I need some advice on how to get off the Oxycontin without Methadone

[ocgirl]

I have been doing oc's on and off since 1999.  The first time I tried them I hated it because me and a friend did 120mg that night snorting and taking them by mouth we were so sick that I decided never to try them again.  My x-boyfriend starting getting hooked and we got back together for a short time but I did not realize I was hooked on them as well.  He is now on Methadone but I don't want to do that because I think I can beat this myself.  I have been doing at least 20-80mg at a time.  20's no longer work nor do the 40's so I know it is time to stop plus all my money goes to pills and I hate it.  This is my second day without an oxy and I am feelin pretty shitty as some may know.  I have been taking lorcet 10's to try to help with my withdrawals but I can't even feel those anymore.  I took 5 of them yesterday and still felt really awful. Today I have taken a half of one and did a little bit of an oxcodone IR 5mg.  I am trying but I don't  know if I can do this or not.  I am so sick, I can't sleep, I wake up in cold sweats if I do sleep, I have severe stomach cramps and nausea.  I don't really know what to do except go find another oc but I know that is not the answer.

[GiannaM]

I am not a fan of the methadone clinics as I was there a year and a half before going to inpatient treatment to get off of that stuff. However-you can go to a methadone clinic and tell them you are there to do a detox only off of the oxys. They can set up a safe schedule where you can detox with the least physical effects. Don't let them keep you on there any longer than the original plan. What you will really need to look at is the aftercare you will nedd. The physical is really the least of your worries, because after you get clean is when the real work begins-believe me I know! Good luck and God Bless!

[a549056]

ok kid, your on the right trac, knowin ya gots ta quit. it can be done. im on my 18th day, feelin good. your gonna feel like hell for a while. in my case, after the 4th day, i started feelin better. the doc gave me "levsin" its a anti cramp pill. worked pretty good. also, i walked alot. had ta force myself, but kept walkin. just member this: the withdrawls DO, go away. for me, after 7 days, i had no more pain. now its a mind game for me. so-- read all these posts from these fine folks here for some ideas and try ta keep strong. oh yeah, most important---pray

tom

[a549056]

oh yeah, forgot to tell ya--- i was doin from 100 to 180 mg a day of oxy for bout 5 years.

[skipper]

ocgirl;
welcome to the forum! there will always be room for just one more
junky, so come on in!
maybe i've read it wrong...but did you say <20> 80mg oc /day? wow!
that's a lot of dope! and i thought was quite an "oil burner when i
got loose and going!

first of all you've done quite well going several days without. i
think that a pat on the back is inorder here! now lets get to it!
poke around in the older postings and look for thomas's recipe. be-
sides sugestting the obvious (imodium (immodium)) you will see a list of min-
erals, amino acids (L-Tyrosine) and vitamens. you can get all of it
from a GNC or any other vitamen store. get on this combination and
stay on it for th next 30 days. if you can find valium, or kloopin
use that the first few days. watch out as these drugs are addictive
in their own rite. also a neural muscle relaxer called bacloven
could prove helpful. MOST IMPORTANTLY, KEEP POSTING

keep an angle on your shoulder
kip

[DIRTBAG]

I AM PRAYING FOR YOUOVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR YOU TO FINISH BEING SICK? DOES SMOKING POT HELP? DO YOU HAVE TO STAY HOME WHEN YOU ARE SICK? DOES YOUR WIFE KNOW WHEN YOU ARE SICK AND WHY?  IS SHE HELPFUL OR HURTFUL?  I THINK THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE FINE THIS TIME, YOU REALLY COME OFF AS A STROMG PERSON TO ME AND I THINK YOU NEED TO PUT YOURSELF FIRST FOR AWHILE AND YOU WILL FIND SUCCESS AND HAPPINESS.

[Goldenbear]

Thank You for the advice about the Ambien. I will avoid taking it unless I am absolutely bugged out and unable to sleep. I could easily take a few puffs and it would be more gratifying than another pill that I could possibly be dependent on... I really appreciate the support and the way everybody cares so much about eachothers fight to get straight. Like a few others I have all of Thomas' recipe (cost me under $40 for everything) to help me with wd. I added one more vitamin/suppliment; Milk Thistle to detoxify my liver. I have been told by a nutritionist it will help the health of my liver emmensly. I just took my last 25mg of Lorcet. I'm kind of scared, but ready to kick it...
Goldenbear

[kell737]

You are so welcome!    Onestep is exactly right about ambien.... It really  screws with your mind.  There would be night I would take  1 pill and about 20 minutes later I was so disoriented!  The next next morning you dont remember anything.   It's actually a drug thats in a lot of controversoy (spelling) right now because of the memory thing.   I would wake up the next morning and  wonder where in the hell I was or  why I was sleeping,  and sometimes didn't remember sleeping at all.  Just be careful with it.    

~KEll

[kell737]

Thank you for responding.  I was wondering because I have a friend that takes it religiously  and I kind of figured  it was addicting.  Is it an optiate?  What makes it habit forming... I know its not a Narcotic...   It's actually not even controlled, so what makes it that way.  

