I need help with opiate withdrawal

[rocksteady]

ok heres my story. I have suffered from serious back pain caused by spinal stenosis for about 8 years. for the last 2 years, i have been taking percocet in the strength of 5/325. I usually take 4-5 over the course of a 20 hour day. my Dr. writes me a rx for 120 every month. I am at the point where i want to stop relying on painkillers, and the anxiety that comes with " what do i do if i run out early?".... does anyone know of any over the counter, or natural meds that will help with the withdrawal symptoms?? mainly its the physical aches and pains that im concerned with...stuff like aleve, and other otc pain meds never did anything for me really..and im going to be hurting enough when im off these just with the back pain alone...so any advice would be appreciate beyond comprehension...thank you.

[orangefyre]

Boy oh boy, did you come to the right place! If you are REALLY ready, you have to know that no matter what you do there will be discomfort. I'm gonna keep it real w/ya, hope I don't scare ya. I am on Day 6 cold turkey off of Methadone. I am using the Thomas Recipe, ever heard of it?
Well here it is copy and pasted for your reading and withdrawal pleasure...

Thomas Detox Recipe

PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas

This recipe is designed for cold turkey opiate detox. It assumes that you can get about 5 to 7 days away from your job or household responsibilities during which you can sleep, veg and act as miserable as you feel. Opiate WD mimics the symptoms of the common flu, so, if you need a smokescreen, hide behind a bad case of the flu.

If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.

For the Recipe, You'll need:

1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

2. Imodium (immodium) (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.

5. Vitamin B6 caps.

6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

How to use the recipe:

Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

Use the Imodium (immodium) aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

With breakfast, take the mineral supplement.

As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.

PLEASE NOTE: If you have any medical complications, first check with your doctor before detoxing to verify that this regimen is safe for you.

So, there it is in it's entirety. This is what got me to Day6. Hope it helps you as well.***@****. If you want more personal help, I'm here for you.
~Lisa

[Attorney]

Well, it sounds like you are in the same position many of us have found ourselves in......I want to quit, but don't want to feel the pains of it. The answer is not that easy.  I am not positive if there is anything out there that will help the aches, but from my experience you will need plenty of ibpro., just don't over do it.

I am two weeks off the pain killers and I have to be honest, going cold turkey was the hardest thing I have ever done (especially having to work and be a mother throughout it all).  However, the worst part of all of it was the not being able to sleep.  I went 48 hours at one time without sleeping a wink!

Before you decide to quit taking the pills, make sure that it is a good time for you.  You will need plenty of rest and lots of support.  Yes, there will be horrible days, usually around day 2, but after about 3 full days of being "clean" you will feel a little bit better.

However, you do need to know that your body will need about 10-14 days to get back to feeling somewhat "normal".  You will have little energy, with chills and aches, but the worst will be over.

You can do this!  I can tell you that Ambien was great to help me sleep during the recovery.  You may want to talk to your doctor to get some.  At least this way you will be able to sleep away the worst days......I didn't get some until afterward and really wished I had them earlier.

If you really want this, you can do it.  It will be difficult, but if you want it bad enough, you will do it.  You may want to focus on something in your life that is giving you the "want" to change, and keep that in mind when you feel like you can't anymore.  Loved ones are always worth bettering yourself!

[orangefyre]

Well spoken!
:-)

[memily79]

how long does PAWS last for methadone?  besides the iv amino acids, how else can you speed it up?

[TonyH]

TO ATTORNEY:


     You are exactly right - 2 days sucked, 3 days (today) much better. I did not do the ambien but have done the Thomas Recipe since yesterday and IT DOES help a lot!!!!

[Greif06]

It took me over a month to get to your present dose. I used the taper method. At 100mg oxy (20percs) at the end it was brutal getting to 20 mg. I am now below 5mg day and will be off by next week. Uou might consider the taper method but if you have access to 120 month you will take them. You need to have help and turn over your meds or throw them away and go ct. I tried c/t 1 day and went to doctor and my blood pressure was up 80 pts. They gave me a taper schedule along with prednisone and megavitamins. Almost done. Keep reading. This is a great group

[gipsee]

I needed to read this thread.   Ok... so 9 days clean of Vics..two days clean of Xanax..well almost 2-days.    I used the Xanax 1mg a day to sleep.   Ok... so today I was a bit weepy eyed... I did the Cold Turkey thing because for me it just made sense...I figured I'd take the hit go for the worst of it and get over it.  OK...so far so good.   Went through sweats, and chills runny nose, sneezing, THE FLIPPIN RUNs, Stomach Cramping muscles screaming....you all know the drill.

