Im starting the recipe..got some Q's.....

[erotisy]

Hey everyone...HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!! I gotta tell you, I'm sooo excited , I'm really gonna do it. I want it more than the first time..and that first time I went 4 days cold turkey..(hell)..so I think I'm really gonna pull thru!!! Anyways....I'm gonna do it with this recipe, but I've been back on my Wellbutrine..its a anti-depresant. In the directions for it, it says don't take L-Tyrosine with a SSRI.(serotonin reuptake inhibitor), like prozac,Effexor,paxil..any psychiatric mood elevators.... HUH???
Does that mean I should stay away from the "wellbu." until I'm done with detox??? AND.... How long do I do the recipe? I'm scared I might think its over, but its not..its happened before. So let me know ok? The point about having hot bath ready at all times is sucky...WHAT A TIME FOR MY HEATING ELEMENT TO BRAKE IN MY HOT WATER HEATER....ahhhhh......I'll boil the damn water if I  have to,,,,haha... I'm doing this come hell or high water!!!!  I'm starting as soon as I get the **** for it.. so let me know what you can..a.s.a.p......thanks, EROTISY

[Durty]

I had the same L-tyrosine concern as i take paxil as well.  I just started a new tapper down which will last about 20 days to get me to zero.  I've done it this way before and made it successfully --- but the last 3 times relapsed after 4-6 weeks clean - so guess wasn;t so successful.  Anyway, I kept taking the paxil and took 2500mg Tryosine during the process and didn't notice or have any problems.  I'm no doctor, just telling you what I did.

I have a QUESTION maybe someone can answer:  I take Zydone which is Hydro/tylenol.  Is hydro, hydro? I mean, would this be the same as the hydro in vicodin or others like it.  Just curious.  

Happy New year all - durty on way to clean again

[monalisa]

I assume that hydro is hydrocodone. My doctor gave me Norco and didn't tell me what it was. I called the pharmacy and sure enough it was hydrocodone/tylenol. I never filled the prescription, because I just wanted off the hydrocodone. I guess you can look at it as more withdrawing ahead with a slower wean. It depends on what you can handle. Happy New Year. To better times!!!

[skipper]

hey people:
wellbotrine and l-tyrosine are well tolerated togather. Welbutrine
is not an SSRI.
started a detox dec 31 and am now in day 3. what a way to start the
new year! don't know how long it will last, but will see.
keep an angel on your shoulder!

[erotisy]

I CAN'T tell my dr. anything!! I just cant. I usually can find anything, (streets), but that  sounds like a hard one.. I'll see what I can do. By the way I do have a script of valuim.. its a mild one but I've taken it before Jonezen..it helped alittle. Ya,i hope everything will work out, Im sick and tired of being sick and tired..............erotisy

[alchemist]

Sorry to bust in on the thread.  But I keep seeing the term "jonesing" what does it mean?

[Telby]

It's an old junkie term, means to crave drugs, or often the term used for when withdrawl starts.  Don't know where it came from but it's been around a long time.  A drug "Jones" Telby

[erotisy]

keep up the good work skipper!! I'm here if you need to vent or talk !!  As for my Question with taking the recipe/wellbutrine....THANKS A MILLION....Ok so the only thing I'm waiting for is to find out if I should taper down my doses then start the recipe...or do both.. let me know....Jezzzz I'm starting to get really scared about trying to detox again.. Its like making your self jump in a pit of fire..either you'll come out ok..or you really get burned...I'm trying but that little devil inside my head is fuckin with me again....talk to all u later......love erotisy

[skipper]

Erotisy:
if fear is causing you to have second thoughts, then it's time to
stop listening. Ya want fear calling all the main "shots?"