~Kell

[pon]

Hey my friend...you are embarking on your journey tomorrow...I believe you are ready.  You are sounding stronger these last couple of days...I believe in your strength, you believe in it too..it is what you need to make it through.

You KNOW it will be hard, you have been there...and by having been there, you know what to expect...you have the strength to make it Chezz, you really do.

You can do it...I believe in you...do it for YOURSELF.  This can be the first step to a whole new life, one with endless possibilities, one with a new chance at repairing the other parts of your life that hurt you.

Remember, the first 4 days will be the hardest, you made it to 4 last time...this time break through and see the easing that can come after day 4.  You can do this...hang in there and be strong...be strong for you.

My prayers are with you now and will be all through this.  I will be checking the e-mail and post as frequently as I can...e-mail is easier for me to get at, so go there in times of most need.

WE WILL ALL BE HERE FOR YOU CHEZZ...YOU ARE ALWAYS HERE FOR US WE WILL BE HERE FOR YOU.

You can do it..you are my friend and you are STRONGER than you know.

Prayers...I will talk to you tomorrow.

Pon

[ocgirl]

I just got back from GNC and I bought l-tyrosine and b6 is that enough or should I get the multi vitamins to go with it?  I guess if I need the vitamins I will have to get them tomorrow.  I did go get some food it seems to make the pain worse and getting out of the house period seems to make me want to at least get a few 80's just to say I did a few 80's and then decided to kick my habit.  I know I am too far to go back since it has been a little over 72 hours but I want just a piece of one to make me feel better.   I drank a huge margarita tonight trying to make the pain go away but guess what?  It doesn't work at all.  I need some pot or something so I won't be up all night. Oh well if I can make if without my oxy surely I can do without pot unless it just pops up.  Right now it is looking like I will take a phenergan, levsin, and smoke a cig until I can sleep.  Until tomorrow goodnight all and happy detoxing as well.  This **** sucks!

[ultimate high]

how come nobody ever wrote me and said "Welcome to this Board?"  Just curious and I guess it's because I'm not an opiate junkie like I've stated before although I have posted many things on here to help you opiate junkies with withdrawal ideas etc but nobody even says thanx or hey i might try that or tell me more or nothing.  I've messaged Chezz like a hundred times and he never writes back to me.  I've written skipper and he never talks back to me.  What the ****.  Oh well it doesn't really matter.  I scammed a prescription today which is my first scamming adventure but I had never thought of it until reading this board.  I had a prescription refill at one pharmacy but couldn't get it filled till next monday so i called the same doctors office and had him call me in another prescription (because he doesn't keep track very well) which has another refill on it at another pharmacy.  So I picked that up tonight and can get my other refilled at the other pharmacy on Monday.  Oh and I did cut the pills in half to withdraw.  That's a start right?  Well NOT because now I just take both of the halves at once so what's the use.  Do any of you even know what it is that I take or would you have to go back and read some of my posts since nobody really seems to give a ****.  I'll come back here some other time when I move on to the oxycontin and morphine and hell some of the other stuff yall take is so strong.  what's it called formaldehyde or something like that?  Anyway I have alot of damn problems in life too and everybody is so caring with each other and it made me so good to find this place where everyone was so supportive but not a damn person has asked me how I'm doing or how was my tapering schedule or for me to hang in there and I've started fighting the battle just by admitting I had a problem but I dont' get that encouragement.  It would of just been nice to hear those words from somebody.  Especially you Chezz.  You tell every single problem you have even if it was that you found a hair out of place on your head that was giving you pain.  Don't get me wrong, I liked reading your posts and tried to communicate with you but obviously unless I'm taking 200 pills a day, or shooting 18 bags of heroin, or taking 800 mg. of oxycontin then nobody gives a flying ****.  So anyway I wish yall all the best and I'm so sorry that none of you could relate to me since I wasn't and opiate junkie.  And the past several days with people fighting on this board was enough to make anybody wanna take a damn pill or a whole bottle of pills.  My God people have home problems and work problems so why in the hell do they have to create problems on a damn message board.  From now on why don't yall just download AOL Instant Message and you don't need AOL for that either and it's free and create a screen name and exchange screen names so yall can ***** each other out in private instead of ******* up everybody elses day.  Also please don't think I'm feeling sorry for myself.  I'm not and I'm not that type of person. I was happy today and planted tons of flowers and made cupcakes for my step-sons birthday and got a lot of stuff done but I just feel that I was never welcomed by anyone especially the old timers and I feel that I never got any support.  Except for Golden Slipper.  She's the exception.  And thank you Golden Slipper and I will email you privately instead of coming to this soap opera of a message board.  NO DAMN WONDER THE DOCTORS LEFT, it was probably causing them to have to take prozac or valium.  Good luck to all of you but I'm gone from here and won't be back. Yall can say all the bad things about me that you want to or negative things or whatever but I won't be back to read them so don't waste your time.  Take care.
Denise

[kell737]

Just so you know,  Phenergan is a very helpful drug with the detox sickness!  Just be careful with it because it is addictive as well.  I wish you luck an happy detoxing to you as well.

