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Heroin Withdrawals and OC
I have had 1-3 point a day heroin smoking habit for about 4 months now. Already in this time I have seen how awful this drug is. It was great at first, when I could go to a party or hang out with some friends and be way more social than usual, until I tried to quit for the first time-- As all of you know, heroin withdrawal is hell, even at my meager habit. I relapsed after my first time, used for another month, and am now absolutely fed up with the lying. None of the people I am close to even know I use--I was convinced to try it by a friend of a friend who I only see to buy from, and somehow I've managed to keep it a secret this whole time. I can't believe I've gotten to this stage. I constantly think back to the first time I used, when my only thought was "this is how god wanted man to feel," and then I think about how I no longer have any money or integrity (though my friends and family don't know the extend of the latter).
Even as I'm feeling like total ****, I am lucky to say I have no desire to use more at the moment (other than the short-sighted knowledge of knowing it will end it immediately, the thought of which I refuse to entertain). I guess as far as addicts go I am in an ok situation: my friends do not use, so there is a very small chance of me relapsing unless it is of my own accord, and the people I buy from are not in my life unless I choose for them to be.
I guess it just makes me feel better knowing that there are so many other people out there who have gone through the same self-loathing and overall shitstorm I am currently going through. My real question is this: the aforementioned friend of a friend suggested I smoke 15-30mgs of OC daily to make the withdrawals easier. I did it this morning, on day 2, and then I have read that that is a horrible thing to do, and then I read that it is good... and so on and so forth. There doesn't seem to be any real consensus, and anecdotal evidence is scarce at best regarding OC use to take the edge off heroin withdrawals. Did I bring myself back to day 1 by smoking this morning?
I know the worst has yet to come at this point, which is an awful, terrible thought, but I am ready to get through this and be done with this horrible drug and be myself again. My 6 roommates think I have the flu and are avoiding me like the plague at the moment (another lie I wish I could purge my life of).
Thanks for the help and support in advance.
Even as I'm feeling like total ****, I am lucky to say I have no desire to use more at the moment (other than the short-sighted knowledge of knowing it will end it immediately, the thought of which I refuse to entertain). I guess as far as addicts go I am in an ok situation: my friends do not use, so there is a very small chance of me relapsing unless it is of my own accord, and the people I buy from are not in my life unless I choose for them to be.
I guess it just makes me feel better knowing that there are so many other people out there who have gone through the same self-loathing and overall shitstorm I am currently going through. My real question is this: the aforementioned friend of a friend suggested I smoke 15-30mgs of OC daily to make the withdrawals easier. I did it this morning, on day 2, and then I have read that that is a horrible thing to do, and then I read that it is good... and so on and so forth. There doesn't seem to be any real consensus, and anecdotal evidence is scarce at best regarding OC use to take the edge off heroin withdrawals. Did I bring myself back to day 1 by smoking this morning?
I know the worst has yet to come at this point, which is an awful, terrible thought, but I am ready to get through this and be done with this horrible drug and be myself again. My 6 roommates think I have the flu and are avoiding me like the plague at the moment (another lie I wish I could purge my life of).
Thanks for the help and support in advance.
What great news! It seems you are over that first big hump, the appetite coming back is a great sign, enjoying food and eating well bring back the energy faster. Treat yourself to a favourite food with that money saved - that is what i have done each detox, once my gastro stuff settles down - I get myself whatever I feel like to eat, because the money saved in a week by not buying stuff more than covers even the fanciest groceries.
Using dreams are common and in sometimes one ends up using in them and other times saying no. Interestingly for me, once the first dreams from detox days settled down and i had got into a program of counselling and meetings and was really working at staying clean, I did not use in my using dreams, and always woke up glad to be clean in real life. But then after about six years when codeine became an issue, I started to use in my dreams - to say yes to those dream dealers, to get pinned eyes, to plot in the dream how to cover up the fact that I had busted. And it was both about H and codeine pills - never any other substance. The brains workings are weird and wonderful.