Today I'm feeling sad... I haven't been out of the house since Xmas Day...so I decided I was going to face the world as a drug free individual.   Physically, I'm not feeling so bad and of course, being new to this withdrawal thing, I am analyzing every fiber of my being at every given moment.  I'm digressing here....

I get in the car...very proud that I managed to look relatively OK..got my make up on, etc., and I'm going to meet my G/F and her hubby for dinner.   Now this is my best friend...we have known eachother for 40 years....I GOT LOST GOING TO HER HOUSE...totally disoriented, I had to stop the car to figure out where I was and had to talk myself through how I had to get where I was going from where I was.   GAWD... no one prepared me for this crapola.  I actually drove 15 minutes out of my way going somewhere I normally go on an average of 2x's a week.   That was 15 minutes before I realized I was going to where?   I have no clue.

I have no appetite so I flipped my food around on my plate at the restaurant then asked for a box for the dog.   Dinner was uneventful...but I just couldn't sit and relax I couldn't wait to get out of there.

I had to do food shopping so I managed to scuff my way through that as well...and I'm home and didn't hurt anyone.   But how long does this last??

I just want to sleep... and I don't know how to do that either.

I will NEVER go through this again.... EVER!

Now of course, my G/F knows I stopped with the pills.  She eats percs faster than I can count when she runs out of Rx..she buys them from HER FRIEND @ 7 bucks a pop....we are together so much and tonight for the first time I saw her.... I actually saw "me" in a whole other light.    I am so afraid for her and I have no right to be judgemental ... I would actually go through this FOR HER if I could.  

Sorry for the loooong post... I really need some help here.

XoXo
Gip

[mhandley]

Paste the link below into your browser for information about Methadone withdrawal:

http://www.dpeg.org/treatment/methadone_withdrawal.htm

To answer your question... everyone is different but generally, it has been found that following opiate detox, there are two periods of protracted withdrawal. The first (or sub-acute withdrawal) lasts 2-8 weeks and people describe moderate to severe insomnia and fatigue, low energy, and other depressive symptoms. This is quite variable but is sometimes difficult for people to tolerate. Unfortunately medications have only a limited effect. However the symptoms always go away with time as the brain heals and restores itself to its natural state. This is where the aminos can greatly help. The second phase is very mild and is easily tolerated because by this stage the patients feel so much better than when they were using drugs.

I do not know of a quick fix... time takes time. The human body is an amazing thing and there is a concept called homeostasis (balance). The body will return to a balanced state and the brain/neurotransmitters will balance given sufficient time off of the methadone. But this all takes time... one approach to detox, minimizing PAWS, and faster balance is a Suboxone detox for 1-2 weeks and then amino acid therapy for 10 days with periodic boosters over the next year. This is not an inexpensive proposition but can help someone during early detox and recovery when relapse is more likely due to PAWS related conditions that persist and make using again seem like the only way to feel normal. I have been through Methadone withdrawal and recovery and it was hell... the depression sucked, I couldn't keep my legs still... I could not sleep and was miserable... I literally wanted to die and found myself thinking of plans to end it all... slowly, one day at a time, things got better and then one day I realized that I could see colors again... I could taste my food again... I could laugh... and all without any chemical assistance. I have a relationship with God today and I am grateful for his grace that lifted me out of the opiate addiction... but I needed help to make it during the early days of withdrawal or else I would have gotten loaded again and I could never have found a relationship with a God of my understanding while Methadone stood between me and that God... sorry for the long winded reply and I hope that I helped even a little... I will pray for strength for you tonight and please do not hesitate to ask for help from anyone... the hardest three words for people like us to say are "I NEED HELP"... Michael

[mhandley]

