Honestly

[trdofbeingtrd]

In 21 or 22 days I quit norcos, period. My mind is made up, and it will happen. A problem I am finding, is jeesh, I hear about terrible anxiety for more than a month with some people. This is scaring me, not enough to not go through with it, but.......

Please, just do me a favor, and while my wife is great support, and I love her forever, please help me as you help the others. I won't be weak to want them again, I will be scared. Before I got hurt, and got this pain, and took this medication, I was doing good. I had conquered my panic disorder, conquered my dp and dr disorders, and had it in my hand. Now, it's taken away. This is not a 'feel bad" for me post, just asking for help.

[trdofbeingtrd]

I am doing alright, I am a tad worried when I go to work on Thursday, but other than that, I should be ok. Thank you for asking :-)

To petroglyph54, I know I don't have to take them all, I am just trying to slow down easy rather than all at once. I do understand though.

[petroglyph54]

I think your good to go. You know you don't have to consume all your pills, if your ready just flush em, sooner started sooner ended.

[Katrina81]

Just checking in to see how you are? How you feeling?

[trdofbeingtrd]

Well, other than "L-tyrosine", what else can help? I have the chamomile, valarian root, lemon balm, catnip, and skullcap for my teas, also I have about 25 prescribed vallium. So what else might I want to make it better? I also have the immodium and the vitamin B.

Oh, and 7 days, like take what I have and redo my taper?

If I keep going at 5 pills a day, then I have more than a week and I hear that if you do it more slowly than abruptly and cut down smaller than larger, it is supposed to help.

I will get back to my trackers tonight and post about my progress.

Thank you.

[petroglyph54]

At this rate you'll be lookin back and clean in no time! So, I gotta recommend having at least some of those nutrients on hand just in case it gets uncomfortable, I shoulda put that in parenthesis. Especially the immodium, and some motrin or something to help, when you make the jump to warp drive. Sleep could be a problem, the melatonin works for me,don't take to much of it. It kinda weirds me, but I do get to sleep. So what are we talking here 7 days? You know the weekend is coming and there ain't no time like the present. Just cuz a person tapers don't let ya off scott free, but does make the wd's more better. Keep postin and build up your resolve.

[trdofbeingtrd]

Thank you :-) I am good to go then.

[JES168]

didnt mean to answer a question meant for gnarly. but i hope your anxiety lessens. You Can do this, just think of the day your clean and withdrawals are over. that always gave me encouragement. good luck.

[JES168]

70 should be fine. i dont know how long you want to taper but if you have less you might just have to taper a little faster. i only had 32 to taper because i took the other 50 i was going to taper with just to get high. my taper was only seven days long. im not sure you would even call mine a taper, i just cut my dose a little more than half for five days then had two days taking only one . but i did take tramadol for those last two also. this was the mildest withdrawal that i have ever had. oh and i was with no pills for two days took one on my third now im on 2nd day again, but feel much better.

[trdofbeingtrd]

I know you can't give specific taper advice, but, I have 70 pills left, and I am taking 8 a day, although because of what I had to do today I went through 10, is 70 enough to do a safe taper that will work by time I run out?

[gnarly_1]

HI  you will find that after your off the narcotics for a wile your pain clock sorta resets itself
and your pain will probably be manageable with 800mg ibuprofine ...I know now it dont work and it wont as long as the narcotics are in your system but we have many members including myself that find our pain is a lot more manageable without the narcotics you will go threw a period of whats called rebound pain it takes your body some time to build up natural endorphins  but once it dose things will get better....your at where I was taking the pain meds but not getting any releaf from them it gets to a point where nothing the give you will work
keep going with your taper post for support I will check on you form time to time hang in there you'll get threw this............Gnarly  

[trdofbeingtrd]

I am tapering down, although I haven't done my trackers for about three days, I am down to 8 and I will be going down to 5 tomorrow. Thank you for the encouraging words. It's the pain that gets me mad. I will have this pain when the pills are gone, but what is funny, I have the pain now. It *****.............oh well, I can do it.