Re your liver - I am not a doctor, individual livers are all very different, plus it depends what if any other drugs, say alcohol, you have taken and in what quantities and for how long - but GENERALLY speaking - livers are pretty da mn resilient organs, H is pretty ok on the liver, much more kind than alcohol or apetominophen (sp?) - plus you were at it for a short time. Also livers regenerate and recover (unless they are imparied by a virus such as hep, but even then there is a lot of room for improvement). You were not shooting up so you are not likely to have caught hep b or c from sharing needles - that can be rough on the liver.
I very much appreciate your words of encouragement re my detox. Off to work now, talk later...
Using dreams are common and in sometimes one ends up using in them and other times saying no. Interestingly for me, once the first dreams from detox days settled down and i had got into a program of counselling and meetings and was really working at staying clean, I did not use in my using dreams, and always woke up glad to be clean in real life. But then after about six years when codeine became an issue, I started to use in my dreams - to say yes to those dream dealers, to get pinned eyes, to plot in the dream how to cover up the fact that I had busted. And it was both about H and codeine pills - never any other substance. The brains workings are weird and wonderful.
Re your liver - I am not a doctor, individual livers are all very different, plus it depends what if any other drugs, say alcohol, you have taken and in what quantities and for how long - but GENERALLY speaking - livers are pretty da mn resilient organs, H is pretty ok on the liver, much more kind than alcohol or apetominophen (sp?) - plus you were at it for a short time. Also livers regenerate and recover (unless they are imparied by a virus such as hep, but even then there is a lot of room for improvement). You were not shooting up so you are not likely to have caught hep b or c from sharing needles - that can be rough on the liver.
I very much appreciate your words of encouragement re my detox. Off to work now, talk later...
Who likes 'em normal? It's boring! Haha. I woke up this morning and I am feeling significantly better. I didn't quite sleep the whole night, but I got enough to function. My blood pressure feels like it's half as high as it was about 12 hours ago, and the restlessness is extremely minimal, though still present. And I'm actually looking forward to eating breakfast for the first time in a week! As I posted in another thread, it seems my reward system in my brain is beginning to work again after months in the constant on position. I'm also going grovery shopping today, and it feels great knowing that I'm going to be able to buy the more expensive food that I couldn't afford when half my income went to drugs.
I had dreams all night where my dealer was trying to sell me methadone. In the dream I took it, unfortunately, and felt the rush. But I'm still not gonna relapse.
I wish you the best of luck with your codeine detox. I will be on these boards if you want to talk about it, and maybe I can return the favor. Opiates are a damn dirty beast, but if you did it five years ago after more than 10 years of methadone and heroin, codeine should at least be a little easier physically, right?
Question: Does anyone know what the effects of smoking heroin are on liver function, and how much damage I've done in just a few months of use?
I had dreams all night where my dealer was trying to sell me methadone. In the dream I took it, unfortunately, and felt the rush. But I'm still not gonna relapse.
I wish you the best of luck with your codeine detox. I will be on these boards if you want to talk about it, and maybe I can return the favor. Opiates are a damn dirty beast, but if you did it five years ago after more than 10 years of methadone and heroin, codeine should at least be a little easier physically, right?
Question: Does anyone know what the effects of smoking heroin are on liver function, and how much damage I've done in just a few months of use?
I have always like the weird ones myself ;-) always found them far more interesting - the good thing is that in the old days it used to be weird and dysfunctional, while now it is weird as in not conventional, not one dimensional, quirky, interesting, varied.
It seems that like you stated in a previous post, this is burning to get out - ie to be said out loud to another human being, and its natural enough that your ex is the one it came out to. Would you still be willing to tell your childhood friend? It sounds like your ex is in a fragile place herself at the moment and vulnerable to whatever will make her feel better - perhaps from a support point of view your mate might be a better option? Me just thinking out loud here...
I find that my friends who know about my history are in two groups - some are ex addicts, and some are "normal" non addicts who have no concept of being addicted to anything. The non addicts are wonderful people but they do not get and generally cannot relate to being addicted - my parents among them, who still belive it is just a choice and a matter of discipline. While they are partially right, they cannot understand that insane compulsion that drives all reason out of one's head and leads to all the self destructive self centred behaviours that mark addiction. The ex addicts (most of whom i know through NA) get that bit, they really understand - and I found their support invaluable in getting and staying clean.
