I need this question answered, ASAP

[OxyDout]

Hey guys, I had a huge fight with my brother last night because he lies everyday about drugs, I know hes taking percs vikes whatever he can get his hands on, and I get so pissed off.  Anyway, he told me he told his Dr. and he prescribed ridalin, as well as Concerta. I know i have seen "concerta" on this board, can someone tell me if this could be just as addictive, because I can tell you that he has been acting like he would if he was on oxy's.............. please let me know, thanks.

GWH

[skipper]

groovy:
about those new neighbors...they are just waiting for the chance
to rumble your medicine cabnet for some stray hydro-c. have a
little fun and fill up a empty (used) hydro-c bottle with ex-lax.
ya' know ya' got to put a dope fiend on the "run" right out of
the bottle. i really would rather have you clean than being the "hydro queen!"

keep an angle on shoulder
kip

[GOD]

Hey!

Stop posting, and start working!

No... Have a good day... Really..I MEAN that... Yeah.

[OxyDout]

Oh really, "just ******* with each other" we'll see about that you *****!............ well I should probably stop before I get yelled at for being stupid and not wanting to work on a friday, man I need to get out of here, I took thur. and friday or next week off so hopefully that will come quick..............

[GOD]

*You should be ashamed of your arrogant attitude. If it weren't for me, many of these posters would have already commited suicide. And since MrMichael is apparently unavailable today, I guess I am the next best thing to a Mr. Knowitall.



*to all the other posters... GWH and I are engaging in what would be called in street terminology: "******* with each other."
THere is NO actual animosity between us. In other words, we are "Kidding."

[OxyDout]

groovy I agree, I hate meetings and feel its the wrong place to be, your better off where you are..

jessesarpy, who died and made you king, "Mr. Knowitall" go back to your cube and think about what youve done.

[1fortheroad]

i tried meetings...i really did.  i didn't feel comfortable, and it just sounded like a lot of people complaining a lot, swearing and basically having a ***** session.

[WiZAhD310]

yah, you know how ritalin, and aderol are like speed??  so is concerta.  Its addictive.  personally, i trying to stop using glass (meth).  sometimes the tweakers i know will use prscription drugs when either we are too broke to get glass, or cant find any.  it sucks to be addicted to anything, but u have to let ur bro do his thing.  hes not going to listen to you anyway.  i didnt listen to people who warned me, and u prob didnt either.  
  im not sure if concerta is an actual amphetamine, but i know its an upper, and theyre cheap.  about 2-5 bucks a pill.  well, thats cheap in comparison to the **** i do..
good luck
amanda

[Tessa]

your post really hit home for me...i have everything in the world to be happy about--and i'm just NOT.  i was just pondering that very same thought yesterday,about how--was it this empty feeling that led me to drugs--or, is it because of drugs that i feel so so so so UNHAPPY!!!!   i also look at other people all the time and wonder, how the **** do they do it???!!!  just be able to be NORMAL---i don't get it....let me know if you find any answers  :)  i hope you have a good day today--- hugs to you,from me  tessa

[1fortheroad]

i do really check my words these days on the forum - don't want to upset anyone.  plus, if i'm feeling really bad, i don't want to be a downer...however...these past couple days have been hard.

i just constantly fight the feeling that something is missing.  i run around like a crazy person trying to fill some void, or i sink into a novel where i can really lose myself.  i can't put my finger on what my problem is.  i always seems to have a feeling of unease.  maybe part of it is the packing/moving stuff - that's stressful for anyone.

i look at my neighbors - very yuppie, well-to-do "normal" types...and i wonder if they EVER have the same thought i do.  they must right?  it just seems that so many people lead happy lives...from all angles mine should be happy - standing back and looking at it, i think i should be very happy.  are all these doubts and questions and emptiness the lack of drugs talking?  or, have i always felt this way which is what lead me to the drugs?  i can't remember specifics....

anyhow....you asked for it...hahahaha.   hope you are well:)

[GOD]

You gals hit the same situation I have experienced MANY times in my life:

I used to look at Friends, and neighbors and say, "What the hell are they so damned happy about?!" "Can I ever be NORMAL or HAPPY in this life?"

I don't kow if the drugs & Alcohol "Filled" this void, or helped create it... But, I do know one thing: I can get rid of this damned lonely void if I STOP thinking about myself and start helping others. Whether you volunteer some time at a charity, post to others who need some help or kind words on this board, or just TRY an AA or NA meeting--- TRUST ME, you WILL feel better afterwards. All it takes is to step OUT of yourself. The Insidious "ME" always craves attention, and wants results imediately. step OUT of your "ME" for a little while, and you will be surprised to find those dark thoughts dissapearing....