[throwindatowl]

You can taper or as I like to call it slooooooooow down. Dont drag it out either. I came off 120 -150mg oxys. Ive ran out before and wd it wasnt pretty. I sloooowed down and quit and it was much easier. Either way quiting is the end result. Im glad your making the right decision. Almost all of us feel much much better within a month. Congrats on making the right choice. I can tell you relapse is part of it for most of us. Get some aftercare and make your first time quiting your last time. You have to know this. You can NEVER take an opiates agains. Dont be tricked. I was tricked many many times. Never means never. Your drawing a line in the sand that can never be crossed no matter what. You can do it. Its only a stupid little pill right? No big deal. Dont make it one.

[mommyoffive0529]

well im on day 30 and i do still have anxiety...i hope it goes aways but some people says it can take a couple months....i cant wait till its gone!

[trdofbeingtrd]

Yes, the doctors were taking me up the scale of pain medications because of how bad my pain was/still is. I tried both the oxycodone and hydromorphone, they both took care of the pain, but the effects and strength scared me, so after trying one fill of oxycodone and 8 of the hydromorphone, I told them I did not want them and gave them back. I did not know about the anxiety being a problem until the first time I tired to quit cold turkey on the norcos. Before the accident, before the pain, and before the WD's, I had my anxiety and panic disorder under control. My doctor obviously thinks I am a druggy so I am not going to be taking any more medications from him, although I will get shots if they help. I don't want to talk to this doctor about this because he is already showing signs he does not trust me. I just have to taper off and stay off medications. The pain I can deal with even though I  won't be a happy camper until I do. I have depression and mental issues because of how sensitive I can be, and because I posted asking for support and did not get any help or posts, yes, I got irratated. I don't feel bad for that. I can understand what Katrina said, and yes, my post most likely got overlooked, but there was no way for me to know this. Thank you for the advice, I wish you the best on your struggle, and yes, I love and am thankful for my wife.

[trdofbeingtrd]

I had the anxiety, depression, DP, DR, and panic disorder before the norcos.

Now it's all willpower, and I will have the power to not take all the pills.

[petroglyph54]

Welcome to the forum! It was wonderful for me when I found this place, I have learned a lot and will continue. So, if that's also true for you, then already a big plus, a place where people have very similar problems. Right down to the color of the drugs your taking, and what you may think your doctor thinks and we all know about how money disappears, right before our very eyes. Go figure. I heard my inlaws say they couldn't afford vitamins but got new windows? Whatever doctor,[it was a doctor?] that hooked you up with oxy's and hydo's, was taking you up the scale of potentency for narcotics. One post above you said you wouldn't make the mistake of  thinking some of the people on here might not know something you don't? So, if I understand you explained to the doctor, what was going on with your pain, they gave you a scrip and you gave it back? Did you tell the doctor that you had a very large problem with the anxiety, and that is what you needed help with? You mentioned also that you've got a great supporting wife, I say count your blessings at least once a day. Many people here also have issues, including pain and although when your in wd's or suffering thru tapering it's hard to realize that other people also need to tend to their life's and problem's, you will end up doing some of this by yourself. If it's any consolation, I'm going thru an agonizing taper. That's as close as anybody can get to you for what you have to do, to get away from this menace. Every poster on this forum has done what they can for others pretty unselfishly, I feel. I'd like you to keep two logs, one for pain and the other for meds taken for it. It will be very valuable in the future to be able to read where you were regardless of the direction you go. Get real honest with yourself and your wife, you've gotten clean before, you can do it again. You've received sage advice, and can get tools to help. Get it done

[Katrina81]

I know all about the panic and anxiety. Ive tried quitting several times and the anxiety and intense cravings always sent me running back so i feel for ya there. did u have anxiety before getting on pain meds?

[gnarly_1]

HI......your droping dose pritty fare for just one day tapers work out a lot better when done gradually we cant post them in the open forum but I can send you one threw the messenger
it a proven one and has been used by many here to come off just about anything from methadone to oxy and everything in between I got it form a neo/natal nurse that brings babys off methadone heroin oxy ext I figured if it is safe enough for a baby it safe enough for me I used it and it worked great....check your e/mail I might have already sent this to you if I did pardone me for not remembering....lots of dead brain cells...lol anyway tapering is tuff it requires lots of discipline any way try what I send you it wont be as ruff on you as what your thinking of trying and if you make it to hard on yourself you wont stick with it....Gnarly    

[trdofbeingtrd]

Honestly, if it wasn't for the panic I get from the WD's the rest would not be a problem, it's only the panic that makes cold turkey not doable. Thank you for the advice, and I will try the excedrin when I get off the norcos.