If ever you feel tempted or (god forbid) get in trouble with substances again, keep the existence of Narcotics Anonymous at the back of your mind. (They mention god, which some ppl are funny with, but it is very much a non denominatonal non religious program - just btw).
I am just rambling here - i have a break between two jobs starting this weekend and going for a week - a wonderful opportunity to get off the codeine. So I will be trying as of saturday. You have done the first hard yards of physical withdrawal, terrific for you! I will let you know how I go with my detox - the older one is, the tougher it seems to be - and i am not sure if that is only a physical age thing, or if it is also a psychic weariness at being on this merry go round for so long.
And it is a pleasure to be talking with you - I am so glad it has been of some benefit to you. I am rooting for you most sincerely - I hope you make it so much.
It seems that like you stated in a previous post, this is burning to get out - ie to be said out loud to another human being, and its natural enough that your ex is the one it came out to. Would you still be willing to tell your childhood friend? It sounds like your ex is in a fragile place herself at the moment and vulnerable to whatever will make her feel better - perhaps from a support point of view your mate might be a better option? Me just thinking out loud here...
I find that my friends who know about my history are in two groups - some are ex addicts, and some are "normal" non addicts who have no concept of being addicted to anything. The non addicts are wonderful people but they do not get and generally cannot relate to being addicted - my parents among them, who still belive it is just a choice and a matter of discipline. While they are partially right, they cannot understand that insane compulsion that drives all reason out of one's head and leads to all the self destructive self centred behaviours that mark addiction. The ex addicts (most of whom i know through NA) get that bit, they really understand - and I found their support invaluable in getting and staying clean.
If ever you feel tempted or (god forbid) get in trouble with substances again, keep the existence of Narcotics Anonymous at the back of your mind. (They mention god, which some ppl are funny with, but it is very much a non denominatonal non religious program - just btw).
I am just rambling here - i have a break between two jobs starting this weekend and going for a week - a wonderful opportunity to get off the codeine. So I will be trying as of saturday. You have done the first hard yards of physical withdrawal, terrific for you! I will let you know how I go with my detox - the older one is, the tougher it seems to be - and i am not sure if that is only a physical age thing, or if it is also a psychic weariness at being on this merry go round for so long.
And it is a pleasure to be talking with you - I am so glad it has been of some benefit to you. I am rooting for you most sincerely - I hope you make it so much.
I feel really fortunate to have you to communicate with throughout this ordeal. It sounds like we have a lot in common. You've made it a lot easier for me! Thank you for your kindness. It really does mean a lot to me.
So I told my ex girlfriend for some weird reason, with whom I'm still (awkwardly) close. It just came out. She has an even more addictive personality than I do, and she was just diagnosed as bipolar. Despite my haggard appearance and sob story, when I mentioned that it made me happy, she only seemed interested in trying some herself (OC, not heroin) because her anti-depressants don't work. I was furious at myself for even planting the seed of curiosity in her mind because now I'm afraid she's going to go on the same path I did. She asked me if I knew where to get them and I said I refuse to be a part of her throwing her life away. It was a really weird turn of events; I only wanted someone to listen and now she may very well go out and find some herself. I can't even explain how weird this girl is.
I do feel better today-- while the chills and restlessness are a little better, the main improvement is my energy level. I managed to go to both my classes and found that I haven't missed anything too important.
So I told my ex girlfriend for some weird reason, with whom I'm still (awkwardly) close. It just came out. She has an even more addictive personality than I do, and she was just diagnosed as bipolar. Despite my haggard appearance and sob story, when I mentioned that it made me happy, she only seemed interested in trying some herself (OC, not heroin) because her anti-depressants don't work. I was furious at myself for even planting the seed of curiosity in her mind because now I'm afraid she's going to go on the same path I did. She asked me if I knew where to get them and I said I refuse to be a part of her throwing her life away. It was a really weird turn of events; I only wanted someone to listen and now she may very well go out and find some herself. I can't even explain how weird this girl is.