I also have been in your shoes and I am celebrating another year of continuous sobriety next week after a long history of dependence on opiates. If you have ever been through withdrawal or experienced the beginning of withdrawal while waiting for a prescription to be called in or filled, then the prospect of going through withdrawal is frightening. The only way to the other side of this fear is through it... unfortunately, not many people understand Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrom (syndrome) (PAWS) and the reason why it is difficult to stay off of opiates after the initial hell of withdrawal is over. The acute phase of withdrawal is miserable but the post acute phase needs mention... during post acute withdrawal you will experience symptoms such as neuropathy (restless legs, etc.), claustrophobia (you want to be anywhere except where you are), depression (crying excessively and you do not understand why you are so sad), racing thoughts, and the worst in my opinion working with others and from my personal experience, the inability to sleep (you are physically exhausted and just when you think you might sleep your brain starts working overtime again).... the bad news is... most people experience one or more of these symptoms after the first 72 hours of detox.... the good news is... all of these symptoms will subside over time... sleep will return... you will dream again meaning that you will hit REM sleep again... many people cannot remember the last time that they had a dream... dreams will return in technicolor... good luck and God speed... if I can help please email directly at ***@****... also, there is an amazing detox protocol for opiates (oxycontin, methadone, lortab, etc.) that is available in only 3 places in the U.S.... IV amino acids... the results are amazing... the detox symptoms subside immediately and post acute withdrawal is minimized because the amino acids actually work to repair the receptor sites in the brain... amazing stuff.. I would never have believed it except that I have seen someone I know who could not be successfully detoxed from years of methadone using a methadone taper but was successful going through the amino acid process... it is amazing... I can tell you more if anyone is interested...

[bellashelle13]

Subutex saved my life...ask about it, I had to because a friend had told me. No one offered it. There is too much to write so look it up and do the research.  All I can say is I get up happy, I have energy, peace, I want to eat, lif e is a joy now, my eyes are open for the first time in 20 years.  it helps with withdrawls, it last all day, and I just feel normal and don't have any cravings what so ever.....Find some to prescribe it to you...find this little miracle, you won't believe it.

[Jenney96]

Hello to everyone and thank you to everyone for the helpful posts but mostly for the realization that other people are going through/ have gone through this strange and isolating hell.  I have done it before and made it through all of the **** on my vacation (duh- an awful way to spend the last half of vacation, but one just cannot be so sick and constantly whine and cry at work - lol!)  That is why I am so ashamed to be in the same boat again and extra scared of how Im going to get through it again.  I do not have time off of work.  

So my question is, will suboxone get me through my workday, and will I then be dependent on it?  I have a pretty physical/ fairly stressful job, so detoxing there scares the hell out of me. ... any ideas on this one?

[Greatgreebo]

Welcome to the forum. The original post date on this thread is over a year ago. These people are probably not here anymore. If you have questions you need answered please go to the top of this page and hit the green Post a Question button. Start your own post. You will get more answers this way-the old posts will get archived much sooner than your new post.
Good luck,
Greatgreebo

[JACOB55]

IM WEIRD I CAN DEAL WITH THE PAIN AND ACHES BUT THE CHILLS AND COLD SWEATS ARE WHAT MAKE ME NOT WANT TO QUIT BUT IM DONE WITH BEING A SLAVE TO A PILL IM GETTING OFF THESE SO I CAN LIVE MY LIFE IM 28 ITS TIME TO LIVE A HAPPY LIFE BUT IVE ONLY BEEN SOBER FOR ABOUT 10 HOURS SO ILL PROBABLY REGRET SAYING ALL THIS

[woodpecker67]

Dam I am glad I found this forum, I am stopping cold turkey today and I am really dreading it.  I have done it before but everytime gets worse and worse.  All of you people are so strong, stay that way and good luck.

[hottoddy1]

Im on my third day and this sucks. I was taking oxy thirties about 4 a day for a month straight. how much longer till I feel better? days, weeks, also Im doing this cold turkey thank god Im off work right now

[bmc1976]

At the top of the page click on "post a question". Start your own thread. This is a old thread and they tend to get overlooked.

[S_S]

Well I may not be going threw this DETOX with my husband, I can tell you this I feel so helpless! I am trying my best to do what I can to help I have been up all night with him and we are just going on the second day... All he says to me is he wants to kill himself, I have watched him psychically hurt himself banging his head on are headboard and punch himself, telling me he wants to kill  himself and just DIE! It's so hard for me to watch! Tell me what can I do to get him threw this!!?? THANKS S.