~Kell (47 days clean from Percocet)

[pregnant]

I wrote you all a few threads down under "Why are we here?"
Hope everyone has a good night!
Be thinking of you!
karen
Deva, my Doula-- I'm breaking out in a rash for the 2nd time since being clean. Is this a withdrawl or a pregnancy thing?

[kell737]

First of all, that was the first time that I say you post a comment in this forum.  And second of all, this is not Kindgergarten!   We don't go to corner and pout when we dont get our way.  Dont get me wrong,  your welcome at this forum but a lot of people have problems in here and sometimes things get to where posts dont  go out until the next day, or next week, or next month, when ever that person feels better about themself!  

Everyone in here has a heart of gold and is trying to hard to get through this.  I'm so sorry no one responded to you,  I hope you weren't telling the truth about leaving and not reading anymore post.  (otherwise I'm freakin talking to my damn self) LOL     Keep in touch with me, I try and usually make time for everyone.   Good luck!

~Kell

[Chezz]

I am sorry but your post was the FUNNIEST thing I have read in a while. Especially since I have been off the computer for half the day. I am so fu$$#^ pissed at my hospital/a stand in doctor. My Doc was out. I am so pissssssssssssttttttttttttttttttttttttt. They are fu#$%ing idiots. Even my wife wants me to start a lawsuit.

Anyway, sorry I never replied back to your posts. It is so hard to remember everyone and reply too. And I am at my computer most of the day. A couple people have posted that I hadn't written back to remind me and I did.

Don't be pissed and split. You actually sound pretty cool. I really did like your post on two levels. One it was a bumber to read the reality of it, two I really needed that after the day I had.
Chezz

PS the doc scam ain't good. ;)

[Goldy Loxycontin]

I have read this message forum for mths.  I was never gonna post until your last message.  I know you said you wont be around to read any but just in case I want you to know that I, me, me, and me have benifited soooooooooooooo much from your posts and you sound very educated.  One of the withdrawal recipes you posted is one that i just went out and bought today. i wasn't about to do the recipe from thomas whoever he is because i dont think a receipe that starts out by saying have on hand as many valiums at possible is a very legitimate detox method.  ive also asked my doctor about some of the other overload of thomas vitamins and remedies and also asked a nutrionalist at MCV in Richmond and the doctor and nutri. said the only thing that taking excessive vitamins will do is make you sicker in the long run and you should never take too many vitamins of any kind because of your stomach lining, esophagus lining ect.  i think you have been very helpful on the board and i have to admit i did wonder why hardly nobody responded to you or even tried to give you support or encouragement.  i can tell by how long ive been reading that you are a newer comer but i see new ones come on every day and they get all kinds of responses and help and support. im sorry you didnt really get ackowledged here because i can tell you are person that tries so hard to help others.  some of your posts were long that were explaining the detox methods however they were very informative and such but some of the old timers on here post every single minute of there progress and what there next taper plan is in great detail and they also tell every single new person that comes on the board their whole problem and story over again instead of just saying hey read below and you can read my story.  who would want to type it over and over and over.  it gets kind of redundant but now that ive taken up for you im sure if i became a regular poster that i wouldn't get many responses or recognition either even though i am opiod dependant.  I'd prolly get blasted. also i must say there are so many people here feeeling sorry for themselfs.  you are definitely not one.  your posts are upbeat and helpful and i am happy that you made it 12 days straight. that is an accomplishment although no one said it to you one this board and just remember to try try again.  but some do come here begging for pity or attention and until they get their heads out of there asses they ain't got a prayer in the world.  pity will get you know where but backwards.  please take care denise and here is my email address if you would like to email me and we'll start our own support group together.  it's ***@****  Good luck and i'll miss your posts Take care of you sweetie and thank you so much.

[Chezz]

Thanks all for the good words. YOu too Pon ;)

I have had a sh#$%$ afternoon. I am going to chill with the wife. She can't believe some of the sh$$# I have to deal with sometimes either.

Chezz

[Goldenbear]

I have been reading the posts on this site for two months and feel the will to stop my Lorcet 10/650 addiction. My usage is about 60 mg daily. The people on this site are an incredible group of people capable of opening doors for any addict willing to try to stop using opiates. If you search you will find Thomas' recipe for withdrawel. Today I brought the information to my Doctor and he provided me with a script for Klonopin (for anxiety) and Ambien (to sleep). Currently I still for have 50 Lorcet 10/650 pills in my possesion. I have decided to have my last 25mg of Lorcet tonight before I go to sleep. I have given my wife the rest of the pills earlier this morning and asked her to flush them. She is an angel, asking me if I was sure of my decision. The time has come to bite the bullet. The only way to get off the opiates is to reach down deep and TRY TO DO IT. I know I'm lucky because my wife and doctor know I'm an addict and each of them are giving me great support. I hope you have the same support otherwise your journey could be more difficult. I feel for your situation. Good luck in your fight against the opiates.
Goldenbear