I do feel better today-- while the chills and restlessness are a little better, the main improvement is my energy level. I managed to go to both my classes and found that I haven't missed anything too important.
good on you for day 4 - and yes, day 3 - 5 are the tough days, the novelty has kind of worn off, the mental and psychological resources are a bit worn down, the lack of sleep and constant malaise is draining, and physiologically all the drugs are out of your system and the brain is screaming for its neurotransmitters. Hang strong - there needs not be family problems to become an addict - in my opinion, unhappy lives may predispose someone to turning to drugs for comfort or coping, but what makes an addict is that unnatural biological physiological reaction of the reward mechanism in the brain. In an addict, those circuits just light up brighter and better than in a non addict, and the behaviour is reinforced just that much stronger.
Like you, opiates are my thing - hate pot, hate stimulants, used to hate alcohol except for its unconsciousness provoking abilities - but opiates, ah..... The way to stay clean is not to think about forever - that is a very long time. Just for today, stay clean just for today.
And I would encourage sharing with your friend - I totally hear that you are determined not to relapse, and like I have said before, I wish this for you more than anything. But it helps so much to open up to another person - it is a lesson in humility, it is a gift of friendship, it is making yourself accountable to another person, it is having support in a moment of weakness, should it come (and chances are it will, if not this week or this month or this year, then one time in the future when life is going fabulously or life throws a curve ball).
good on you mate, keep going!!!
Like you, opiates are my thing - hate pot, hate stimulants, used to hate alcohol except for its unconsciousness provoking abilities - but opiates, ah..... The way to stay clean is not to think about forever - that is a very long time. Just for today, stay clean just for today.
And I would encourage sharing with your friend - I totally hear that you are determined not to relapse, and like I have said before, I wish this for you more than anything. But it helps so much to open up to another person - it is a lesson in humility, it is a gift of friendship, it is making yourself accountable to another person, it is having support in a moment of weakness, should it come (and chances are it will, if not this week or this month or this year, then one time in the future when life is going fabulously or life throws a curve ball).
good on you mate, keep going!!!
And I really do hope you kick that codeine addiction... I don't know a lot about codeine, but I know I used to drink several times the recommended dosage whenever I got it in cough syrup from the doctor and it feels great too. It's hard to imagine never doing it again, isn't it?
Sounds like me, except theres no problem at home--which is why it hurts so much that I have this addiction... I'm on day 4 (or 3 if the OC set me back) and today is by far the worst. I had vomiting only on the second day, luckily, but I feel like I have a fever from hell and the sweating is unbearable, which led to only a few hours of sleep last night. But, I'm still going strong, and I won't relapse. I cannot and will not. I'm praying that tomorrow I will wake up and the worst will be over...
I guess I'm an anomaly as far as addicts go because I have never enjoyed another drug besides opiates. I hate all uppers, all downers but this one, and hallucinogens just aren't my bag. Benzos make me cloudy and I can't think (which I suppose might be why some people like them, and I must admit they help with the withdrawals quite a bit), weed makes me unable to communicate with others. Maybe that's why I like heroin-- I am the same old me with more confidence. I do binge drink from time to time, but I never drink on my own, and I don't really have a problem with it in my eyes compared to the average college student.
It's just chasing the dragon that holds me to tightly!
I'm thinking I'm going to go back to my house and tell my best friend (whom I have known since I was 5, and we now live together) about all this. I feel like it's burning a hole through my soul trying to get out to someone.
I guess I'm an anomaly as far as addicts go because I have never enjoyed another drug besides opiates. I hate all uppers, all downers but this one, and hallucinogens just aren't my bag. Benzos make me cloudy and I can't think (which I suppose might be why some people like them, and I must admit they help with the withdrawals quite a bit), weed makes me unable to communicate with others. Maybe that's why I like heroin-- I am the same old me with more confidence. I do binge drink from time to time, but I never drink on my own, and I don't really have a problem with it in my eyes compared to the average college student.
It's just chasing the dragon that holds me to tightly!