[Goodguy115]

Hello,

I am on day for and yes I am taking time off work and feel sorry for my gf since she does not or ever has used opiates so she doesn't understand the withdrawl systems. I can relate with thinking of ways to end it all because either way it seems hopeless. Neverless I am staying strong and actually followed a similar recipe up at the top of the page for detoxing. Basically I am just venting but we will get through this. The body is amazing when it comes to bouncing back - so I have heard.
I don't have the runs anymore but feel out of it still. I have been going to the gym trying to exercise. I don't have any musclerelaxers like the other guy did but I am just dealing with it. I was taking sometimes 2 - 80mg Oxycontin a day along with high doses of percs for the last 4 years. So I know this has to be hard for everyone on here. Let me know how things are going for you and your husband - stay strong!!

[octoberpain]

I read through all of the comments and OMG I am on day 12...I can't take this anymore...the pain is still there and I just want it to go away.  I have children I have to take care of and I can't because my hands shake.  I was taking vidodin and pecocet for years and then started sniffing oxycontin...160mg a day or more.  Someone please tell me that tommorrow I am going to wake up and not feel sick anymore.  I can't dry heave anymore there is nothing left inside of me?  I am in back pain constantly and I get oxycodone from the Dr. I am getting some today and I want to tell him so bad that I am an addict and please help me, give me something to cure this disease, I don't want to hurt or feel the pain, but worst of all I don't want to be dependent..

[octoberpain]

Could someone please tell mi if it is possible for a addict to monitor their pain, with pain meds without abusing...I am getting them very soon and I am so afraid to have them in my hand, but on the other hand relieved that I will get them..I am so tired of shaking and being sick and I just want to take one for the back pain. ahhhhh I don't know what to do

[puranx]

your 12 days clean? You are almost there why go back to them? Talk to your Dr, tell him the truth find another way. 12 days is alot..im on day 9 and feel infinetly better then on the pills. Stay strong, I would rather be in physical pain for life then under this pill again but thats me.

[broknbck]

I can only offer you what worked for me.

I was addicted to hydrocone for 4 years. When i quit, my habit was up to 10mg a day. (that is 18- 5/500 pills a day).

I also have a back injury that caused excrusiating pain almost everyday.

1. First, I had to come up with a solution for the pain.

      Move to a low-humidity state- humidity actually constricts things in our body that cause alot of the pain.Also a warmer climate- the cold, cold, weather stiffles you with arthritus like symtoms and pain
      Lose the job that was too physically demanding
      Find an exellent physical therapy program to my specific injury

2. After repeatedly trying to quit cold-turkey, I confronted my doctor who told me simply to wean down gradually till I was only taking 1 pill. This took 1 month to do.Having picked a specific date to finish. I would wait as long as possible to take any pills and then it was only enough to be able to withstand the withdrawl symptoms. (having to run to the bathroom was a good indicator to use) ha.Don't get me wrong, this was uncomfortable, but I could still funtion.

Quitting cold-turkey is quite a shock to your system and if you're not in exellent health, can be quite damaging and lengthly.

3.The last day I took a pill, I began bombarding my body with nutrients (mainly for the brain) and good wholesome foods, exersize. Only surrounded myself with upbeat, happy, enjoyable people. Music, movies, anything that could stimulate "happy, funny, endearing feelings". Always looking ahead to the bright future I was going to have.

My first week of no drugs was probably one of the best weeks of my life! Withdrawl was very mild and new self awareness stepped in. The biggest withdrawl was pain, which my body was probably making up to get me to take some more drugs, but that subsided after a few days.

That was Dec. 3, 2007. Today I have the most awesome life!
I wish you much success and happiness!

[ShellyLynn]

Hi my name is Shelly and going through my 1st day off opiates in 4 years.  I was on Subutex for 6 months and never felt normal.  I HATE BEING SOBER!!!!  
I tried to get off of the Subs and the withdrawl was worse than the pain pills.
So we did some research online and found some horrible stories about the medication.  People were being told that they would need to detox in the hospital or get back on pain pills.  My Doctor never told me that the detox would be worse than if I had just stayed on the pills and slowly taper myself.
  I would not recommend Subutex or Suboxone to anyone.  Yes, you do not go through withdrawl but when you want to get off of them you cant!!!  
I am going to my 1st NA meeting tomorrow and will need counseling to find out why I just don't want to live being sober.  

