I have a plan...

I didn't know if i should repost but thanks to all of you warm and caring people I had so many responses. (still learning how this site operates) Anyway.I have been up for @ 60 hrs with only @ 6 hrs of sleep so I had to take some seroquel. it's starting to kick in and i wish I could continue this tonight but I promise to get sleep so I am clear headed when i wake up. Also I have some more questions. I know i sound like a broken record but THANKYOU TO ALL YOU CARING PEOPLE I can say this now...I think I really might have been dead the first night I posted. Bless you all.  your friend Lisa    Oh my 16 yr old is missing at the moment too, I will have more in that later. EVIL are all the drugs etc.. that are killing our young people. (even more of an epidemic in this day)

[toxictome]

Glad you are reposting...and remember..you can post as many times as you want/need....thats how it works...
I will look for your post tomorrow...get some sleep...take care

[GoingToMakeIt]

Good to hear from you. A good nights sleep will help tremendously.

[allaboutmary]

Let us know what your plan is.  You are sounding better. Thats so great.   Keep us posted.  

[lostmarbles]

thanks for letting us know how things are.. keep us posted on everything.. good luck

[Flutterby111]

Good to hear you are setting up plans.  I hope your 16 year old is safe, and you are too....

[worried878]

Cool...now you have a plan....focus and prepare...keep posting...you sound so much better

[sadinmichigan]

I have a plan...but it seems so stupid now. I am too up and down to know anything. But my plan is/was to quit cold turkey on March 1. I pick that day because that is the day after my son is having his first xteme cagefighting championship. I have to be there. I wrote down the Thompson recipe and am going to gather the things I need for that. (had to wait for $) I am either going to do this or I'm going to die. That is the only choice I can see. Right now I don't even want to be with my husband and my 16 yr old is not good and needs intervention. She told me to f off earlier. But I'm not.

[swtbreezie]

Hang in there and get some sleep I'm going now but saw your post wanted to respond and hope give you some encoragement.  My daughter at 16 was on crack it was a horrible time I got her in detox I didnt have the $'s for rehab so we did it on our own went to NA and AA meetings it was very hard.   She stayed clean for a long time and made the choice not to anymore she is now dead and it is not on the autopsy report but I know there was drugs involved.  Tell your daughter about this, I KNOW mine did not want to die but it happened.  Tell yours not to let it happen to her and don't say it wont it always can.
swtbreezie

[sadinmichigan]

I am sooo very sorry.My heart is breaking for you and everyone else out there that has had to suffer such a devastating loss. My daughter called me from someones cell..we/police have been trying to track her down. It's so cold outside and I hope she's safe and warm. I would have been on(here) all day if i could have been, but it seems that just when I was making some progress everything comes crashing in all around. if it was only 1 or 2 things going on it may be easier but life just doesn't seem to work like that. I at this time don't know what drugs my child is on (she has been w/her dad since March). I see her only every other weekend when she feels like it.She doesn't like comming here because I won't let her do what she feels like.I do not have a relationship with her dad, he was very abusive (to me) and it's only been the last year that he hasn't made my life hell. I have been with my husband now for about 13 years, I have had to look over my shoulder for a long time.Anyway..long story.but that part of my life is past.
My 2 oldest children have had @ 7 friends die from overdoses,a couple were possible suicides.Just in the past 1 1/2. I know drugs have been around forever but it is a different more dangerous world out there everyday for these kids. I am always learning about some new concoction that they are taking to get high.I have already dealt with my 18 yr old son doing drugs,steroids,coke,pills,pot,etc and my 22 yr old with ecstasy,acid,coke,etc.. It's so hard. My son is off all that but it took him going to jail. Not even for drugs but for "roid rage".My oldest moved to Oregon a year ago Oct. don't really like the way things are out there. much different then the East. No offense to anyone in Oregon.She moved there to work at a pot growin farm. I guess they had a growing permit for the gov. What a joke. You can go to jail for a long time here in Mich. I don't understand the same government that can lock you up and throw away the key can "let " you grow it. MAKES NO SENSE!! I will unfortunately be up all night. I need to stay up incase they pick up my kid. I the mean time I am still making my plans to get my act together. it's do or die time.And I want to do. I really really do. Thankyou for responding. take car and welcome to this forum. It's pretty amazing.

