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Help with Tramadol withdrawal

Hi,

I have been taking tramadol for 7 months now.  I started on 8x50mg a day, for a L5/S1 herniated disc.   i have recently had a nerve blocking injection into the nerve and the pain is much much more manageable.  

I am having problems getting off the tramadol though.   I have got myself down to 1 or 2x 50mg tablets a day now but I just cant do the last bit.  

I have tried several times to stop taking that 1 tablet and I get the most awful feelings in my body, like every muscle is being shocked, or tingling/burning and like i just want to stretch them all the time.  I am getting a lot of cramps and cant sleep.   I am also having tremendous mood swings have a very short temper.

Does anyone know a way of getting off that last tablet?  its really wrecking my head !
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Hey  
Ive been taking Zydol SR 200mg daily for a year now.  I began taking it after an oilfield injury that doesnt seem to be getting any better.  The problem I have now is I find myself taking 7 to 8 of these pills a day (1400mg) just to have the same effects.  Ive tried to go cold turkey off the Zydol and deal with it, but I end up getting really sick.  I guess Im just concerned that I even got to this point.  Im in my twenties and have a great job over seas... really dont know what or where to go for help.  Im also wondering how this is impacting my organs if at all?  The Doctors told me that Tramadol isnt addictive, but I find it much more than Vicodin ect....  any suggestions would be helpful!  Thanks
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Hi Perch,

             Thanks heaps for your reply.  Am I on the right page yet?  I first posted yesterday on Part 35 or 36, I think and then when I saw no further posts there this morning I did a bit of a search and found this page (no idea what part it is 37? 38? but I'm here - if it's not the right one could you please give me the link tks)

             I'm also a Melbourne girl.  I have just sold my 4br house in Coburg and done the downsize to a 2br little old apartment in an art deco block in St Kilda Rd.  I'm single and did most of it myself so it has been a living nightmare.  I ran a 2-day garage sale on no sleep and lots of that horrible heaviness and pain.  I've had some help from friends and mum and dad but it has still knocked me to bits.  If only I had known that by taking as little tramal as possible I was actually making things worse.  Because of the years of taking a million anti-depressants and pain killers I was trying to be kind to my kidneys and liver and not take the tramadol unless I really needed it.  I took it during the day when I had to achieve things then went without later.  So, I was in withdrawal when I woke up every morning.  
I got out of the navy 17 years ago after 14yrs in.  The first 12 were great but then it got a bit ugly.  I'm still working thru stuff there but I have come ahead in leaps and bounds in the last year or so.  So, it is horrible now that my depression and anxiety are at their best to now be going through this horrible total evil exhaustion.  I know it's going to get worse too once I really cut down.  Today I'm taking them evry 5hrs and will go down to 6hrly 2moro.  If it starts to get too icky tapering I might just go C/T and get it over with.  So, far the worst is the RLS and the shoulder joints send me insane at night. The neurosurgeon who put me onto Tramadol actually wrote an abusive letter to the neuro who put me onto Norspan patches.  I have since sacked them both :-)

I haven't head of avanza but I felt much the same way on Endep.  I was on that for 16 years after leaving the navy.  It never caused me any problems that I know of but I decided that I would have a look at changing to something more 'up-to-date' after a psych told me that it was not prescribed much anymore due to side effects.  I took 50mg at night and about 3hrs later I'd go to bed, start reading my book and fall asleep by about the 5th page - Bliss.  I slept between 7 and 9 hours every night and woke refreshed every morning.  I didn't know how good I had it.  I'm now on Fluvoxamine instead and need to take Olanzapine to sleep.  If anything I put on weight and found it impossible to lose weight on Endep but that was the only problem with it and it was really only 5-6kg.  

Thanks heaps for your reply and your story.  This page is just a life saver and I am so glad I found it now while I'm cutting down and will at least have it to turn to when the going gets rough over the next few weeks.  I can't believe how many people there are out there with the same problem but the rotten thing is is that there are probably a whole heap more who have not been lucky enough to 'accidentally' find this forum.