I just really needed to get this off my chest and talk to people that are in the same situation.
Thanks for all your comments and advice.

[ging3rhoffman]

flush them down the toliet and ride the storm out.  Its mind over matter.  And when you are suffering withdrawl, remind yourself over and over that you medication has made you this sick!  If you are tempted to take more tell yourself that it is rat poisioning and it will kill you.  

[daystrom]

Dude, if you have legitimate pain, then there is nothing wrong with being on opioids.  For a chronic pain patient (or terminal cancer patients and the like), taking opioids to relieve that pain is fine.  Most opioids are not toxic and will have no effects on you if you take them long term.  There have been many studies to back this up, that middle class opioid addicts are as healthy as the general public.  It is your medication, and you are now physically dependent on it (there is a difference here between that and addiction).  Would anybody ask a diabetic to stop taking insulin?  Of course not.  The problem with chronic pain is not so much the pain itself, but the resulting misery it produces in a person's life.  Misery leads to depression, and this ruins your life.  Trust me, I have seen first hand from a family member how chronic pain can destroy a person's enjoyment of existence.

In any event, good luck bro.  Kicking *****.  I am an addict, I abused opioids for years (from heroin to pharms), and it is nasty to kick, although I have done so several times now.  There is no magic bullet and the thing that I always found hardest was not the kicking, but the staying clean bit, as I often sank into depression for a long period of time following the kick.  Good luck!  Peace bro.

[skywarn309]

I am taking 7 Lortab 10's ,, three times a day. Sometimes I wish i could quit but then I must deal with the legitimate back and shoulder pain i got from a two story fall of a house.   My doctor gives me 100 7.5s per month.. I need a higher dosage but he wont do it. I tried to tell him,, I take 8 7.5s at a time because one just don't work. I know I am addicted,, I have only went through 2 times of withdraws and NEVER want to be there again. What can I tell or ask my doctor for that will aid in me getting stronger pain meds....

[tiffanymaemohr]

I'm a 26 year old mom, that has become addicted to Hydroco/10/650. I take 6-9 a day. I want to stop, but when i don't take them my mind goes crazy, i shake sweet, throw up and cry. I'm getting were i don't even feel the pills anymore its just keeping me from getting sick. My family and friends have told me how much i have changed.  I started geting them from my doctor about 6m ago. And they made me feel care free, and i had so much more energy.  And i started losing weight. In the past three m alone iv lost 38 pounds. I want to tell me doctor that i need help, i even called this morning trying to get in to see her, with no luck. Iv gotten an appointment next Tuesday.  The holidays are so close, i just want to be myself again.. I don't really remember much of the last month are so. My dreams are really vivid, I feel like i'm not really sleeping at all. When i wake up in the morning, if i don't swallow three pills right then i started getting aches chills runny nose, and stomach spasms. I am on xanax too. I don't talk these but a few times a week. I have not needed as much as i used to before i started the pain pills. I just want to be happy again. I want to feel something besides sadness, I feel real sad at night and in the morning i guess because the pain meds are waring off. I just need to know if i need to go to rehab are if i can do it myself. I can quite cold turkey, But i heard you could die. I'm also on a heart pill called metoprolol, for erythema, and palpitation, thanks for any advise.

[winstonsmith]

im an opiate addict of 6 years. IV use of heroin, dilaudid, oxycontin, morphine, etc. 2 years in the methadone clinic, 4 or 5 months on suboxone. weened down to 1 1/2 mgs of suboxone daily then relapsed, quit taking my suboxone and shot oxycontin, heroin, and dilaudid for a week straight. went cold turkey, im on my 5th day of withdrawal. seems the worst is behind me. the 1st and 2nd days were the worst, dilirium tremens, shakes, cramps, hot/cold sweats, fatigue, etc.. im still not sleeping well. i still get the jimmy legs/arms/body when i lay down to sleep, ill lay there for hours then sleep in 45 minute intervals. im taking a multi vitamin, fish oil, milk thistle, vitamin c, ibuprofen, and valerian root, kava kava, benadryl, and muscle relaxers to sleep. i find im only sleeping after drugging the hell out of myself with otc medicines. i went from the bed, to the hot bath, back to the bed etc for 3 days straight. i am only taking the hot baths now to help relax for sleep. on the 4th day i went and walked 2 miles, which felt great. my g/f dead bolted me in the apt for days with no phone, car keys, or money. my apetites coming back... mostly eating bananas because the potassium helps with the restlesness. lots of smoothies and low sodium stuff. anyways, if anyone has any other advice on how to help get some rest without taking xanax or valium (spent many years addicted to benzos) email me at ***@**** thanks, good luck

