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Heroin vs Grandpa powders

My son is addicted to Heroin. He uses a lot of Grandpa powders each day. (more than 6 per day) What is the effect of this combination?
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Not familiar with grandpa powders...is it an aspirin with caffeine like goody powder?
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Aspirin 453,6mg, Paracetamol 324,0mg and Caffeine 64,8mg.  Can it be inhaled or smoked like Heroin? Or can it be used to "stretch" heroin?  I know that it can couse severe liver damage.
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Paracetamol is Tylenol in the US. I don't see how it would do anything but cause liver damage if used too much. I do hope your son realizes the dangerous place he is in using heroin. It is a tough drug to get off of.
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i think he is using it to "stretch" the H  for resale or to last longer.. They cut the drug with all kinds of things.. I also hope your son realizes how dangerous this drug is and seeks help to quit.. I'm sorry you are in the position to have to ask this question. I wish you well..
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I cant see why son would use this with Heroin. I dont think it would stretch the high from Heroin but i'm not quite sure.
I agree with GoingToMakeIt, Heroin is a tough drug to get off, i was addicted to the evil drug for over 8yrs. I hope your son decides to get off it asap. Life isnt a life while on H, its one BIG nightmare. I wish your son all the best in making a decision to free himself from this.
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Thanks for caring and taking time to answer. Our family are going through hell. He has been to rehabilitation but relapsed. Been in a very serious accident on his way to buy the drug just before Christmas. He is still recovering and we are taking care of him. We suspect that he is on Heroin again. He is 28 years old, and ben using it now for four years. This is a nightmare. He takes Grandpa powders every day of his life, does not even bother to hide the evidence. He's intelligent, an excellent plumber, but can't stay away from using Heroin.  He wants to stop, makes promises to us, but needless to say -he can't.
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I never heard of Grandpa powders before but now I know what they are. Heroin is the toughest! I was on it and on hydrocodone and hydro is a walk in the park compared to H. He can do it when he really wants to.
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sounds like grandpa powders is what is called 'excedrin' here in the U.S.  it is an over the counter pain reliever.  I agree w/10356.  I think he is just cutting it w/the heroin to make it last longer.  Gives more 'filler' if you will.  The only thing it will do is relieve any headache or muscle ache associated with it.  If he is snorting the drug, it can produce bloody noses due to the aspirin in it but he probably isnt getting enough of it to cause significant damage.  More concerning is he is back on the heroin and if he was prescribed opiates for pain control after his accident, that would have caused him to crave the heroin.  I am sorry you are going through this, but unfortunately he has to quit for himself and not for anyone else.  You are going to have to show some tough love to distance yourself from watching him commit a slow suicide.  We are here for you.
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Thanks everyone. It helps a lot to talk to people who understands what you are talking about .. How can you tell someone what Heroin dependancy is if they havent experienced it 1st hand? (their own child or someone close to them)  I would like advise to help him quit en what tough love I can apply. There is a possibility of going for rehab again, but its a lot of money and for a period of 6 months. The 1st rehab centre was only 6 weeks  - maybe too short? He and his wife are addicted, but they are separated now. He is willing to go again,  but worried about his plumbing business and afraid he'll lose clients. My husband and I have tried since December to keep him off the H but must admit me failed. He was clean till March, then his wife showed up. We found out about her too late. He was seeing her again en  using H. Please, any advice to help his from our side will be appreciated
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Boy, I am sorry but he is so very lucky to have you!!  I am an addict, but I was also married to an addict, so I have been on both sides of the coin.  In order to help your son get well you need to do a few things.  1.  Set boundaries.  Rescuing him from poor choices and allowing him into your home when he is using is not acceptable.  If he is man enough to go out and do illegal drugs, he is man enough to deal with the consequences of such behavior.  2.  Tell him you are concerned and want to help him get well.  Tell him you will support whatever he does to get and stay sober, but will not help him in any way if he continues to use.  3.  I would bet that anytime he is around the wife, they cannot make wise decisions about drug use.