[Moxy-oxy]

Your situation sounds alot like mine..I was taking about 15 OC 80's a day plus supplementing my habit with heroin and dilaudid. When you have a major habit like we have, I believe we have to be more careful than some others on this forum. We were taking such high amounts of opiates that detoxing cold turkey may not be the answer. I am on day three of a 21 day methadone detox schedule and I have already failed once, but at least I get to talk to a doctor periodically and monitor my detox. If you go cold turkey, with the amounts of opiates you are used to taking, the withdrawals may be hell. I am not saying go on methadone necessarily, but unless you really want to punish yourself, (and hey sometimes we need a kick in the ass) I would look into tapering with some other substance. Vicodin would work, but the good thing about going to a clinic is that they administer your dose, and as long as you don't supplement, you can't take more than they give you. How old are you? Do you have any experience with withdrawals? If you are young and particularly crazy you might be able to take the cold turkey withdrawals. I certainly thought about it..but in the end I need to work and I can't be sweating and puking all over actors I am trying to sign for my next movie. You may be in a different situation though

[onestep]

Be very careful withh the Ambein...I have been on it for 5 months and and noticed a few moths ago that I was getting really, really depressed. My suggestion as well as my doctors is take only half each night. It has an amsesia ( spelling ) effect as well and if you wake up at night you can do things you don't remember. That's why on call doctors don't take the stuff...imagine being called in...amputating someones leg and not remembering the next day..:-) Also...I'm sure you've been told...it really is for short term use...5 to 7 days. But if you use just a half it should help you go to sleep...if not chemicaly..pshycologicly.

Due to it's effects on memory it would really screw me up by waking in the morning saying " jesus...did I sleep ? I don't remember sleeping so therefore I must not have slept...gee I'm tired...tonight I'm taking twice as much " Then I really didn't remember sleeping...:-) So it's a circle...

Good luck though....you might want to try Restaril ( temazepam )..might leave you a bit groggy but you will remember sleeping...:-)

[kell737]

Can anyone tell me anything about the drug Soma?  (Generic: Carisoprodol) ....  Is it habit forming?   Any info is appreciated.  Thanks

~Kell  ( 47 days clean)

[Bodymechanic]

I would suggest that you taper.  The easiest way to do this is  by pill size.  Take a 60 mg for a week then switch to a 40 mg for a week till you get to 10 mg's.  You will be off in a month with very little discomfort. It has been my experience that the fear of the withdrawals is always worse than the withdrawals themselves.  

You can use methadone as some have suggested but don't take it for more than 5 days.  You don't want any part of a methadone habit. Plan for long term sobriety.  You have crossed the bridge from receational user to addicted user and there is no way get back.

Bodymechanic

[alexandra_r]

Just my 2 cents (for whatever its worth).  I was addicted to heroin for about 4 years and decided to do a methadone detox.  I failed at this 3 times, at which point they suggested I go on methadone maintenance.  This was the worst thing I have ever been through--I hated going to drink my "juice" every morning, standing in line, dependent on some screwed up government drug beaurocracy to give me my fix.  Then when I kicked methadone, it was 2 weeks of acute, painful withdrawal (made the kick from heroin seem like a walk in the f***king partk!), 2 months of feeling REALLY bad and 6 months of feeling lousy.  IF you decide to go the methadone route--be Vewy vewy cawefuw.  

I have been to hell and it's called methadone withdrawal . . .

[kell737]

Hi everyone.  I know I haven't posted in awhile.  I had a family emergency in Florida and was gone for 2 weeks.  

Just so you all know I am 47 days clean!  I feel reall good, even have my energy back somewhat.  The depression still bothers me sometimes but I figure if I can get those withdrawls  I can get through this!   I was reading goldenbears post where the doctor gave you Ambien......  BE CAREFUL with that drug!!  I can not stress that enough.  Yes, it WILL help you sleep but it is very very very addictive!  

Hope everyone is doing well.  Glad to be back.

[kell737]

Guess I good post my name huh?  LMAO

~ Kell

[skipper]

hey:
maybe it's just me, but i've found the jones from everthing save
methadone to be somewhat exagerated. it's not easy to go cold, but
with the recipe, some klonopin and lots of imodium (immodium) it's very do-
able. the hardest thing about w/d is just getting started...

this is coming from 30+ years as an addict from evrything opiate
from heroin, ms, pantapon...'ya know anything opiate. all it ever
got me was an intro to the big three: the taxman, blind joe death,
and (of course) jones.

so pick your place with care...where is it gonna be a county jail
cell...or maybe something a little safer-say home or a hospital.
the one truth that none of us can deny...what goes up comes down...
sooner or later-everyone. no one is exempt. best get started...