Happy new day to you all,
Jess

[skipper]

groovy:
i'ld rather hear more from you, but i'll take what i can get! that way i have with putting things...some of it is inate (ya' know i am a word addict)...some of it is expierence dealing with really dangeriously unstable people (of which i was one) during my Speed days. that was a long time ago. kip was always a good person to have around when the police showed up, as i could talk a cop right out of an apartment full of drugs while his buddy Harry the Hood was swinging a hammer around and yelling at 90 words per minute! i am glad those days are over--now i can be politically uncorrect and stuff like that.

how are you...and i don't want to hear about your new house or the kids... i want to hear whats down in your guts. talk to me like were both the fragile ego maniacks with the inferiority complex we are. i really have missed you posting more. i know your busy, and
life is full of challenges of recovery, but i really do miss groovy the hopped up hydro queen sometimes!

it is good to hear even a little bit.
keeep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[skipper]

groovy:
i'ld rather hear more from you, but i'll take what i can get! that way i have with putting things...some of it is inate (ya' know i am a word addict)...some of it is expierence dealing with really dangeriously unstable people (of which i was one) during my Speed days. that was a long time ago. kip was always a good person to have around when the police showed up, as i could talk a cop right out of an apartment full of drugs while his buddy Harry the Hood was swinging a hammer around and yelling at 90 words per minute! i am glad those days are over--now i can be politically uncorrect and stuff like that.

how are you...and i don't want to hear about your new house or the kids... i want to hear whats down in your guts. talk to me like were both the fragile ego maniacks with the inferiority complex we are. i really have missed you posting more. i know your busy, and
life is full of challenges of recovery, but i really do miss groovy the hopped up hydro queen sometimes!

it is good to hear even a little bit.
keeep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[1fortheroad]

you have such a way of putting things...makes me laugh - makes me think.  you call it the way you see it without making people defensive...can you give me lessons on that?

[skipper]

gwh:
hey buddy, besides your brother how is it going? after taking last week off and fall semester starting i'm going a dozen different ways. man i feel upside down and inside out and have not been anywhere near old jones...i'll try to post about my **** later!

now listen close this time (i've told you this before).
rule #1 of addiction: not everyone afflicted will with addiction
will live thru it.
rule #2: even if addiction has not killed you, that doesn't mean
you will ever find recovery!

if you love your brother (and i'm sure you do) let him be. you've
already spoke your piece, so say a prayer and let go of it! it's
not a good idea to do intervention stuff on family or someone you
have used with (got you on both of those bub!). perhaps you could intoduce your brother to some friends in recovery. they may be able to get through to him, as you are obviously not. so for christ's sakes, let it be! your brother will come around in his
own time and way...not yours.

take the time to love yourself. and remember i'm going to love every hard case (especially you today!) this forum has to offer,
and there isn't a ******* thing you can do about it!

your life and recovery goes on weather your brothers does or not!
i know all this **** with your brother is some real hard cheese,
but you just have to let go...at least for the time being!


keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[Kritty]

hey-

Its ok to be pissy, ****! right now we are all struggling through the worst times in our lives. Hang in there sweetie you have a whole life to live. I will pray for you :) Once I did hear that if you pray for others and not yourself things happen. However, if you just pray for yourself, suppossedly nothing happens. Keep it in mind.. Take care of yourself and I wish you happiness in your relationship.


yours truly,
T

[kell737]

Hi. As far as me telling you not to be pissed at him ... I was referring to what you said ..........>Hey guys, I had a huge fight with my brother last night because he lies everyday about drugs, I know hes taking percs vikes whatever he can get his hands on, and I get so pissed off........      You SAID you get so pissed off.  Thats why I said what I said.   Hope your day is going well.  (Have no clue what kritty meant about being jealous)  Good luck

~kell

[OxyDout]

I pray all the time, but i'm starting to think that if you want something done, or you want to change then you need to do it, because praying hasn't really gotten me anywhere........... I don't know......... no offense taken by your post, i have been in one of my "pissy" moods.............

[Kritty]

I am sorry if I was not correct, however, I did say correct me if I am wrong. Is your brother older or younger? That may help but it is obvious you love him very much and want to see the best for him. I too get caught up with family issues and forget about me. You have been doing so well and you need to continue that road as for your brother he will listen when he is ready. My family drove me crazy forever telling me I had a problem and I would deny it. What I did do was pray that god would help me stop, everynight for months and it worked. If you believe in god I would pray for him as well as I will pray for your brother.

Again, sorry if I upset you that was not my intention. :)

youre truly,
T

[OxyDout]

thanks for the info, thats what i"m starting to gather........