[Flutterby111]

I was such a Sh***y teenager to my folks.  I was on alot of drugs and ran rampant through the streets, doing whatever I wanted.  I put my folks through hell...Since then,  I managed to keep my partying under control enough to maintain and keep afloat. And I've only dabbled in the hard drugs here and there, on weekends or whatever.  Never lost a job over it or anything, in my adult years.  (Not that it's ok) I regret all I put my parents through and I'm so proud and grateful to say they are my best friends now!  We are so close.  I'm 28 now.   After I was about 22 we became incredibly close.  They both know about this last stint with the pills, and to be honest it took me by surprise too.  I felt like I was 16 again, in trouble, crying on the phone to them both.  THey were very supportive and have been helpful in finding me drugfree help for my pain.  I babbled here, sorry....I just want to give you hope for a future relationship with your daughter and that she can grow up to be ok...I know I'm ok.  Even though I had this little hurdle with pills, I'm overcoming it.  I hope and pray she'll get over her 16 going on 21 stage quickly.  She'll regret it, I did.

[sadinmichigan]

Thankyou so much. She is back at her dads now but is being extremely volitile. She said I am no longer her mother and told me to f off and all her brothers and sisters too.
Regardless of this latest heartache ( i feel physically ill) I am sticking to my plan. I started an anti-depress yesterday and I am gathering my ingrediants for the Thompson recipe. I also am looking for a counselor.(i have to interview them) I am a christian so I prefer one that has that knowledge so they know where I'm comming from. So it's cold turkey for me March 1.  Like you..I was also a horrid teenager on every drug you could imagine. I got married at 16. I did regret as you said. I know she will to one day. I didn't forgive my mother though until i was 30.She was very abusive. And my dad was never around.I have 1 brother and he is a wreck.  I'll be back on later when it's a little more quiet around here. I keep seeing my 11 yr old trying to peer ove rmy shoulder. Thanks again. Lisa

[enemy48]

Hi girl~

I've been away from the forum for a few days and catching up on the scoop.  Glad to see that you're back.  

Wow, there's a ton of new people here.

Listen, I read that you started anti-depressants and getting all the ingredients for the Thomas Recipe.  You aren't suppose to take anti-depressants with the Ltyrosine.  It can cause a spike in your blood pressure.  And with your family problems, it may raise anyway, so be careful!  

I didn't know about this until I was on my day 5, so I stopped the anti-depressants and continued w/Thomas.

Good luck, & talk soon.  By the way, I'm day 40-something.  

[sadinmichigan]

Hi again, glad your back around, thankyou for the info on the anti-depress and Ltyrosine. I think maybe I'll just delete the Ltyrosine and keep on this Cymbalta. Do you know what the Ltyrosine does or is helpful for? I'm also asking my Dr. about that Catapres.I have heard that it is a blood pressure med.But he told me it has been helpful for w/d.

I am so gad to here it's been 40 something days!! Good for you. How are you feeling? I hope good!.I am still just trying to get my brain ready. I am looking foward to it BUT not.

I'm going to be on my own here,as far as the people around me go. I told my husband what I was going to be doing. He really didn't have much to say except if it works than he would like to try it too. I don't really believe him though and i'm afraid that when i do get this over with, I won't be able to deal with him. I really am trying not to judge him because he is not where I'm at. My marraige is really suffering.Because of a few different things. This morning when i woke up i went to my locked cabinet and found his zippo on the floor next to it. (we have a workroom in the back of our garage where we smoke). So my guess is, he was trying to get in the cabinet.He's at work right now probably wondering where his zippo is and i hope he's worried that I found it.We have gone round and round about this issue. i am so frustrated,but no matter what i have to get my act together for what ever else comes my way.
I gotta go get ready for church now but I'll be back, and again thanks for taking the time to write .I hope everyone has a wonderful day.

[worried878]

Glad you are still planning and posting...dont give up....let us know how we can help

[sadinmichigan]

Oh I'm still planning and i have a feeling that today may not go too good so I'll be back and surely let you know if anyone can help this. I don't want to give up.

[worried878]

good....you are getting there girl...can feel the vibes!

[enemy48]

Hey Sad......the Ltyrosine is for mental alertness........which you'll need.  It will be hard to concentrate on anything.  During detox I had to check my paperwork 3 times.  I usually got it right on the second check, but didn't trust myself because I couldn't remember what I was doing just 5 minutes before.

You'll also find yourself going in circles and you'll have ADD.  Ltyrosine helps with that..