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[ocgirl]

First, I would like to thank everyone for their advice.  I don't want to do the methadone clinic thing because I used to work at one and it was all a bunch of **** (the legal way to stay trashed and give the government more money).  I have been on Klonopin for a few years now so I do have a pretty good stock of them.  I know they are habit forming too but I have been depressed and even tried to commit sucide several times since the age of 17.  I am now 25 years old and addicted to oc's or whatever I can get my hands on as far as opiates go.   I found the recipe and I am going to try it out. In fact I am trying to get the strength to get up and go to GNC now but I don't know if I will do it or not.  I didn't go to work this morning which is really bad but I am sure everyone in here understands there is no way to work in this condition.  Thank God I am off for the weekend that is basically why I started detoxing yesterday because I need to take as little time off as possible.  Does the recipe work ok while you are working?   It doesn't make you any sicker does it?  Will the people at GNC know I am an addict?  I have been very good at hiding my addiction from most everyone so not many of my friends know about this but I have told one person who is very close to me and she has been my angel all the way through the past couple of days.  Thank God she is prescribed Levsin (Hyoscyamine) or my cramps would be the end of me.  I have been taking them by the hand full along with immodium, klonopin, the few lorcet 10's I have.  I just wish there were something for the pain in my bones and everywhere else.  I don't think I will go back to them again after this recent binge but who knows I have went back before thinking I could just do one and be ok but we all know how that goes.  Anyway, thank you all for you support and maybe this is just what I need to keep away from them.   I believe I am also going to have to change my number because all the oc junkies and dealers keep calling me and either wanting me to get them some or the dealers are begging for my money.   Well thank you all and I will keep you posted.

[Chezz]

Congratulations on being clean for so long.

From what I hear, Soma is very addicting. I have heard alot of people taking it with pain meds to give em a boost.

Just what I heard, not what I know.
Chezz

P.S. We should really make a list of all of the drugs that are addicting and what ones aren't.

Being addicts - EVERY ******* THING IS ADDICTING TO US!!! LOL

[groovygirl]

i've been reading a lot about the dual diagnosis of addiction/depression...since you've been suicidal several times in the past, it might apply to you.  therefore, like the point someone else made, you will definitely need to get an after-care plan in place.  maybe if you can deal with your depression and get it under control, the addiction will be easier to overcome.  i'm no doctor...i've just been reading a ton about how depression and addiction go hand in hand.  people get depressed, and they self-medicate...then they end up addicted, and it makes them more depressed...vicious cirle.

trying to get into a methadone program in my state, ma, is almost impossible.  most wait lists are 6 months at the minimum.  basically they tell you to continue using until your name comes up....it really sucks - plus it is very expensive.

anyhow, i hope you decide to hunt around for a good dr./therapist...keep posting, and good luck.

[ocgirl]

My depression is pretty much under control at this point besides the fact that I feel like a big loser for even getting addicted anyway.  I can't tell my doctor about this or anyone else because I too much to lose.  I know all about patient confidentality but I also know that most of the time they do not keep everything so confidential. I have not tried to commit sucide in a long time so I think I maybe ok on that one but who knows.  Well I am going to lay here a bit longer and hopefully get a shower sometime today. Thanks again!

[Moxy-oxy]

Hi-
Just read your post about methadone, they tried to do the same thing to me when I failed at my first attempt to detox, that is, tried to put me on a maintenance program, which I promptly declined. Do you think a 21 day program is too long to use Methadone? I couldn't get so addicted in that period that I would have an extended withdrawal period like the one you described, right? If not, I would probably get off the Methadone and just go cold turkey, although I am sure my symptoms would be hell because of the size of my habit. How much Methadone were you on for that extended period of time? Did it help you get off the smack, or did you relapse? Thanks for your replies

[hippy]

hey gwh im missing your post

[alexandra_r]

Detoxing using methadone correctly can be very successful.  I have seen this really work in people.  So, if you follow their tapering plan and don't supplement with other drugs, I don't think that you will experience the kind of withdrawal that I did (I was on methadone--80 mg for 2 years).  The problem that I had with methadone withdrawal was that I started using heroing as soon as the methadone dose was lowered.  I was not willing enough at that point.  It took 2 more years of hell in addiction to both heroin AND methadone, the death of my husband and losing everything important before I was able to detox successfully.  You have the right attitude about it.  The bozos at the clinic will never tell you how hard it is to detox off methadone maintenance because they are clueless.  Also, don't go through the methadone detox too many times without sufficient breaks in between--that can insidiously get you addicted just like the maintenance programs will.

