I would like to know if the wisemann method works for methadone abuse?>

[danny0531]

I have been on methodaone for 4 years and I am having a really hard time getting off of it.  I'm considering doing a medical detox, but it's really expensive and my insurance dosen't cover it.  I would like to know if anyone out their has had success with this.

If not are there any other avenues I could look at so I can finally kick this habit.

[SableZen]

Well here's the deal...

They can rapidly detox you... In a hospital and under general anesthesia. There is a chance of dying. There is a bigger risk of other complications. It's not an easy process on the brain as an organ, and body in general, to be put into that intense of an episode of antagonist mediated precipitated withdrawal.

You will likely survive it (not guaranteed). But the odds are in your favor if you intentionally want to gamble with your life and health when you don't have to.

And it still doesn't address addiction. You will still be addicted to an opiate. Just not in physical withdrawal.

I would think of it like putting your life on the line to not have to experience a flu for two weeks. Because it won't even address the emotional/psychological/mental/behavioral aspect that is usually the worst part of addiction for most people.

I personally think Dr Waismann won't be practicing medicine for much longer. And for good reason.

My personal opinion only.

[avisg]

hereis an acritice on ripid detox ...also just so you know it can cost any where from 7,000 to 10,000 to do    

The dangers of rapid-detox drug treatment
The Ontario Coroner's Office is investigating a second death connected to a chain of drug treatment clinics that offer a a highly controversial treatment that has divided addiction experts. So-called "rapid detox" treatment uses a cocktail of medications to speed through the withdrawl process while the patient remains under sedation. As part of the procedure, the patient is implanted with a pellet of the opate antagonist Naltrexone to prevent them from having intense cravings or obtaining any "high" from opiates once the treatment is complete.

At first glance this sounds like it could be a great procedure -- why suffer through weeks of withdrawl symptoms when you can get through the worst of it in a few hours while unconcious? However, some experts claim it is biologically impossible to fast-track withdrawal and that the dangers of the procedure are not worth the potential payoff.

The Toronto Star has a very detailed investigation in to the latest death, including a lot of background information on the procedure for those who may be curious about pursuing it. It looks to be somewhat of a last-resort option, but it seems to me it won't do you much good being clean if there's a good chance that you'll die in the process

[Penelope14]

As desperate as I was to get off methadone this was never the path I would have gone down, & I dont believe this would work as well for methadone addiction, as methadone has such a long half life, it,s been 55 days or so since I had my last dose of methadone & I still have some mild issues that may take many more months to recover from, theirs only one sure safe way to detox from methadone & thats to titrate down to a low enough dosage & jump off, Im a baby when it comes to detoxing so I went down real slow, it took a year to go from 90mgs down to 1mg & even doing it this way was tough, but most symtoms went away after a few weeks. If you can endure some hard times for a few weeks you to can do this, it just takes time. Penelope

[lillybuttrfly]

well on for 31/2 years from 1-3 pills  (10milli) a day then the last 6 months down to 1/2 but that didnt for me anyway mean **** how much and how little i was taking that 2nd day off feels like duke!!  so went to a doctor (not the one that got us hooked but a family doctor who looked at us with a heart and some compassion. we still had to function and work so he gave us a patch called   kolonadine  It works good and the withdraws sucked but not like coldturkey.  made it much easier.  then after the treatment was done felt great for all of 2 days.  then the withdraw symptons seems to be back.  your legs ache and crawl.  And the depression and doom i felt and still feel is horrible.  lots of anxiety but it is getting a "little'" better.  as for medical help good luck finding a doctor that gives a ****.  it took at least 7 doctors and to find someone that would help us get off what they got us on.  no heads up about major side effects of serious addiction issues.  I hadnt done opiates before.  didnt know the risk and quite frankly doctors dont care.  At least in my experience.  find a doctor that will write a script for the patch $21  no rehab no methadone clinic.  it worked well with any addictions.  I just wish i knew when all of the withdraws with finally end.  and I dont mean wanting to do it again just when will i feel normal.  or just ok.  good luck not to discourage but there are options and you can do it, but Im learning from this website that there is an end in site.  sometimes 3,7months up to 1to 2 years.  but at least there is an end.  stay strong i know i try daily but time heals and detoxes.  

[Bre333]

To quote:
"Well here's the deal...

They can rapidly detox you... In a hospital and under general anesthesia. There is a chance of dying. There is a bigger risk of other complications. It's not an easy process on the brain as an organ, and body in general, to be put into that intense of an episode of antagonist mediated precipitated withdrawal.

You will likely survive it (not guaranteed). But the odds are in your favor if you intentionally want to gamble with your life and health when you don't have to.

And it still doesn't address addiction. You will still be addicted to an opiate. Just not in physical withdrawal.

I would think of it like putting your life on the line to not have to experience a flu for two weeks. Because it won't even address the emotional/psychological/mental/behavioral aspect that is usually the worst part of addiction for most people.

I personally think Dr Waismann won't be practicing medicine for much longer. And for good reason.

My personal opinion only. "

Here are all your errors.