I didn't know your husband used too.  Does he use the hydros like you?  What is a zippo?  Some sort of tool?  What all do you keep locked in that cabinet?  Do yall smoke cigs or pot?

Quitting w/o a spouse participating will be tough.  I'm afraid that he may be your supplier if you feel too bad to go through with it.  But stick w/us & we'll walk you through it.

You asked how I was feeling at 40 something days?  Well, my biggest problem was no energy, no sleep & depression.  But the lack of sleep caused the lack of energy turning me into a zombie causing the depression.  

I found myself on this forum about 16-18 hours a day.  Don't get me wrong.....I couldn't have done it without everyone here, pulling for me, struggling with me and offering so much encouragement.  Little by little, I weaned from the puter because I wasn't accomplishing a thing during this time.  

I'm not normal yet, but better.  I'm so glad that I don't have to depend on pills anymore like a bad cigarette habit.  It was so much work keeping the supply I needed and got to be so expensive, not to mention all the BAD things I did to get them.  

Working on overcoming your past w/pills has to be a goal.  You'll find yourself much more content as time goes by.  In the beginning just 1 minute will seem like 24 hours.  The time will move very slowly and all you'll want to do is sleep to make the days go by faster so you can feel better.  So have a supply of sleep meds to aid you with this, because YOU DON"T SLEEP!

Anyway, enough.  Keep us posted on your days and ask all questions.  Talk soon!

[GoingToMakeIt]

L-Tyrosine helps with mood energy and cravings. You need to be very careful using it with Cymbalta. I would no take more than 500mg at a time to see how you do. The fear is too much seratonin which is not good. That is why there is a warning about use of amino acids and anti-depressants.

[toxictome]

Glad to see you picked a stop/start date! Not sure which word i wanted to use!!! LOL

Maybe you need to just concentrate on getting yourself better right now.. I know its difficult, but it will make you stronger so you can deal w/ all htese thigns going on.
Hang in there and keep posting.....

Enemy:  a zippo is a lighter!!! LMAO
didn't you ever smoke pot or cigs??/ they were really big in the 70's!!!

[enemy48]

Yeah.......I'm so dingy!  I did think of a lighter at first, but how in hell would he use a lighter to get into a locked cabinet?  Read that part again!

[GoingToMakeIt]

Sounds like the smokes were locked in the cabinet. They have kids.

[enemy48]

Okay, I'm getting double vision reading this post   Isn't that where pills are locked too?  Sounded like he was around the cabinet b/c he left evidence.  I was thinking he was trying to get her pills while he was smoking a cig.

Guess I'll have to wait for her to answer when she gets back from church.

[toxictome]

you guys are cracking me up...you two should be crime scene investigators LMAO..

i think while he was out smoking,he dropped the lighter  while he was over messing w/ the lock on the cabinet where the pills are!!! The smoking area and the cabinet must not be right together!?!?!?!

goingto : you are getting some pretty big shoes to fill...addict, wise man and crime scene investigator...lol

[GoingToMakeIt]

GTMI is CSI! enemy48 NCIS!    LMAO
She should be home soon to clear up this mystery. I think we all agree that the key to this mystery is the Zippo. He has been found out!

[sadinmichigan]

well after i got done lmao. I could finally compose myself to write. Still don't know if i can. I lock all medicines even tylenol in my cabinet.(i still have little ones and thieves among me) yes the zippo had to have fallen out of his pocket as he was trying to break into the cabinet to steal my vicodin.The cabinet is nowhere near where the ashtray is. Oh my. i haven;t laughed that hard in awhile THANKYOU so much i really needed that. And yes he has gone through180 7.5 vicodins in 14 days. Going to market had the mystery solved. good work scooby LOL LOlLOL I really needed that. thankyou all. I love you guys.

[toxictome]

thanks for solving the mystery...i couldn't go to sleep til i knew..hahah    jk

I got a few good laughs too.....even .....  "going to market"  LMAO..
he is a good scooby, isn't he!!
~hugs~

[GoingToMakeIt]

So it happened in the Conservatory, Mr Mustard did it with the Zippo lighter!

[sadinmichigan]

I just had to reread all the comments and I an still LMAO!!!Almost cryin' oh my..you all are FUNNY. and Yeah the Zippo was the clue.. Mr. Mustard got BUSTED!!! Also I quit smoking pot awhile back, Just wanted you to know. Thanks for cracking me up. I haven't had much ton laugh at lately but this really did the trick. (i'm laughing with you,not at you)..You guys are great!! And after I reread. toxictome had it right. LMAO!!!