add to your detox material a Rx of klonipam. even if your using
anotber benzo to sleep. klonipam will give it's user a sense of
"wellbeing." Just the thing to ward off panis attacks that always hit ya' square in the guts! In fact klonipam is the only benxo i've been taking.
monday night was like dante's enferno.cold burning flesh and gut
cramps were the feature.my wife and i watched sci. fi channels
marriathon of "Twilight Zone." i don't know if that was the best mood setter!
yesterday felt much better. i was even able to eat soup for sup-
per.
today i have this sensation of waking up from a narcotic coma. i'm
still the same person as when i'm stoned except i'm mot as "nice"
(as my wife puts it). she seems pleased to have the real "me" back
for  however long.
best of luck with any who attempt a detox-remeber attitude is the
only thing we actually have control of

keep an angel on your shoulder!
kip

[erotisy]

well your doin good I see.. Do I have to get a script for that klo.. thingy?
one of the things differant we have, is me and my hubby get along AWSOME when I'm on stuff.. Its me I know!! I'ts like I talk myself into feeling better about my life, marriage, everything when I'm on stuff. Thats the big thing I need to overcome..not just the addiction. I'm scared of loosing my marriage when its all said and down, ya know? It hasnt been that great for awhile... but when I'm on stuff, its like were all better, good sex, we talk alot, do stuff together... we need to work on our problems not hide them..I know all this already.. its a matter of just dealing with it all....erotisy

[alchemist]

were is the other forum that you mentioned?

[skipper]

SSFR:
such a pleasure to hear fromy you on any forum! I agree completely
with you about klonipin (or any other benzo) being dangeriously
addictive. detox and common sense must travel togather to reach
a positive outcome.

about you SSFR:
i seem to recall something about you and detox. if i'm right, how's
it going? I'm in day four of too many mg. of oxy 3 times day detox. the only bad night was new years eve.i felt like something out of
Dante's Inferno. it only lasted 5 hours. the rest has been so easy
i keep waiting for the other shoe to drop. best of luck with your
detox, if you are doing one.
now you should know enough to keep an angel on your shoulder!
kip
ps tell all the people who migrated to the new forum--i really miss
them--wish we could get more than an occasional comununication from
them!

[skipper]

sorry to depart soo qick but old "opium jones" just blew a force 9
gale into my colon. is this the best he's got for day 4? plan on
waiting till daylight to walk "meaty-boy my overweight Keeshound.
this breed of dog thrives on cold weather (no shortage of that
here!). poor boy's had his nose in the air a week before it came.
one man's curse....
love and need you all
keep an angel on you shoulder
kip

[erotisy]

ok so it looks like my vallium won't do the trick huh? Do you think I could get the klon. script by using another reason? Is it only given for detox or things like that?
Thank you guys alot!!! all this info, and support does wonders for my head these days. Your very right about me being scared, I feel like I'm about to go down a huge roller-coaster with no seat belt on..
I'll be checkin in later..thanks again.
P.S. I think my angels on my shoulder is all of you people!!!!!

[Telby]

Well a walk in the cold with the pooch will definatly let you know if the dragon is with you.  Best of luck and please know that you are my hero.  love, Telby

[skipper]

Erotisy:
valume will work very well. It's nice to have both, but one or the
other is beter than nothing! the first couple nights will be rough,
but stick to the zink, b complex, anf l- tyrosine, and the rest is
pretty easy.(ha,ha)
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[skipper]

Telby:
i always know when jones is around-see he doesn't take a bath-
hates the feelin of water on his skin! let me tell ya it was like
6 below zero! Dutch (meaty-boy) loved it. he is already looking
like he's ready for the afternoon walk. i return to work next mon-
day. the Thursday after see the pain Doc. we'll just have to see..

keep an angel on your shoulder

kip

[butterbeans]

Don't let the drug control your reactions and interactions with your husband. I did that. You will make a bad mistake.  If he loves you, and you know it, confide in him and ask for help.  If you aren't sure he can handle it, seek outside treatment. I have been there and have hurt so much from my mistake!
Love butterbeans

[erotisy]

my hubby knows my problem.. he's very supportive. ok here's the real deal no sense in hiden it any more, my hubby is disabled. He suffers from chronic back pain..he's got 3 crushed vertabrae, he will and is medicated for life.. he's due for back surgery this year.. so the real poop is I started taken oxy's, with him when I had my hysterectomy..it helped the pain..UNREAL!! I was addicted. I've had a hard time with my health the last 3-4 years, cancer, 4 surgerys..then hysterectomy, foot surgery,(due for another foot surgery next month..ANYWAYS!!! He knows I'm hooked, I came sooo close to stealing his med.'s many times. we all know how withdrawls are.. but I got most of my supply on the streets. So there...huh???? He's been great with helping me. Its alot harder knowing there in the house all the time, and when I'm jonezen..I feel like i hate him cuz I know he's on oxy's...ya know?? he need's it really bad and its not right for me to abuse it.. its people like me that ruin it for the ones who need it.. he's lookin into a pump..well everyone who reads this and knows my story..well there's more to it than you thought huh?.....lol
ok so I spilled the beans..........erotisy