We live under the same roof, and I get very irritable because he becomes very talkative, very energetic, loving etc. so that he is so noticable its ridiculous.  I want to be happy for him but it sucks because I know hes all doped up.......... so I think your right, we need a little space, but oh well, hes my brother, i love him to death, i just have to deal with him.

[A-Factor]

They are the same thing!  Both methylphenidate.

Concerta is simply extended-released Ritalin.  The tablets look like pellets of rabbit food though.....

[ChiTownGirl]

Do you live with your brother?   How often do you guys talk?  If he makes you this angry, try not to communicate with him for awhile, I know this sounds harsh, but in terms of our sobriety we sometimes have to stay away from people that are using or limit our time with family members in order to get our lives straightened out.

I for one, try not to speak to my mother too much, she aggravates the hell out of me along with my sister.  They both are very critical of everything I do.  I can never seem to make them realize that I am an adult and need to be left alone to run my life, my way, ya know?

Space might just be the thing you two need right now, especially since you are sober and your brother isnt.  It puts a strain on the relationship, please remember though that your brother really isnt your brother right now, he is acting under the influence of the drugs in his system, I am sure he is a totally different person when he is sober, right?  

Family relationships are a real challenge and are very difficult to accept, mine is very disfunctional and I get mad at all of em alot.

[OxyDout]

I'm not sure if I said something to imply that I was both jealous and not understanding of him...... but I must have since you both hit on those subjects.  I also have been addicted to drugs just like you and am just beginning the rehab process so I TO know what its like so I am understanding to a point.  IF one addict is speaking to another addict and they both know how untruthful they can be then don't you think that person (my brother) should know better and tell me the truth......................

Secondly, I was addicted to Opiates, not ridalin so no I'm NOT JEALOUS, so in both cases the answer is NO.  I'm supportive and by no means envy where my brother is...................

The point is and continues to be, WE ARE BOTH ADDICTS, he knows I know him inside and out, so why go through all the bullshit, why not tell me the truth when I'm there for him? Its not like hes telling my mother or father, hes telling me, his brother, who was worse then him........... I hope you now understand my point.

AS far as him really having ADD, well to be honest he has ADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD hes awful, but he over medicates to get the hi, I told him last night, hes just replacing one habit for another......

[SmokethisVette]

Hey there...
I know that the med Concerta is definately used for ADHD...my thoughts about it being addictive are that it probably IS!! As with any med that is used to treat ADD and ADHD...I have first hand experience with the ADD/ADHD thing because my little cousin is that and a whole bunch of other things!! He has been diagnosed with being Bi-polar..ADD and ADHD....suicidal and anything else you could imagine (the list goes on and on)!! I will tell you though GWH...that you need to catch him when he is sober...well at least try...and sit down with him and try to help him like he helped you? I am not sure if he is willing or if he is so far gone that he won't relate...but it is WORTH a shot!! It is hard, I know, but you love him, right? Well then sit him down and LAY IT ALL OUT FOR HIM!!! Set him straight...tell him that you are no dummy and that you know what he is doing!! I wanted to know if you guys are living under the same roof? If you are not...this whole thing may be a little harder than if you were living together!! Let me know...actually let all of us know what is going on...keep us posted and I will pray for him...so that he may see the light!!!!! Laters
Christine

[Kritty]

hi- I just would like to ask a few questions.

Does your brother truly have ADHD or ADD? I am asking this because from my experience working in the field. People who do not have ADHD or ADD will get very high from ritalin or concerta because the brain does not need to be balanced. A person whom takes this med and does not need it will be productive, happy, alert, etc. However, someone who needs it will be normal. Just an example, I take Zoloft for depression because I need it and one day my roommate took one for the hell of it and she felt like ****! Why? because she was not depressed nor did she have a chemical balance.

Anyway, I am not sure of your story nor your brothers, however, he may be clean and is using this as a subsitute or he is not. I am not sure only you will really know. I do think and correct me if I am wrong you being upset is a form of jealously. I did read your post the other day and you are having a tough time. I went through and still going through the same thing. I would love to take a vicodin and I am jealous of my dads wife who is on them for herniated discs. BUT I know I cannot control it. Remember that you are doing the right thing. If you can be there for your brother and remember the two of you are from the same household and are trying to get rid of emotional pain. Ask him to go to a meeting with you. But remember you need to take care of you! Remember the declaration of self esteem "I am me and I am okay".
Only you can do this! Jealously is a shitty thing, however, it is not healthy.If you want to e-mail me you can sweetie I am here for you.  ***@****

Take care of you, T