Regs
SheLiz (Sheena)

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Hi SheLiz,

You've posted on a post from last month - this board moves pretty quickly so if you don't get much response copy and paste your post and make a new post on the board for a better response.

I'm glad you found this fourum - I felt complelled to write to you as I too am a fellow aussie!!!  I live in the inner Melbourne suburbs (hawthorn). I have also been through tramadol hell also unfortunately. I finally got free last year of the tramal- I did a C/T withdrawal - had acute w/d symptoms for about a week then finally free of them and got my life back better than ever! I am so so much happier off them!

When I first discovered them - I was nursing, I had a migraine and my nurse until manager gave me some tramadol (because she really needed me to come in and do my morning shift next day, no she definetely wasn't supposed to do this but she did and I stupidly took it). Anyway, at the time I was on ciprimil - an SSRI - tramadol and SSRIs often enhance the euphoric affect of tramadol, so unfortunately I felt very pleasant after taking it - not a care in the wold, floating. I do have an addictive personality so I started sneaking it from the drug cuboard (until the schedule of it went up then that got harder, and I thank god to this day I never took tramadol intended for a patient, but who knows if it went on long enough) and I doctor shopped something shocking for it. I'm embarrsessed to say that I got up to around 20 pills a day - for a long time. Soon I wasn't even feeling good from them - i just needed them to function and not be in w/d. It affected every area of my life negatively  - my relationship with my partner, family, friendships, my work, EVERYTHING. I had a few grand mal seizures from taking too much at once - so so terrifying. I hit my rock bottom and went to my family GP and came clean about the doctor shopping, how many I was taking etc.
We decided C/T was the way to go for me - and after reading this board, I'm glad I did that - tapering you'll still get some w/d symptoms and I'd rather have 5 days of acute than weeks of prolonged symptoms. But thats IMOO, each to their own.

Good on you for getting off the tram - it's funny I went on zyprexa for a while too! Now - I am on avanza which is an anti depressant with some anti anxiety properties - and with the side affect of sleepiness which I love (and this is why my doc prescribed to me) - I have NEVER been a good sleeper - and I have NEVER slept so well since being on them! Its not like a sleeping tablet drugged feeling, but they just make you pleasently feel like you are ready for bed, and then you do sleep welll, with no hangover feeling in the morning. You could ask your doc about them if that sounds good for you.

Anyways, just thought I'd say hello seeing as though were in the same area and both batteled tramadol! There is another girl on hear (paying_it_forward) who is a melbourne girl too, but her problem was with nurofen +)  Do you still work in the military? Just wondering as an ex of mine does. I hope your depression and PTSD are under control. Depression is something I need to stay on top of too.

Good to see you on here!

Perch (Sarah)
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I'm an Aussie and I've just found this site.  I am writing this with tears streaming down my face and, after reading as many posts as possible in one sitting, I'm sure I'm not the first. What a relief it is!!!   I have had to take far too many different medications over the years for Anxiety, Depression and PTSD resulting from my military service.  I've also been on many different medications for leg and back pain (Lumbar, thoracic and cervical) due to injuries from a motor bike accident in 1981.  I am at a point where I want to get rid of everything and go back to just being 'me'.
  
I was so relieved to finally find this journal and read that all the discomfort I am going through at the moment is mainly due to Tramal.  I have taken tramal for about a year now and have tried to take it as little as possible.  I thought I was doing the right thing by not taking tramal after about 6-8pm as I thought I could get by without it over night (at that stage I was taking Endep - Amitryptyline which helped me sleep through anything) and thought that the less I took the better.  My various GPs were happy that I was taking it as little as possible but even when I went to them with diarrhea nausea, restless legs and arms, night sweats, extreme exhaustion and a horrible heaviness, none of them mentioned that it could be tramal withdrawal.  I would often improve during the day after taking tramal in the morning and would be at my best later in the day.  I finally worked it out myself (no surprise to most of you, I'm sure).  The doctors put my nausea and diarrhea down to a gastric ulcer and told me to cut down on my coffee and alcohol - I drink 1-2 coffees a day and no more than 8-12 glasses of wine a week - not really enought to cause an ulcer.  I didn't take the tabs they gave me for the ulcer but started taking tramal at regular intervals and my 'ulcer' has been cured miraculously.