[joeboo802]

I am on day 11 of a 15-20, 30mg Roxy habit. The good news is, i feel great and almost back to myself. My sex life is coming back and i am starting to use the bathroom #2 more frequently without the pebble beach so to speak. If i can do it, anyone can do it. I feel soooo much better and i would rather deal with my pain than be addicted to these damn drugs. I just want everyone to know they can quit if they truly want to.  I wish everyone the best.

[joeboo802]

I meant day 11 of NOT taking them.

[mrsarndt]

My husband has been on Oxycontin and Percocet...together since 02-01-09 prior to that he was on Vicodin...He went through detox from VICODIN in November because he stated that he was going to kill himself....He didnt have a choice to detox..police put him there...NOW..he has stated he NEEDS the meds...he has locked my things up because he is afraid I am going to leave him...he stopped the mail because he didnt want anyone around...he had told people that I tackled him and beat him up..including the police..when asked when this happened he says he cant remember..when asked to see the marks he states they have healed..to which this is all a really big bunch of mistruths....I am stressed and I love him very much but I dont know what to do...

[holly123456]

Iv was on26 mg 3 pill of subs for a large narco habit almost a year at first great near the end suicial and major addictive,
I had to put myself on 2 weeks of shorter acting opiate 10mg 30 pills of percs and 10 days in detox center (they wouldnt take me unless I did that),

iv been home now 5 days and am in HELL will this stuff NEVER leave my system I want iv been off sub more then a month and been tapering for 15 days now total from vics down to 1 lil pill cant walk sleep all day vomit, i was supposed to be married 2 days ago and had to fake a flu, Iv decided to stick this out no matter what but im saying this is the worse HELL iv ever been through PLEASE do your research before you get on sub, I wanted to end my habit  a year ago and so here I still sit looking on the web to feel better, the worse part is i had 700 dolars worth of subs at my house jsut in case I needed them again and my biz partner made me throw them OUT thank god too becasue I definitily would have taken them yesterday. (thinking Id figure out a differnt way) well guess what THERE is no other way.

[tito42091732]

hey im on my 2-3 day of not takeing any pain pills i was takeing them almost everyday and found myself almost needing a pill to get up and move around i was takeing them for almost a year and the first day was horrible but i gotta say that i smoked alot of pot to help w the restlessness and diarhea (diarrhea) its the best thing i dont have the shakes or sweats i wonder if im going to feel "clean " soon everytime i start to ache or hurt alil bit i just say man **** that **** thats the reason im hurtin in the first place ( u know the pills) but i was takeing almost like 80mg aday sometimes more (oxy,roxy, percocet dulata whatever i got my hands on ) and the last time  i had a pill it was only 5mg percocet that was like 2-3 days ago im feeling alot better the weed really helps ive been able to eat and sleep almost w no problem i was just wondering if any one tell me if theres anything else i can do like naturally to make me feel better i font want to take any kind or muscle relaxer or anything like that i just want to get back to my normal self can anyone maybe tell me something i can do to speed up the proses of detoxing cold turkey from pills?

[tk28]

Hi everyone, i am soo happy i found this! ive been taking lortabs for about a year and a half with my bf. we are addicted and we want to stop! but when the day comes to finally stop, i feel i cant make it through the day, i cant sleep, i start sweating, pains , i get everything, the worst you just want to die! i want to get clean and have my life back, i dont even take them for the high or euphoria feeling anymore, i take them so i dont have to go through withdrawls, it is horrible, and i dont even know how i got in this deep! does any one know of any natural remedies. thank you and we can all do this together!!