[deva]

it depends on what you mean by a 4th degree tear.ive seen them rip right through the anus if that is what your asking,but not when i was hired for care.that would mean i wasnt doing a very good job!!!!its really important to apply counter pressure to the perineum while pushing,but on to other questions;)it depends on what kind of rashyour getting,and where.pregnant women often get a little mask,but i susspect that it is from the toxins dumping out of your liver,especially when your pregs.your liver and kidneys are working over time.and a "hot" liver usually will show up in your skin by some type of rash.so make sure your drinking plenty of water...PLENTY,and it should support your organs function without so much stress.if you want to talk about preg. and birth you can e mail me at ***@****.       congrats on your sobriety.deva

virginia gurl,wow well at least you got some responses,so i just have to be honest,im new here too,  and see that there are alot of relationships here that seem pretty intact and close.but im not really upset that people arnt thinking of posting to me directly,there are alot of names here and it must be hard for each person to get to know each other.but one thing is sad, and thats if what you are saying is true about you being clean and no one commended you,then you certainly did deserve the recognition .

[Goldenbear]

Hello, well here I go trying to go clean. No WD yet, but I took 25mg of Lorcet last night. I'm on the "recipe" starting today and a lot of Love from my wife and 5 year old son, Noah. I talked to my son last night and told him that daddy me be grumpy for a couple of days.His response was " daddy I Love you to the moon even if you get frumpy, yes frumpy... I laughed and cried. More reason to quit.
All of you are great by the way. Even when I don't receive any direct feedback I gain strengh from reading the threads and knowing that I am not alone. Posting is a way to perge the ebee jeebies. Without all of you I never would have attempted going straight. I feel very strong right now.
Goldenbear

[DubeMechanic]

Hi Virginia Gurl.

I wouldnt worry too much about replies or lack of them. The way this forum is structured makes it harder to keep track than it might otherwise be.  Myself, I have no useful info to give you (or most folks here, for that matter), so I dont reply.

To me, addiction is addiction.. no matter what it is. Its the same mindset, and we can all benefit from each other.

Kell, Ive done somas over 3-4 months at at time and I eat them like candy as you build up a tolorence. 8 at once was no big deal, just down em with a double expresso. I never noticed w/d from them. I _have_ noticed I tend to get arrested on them though as I get so wasted. Be careful.

Golden Bear, was it you that was going to use Ambien? If so, I second the Be Carefull bit, I almost burned my house down on those. Woke up to discover I had tried to fry some bacon up in the middle of the night. Must of decided I wasnt hungry or wanted the bacon *extra* crispy and just wandered away leaving the stove on. Wadda stink :) Melted my griddle right to the stove too.

DM

[Goldenbear]

Thankyou.... I'll puff instead of using the ambien. Better yet I'll flush them. I have great insurance they didn't cost very much. I appreciate your advice and support....
Goldenbear

[Chezz]

I wish I had that option. I feel so good that I got rid of it though. My wife and her career is worth more than a puff here and there.
It is just a bumber the timing of it. It really helped me sleep.  Now I will just have to grin and bear it.

Glad to hear your son is rooting for you too.
I am also going to look into that GABA today at GNC.

By the way to everyone - Half of the problem that people have while going through withdrawls is DWELLING on them. If you just get up, go take a walk, and make sure you EAT. You will feel 1000% better.

The reason I reiterate that, is because my wife had to remind me this morning.
Do it, keep positive, keep active, drink water, eat and everything else will fall into place.
Laying in bed not only slows your metabolism(which slows the purging) it also makes you feel more like ****.
This is just my opinion. The reason I am writing it now, is because I will be needing to read that tomorrow and monday especially.
Good luck,
Chezz

[bmac]

About the dwelling on it thing.It's called obsessing over it.
I am the most guilty one about this.It was the reason my withdrawals lasted so long because I laid here (dwelling)on it.
It became such an obsession it was making me mentally ill.
Once I got to my doctors office and talked about all this
he told me that I just swapped one obsession for another.
Get up,go for a walk,do things besides sitting there and saying God I want to die.That's what I did.I made things alot worse.
Chezz,thanks for reminding me not to dwell on my addction and
to get up and get off the sofa.I needed that,thanks!
                              bmac

[skipper]

virgina gurl:
i used to welcome all the newcomerws...and then new members came
on in nubers that overwhelmed me...plus i hasve some personel prob-
lems of my own...

but hey welcome to the forum! always room for just one more junky
inside , so comeon in!!

i've been active with this board for over 1 1/2 years. in the time
i some how hbecame one of the few that would great EVERY newcomer. then sickness and some very bad personel problems set in and i just couldn't do it. do you think any of the other posters stepped in? with very few exception...hell no. i don't know why either. maybe some of the other posters are just too important! the few that have are groovy, gwh, hippy ,jesesarpy, and alexandra. i don't pretend to know what the **** is wrong with the rest of them. i've always felt the new poster is the most important person. i'm sorry i've fallen down on that i think  
it's important. the rest you guys could be a real big help if you could fill in for the rest of us..you no sort of pick up th slack once in a while.

keek posting and keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[Chezz]

I have tried to post to everyone, it isn't easy. Now that I am "busy" getting clean. I am not going to be able to do it.

This place is what you make of it. Join in, jump in, say something, anything.

Has somebody ever written something that touched you?

Then tell them. They don't know if you don't say it.

You can also write something that touches somebody else and not even know it. You could be that person that gave somebody the inspiration or the strength to make it another day.

