancinginthedark]

Apart from you wresting away from me a perfectly grand handle ...welcome!!!  



I'm not certain there was any true animosity here twd DA folk.  After all, I walk on both sides of that street myself.



Caveat:  1 precious person here who has never posted there thinks you are heathens.  Oh, that means me too!



I say, let's ignore her!!!!  You know who she is, as do I & many many other ppl.



I'm really glad to see you here.



All the best,



Judy a.k.a., Dancin'

[lisabet]

hey gals...although I don't post, I read the DA board often, and glad to see you drifted over here to post.



zar/aren't you the one with the new baby (colt?)....congrats! You seem like a really nice person.



poptart (I LOVE poptarts!)...smile  Hi Ruthie, welcome. I like your jokes and comments you post...especially liked the one you posted yesterday about mothers  (Amen to that!)  :)



Judes - you've been posting here awhile, and I always enjoyed your posts.  I feel your comments are directed at rodewc, and I wish you two could could reconcile your differences.  I love rodewc, also!!!



I'm so glad to see all of you posting.  Am I correct in thinking that you all are on the "F" thread?  From time to time, there is people who are addicted to this med that posts here, and could certainly use your advice; actually, there was someone a few days ago asking about an addiction to this drug, and I considered going on the DA board to ask you guys to help, but I was afraid how I would be received, being an outsider and all.  



So again, welcome!  When all is said and done, Ruthie is right on the money - we are ALL in the same boat, no matter what forums we frequent.  We can all use all the life experiences and information we can get from each other.  



Love/Peace, Lisabet    

[poptart]

WOW you guys really are nice!!! ;)



Lizbeth- Please dont be afraid! DA.com may seem a little intimidating and cliqish(sp?) but it really is a great board! Post right now and I promise you'll be welcomed with opened arms! Just as you've welcomed Gale and I!! (((squish)))



Judy dahling-did you get my email(S) ;)



And hi there Gman! YES I SEE YOU!! My pharmasist tryed pulling that **** with me once..ONCE! LOL



Heres to new friendships!

~Ruthi

[lisabet]

To new friendships, Ruthie...we all need each other, and although us addicts can be so-so sensitive, we can learn so much from each other.  I honestly don't know where I'd be right now without the encouragement and honesty from people on this forum.  I came here so f***** up and hopeless, and found so much love and encouragement here on this board from others, I can't even begin to explain what it meant to me, and what it's done to help me. Although I have love from friends and family, they have NO idea what I'm going through.  Only people who's been there--done that--really know.  It's helped me so much more than anyone here could ever know.  I read the DA forum, and feel the same kind of love there.  Acceptance and caring from others that have been in the same situation is so-so healing. We all need that "human touch", ya know?  I wish you love and peace, Lisabet  (ps: your user-id is making me hungry...think I'm gonna have a Smores pop-tart before I go to bed...will think of you while I'm eating it....)...smile.

[theGolden1]

Hi Belle! So glad to see you again. I would suspect the pharmacy before my sister. Really. They have skimmed one, two or more pills from me. Think about it. All they have to do is short someone 2 and do it on ten people and they have a stash. It's  tough out there. I have been going to to CVS pharmacy and they do it all the time ... take care and I hope you work it out. I would try to make it on the pills you have and next time you fill the script, count them before you leave the drugstore. Geesh .... what a world!