1. You (or anyone taking Methadone) have agreater risk of dying using Methadone than going under anesthesia.
2.You will not be addicted to any opiates, nor will you be in a physical withdrawal. The opiate receptors are cleansed of the opiates, and at a very rapid pace, thus avoiding the withdrawal.
3. It does address the issue, the issue is the physical dependancy of opiates. You will no longer need the opiates to "function" after the procedure. It's a matter of both your body and mind adjusting to a non-opiate state.
4.They do address the psychological components of addiction. They have a intensive 6 week follow up and also an after care center where you get therapy, drug and alcohol counseling, anger management, acupuncture and exercise.
and
5. There is no "Dr.Waismann" in California.

To SableZen: you sound like a bitter fatalist, a catastrophizer and a bit jealous of those who are blessed enough to go through this procedure. Research your facts before you try to give out your humble"opipion".  

[january43]

Do you know how Waisman addresses the very long life of absorption of methadone?
It's my understanding that methadone is stored in the body-perhaps fat cells? though thats just something I read on detox forums and not the best place for medical knowledge
I understand that the opiate receptors are cleansed during the period of withdrawal under sedatation but what about that is called the 'half-life'  which is sort of a strange phrase but useful.
Appreciate your post above.  Sometimes I get very upset at the 'rattle shakers and boo-hooers' that haven't constructive things to post.
January43

[Bre333]

Yes, it does adress that issue. Instead of having the remainding opiates deplete from you receptor sites, they (after flushing them out) will also fill and "block" them off, kinda like putting them:out of business. This works for both cravings and for any remainding opiates prevented from permeating through the blood/brain barrier.

[Bre333]

Yes, the Waismann Method treats the hioghest levels of Methadone in the country, believe me, my frined was on 500mg.-Methadone.

[theeagle]

The Waissman method should work as well on methadone as on some other drugs .... lets see - no other drug aside from Sub has methadones profile. Oh well. I was also on methadone and had to get off by myself. Wasnt fun and took a long time - but I did it. After rapid detox - have you read about the reality of PAWS. It is real. You were on meth 4 years? Does it make sense to you that they can miraculously detox you in a weekend? How dangerous do you think this extremely rapid change has on your body? See research done in Canada that links the rapid detox shock to several deaths while in treatment. There is no painless easy fix for addiction. Save Wiseman for the last bullet!

[theeagle]

Refer to post by BABYDOLL called Post Detox ---- she has just finished the W method ....real eye opener -------   its not a perfect procedure yet...

[theeagle]

Most of Waissmans method of taking care of you post detox is to implant a narcane chip in your body to theoretically stop craving. Narcane hasnt really worked when first used in that manner with Talwin way back and even suboxone / subutex (whichever) to stop people from using it recreationally....... some whackos think the little narcane bump you get when abusing those meds actually adds to the high!  But they sniff paint thinner also ............ and at some point they may have anaphylactic reactions to the mix - but they will deal with that when it occurs .......

[Bre333]

hey,
waismann does NOT use the narcan implant. they use oral revia that can be taken once daily for up to  months. the implant has not been approved by the fda yet. there are other rapid detox's that use it but not waismann. their follow up consists of 3x weekly phone therapy sessions for six weeks....

[Lynn79]

Have you had this procedure done?  Is that why you are advocating for it, because you went through it and are still alive?  Because other people on this site, and everywhere in the world, have gone through it and are NOT well.  The procedure completely devoids your receptors of all chemicals, even the ones that you need.  One person described the procedure as feeling like your emotions are being sucked out of you.  It does nothing except leave an empty hole in your wallet.  I would imagine this to be just a newer form of the lobotomy procedure patients went through in the 60's, you know, when doctors thought THAT was an acceptible form of treatment.  Unbelievable what contemporary medicine will do for a fast dollar, including capitalizing on the propensity for addicts to seek a quick fix.

[Bre333]

No, I have not gone through the procedure but do advocate for it as a drug and alcohol counselor.  I see the Waismann Method constantly helping people live regular lifes again, not in the prision of a methadone clinic or even worse, dead. See- the risks of a detox with Waismann are little, and is worth it as compared to risking your life on methdone or any other narcotic. (see a sad website www.oxyabusekills.com )  I refer people to them all the time. I recieve follow ups, and almost everyone seems to greateful and doing well. When you speak of comparing a rapid detox to a prefontal lobotomy, well, i'm not sure you're informed on either one. A rapid detox simply uses a non-mood altering, non-narcotic opiate antagonist(and no, not narcan) that is specificly designed to push out the opiates at the site. When peole feel devoid of emotions, that's because it is a very acute stage of hyper-sensitivity caused by the lack of endorphines in your body. See, you body, after the long term use of opiates, learns to recognize the opiates for endorphins, your natural feel good pain relievers. After long term use of opiates, your body simply stops making endorphins. Now when you undergo a rapid detox, you have neither. Hence, the feeling of fatigue. Make sense? Either way, I see hear alot of people complaining about them and I just don't know why. If you were to do this on your own, would it feel any better?

[Lynn79]

That makes sense, that your body is devoid of both natural endorphins and opiates after rapid detox.  It just seems that the people with horror stories wonder why they feel the way they do, which makes me wonder if the process was ever explained to them.  Are they told what the process will do, before they do it?  I wanted to have this done so bad, until I found out how much it cost, which is the only reason I didn't do it.  But I'm wondering how long it takes after having it done, for your body to resume its production of natural chemicals, and for the patient to feel some relief.  This after-feeling seems to be the only drawback of this procedure.

[Bre333]

So, yeah, I'm not sure if everything is explained as throughly as possible, but I would assume so.