It is easy for me to want to find a real drug once I get off the norcos because not only do I get depressed naturally, my life ***** hardcore right now. I mean, I got like 20 issues that is making me hate life, and it's not the meds that make me feel/think like this.

Thank you for talking to me.

[trdofbeingtrd]

Well, the herbs help enough with the anxiety and panic disorder while tapering, although they probably wouldn't make a dent if I were to quit cold turkey, when I stopped compleatly the last time, I had the worst panic attack of my life, not only did my hands tingle and get numb, but for the first time my stomach did too. I am taking 8 pills a day, and tomorrow I go down to five. I HAVE to quit now, I can't get any more after this (the doctor thinks I am faking pain I guess and I am just an addict) and I WON"T go through what I did the last time, I thought I was going to die litterally. I have no therapist or medication for anxiety, I found a great one when I started going through DP and DR, she helped me out to the extent of excluding the WD's from the norcos I can compleatly control my anxiety and panic disorder. Thank you for talking to me.

[ImDONENoMore]

Yes, pain is a tricky one.  I have chronic pain too (from OA) and I thought I wouldn't be able to get that under control after I quit the narcotics.  And you know what?  I was wrong.

I think what you're experiencing now is rebound pain.  The pain gets much worse when your lessening your dose (or cold turkeying) before it gets better.  Right now, your body/brain doesn't have the proper receptors/neurotransmitters to handle pain in a natural way since the drugs have been handling the pain for them and you've covered it up with the norcos (I did this too, only with tramadol).  So until that's all been "rewired" so to speak, the pain is going to be overwhelming.  Trust that with time it will lessen and I'll bet those natural remedies you've researched will work for you.  As gnarly said, unfortunately you have to be okay with NOT being okay for a while.

And not sure if this is an option for you, but I found excedrin to be a HUGE help for me in the early days. It's a little stronger than the Aleve I now take for pain, but in the early days, it was a g-dsend.  Maybe that might help you too?

And if you think the taper isn't going well, you may want to reconsider jumping off now.  I've read so many stories about members getting so frustrated with their tapers and they just couldn't take it anymore and figured what was the difference - may as well just stop altogether and get it over with sooner rather than later.  Just something to think about.

I'll be rooting for you - you can do this so stay strong!  :)

[Katrina81]

Oh u make ur own herbal stuff? Thats cool. Have u spoken to the dr about the severe anxiety? I am on an anxiety med that is not addictive. Course it takes a while to build up in the body but its a safer choice than xanax and all those benzos. Something to think about. Anxiety is a tough battle NOT dealing with tryin 2 get clean so its even worse when detoxing and trying to live a sober life. Are u currently on any anti depressants or in therapy? I started all of that BEFORE i detoxed and it helped put me in a better state of mind. How many pills are u taking a day now? sorry if i missed u saying somewhere.

[trdofbeingtrd]

The taper is not going good. I don't know what to do about the pain. I mean, I am going down, but the more I go down, the worse the pain gets. I was given oxycodone and hydromorphone, I gave back both, even though both worked for my pain. I mean, I have to taper because of how long I have taken the norcos, and if I just stop, I go through terrible panic attacks and the other WD's, but I can only imagine WD's from the other two. I think I can do 2 pills in the morning, and 2 pills in the evening for my next cut down. Obviously there is a problem if the doctor asks me "what drugs do you have at your house". I have the pain, but at the same time, I just don't want the poison in my body anymore. I think a problem also is I am looking for all natural means to control the pain, and I don't have the money for the herbs I need........yet. I get my loan in a couple days maybe 4 to 5 actually, and from that, I will be getting all I need. I just hope my faith in herbs for pain is worth it. When it comes to teas to give me energy, help me relax, tooth pain, and sleep, they work just fine, but I haven't made creams from herbs for pain yet. I put a decent amount of years self teaching myself about herbs, and because they worked on other issues, I was hoping they would work here.

Anyways, I know it's not personal, I just have depression issues. Sorry.

[ImDONENoMore]

I'm sure it's nothing personal.  There are so many posts here every day and sometimes it gets overwhelming trying to read everything to keep up.  Sometimes you have to post a new question so you'll pop up at the top of the line and people will see it right away.

Hope the taper is going according to your plan - and I wish you the best!  :)