[sadinmichigan]

not feeling good.Not good at all. Please pray for me. I have a rx waiting at the pharmacy. Don't want it,but i do right now.This sucks!!

[GoingToMakeIt]

You can do this. Pull strength from down deep. I am praying for you.

[Flutterby111]

Come on Sad......Be strong....read back to what you've been posting...I mean really read back!!!!  

[worried878]

stick to your plan!  You are doing wonderfully with all u have going on in your life...perhaps when the pills are gone you will feel more at peace

laura

[toxictome]

Dig Deep ,sad....
YOU CAN DO THIS!!!!
Keep up the fight...we will be here for you no matter what you choose....
Stay strong, girlfriend!!

[sadinmichigan]

i'm really trying.thankyou for all of your support. i am having a real hard time concentrating,but wanted to check in. i'll check back soon.

[sadinmichigan]

please pray for me. I am quitting smoking and the pills that are killing my soul Friday. I will be on here as much as I can because you all are such great support. I am doing it.!!!!

[newmanagment]

Good to see ya back. and to have your day set is awesome. just a thought , but why both at one time? maybe focus on one issue at a time, like the pills first. some are stronger, and you may be one, but i find i have to look one demon in the eye at a time. anyway, best of luck , 2moro is your day,, and we will be here to support you and lift you up when you are down....

[worried878]

I am still here...pm me if needed...i love hearing from u...i am so happy to see you posting and planning.....u r headed in the right direction...i can feel it...keep posting

[sadinmichigan]

Thanks..I am quitting both because when I've been in w/ds before I never wanted to smoke and I figure I'm already miserable.LOL I have patches but i have quit smoking so many times,probably have quit more than I've smoked over the years. I hopefully won't be too worse off. I did tell myself if that was too much at once than I will just smoke. But i am GOING TO DO THIS. I need this monkey off my back!! I have been mentally getting prepared best I can. i will need everyone here!! I don't have anyone else. Gotta go grocery shopping while i can. I'll be back.

[toxictome]

YOU GO GIRL...btw..how is Mr. Mustard?? Did he miss his lighter? That was soo funny!!!
We will be here for you...so post away!!!
YOU CAN DO THIS!!!!

[sadinmichigan]

I so far am doing it. not easy but I'm not giving up. and Mr. Mustard is in trouble still.LOL That was pretty funny.

[sadinmichigan]

well I am feeling pretty bad but I am NOT giving up. Went to the hospital because my face was burning and it turns out..the anti-depressant I was on,was the cause. None of that for me now. I also came across a good site for anyone interested in using what God already put on the earth to heal us. it's Earth clinic. Lots of good stuff there. I'm going to bed but i am still alive and not giving up no matter how miserable i feel right now.

[worried878]

so glad for u girl....how is your process going...r u tapering or are you CT?   I guess I missed it...let me know

[sadinmichigan]

i'm cold turkey. it's not going real great, but I'll make it.(hopefully)

[sadinmichigan]

well it seems like a long long time. But in a few more days I know I will start feeling better. I am just taking it a minute at a time ,even though the minutes seem to be really long. (smile).please continue to pray for me. I am taking my vitamins,drinking alot of water,(stopped the cymbalta) and doing a method called oil pulling. It's thousands of years old and it helps your body remove toxins,bacteria,parasites etc . It isn't as bad as it might sound. I am using sesame seed oil (recommended).Anybody interested can go to  earth.clinic  on the web for more on that and the many benefits of apple cider vinegar.I am willing to do any natural remedy. No more pills for me!!

[worried878]

Boy when u jumped on board and decided to quit u did it 100 percent!   U seem so determined..that is so wonderful....u were just menatally getting ready and now u r there...Keep postine...I love natural stuff and my son/a masters in nueroscience thinks i am a nut....i tried foot patches/chinese to pull out toxins...My grand-dtr wore them friday night and thought it was so cool how they turned black...she is convinced it was the lead in her pencil stick on her hand   LOL...her mom also thinks I am a nut...hey....nuts are ok....we do ear candles and the whole nine yards  LOL

[toxictome]

Hang in there sad...Have you taken any hot baths yet?..that might help you...I seem to be the BATH pusher on here...I LOVE my hot baths...
I'll keep ya in my prayers..DIG DEEP and FIND THE STRENGTH!!!
YOU CAN DO THIS!!!!