Every now and then over the past few months I have googled "tramal withdrawal" as I had a suspicion that what I was feeling when I didn't take it was more than exhaustion from pain and was actually tramal withdrawal.  I have taken tramal in the past and don't remember having any problems coming off it but I was on Norspan patches at the time which would've helped with that.  I started taking tramal again when I went off the patches so now I'm definitely feeling the withdrawal.  

Anyway, I'm now taking tramal at regular intervals during the day and the plan is to make the gaps longer and get off it asap.  I'm down to one 50mg every 5 hours at the moment and hope to extend that to one every 6hrs then 7hrs etc.  I'm not sure if this or cold turkey is the best way to do it but I'm happy to do it this way.

About 4 months ago, after 16 years on Endep (amitriptyline) I changed from that to fluvoxamine )another nightmare entirely).  I haven't slept since :-(  This was an attempt by me to change to a lesser drug but it has back fired and now I've been put on Seroquel (quetiapine) to help me sleep (it has many other uses including treating the symptoms of schizophrenia and bipolar disorder but I was just using it in a low dose to help me sleep).  I gave that up as I thought it was ausing the horrible heaviness and depression I felt each morning (might not have been the cause??)  Now they have put me on to Olanzapine (trade names Zyprexa, Zalasta, Zolafren, Olzapin, Oferta, Zypadhera - I'm mentioning all of them as they are propbably called something different in other countries) to help me sleep.  I avoided it at first thinking it would just be like Seroquel but gave up after about 2 weeks averaging 2-5hrs sleep a night.  I just had a 12 hour sleep last night so have had to grab a tramal as soon as I woke up.

Enough rambling, I'm just happy to find this journal and wish everyone here all the best with getting rid of tramal and it's horrible effects.  Now, when I'm having a sleepless night I can at least come out here and read some posts.  I will be looking for some nice natural withdrawal treatments soon so thank you all for your posts.  

My all of our arms and legs be at peace

PS - One thing that kinda helps sometimes is talking books.  I have started to borrow books on CD from the library and some nights when I can't sleep I listen to them.  Even if I don't following the story it is just nice having someone read to you and can help a bit.  I've usually got heat packs on various bits as well.  It can be a bit of a nice distraction at times.

SheLiz
xox

SheLiz :-)
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Grrr cant sleep.  This is head wrecking !

Kalms are just a herbal remedy to help you sleep.  I used to take them years ago when I was trying to get off another drug
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I don't know what Kalms is???  I have heard of success with Valerian, but I didn't take it very long.  B12 will improve energy especially when sleep is hard to come by!!!
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Yes I got Valerian, B12, Magnesium and Kalms
They dont seem to have hylands restful legs here (Ireland)  

Im hopefully gonna have a big old sleep.  Im knackered now.  
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Ahhh......great!!!  So proud of you!  I was afraid you meant some kind of ......well, whatever, drugs or something!!!  Health food store stuff is good! : )  Did you get mag/cal/zinc or hylands or valerian root or some stuff like that?  Hylands restful legs and leg cramps are WONDERFUL for the cramps and RLS.
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i should have been more specific!  I didnt mean more tramadol, I gave them to my husband to hide.  I went to the health shop and have got myself a bunch of things to help me sleep and to help with the legs that want to run marathons every night.