He knows what rehab has to say.  He's been there?  He HAS to use the tools he learned while he was there.  That may mean going to AA/NA meetings, getting a sponsor, reaching out to other addicts for help on line (even using this site); change his friends/wife/family who promote such behavior.  This is a disease he will have for the rest of his life.  Like any other disease - like heart disease or diabetes- he HAS to do daily treatment to control it.  He cannot cure it, but can treat it.  If he is not willing to stay away from people who still use, not willing to talk to and receive advice from other addicts, and not willing to do whatever - WHATEVER- it takes, he's not ready to quit.
I know he's worried about his business, but if he continues on this road, there won't be a business anymore.  There may not be a him anymore.  
Maybe you can encourage him to get on this site and ask for help?
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I"ll encourage him to get in touch tonight. It is now 8:20 morning in South Africa. Your advise is excellent. Thats what we try to do, but feel sorry after a few hours en give in. Now we will no more and take your advise very seriously.  His wife was arrested on Friday in Pretoria for buying H. She is still in prison, awaiting the bail hearing this morning. He's upset, even though he knows that he could have been there with her, if we had not took his vehicles keys from him last week. His brother transports him to work and back now. Where will all this end?  Thanks for the advise to get him on this site and speak for himself to people willing to help.  He keeps telling us that we dont listen to what he is saying.  I dont really know what he want to tell is, the 1 thing he keeps on telling is that he used H only once with his wife the last 2 months. But its not true.  They dont live togetrher but finds ways during the day to see each other.  His name is Ger-Jee and he will read the concersations tonight. Thx a million
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I"d consider that he may be selling it to cover his use,,buying some,taking his cut and replacing it with the powder,,gl
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Hi Ger-Jee
On the off chance you are reading this.. I understand where you are at I was addicted to Heroin a little over 30 years ago, It was under the same circumstance as you I used it with my old boyfriend I could not get away from it, every time I tried he would show up with some and I would do it with him and it would start all over again.. I got so sick of living my life looking for my next fix, getting sick 2 or 3 times during the week or even worse cutting it to much and making it to weak...I read your wife is in jail, now is a good time to stop (that could be you) and figure out what you are getting out of the relationship, but your addiction... I had to take a good look at our relationship and all I saw was a person that wanted someone to get high with, There was no concern for my well being. I finally decided to get clean and remain that way I had to stop seeing him..It was the best decision I ever made..
You have a business a family that still supports you and is there.. Your continued use of Heroin will take that all away from you  Your money your family's money will be gone.... Your Businesses gone.... clients gone.... Your desire for living gone... your ability to love gone... Your ability to care gone..... My ex boyfriend has none of these things they are gone..
You need to make a commitment to live and not let your estranged wife nor Heroin  
take away from what you have worked hard for... I wish you well in your life and hope you choose to bask in the warmth of your family's love and the joy of feeling well and whole everyday...Lesa
P.S. Mom I'm so sorry you and your family are going through this.. You have done a wonderful job raising your son the love and compassion shine through, but save that for when he decides to quit for only he can do it He is responsible for putting the junk in him he has to be responsible for the consonances Wannabefree gave you excellent advice and guide lines...this is not your responsibility...
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hi lesa ,its Ger_jee.i read what you said,ill come back to you on that.i appreciate you taking time to reply.
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Hallo Lesa - showed your message and the others from the last few days to Ger-Jee this morning. He kept reading it over and over, and then left for work.  I think he's got a lot to think about. I hope that he will continue from now on to write his own messages and get on this site for help.I received new hope and faith during these past days communicating with you all.  Thanks again to you all - for advise, for encouragement. Please write to Ger-Jee. I'll see to it that he reads every message and hopefully reply. He wants to be clean. I know that. His Mom.
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You are doing the right thing to encourage him to read this. It is ultimately up to him to make this decision to quit. It also takes a 110% commitment on his part to get clean and then to stay clean. The good news is, it can be done.  Ger-Jee I encourage you to join this forum and start asking questions. There are many here that have battled heroin and are winning. I do hope you come on here. There is such hope when you read of others breaking free. You can too.

"When your desire to get clean, is stronger than your desire to use. Then, you will get clean"  GTMI
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Ger-Jee i agree with GoingToMakeIt....i also hope you come on the forum. The support here is excellent. I battled With that evil drug for 8+ long yrs and i am free now. It was the best decision i ever made. 10356 also freed herself from this drug....it can be done and if you want to get 'clean'.........you will. I wish you all the strength to battle this demon. My life started the day i stopped heroin......so will yours.
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hi Ger= Jee
I'm so glad to see your reading I sent you a personal message... A friend Lesa
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Grandpa should be banned. They get addicted to it and uses one every hour with Coke! Makes them high
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I'm very Happy to say GerJee Is clean and a Body Builder with a Beautiful family.. It is possible to turn it all around if you put in the work....
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Outstanding follow up!
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Hi Lientjie

I have seen this happen to my cousin, very sad story. You need to practise tough love its the only way!!! My cousin was heavily addicted and his parents was also quite soft on him, they would try and when he failed or cried they would feel sorry for him and hug him and just tell him they are there and love him and want to help him BLAH BLAH BLAH... 3 weeks later they passed away in a car accident leaving him behind. He was 26 years old he was a mess untill he was about 33 he could not get off, he did not want help, he was stubborn, most of the time no one knew where he was and turned out he was sleeping on the street etc. He passed away at the age of 34 because of an overdose - fact is you are not going to outlive your child in order to ALWAYS help him and ALWAYS be there, thats just the fact. You need to realize that your son needs your help and he might hate you for the tough love you may practise on him, but in 3 - 4 years time he will be thankfull to you forever. If you love your son you can see that he needs this and I can see you love him dearly. It is a very difficult situation and you dont always know what tough love would actually help, but on H I can say the tougher the better. Lock him up, never let him leave your site for one minute do whatever it takes so you can rest assure the day you are no longer here, he will be just fine... ALL THE LUCK
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