I'm thinking I'm going to go back to my house and tell my best friend (whom I have known since I was 5, and we now live together) about all this. I feel like it's burning a hole through my soul trying to get out to someone.
sure you can ask - I am 40 years old (boy is that a shock - how in he ck did I get to be 40! I was 21 just a minute ago LOL). A quick chronolgy - I was doing well in high school academically but problems at home, despite incredibly loving and well meaning parents there was a lot of dysfunction and I think I am just hyper sensitive - so started with eating problems, went on to self harm, then found alcohol and began to binge drink. Got into a fancy degree at uni, was falling apart more and more, hated myself for all sorts of reasons, wanted to destroy the me that I was and rebuild into a better version and began looking for heroin. Found it and was on heroin, alchohol and methadone until around 30. Got clean with rehab, NA, counselling and lots of hard work, then about five years ago began taking codeine for chronic headaches and bit by sneaky bit got addicted to that - hence my presence here on this forum.
You are right in saying that addiction is for life - if you are a "true" addict, who has a different physiological response to drugs than does the average joe, the potential for getting hooked exists with any sort of mood altering substance or activity. I had (and still have) to really address the stuff inside that drives me to want to be "out of it" and not conscious, in other words, to run from the reality and experience of being me.
Like i said, i hope you are on a brief detour - your twenties can be such a grand time! While i was on dope and drunk, my uni friends finished degrees, went travelling, had romances, bought houses, got nice wardrobes - whatever. All I did was earn a fortune in soul destroying ways and shoot it up my arm. A pity and a waste.
(And might I add what kills me even more is that I am wasting time again with a bloody codeine addiction!)
You are right in saying that addiction is for life - if you are a "true" addict, who has a different physiological response to drugs than does the average joe, the potential for getting hooked exists with any sort of mood altering substance or activity. I had (and still have) to really address the stuff inside that drives me to want to be "out of it" and not conscious, in other words, to run from the reality and experience of being me.
Like i said, i hope you are on a brief detour - your twenties can be such a grand time! While i was on dope and drunk, my uni friends finished degrees, went travelling, had romances, bought houses, got nice wardrobes - whatever. All I did was earn a fortune in soul destroying ways and shoot it up my arm. A pity and a waste.
(And might I add what kills me even more is that I am wasting time again with a bloody codeine addiction!)
Thanks for the helpful advice. Let me clarify the energy drink bit-- they are FRS drink mixes (I'm not sure if you have them in your area, but it's a quercetin-based drink with only a teeny bit of caffeine to improve absorption and several forms of b-vitamins, and so far it's been doing wonders. Maybe there is something to Quercetin? It's worth checking into, at least.
I will definitely be writing down how I feel--that is an excellent idea. I could see that being extremely helpful in the future.
Groundhog-- That is comforting to hear that there is someone who is in a similar position to me. I'm really glad to hear your relationship with your parents recovered over the years. Would you mind me asking how old you are? I can relate to the desperation to get money. When it comes down to it, the addict sees money as potential euphoria, rather than food, rent, car insurance, etc. At the very least, if I make it through this, I have learned some very, very effective budgeting skills, albeit the hard way-- I can get by with very little food and can live in a ****** little living space (now I just need to change the main expenditure to food instead of drugs :P).
Right now I'm trying to look at this as a small, misguided detour in my life that I can soon forget. I know addiction is a lifelong disease, but maybe I can look at it as a life experience, something that I did once for a for months, didn't like, and moved on. Right now it's all about getting through each and every second without getting more, and hopefully it will move on to minutes, hours, days, weeks and years.
I will definitely be writing down how I feel--that is an excellent idea. I could see that being extremely helpful in the future.
Groundhog-- That is comforting to hear that there is someone who is in a similar position to me. I'm really glad to hear your relationship with your parents recovered over the years. Would you mind me asking how old you are? I can relate to the desperation to get money. When it comes down to it, the addict sees money as potential euphoria, rather than food, rent, car insurance, etc. At the very least, if I make it through this, I have learned some very, very effective budgeting skills, albeit the hard way-- I can get by with very little food and can live in a ****** little living space (now I just need to change the main expenditure to food instead of drugs :P).