[skipper]

Erotisy:
a junky's life is usuall never as it appears to be. you have done
no wrong for thinking what you've thought!welcome to the forum,
ther is always room for one more junky!
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[Telby]

Your beans are no different then everyone elses.  We all have our secrets and our guilt, but we also know the way it breaks your heart.  I am very glad to see you posting.  You have not said one single thing that is shocking or that sounds outragious.  We all need each other for support and understanding and when you can't stand your self anymore there will be people who are strong enough that day to give you the strength you need.  Then the next day you'll give it back to someone else in need.  I don' envy you having someone with a supply of oxycontin in the house, that would keep me up nights for sure.  I give you a lot of credit for all that you've been through and yet your not giving up - that makes you very brave in my book.  Please stay on line and with us because as Skipper says " we needs you"   much love, Telby

[Durty]

Hate to bust in..  Kip.. your gale 9 force had me rolling! Thanks.  I'm on day 4 of my tapper down.  The first jump was the big one.  Went from 150 hydro to 75 hydro for 3 days, then drop 1 every other day till zip.  Done it this way 3 times before as I can't handle the cold turkey.  Anyway, when I start he tapper and do the big first drop off, I get a head cold to kill for.  I mean feels like someone trying to push my eyes out from the inside, congested head, etc.  I don;t get the craps much just the damm head cold congestion that kicks my ass. Anyone else get this?  This all part of the w/d?     I'd actually take the Gale 9 Force than deal with this head ****.  Thanks all,  Durty (getting clean)

[Telby]

Oh yeah, my eyes pour my nose runs and I get this awful **** in my throat.  Opiates dry you out so the withdrawls cause the opposite effect.  I don' get the diareha (sp) that others get but the cold chills and muscle pain are horrible.  Water hurts, air hurts, and unfortunatly being touched hurts.  Do check the detox receipe that Thomas has posted on the other board.  In a nutshell, its B Complex with L-tyrosine - around 4,000mg. of the L-Tyrosine with the B a day.  Our poor brains think their dying when we take the opiates away so vitamins and supplemnts give our brains a glimmer of hope, and us to.  Best of luck and try to get some sleep when you can.  love, Telby

[Durty]

I'm heavy on the recipe. It helps a good bit.  I get so tired of being sick and tired that one day I hope I will actually be so sick and tired of being sick and tired and stay off.

[erotisy]

wow..that helped alot.. I guess i needed alittle "lift" today. Ya its gonna be HELL trying to sober up with hubby having it, but I keep thinking If I can do it, then it will just help me deal with it everywhere..its like it will keep me strong..(i hope).. but i'm doin it!!!! I want this to much to give up. I have way to much **** to take care of ya know?
I gotta say, everyday its getting harder and harder to cut back. its the tempation that killing me. I'm on 1/2 in the morning and 1/2 around supper. It used to be a whole in am..a whole at pm.. so Im slowly gettin there.. its hard when I have a bad day, not to just take an extra. But I'm gonna start the recipe soon, and I made a promise to myself once I start that....I'M DONE... I'll need alot of you to help, I know you will be there..thanks
better go..its gonna be along night....erotisy

[skipper]

about withdrawal:
1)many junkys exhibit "allergy/ashama" type symptoms. i'm not sure
wich antihistimine (certainly not benedryll!!!!!)could help
2) gut wrenching, spastic, balled up in fetal position (i favor
this one!)
3)3-4 days of lethergy and just feeling "off." this one's common
for me because when i go off stuff my neck pain really kicks in.
maybe high levels of pain short circuit the abstinence process
from taking a front seat in the "drama" of the "opium jonest thea-
ter."
hope i don't see any of you at the show today
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[Captain Codone]