[sadinmichigan]

I really appreciate all of you. This definately isn't a piece of cake but I have made it thus far.(everyone at home is still alive too LOL). I am feeling somewhat tolerable..if that makes sense. Trying to pay no attention to time.Man..does it seem to go slower than usual. There is NO turning back for me.!!!!! I will win this one if it kills me. Thanks again everyone. It really does make a difference to know someone cares..because nobody in my life here does. Thanks again from my heart.

[sadinmichigan]

ok..i'm sure this is a normal part of withdrawals but i just need to write. I don't want to sit..I don't want to stand. I want to cry,i don't want to cry.I can't sit still and i can't keep moving. i'm hungry..I'm not hungry. I'm tired and I'm not tired. I could be just crazy. i do not know what to do exactly but wait for this crappy feeling to go away. Ok .just had to rant a little. I decided to just sit down and stand up and walk around or whatever else I can think of,i guess if thats what it takes.

[confused456]

I have felt that exact same way. Especially in week 2. It was crazy and I really thought I was nuts. It has been better for me in the past few days. hang in there.

[usarmymedic]

go take a hot shower or bath it will help calm you down ok it is normal you are doing great be strong and you'll get through this we are here so vent vent as much as you want that is why we stay here is to help others so hugs

chris

[cathy5841]

hey sounds like you are totally in w/d's.  all those things are normal and necessary for recovery.  i know it is not easy cuz i have been there.  i made 90 days clean on thursday.  so i can definately tell it gets better.  i am so glad you made the decision to take your life back...that is one of the best decisions you will ever make.  just remember to keep your eye on the prize.  this too shall pass and whatever dont kill you will make you stronger.  i am here if you need me.  i was gone for a few days i had to have surgery,,,but i am back,  just keep postin
hugs
cathy

[sadinmichigan]

Thanks..I'm already crying and smiling at the same damn time! I guess I just feel like crying so I will. This is the part that makes me so mad at myself for putting myself in this position in the first place. I don't want to be cocky but I want to be happy and say..even though I fell like hell I am DONE. They are gone. I know i have awhile to go and access to those horrible drugs. My husband will continue taking them but I told him not to even discuss it with me or I will simply leave him. he knows what a painful long struggle this has been for me. I don't want to be mad at him and I don't want to be sabotoged. That will be the hard part but i am determined more than i ever have been. I guess it will be 3 days @ 12p.m. Whew! Please someone tell me is it going to be worse tomarrow and then start to get better?(lie to me) just kidding. (little smile) I wish i could take a shower but my legs and arms feel so week. Is that normal? And the people in my house can't seem to clean the #$@@*^!bathtub ever. I have my 18yr old,his 19 yr old girlfriend and all my other kids here.And The two older ones know whats going on. Unfortunately my son had a short dealing with vicodin about 1 1/2 yrs ago (he was stealing mine and getting them from school etc.. But I have been on these 6 yrs. Just gotta say i feel like I'm writing backwards because i have become dyslexic. I have to keep erasing and starting over. Hope I'm making sense. Hugs to all of you.

[cathy5841]

babe, it shouldnt be any worse tomorrow than today...i might be just as bad...but you made it today so you will make it tomorrow.  if you have trouble sleeping gnc has sleep formula. it is an all natural sleep aid.  it has valarian root in it, give it a try.  i still have sleep issues,  but i have always had those.  we are here if you need anything
cathy

[sadinmichigan]

thanyou.. I have always had sleep issues too. they are just worse lately. I gotta get my 3 younger kids off to school in the morning and I am afraid I won't be able to. But I have to take care of my babies. Maybe I will take a shower now. I made coffee, probably not the smartest move.but my head hurts really bad and that usually will do the trick. i think i might be up all night just to get my kids to school. i have seemed to feel worse when I have slept and wake up.

[cathy5841]

the w/ds will give you a bad headache too.  get some excedrin migraine it will stop the headache in 30 mins.  also get some epsom salt to soak in,  good luck
cathy

[sadinmichigan]

yeah..I definately have a bad headache. i took a hot bath (i gave it a try toxic bath pusher LOL) then I took an ice cold shower. I have been doing some research on cold shower therapy. I figure I can't feel too much worse so ...why not. I do feel a bit better. I'll have to get some excedrin in the a.m. Lisa

[sadinmichigan]

it's 6:20 a.m and I am as wide awake as I was yesterday. My neck is killing me. Oh well I guess thats part of it and i might as well stay awake to get the kids off to school. Then maybe the good Lord will help me to get some sleep.