Right now I'm trying to look at this as a small, misguided detour in my life that I can soon forget. I know addiction is a lifelong disease, but maybe I can look at it as a life experience, something that I did once for a for months, didn't like, and moved on. Right now it's all about getting through each and every second without getting more, and hopefully it will move on to minutes, hours, days, weeks and years.
Congrats on looking at your problem head on ... that is the first and most important part,i have a suggestion for you,start writing , write about how terrible you are feeling at the moment,emotions, feelings ,behaviours and when you think again it will be a good idea to use again pick up the paper and read the real truth ..not what your addiction is telling you, second get some pple in you your life who are going throught the same thing and are recovering , one thing i found the most was that i couldnt do it alone. three, dont down play it it is real and it WILL take you to a place that you would wish on anybody .all the best to you
hi again -
wow, when you wrote you have the best parents who have given you opportunities etc, it was like reading my story on the page - the thing that destroyed my soul more than anything was what my addiction did to my parents, how much they suffered, how they tried to help me but how totally powerless they were (as I was) against the drugs. Things are very different now, much better - but when I go back in my memory to those uni days when I found drugs (went looking for heroin, on purpose) and how my marks deteriorated to fails and passes, how devastated my parents were when it all came out, after I couldn't hide it anymore, how I hocked every single item that I could to get money - oh man, those were awful days, and it was just the beginning.
Withdrawal from opiates can increase blood pressure which is a very unpleasant sensation and contributes to that yukky overall hanging out sensation - so taking a BP lowering medication like clonodine helps soothe some of those yuk sensations.
Good luck once again, hang in there.
groundhog
wow, when you wrote you have the best parents who have given you opportunities etc, it was like reading my story on the page - the thing that destroyed my soul more than anything was what my addiction did to my parents, how much they suffered, how they tried to help me but how totally powerless they were (as I was) against the drugs. Things are very different now, much better - but when I go back in my memory to those uni days when I found drugs (went looking for heroin, on purpose) and how my marks deteriorated to fails and passes, how devastated my parents were when it all came out, after I couldn't hide it anymore, how I hocked every single item that I could to get money - oh man, those were awful days, and it was just the beginning.
Withdrawal from opiates can increase blood pressure which is a very unpleasant sensation and contributes to that yukky overall hanging out sensation - so taking a BP lowering medication like clonodine helps soothe some of those yuk sensations.
Good luck once again, hang in there.
groundhog
Just to let you know, if you wanted the blood pressure medication, please be careful with the energy drinks. 5 hour energy has some of the Thomas stuff to, but it is most likely what sent me into the worst panic attack of my life. Emergen C might be the best way to go.
You feel bad because of what you have done, but it's not the mistakes in life that make us who we are, it's how we deal with them.
You feel bad because of what you have done, but it's not the mistakes in life that make us who we are, it's how we deal with them.
Oh, and I was hoping nobody would ever mention the goldfish incident again... I might be in legal trouble for something other than drugs... :P
I did mean Clonodine, which is a blood pressure medication. I have a friend who said it was worthwhile for her, so I'm gonna try to get a few of her leftovers and avoid the health center if possible.
I have looked at the thomas recipe, and though I initially thought I didn't have anything, I found a few random energy drinks mixes and emergen-c packets laying around that have just about everything but the potassium and L-tyrosine. I have decided to go to my parents house today and finish detoxing there, where hopefully they'll be able to get me some bananas or something, under the guise of the flu. I think at this moment I feel well enough to make the short drive, but it's not gonna be fun. Bless their hearts, my family has done everything for me and given me every opportunity to NOT end up this way and this is how I repay them. I could not ask for better parents, but they definitely could have ended up with better children.
I hit rock bottom when I took a bottle of OCs from my dad following my first detox, and two days later, on my 21st birthday, they decide to get me a brand new digital piano to replace my broken one. I was blown away at their generosity and my lack of respect for them. That was when I decided to get clean and put this ******** behind me, and whenever I feel a craving or have a thought of getting more to make it end that moment slaps me in the face and tells me "no."
Again, thanks for the help. It feels good finally talking about it with someone other than a sketchy junky with no short-term memory left.
