Ibogaine

[Bodymechanic]

Ibogaine is rumored to be a permanant biochemical "cure" for drug and alcohol addiction. The is very little information available about ibogaine therapy.  Treatments are available in England and in Mexico. They are very expensive. Is ibogaine a helpful tool in addiction treatment or just a cruel scam for those of us who are desperate for a long term solution to our drug problem?

My apologies for using up both questions today. I have been looking for this information for a long time. It is very hard to find.

Bodymechanic

[theGolden1]

I agree .... I guess I want an easy way out, but it would just be prolonging the whole thing. I am supposed to have surgery on my foot after xmas .... I will need to use pain killers. What can I do? How long can you take them before addiction sets in?

[groovygirl]

I don't know what you meant about "flying pain" or mental pain...I just know that if you substitute Vicodin for Ultram, you are just going to have another addiction on your hands.  Of course you could quit the Ultram more quickly if you took Vicodin, but what good would come out of that?

[theGolden1]

I am sorry to ask ... and hope I am not being too personal, but I thought I read a post of yours saying you were taking ultram and vicodin. I had a bout of "obsessive thinking" while taking vicodin for hand surgery. I don't know what happened, but I saw something "graphic" on tv and I just couldn't get it out of my head. It went on for days. Then I realized, it was the drugs. I stopped immediately. I had some ultram and switched ... but decided to stay on the lowest possible dose. I felt alot better. My question to you is .... why are you using both? They are interchangable, but could you comment on the difference? I thought the vicodin was more "mental" and this is more physical. (flying pains) Also ... I appreciate this forum and everyone here. I have been successful in cutting my dose of ultram 25mil.(from 3 pills a day to 2 1/2 pills a day) I've had a mild reaction so far, and today is day 5. I have thought about raising the dose again ... but because I found this place ... I want to keep going, slowly of coarse. If I had some vicodin, I could go alot faster on getting off ultram ... but I think I might just be fooling myself ....

[mrrstracy]

I your recent posts, I have really seen a caring heart. I have also lashed out at you, not considering what you might be going through. I guess that's the nature of the demon. I don't want you to go anywhere. You have alot to offer everyone here, including me (if I'd shut up and listen once LOL!). And for anyone that doesn't agree with this I have one comment. If we expect to be forgiven, then we MUST forgive others.

You can email me if you'd like at ***@****

I promise I won't beat you up too much (just kidding!!)
email me anytime really.

Group Hug!! Tracy

[groovygirl]

Thanks you guys...you really amaze me with your willingness to forgive.  

Woke up to grey skies and drizzle.  Right after the clock changes in the fall and it starts to get dark early, I really feel it.  I guess I have that seasonal disorder SAD.  I belong in Aruba...not MA.

Does this happen to anybody else?

[LizzyM]

You're funny...I like your sense of humor!  Can I watch??  LOL

[Bodymechanic]

Yes Mariposa...you have been a bad girl...I think Bodymechanic is going to have to give you....a spanking

[vikequeen]

The drugs make us have mood swings to begin with and we have to deal with our monthly hell too aren't we lucky lol peace to you all tonight, LOve Badd

[groovygirl]

Oh baby! hahahaha

[LizzyM]

That's what this forum is for...forgiveness..right?  I'm here if you ever have a bad day and you can ***** to me all you want..I will never take it personally..hell, I have no idea how my mom, sis, and hubby have put up with my mood swings while going through this..especially during that time of the month!!  LOL

[groovygirl]

Wow - thank you...after everything that's been going on, I didn't expect to even get 1 positive response let alone 2!  I really appreciate you guys just letting it be water under the bridge.  I am really having a hard time right now, and this forum has really helped me....I will try my hardest to keep the peace!

[vikequeen]

Mariposa, go to your room lol you have been a badgirl, just kidding , I for one don't want you to leave, you mix it up a little at times but, I think you should stay and just behave, I have read your apology and although you have done nothing to me personally, feelings get hurt we are all human, so I hope others will join me in asking you to stay. Let bygones be bygones and water under the bridge, I am a lover not a fighter lol Love Baddgirl

[LizzyM]

Please don't leave.  I have never read a bad post from you?  You have HELPED me so much the past couple of weeks with your support and advice.  Just because one person has a problem with you doesn't mean that everyelse does too.  And this forum is a place to come and talk when you are angry, upset, sad and emotional..you get my point.  I think some people are TOO sensitive when they are going through their withdrawals and say things they don't mean.  C'mon people, we are all adults here..let's all get along and if someone needs to vent., let them vent!  Mariposa, everyone here at this forum had some sort of addiction or is still addicted.  So, I know I get all emotional sometimes and I can be a real b--ch getting off these drugs. You vent in writing, I vent face to face to my husband..he understands..why can't this so called woman who e-mailed you back with a nasty response understand? If you want to vent..then vent.  And if people take it personally, well then they are reading into your words too much.  You probably don't even know these people personally..so how can they JUDGE you from your posts on this Forum? Anyway, I have seen you support many people here including myself.  I VOTE FOR YOU TO STAY!!!  Please stay here..we need you...lizzy

[groovygirl]

I think this is important, and this question is directed toward members of this, and only this, forum.

After emailing someone, who I thought asked me to email her today, I received a scathing reply telling me she would no longer come here because of me.  

Listen, I was sincere in my apology to all of you, and I've been trying to keep my posts light and non-threatening.  I am really not an evil person...I am a troubled person with an addiction problem.  I am depressed and angry.  Through therapy, I have addressed some things, which have made me very angry...this overwhelming feeling has come out here and it shouldn't have.  My emotions come out in my writing, and it sucks because you cannot hear a person'a tone, read their body language or anything throught writing.  Plus, if you don't know the person, it is easy to just write them off as being an *******.  I really feel terrible for ever having caused any of you even one moment of feeling badly.

I can see that I could apologize until the cows come home, but not everyone is going to forgive me.  That being said, I will leave the forum for good if it will be the best thing for everyone.  I won't lurk, I won't come here at all.

If it's the general consensus that I should leave, I will leave in peace.