[confused456]

Hope you are able to get some rest sometime today. My kids just got on the bus. Whoo-hoo!!! Empty house!!!

[sadinmichigan]

I still have another 1 1/2 hrs to go for mine.

[confused456]

Wow. Why so late? If you are in MI....we should be on the same time, right? Well, my school district just changed this year and all 3 schools get on the same bus. There is no Elementary bus anymore, they have to ride with the High School and Jr. High kids. I have one in each and I hate that my 2nd grader rides with the older kids, but the school says it saves money.

[sadinmichigan]

They get on the bus at @ 8:35 and start school at 9. Crazy. At least they are all still in elementry. They have 6th gr in elementry here still. Thank God

[confused456]

You are lucky. Our school changed as I stated this year and one of the new things that changed is our 5th graders are in the Jr. High. To me, that is messed up. I do not think 5th graders need to be exposed to what the 8th graders are doing (ie....sex, drugs, etc.). It is nuts!! We have K-4 in El. and 5th - 8th in Jr. and the High School still is the same with Freshman thru Seniors.

[sadinmichigan]

That is definately WRONG. I had a problem with 6th grade being in Jr High BUT 5th. Now I'm really worked up. LOL

[confused456]

I know, I think it is stupid on the schools part. Unfortunately, they did it anyway. I don't even want to think about when my youngest is in the 5th grade and has to go to Jr. High. I am glad it is still a couple years away!!

[sadinmichigan]

my 4th in line will be going to jr high next year. And 3rd in line will be a senior. EEKS I also have 1st and 2nd graders

[confused456]

Wow, so yours are spread out in age. Mine are in 9th, 7th, and 2nd right now.

[sadinmichigan]

22,18,16,11,8,&6 girl, boy, girl,girl,girl,boy

[confused456]

WOW!! You are busy!! LOL Mine are 15 (will be in June), 13, and 8. I am done, done, done. No more for me. LOL Well, I couldn't even if I wanted to.

[sadinmichigan]

LOL I'm WAY done and same here. My oldest moved to Oregon last year October. She has unfortunately turned into quite the hippy west coaster. (no offense anyone) I am a yankee all the way. Couldn't handle it there. But I hear it's beautiful!

[confused456]

Thats cute....LOL....I hear it is beautiful too. I have relatives in arizona but haven't been out that way yet. Only been South to Louisiana.

[confused456]

Well, I have been to Virginia, and Kansas, and other places, but never West. Not yet anyways.

[sadinmichigan]

kids are driving me crazy at the moment so I'm drowning them out with some Rage Against the machine. (some things left over from my younger head bangin' days)anyway Tennessee is beautiful,so is Arizona I have a favorite Uncle out there. And I love love love Colorado. I love the mountains!Not much of a water person (afraid) But I do love our beautiful Great Lakes. By the way..your "man" list is great.

[confused456]

Thanks, I need to add to it, but just haven't yet. Let me know who I may have forgot.LOL   Our Great Lakes are nice. I lived in the U.P. and looking out my bay window, you could see Lake Superior. I loved it up there. Wish I would never have came back, but oh well. I want to get a cabin up there someday.

[confused456]

I have quite a CD list too. Love my music!! Its my life saver....LOL Kids yell at me to turn it down and I laugh cuz I thought it was suppose to be the other way around!!

[sadinmichigan]

no kidding! Mine yell at me too. I listen to a pretty wide variety but still..old habits die hard. LOl I like Stevie Ray,Areosmith,Hinder,Norah Jones,Motorhead,Rage,Kid Rock etc.. I'll have to make me up a list. I would say I'd add some UFC cage fighters on there like Brenden Seigren. (my son just started doing that and won his first fight). How about Al Pacino..esp. in his younger years.

[sadinmichigan]

should I keep on this same post ? Anyway I give up..sleeping. it just isn't happening. I keep waking up from being super hot and then cold and it's driving me batty. (no really) I maybe need to get on the davenport LOL

[confused456]

I think you should start a new one, this one is getting really long and so on. So glad you realized you have a davenport!!! Does that make u feel better?? LMAO