I have looked at the thomas recipe, and though I initially thought I didn't have anything, I found a few random energy drinks mixes and emergen-c packets laying around that have just about everything but the potassium and L-tyrosine. I have decided to go to my parents house today and finish detoxing there, where hopefully they'll be able to get me some bananas or something, under the guise of the flu. I think at this moment I feel well enough to make the short drive, but it's not gonna be fun. Bless their hearts, my family has done everything for me and given me every opportunity to NOT end up this way and this is how I repay them. I could not ask for better parents, but they definitely could have ended up with better children.
I hit rock bottom when I took a bottle of OCs from my dad following my first detox, and two days later, on my 21st birthday, they decide to get me a brand new digital piano to replace my broken one. I was blown away at their generosity and my lack of respect for them. That was when I decided to get clean and put this ******** behind me, and whenever I feel a craving or have a thought of getting more to make it end that moment slaps me in the face and tells me "no."
Again, thanks for the help. It feels good finally talking about it with someone other than a sketchy junky with no short-term memory left.
Well, it is the safe alternative to morphine right?
Yeah, all these drugs that were made to improve our life, to bad there is no more opium for cough syrup (rolls eyes).
I don't know how that works because I have not taken it, however, you will probably get help on here from other people. Give it a tad more time, and I am pretty sure someone else will post that does know about clondine. I know that valium helps with the norco withdrawals I can get. So, considering they are both benzodiazepines and it is in the Thomas recipe, it might work. Oh, have you seen the Thomas recipe? You can find it on here, it has helped a lot of people. Also, I am not correcting you but do you mean Klonopin? Actually I think I have it wrong, you probably meant clondine, but since I was thinking of the Tomas recipe I was thinking klonopin.
Errr, stupid medications. The Thomas recipe is great for opiate withdrawls and I wish the best of luck to you. Keep studying, and you can hire me on later when you are CEO somewhere. and this heroin problem is a thing of the past, like what happened last night at the sorority house with the gold fish. (sorry, stupid college humor there)
Yeah, all these drugs that were made to improve our life, to bad there is no more opium for cough syrup (rolls eyes).
I don't know how that works because I have not taken it, however, you will probably get help on here from other people. Give it a tad more time, and I am pretty sure someone else will post that does know about clondine. I know that valium helps with the norco withdrawals I can get. So, considering they are both benzodiazepines and it is in the Thomas recipe, it might work. Oh, have you seen the Thomas recipe? You can find it on here, it has helped a lot of people. Also, I am not correcting you but do you mean Klonopin? Actually I think I have it wrong, you probably meant clondine, but since I was thinking of the Tomas recipe I was thinking klonopin.
Errr, stupid medications. The Thomas recipe is great for opiate withdrawls and I wish the best of luck to you. Keep studying, and you can hire me on later when you are CEO somewhere. and this heroin problem is a thing of the past, like what happened last night at the sorority house with the gold fish. (sorry, stupid college humor there)
You are correct. I am, in fact, in my third year of college, and 21 years old. I spent all night tossing and turning in my bed, though I have found that alcohol takes the edge off, at least for an hour or so when it first hits, so I was able to get a little bit of sleep. Whoever invented heroin at Bayer a hundred years ago should be taken out back and shot.
As of this moment, I *literally do not* have the few dollars in my bank account to go buy any supplements because of this addiction. I'm going to go to the university health center and see if I can work something out with them, and maybe get some Clonodine and whatnot. Is it worth it to get it? How well does it work, and what symptoms does it alleviate?
As of this moment, I *literally do not* have the few dollars in my bank account to go buy any supplements because of this addiction. I'm going to go to the university health center and see if I can work something out with them, and maybe get some Clonodine and whatnot. Is it worth it to get it? How well does it work, and what symptoms does it alleviate?