I got some pretty horrible news at the hospital today that I need more surgery but they are gonna wait till Jan & I have got through today with no trams so I think Im gonna be good
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Oh please don't do that!  It will only put your return to normal off longer.  Each time we go through it then the Wds are worse.  I'm sorry you are miserable. :(
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yeh last night was even worse :(

Im not going through it again, Im going to get something today.  
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I hope you slept well or at least a little, I took my last tram on sunday have slept about 8 hours total since. It will get better just hang in there.
Im gonna try some nighttime cold medicine tonight hope it works!

Stay positive
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Im in Ireland i dont think we have nyquil here.  I was pretty close to taking valium last night but yeh I know thats not a good plan !

I will deffo take a hot bath before bed, i dont have epsom salts but do have salt baths every day for recent surgery.  I am feeling very much like curling up in bed with a book, hope I sleep :)
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Hi sweetie!  I'm so proud of you for getting this far.  My journey with tram ended in March with 15 pills a day!  You will be better in a couple of days.  Do you have any Nyquil?  That can help with sleep for a couple of days.  The lack of sleep and energy can be rough.  Try some vitamin B12 for energy, and read the amino acid protocol in the health pages.  It has good info!

Hot baths in epsom salts are priceless too.  Take one before bed tonight!!! : )
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Hi,

Just updating really,  I am still off the Tramadol, my last one was at 11:00am yesterday.  Last night was pretty rough & I was very emotional this morning, lots of paranoia etc.   Tonight though I think its starting to get better, if only because i am starting to feel really tired/drained & the tension seems to be easing a bit.  

I am hoping I get some decent sleep tonight that doesnt include waking up sounding like the incredible hulk!

thanks for your help last night.  It helped me decide to just stop taking them.
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ooh I should probably have said that before the surgery I was on 1 or 2 a day for about a month, just trying to get off them and now im back at that same point again

and thanks ladylisa im off to have a good read of that forum
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Hi,  

Ballgame
I was at 8 pills a day about a month ago.  But 2 wks ago i had surgery, I have had a couple of surgical procedures this year to remove a cancerous lesion, which is unrelated but I used the trams to get me over the pain, also the surgery causes problems with my back becase of the position they put me in.  After the surgery i was back up to 4 a day for the first week.  Last week I went from 4 down to 1 or 2 a day.  Maybe this was too quickly as I have felt pretty rough all week.  I just know that the pain isnt bad enough to be taking tramadol and I want to be off them.

Evie
I am also trying to extend the time between pills in the hope that this will work.  I will look up Emily thanks :)
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Here is a current link to EmilyPost's journal on Tramadol.  It helped me immensely when I got off of them a couple of months ago.  There are a lot of people just like you stuggling with this medication.  I took it for over 5 yrs. for Rhuematiod Arthritis and Fibromyalsia and I would NEVER recommend it to anyone, especially for long term pain management.  Blessings, Lisa
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If you are down to 1 pill a day you should be fine.  Or I'd you say 2 pills.  
I've been blocked in the back too. L3,4, 5. I know the pain.

How long from when you were at 8 pills x day to now? Maybe you tapered too fast?
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I know exactly where you're at.  I'm at the same point as you are, stuck at taking 1-2 a day for the last 4 months.  I break my pills up into halves and quarters and lately I've been focusing on extending the time between doses a little bit every day.  It seems to be helping.  I don't have time to type much right now but look up this MedHelp member:  EmilyPost.  Her journal entries are devoted to people trying to get of of Tramadol.  Good luck!
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Oh awesome thank you I will try to get hold of some.  What do you mean by rx?
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Hi.  If you can get some hydroxizine, it helps a lot with the rls, the having to stretch all the time, as well as that just feeling like crap. It is unfortunately rx only, but easy to get. It is used for itching and to take the edge off. It was given to me after a bad reaction to steroid injections in the spine. Little did I know it would help save my life. It is not addictive. Good luck.
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I will do thank you :)

Im not sure if anyone can give specifics but right now just knowing someone knows where Im at would be great !
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