Just my thoughts,
Chezzz

[Goldenbear]

Hope your night was manageable. Your posts yesterday helped me sooo much. You are right about writing what you feel to everybody, each person can learn from eachothers experiences with WD. If there was a magic wand to help us it wouldn't work anyway. We all have emotional insecurity and damage that has caused a lot of our addiction. I totally relate to your threads. Keep up the fight, and keep on posting. I hope you have a fantastic 3rd day straight. Remember I am 1/2 day behind you in getting clean.
Goldenbear

[Kev1894]

Hi,

I just found this site.  I found it interesting reading everones story.  I am in the first day of Hydrocodone withdrawl.  I have been in W/D many times from Hydrocodone as well as Oxycontine.  My wife dosn't know that I was taking drugs again and she would freak if she new so It is my little secret.  So...I am really on my own and I am tired of the rollercoaster ride.  I almost went into a few clinics to work my normal routine for getting meds but I did'nt do it.  So I am sitting here at work hating it.  I have diarea (diarrhea), chills and runny eyes and nose.  The W/D symtems are not as bad as they have been in the past but it still sucks.  Does any one ever stay off for good?  Life seems so dull sober.

See ya,

Kev

[Kev1894]

Hi,

I just found this site.  I found it interesting reading everones story.  I am in the first day of Hydrocodone withdrawl.  I have been in W/D many times from Hydrocodone as well as Oxycontine.  My wife dosn't know that I was taking drugs again and she would freak if she new so It is my little secret.  So...I am really on my own and I am tired of the rollercoaster ride.  I almost went into a few clinics to work my normal routine for getting meds but I did'nt do it.  So I am sitting here at work hating it.  I have diarea (diarrhea), chills and runny eyes and nose.  The W/D symtems are not as bad as they have been in the past but it still sucks.  Does any one ever stay off for good?  Life seems so dull sober.

See ya,

Kev

[bmac]

Welcome to the world of being clean.Yes it sux but so does addiction.It gets better and remember it's the mindgames
that will lead you back.Deal with those and you will win.
                            bmac

[MrClean]

I had a friend that was a junkie. He cleaned medical offices and always broke into the supply room and steal a few bottles of Oxy. He was doing so much Oxy, and then eventually heroin that he had to go to a Methadone clinic. That clinic didn't help him. He lost his job and would by Oxy off the street. He eventually became infected with Hepatitis and I didn't see him for a long time. I was expecting to hear from his family and I would be attending his funeral.

He got help. Without Methadone.

He gave me this number and told me that if I ever meet anyone who needs help give them this number :

1-800-876-6378

[Chezz]

Narconon International - Narconon Centers in the United States
... com Website: www.narconon-stonehawk.com, Narconon Southern California 1810 Oceanfront
Newport Beach, CA 92663 Phone: [phone] Phone: [phone] Fax ...
www.narconon.org/narconon_US.htm - 24k - Cached - Similar pages

[MrClean]

Chezz, thanks for your comment. I called the number and talked to Julie. She was very helpful and I talked about their business. http://www.usnodrugs.com is their website and they get five gold stars on my book. Perhaps you where confused about something Chezz.

Mr.Clean.

[Chezz]

Not everybody lives in S. Cal. That is why I posted the international #.

Thanks. It is a great site with alot of info.
Chezz

[Chezz]

BTW - You were right, I do get confused easily.
That is the N. cal chapter.

I guess the easiest would be narconon.org ?

[mrmichael67]

It is no one's place to knock any one about not welocoming all of the newbies.  If one takes it on, good for you.  That is an excellent thing that you are doing.  But, no one should feel obligated in any way to do so.  And, it takes a hell of a lot of nerve to knock anyone for not doing it.  What the hell is that?

[dandan]

I started taking Lorcet Plus...about 2 years ago. I take 3 per day for continual back pain. One every 8 hours. Lately I have started feeling sick at my stomach....I feel afraid that my body is beginning to reject the Lorcet or maybe I need more. What should I do??? I afraid of withdrawal. Can it kill you?? I'm afraid if I talk to my Dr she will not refill my med! I guess I'm in a mess....physically AND mentally!! Any input from anyone would be great help! Thanks...B

[Patrice]

So you say you dont want to be "trashed on methadone, let me tell you sister, being on Klonopin is being TOAST.......Methadone is taken as directed gives you no high at all, and whoever told you that is a liar......Methadone has saved many people for over 30 frigging years....Get off your high horse.....BTW, you will be kicking those oxys for a LOOOOOOOOOOOg time............