Hello there. I was a heroin addict for all of my twenties, started at 18 years of age. More than a decade of my life was spent obsessed and posessed by this drug and all that comes with it - the things that one does to obtain the money for the drug, the time spent stoned, the time spend sick and in withdrawals, the time spent trying to get clean but failing, the shame, the fear, the despair, the ill health, the inner torment of wanting more than anything to stop but at the same time wanting more than anything to have just one more hit. I feel for you deeply and I truly hope that you will be one of those statistical anomalies who has a short stint with narcotics and then leaves them behind and has a normal, basic, decent human life.
I wish that I had stopped after a few months - in my first six months of addiction I truly experienced the best and the worst of heroin, and the remaining decade was just repetition of the same (only growing weaker and more hopeless with each passing year).
The withdrawals are not going to be comfortable - taking substitute narcotics will dull the edge but will prolong the process, and in my experience the psychological side of taking substitutes opened a door by which I could more easily justify going back to H. If you can find it within yourself, stop cold turkey, using the vitamins and supplements discussed on here for relief. I would also encourage telling someone and getting their support - the physical part can be hard, the mental even harder (in my experience), and asking for help from another human being is the single best asset in this fight. Use this forum too, great bunch of people with loads of experience.
I wish you the very best - for some reason I am assuming that you are young, college age say, and I feel as if I am talking to that younger me who found heroin after two years at university and lost so much as a result. I would love to hear how you go - all the best to you.
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I wish that I had stopped after a few months - in my first six months of addiction I truly experienced the best and the worst of heroin, and the remaining decade was just repetition of the same (only growing weaker and more hopeless with each passing year).
The withdrawals are not going to be comfortable - taking substitute narcotics will dull the edge but will prolong the process, and in my experience the psychological side of taking substitutes opened a door by which I could more easily justify going back to H. If you can find it within yourself, stop cold turkey, using the vitamins and supplements discussed on here for relief. I would also encourage telling someone and getting their support - the physical part can be hard, the mental even harder (in my experience), and asking for help from another human being is the single best asset in this fight. Use this forum too, great bunch of people with loads of experience.
I wish you the very best - for some reason I am assuming that you are young, college age say, and I feel as if I am talking to that younger me who found heroin after two years at university and lost so much as a result. I would love to hear how you go - all the best to you.
groundhog
First off, what I notice is you are incredibly intelligent. You either have college behind you or you self taught yourself a lot. Please, kick this while it's not so bad.
I don't know to much about tapering off of heroin. I grew up in enviorments where a lot of people used. I never tried it because I was afraid that I would be hooked to the point of death. I know that with other opiates (pain pill opiates) it can be better for almost everyone to taper down. You are right, you don't have as bad as a problem as you could or as most heroin addicts. While I cannot really help, other than to let you know someone cares, there will be more people to come to help with your question. This site is great for answers and support. The tracker tools are very useful to yourself, people who want to help you, and people who need help after you kick the habit. It is sunday, it is late, so you might not get a response for a small while, but if you stay at the site and check occasionally, you will start getting more and more help.
Good luck and please end the hell.
I don't know to much about tapering off of heroin. I grew up in enviorments where a lot of people used. I never tried it because I was afraid that I would be hooked to the point of death. I know that with other opiates (pain pill opiates) it can be better for almost everyone to taper down. You are right, you don't have as bad as a problem as you could or as most heroin addicts. While I cannot really help, other than to let you know someone cares, there will be more people to come to help with your question. This site is great for answers and support. The tracker tools are very useful to yourself, people who want to help you, and people who need help after you kick the habit. It is sunday, it is late, so you might not get a response for a small while, but if you stay at the site and check occasionally, you will start getting more and more help.
Good luck and please end the hell.
Do no trade one drug for another. yeah taking the oc would help with wds cuz ur feeding ur opiate addiction. ur best bet is to jump cold turkey. by taking the oc 4 wds ur just delaying it and putting more opiates in ur body which could make the wds worse. not gona lie buddy ur gona feel like shizz 4 a week. but you can do this if ur serious bout getn clean. i knw u said u dnt have any cravings now but u should go to NA meetings so if or when they do hit u have support and the tools to work thru them. check out the thomas recipe for help to ease the wds. keep posting here as much as u need. the people here are wonderful and we TRULY care. keep us posted on ur progress. Good luck and you CAN do this. i have faith in ya
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