[no.more.oc.please]

i wished that i had found this site before friday.
i was prescribed oxycontin in march and have since become addicted.  i was taking about 10-15 40's a day.  i was forging prescriptions to get them.  now i am in a lot of trouble and i just entered a methadone maintenance program to avoid withdrawals.  i don't want to "maintain" though.  i want to detox without the hell.  is this a bad idea?  ultimately i wanted to work on a slow detox until i could afford rapid detox.  however, my biggest fear is my chronic pain.  i was prescribed the oxycontin for a reason...now i am afraid that i will never be able to deal with my pain again.  there's not a doctor in the world that will deal with me now that i have forged prescriptions.  and the methadone works really well for my pain.  should i just stay on the methadone and work out the reasons behind my becoming an addict?  i dont' know what to do.  however, i do know that my life was perfect when i was on onxycontin before i was abusing it.  and now it's pretty good pain-wise with the methadone.  i am just stuck and looking for advise.  i would appreciate any comments anyone could give.  thanks!!

[Crystalhateshydrocodone]

Hi my names Crystal and i live in Washington State.
I'm real sorry to hear about your Oxy problem. Although i do not take oxy's(never would) I feel for you, wish i could take away your pain, but i also wish you could take away mine.
I've been addicted to Hydro's for over 3 yrs and for me detoxing is unbarable. I've recently learned about buprenex and i would like for you to punch in that word under the SEARCH column on AOL and check into it. It's a new narcotic that's comming out in Janurary on 03' and it's suppose to help with Herion patience as well as opiate dependant people. It's not all for methadone patience, but for some. I guess it depends on how high your dosage is to determine if Bup. is right for you.
Please don't just go cold turkey cause seziures are inevidable and to recieve medical attention while doing so is highly recommended.  Alot of folks don't understand the trials and tribulations that go behind detoxing and that is why i offer advice in getting help. I need to practice what i preech, but i do know that with any addiction, there is emotional baggage that tags along that WE must handle as well, or there's no need to even try.
I wish you well.

[ca9Ball]

Hi,
I have been on approx. 140 MG of Oxycontin for a few years.  I am now 20 days without in a treatment center.  Just wondering if anyone knows how long it takes to feel normal again?  I feel a lot better, but I just don't feel right?  Wondering if I ever will.
Thanks so much for any input you can offer.

[someone who cares]

Hey...I don't know if it's too late or not, since I haven't seen any recent posts from you///but there are some numbers you can call in MASS to get free help (if you have no medical insurance).  a few places are non-methodone using clinics as well.  unfortunatly i can't find what i needed.  there is a place in greenfield MASS  (western ma)  as well as in springfield that does free detox for people with no insurance..and they do not use methodone (which i have heard is not so good)  and the wait doesn't seem too long.  i hope this info helps...

[no.more.oc.please]

i quit going to the methadone clinic...i only did it for 6 days and then i quit...however, i must tell you that i REALLY underestimated the complications of coming off of narcotic medication.  since i was a chronic pain patient before the addiction problem...i am stuck without an option.  the only withdrawal symptom i am having is an unforgivable amount of pain.  i am doing every trick in the book that i know of.  warm soaks...stretching...heat pads...ice...nothing works.  i have done some looking into it and realize that i may no longer be able to produce my own natural pain killers, and everything seems way worse than i ever remember.  do you think that if i went to a different doctor and started out fresh and let that person know up front of my problems and also let them know that i am in counseling that maybe they would help me on some sort of structured basis?  i am miserable and i WILL NOT live this way.  i just need an option here.  any suggestions would be appreciated.

[kell737]

Hi there.  I  used to pst here quite often but lately I've been just reading a lot and not responding.  I've been clean from Percocet for almost 4 months now.  I was so much in your postion.  I have good news and bad news for you.   I did the forging prescriptions as well and one thing about that is when you do that kind of thing, not only is it a federal offence  it puts a "red" flag up in all pharmacies.  When you try to get a prescription filled they see that.  That DOES NOT MEAN they will not feel a legimate script for you, they will call the doctor and make sure it's not false.   It just makes things more inconvient for you (but you put yourself there) .... the good news is, you can get help for your pain.   Just because you committed this crime doesnt mean you can't get help.   You need to be honest and let the doctor know you are really in pain and you need help.   You have a right to pain free conditions (to an extent).   Don't just sit there in pain because of this, go talk to a doctor, be upfront with him about what you did and if he's any kind aof doctor he will research your problem and give you the proper care.  Good luck to you.    You have my prayers.  

~Kell

[stucklikechuck]

I take 7 to 8 Oxy's each night. I am about to run out soom, and am petrofied of whats to come on the withdrwas. Can anyone tell me what I can do, or if their is anything I can take to help with saveer withdrawls...... My time is at night and I have bad panic attacks, and cold sweats, as well as headaches. Feels like im gonna burst. I can handle everything but the panic attacks, Is there anything that can have me sleep through my withdrals? And should I go to my doctor for this issue?

[mtgoat911]

stuck, first you need to start another thread, one to call your own
this thread is 6 yrs old
i am curious to know what happened to the original poster

during detox when i was unable to sleep and melatonin and trazadone did not work
i started doing crafts, playing video games, rented lots of movies
the worse thing to do when you cant sleep is lay in the bed wishing for sleep
are you willing to goto na meetings? thats a mostor habit, not going to be cured after detox???