It seems that everyone is going through the same sort of hell. I wish everyone the best of luck!!! I am on my forth day; cold turkey, and it is a $#%$&. My main withdrawl is the flu like symptoms, and they hit me like a ton-o-bricks. Does anyone have a remedy to the RLS or (Restless Leg Syndrom (syndrome)), because it kicked in last night, and I was doing the Cha Cha on the couch without even moving the rest of my body. I never noticed my legs so much until I got my self in this mess. Just to reference the level of my madness, I really started to get bad around June 01, when I was going through a real bad spout in my marriage. Nalbuphine was my favorite, IV of course. When that ran out, hydrocodone was their to take its place, and it is in abundance where I am; which I am sure is part of my problem. I love these little pills, they make me feel invensible. I do better at work, with my wife, and in general am a nicer person, but when they run out, stand back; because captain codone comes out, and he is one big jackass. Well that is my sob story, I dont know what good it will do, but there it is. Good luck everyone, I know we all need a little bit of that. Peace to all, and a happy new year, DRUG FREE I HOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ssfr]

hey skip- let me just take this opportunity to wish you and irishrose a happy new year- and may it be better than the year before- the detox plan operated for about 3 days- using the recipe- but something caught up with me and i abandoned it faster than clinton said "i did not have..... with that woman..." anyway, that in no way means that tomorrow - we wont try again- and the day after and the day after if need be- i may be weak- but i am persistent-
i notice that i had also posted some other notes to you but they have disappeared yet again for some reason- cant imagine why-
anyway- hop over anytime and visit- many of the folks over in the parallel universe dont know you and certainly would benefit from your wit, wisdom and advice- doesnt mean you have to leave her you know- just visit everynow and then-
and good luck on your dantes experience-
your friend-
vic

[skipper]

SSFR:
oh yeah that 3 day thing- i've done that. It's hard to stop when
there is ready access. i don't know how long i will last this time.
i would like to ge at least 10 days - two weeks. Pain is still a
real big time problem so we will see.

It's always a pleasure to see you post here!
keep an ange on your shoulder
kip

[Thomas]

you won't get any answers here about my detox recipe. Go to the New Addictions Forum (I know you're registered). The recipe is freely reprintable there and I will answer your questions from there. I do not participate in MedHelp because of their policy of censorship. If Dr Steve even replies to you, he'll disavow any knowledge of my recipe, or call it dangerous amateur advice, and then refer you to a big bucks addiction specialist (got lots of money, I hope?), or send you to an equally expensive detox clinic. He will not acknowledge my recipe because I'm not an MD, and according to Dr Steve or most docs, all non-MDs are congenitally stupid and their advice is valueless. That is what the medical profession passionately believes and hopes you think the same way. This is why our forum exists. It's not for ego-stroking lazy MDs, but exists to give addicts and chronic pain patients the knowledge, fellowship and emotional support they need to recover. These are foreign concepts to the Med Help forum. So is the idea that not all people with addiction problems have unlimited time and money to seek specialists or hospitalization-based solutions.

Log onto the New Addictions Forum on the ez board forums, and you can download the recipe and ask me anything you like about using it. Unlike Med Help, the New Addictions Forum is here to directly help people and support them through their ordeals. But Dr Steve will not help you at all re my recipe. He hasn't read it and won't because I don't have a med degree. I would include the link to our forum, but then Med Help will delete my post, something we never do on our forum. I want to help, but it's a waste of time to do it here. You decide. Good luck.

Thomas

[skipper]

Thomas:
great to here from you. i just wanted to thankyou for your detox
recipe. a handfull of benzos, imodium (immodium), and l-tyrosine and i just
came off oxy-c for awhile. what don't you open a spa? i'm sure i
could line up junkys waiting for help!

thankyou and keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[Rose1]

I am new to this forum. I am preparing to speak with my doc next week to detox off the hydro's. Take 15-20 per day. Can't believe the suggestions from you guys. I am a heroin head of years and through no grace of my own have 1 year on February 4.Spinal injury led me back to my addiction. I have made a list of some vitamins and meds to detox at home but am so excited about the "RECIPE" I can't find it anywhere. I have done something similar to it a few years back. Please offer recipe. Thomas would be filthy rich if he wanted to go public.

[Rose1]

I am new to this forum. I am preparing to speak with my doc next week to detox off the hydro's. Take 15-20 per day. Can't believe the suggestions from you guys. I am a heroin head of years and through no grace of my own have 1 year on February 4.Spinal injury led me back to my addiction. I have made a list of some vitamins and meds to detox at home but am so excited about the "RECIPE" I can't find it anywhere. I have done something similar to it a few years back. Please offer recipe. Thomas would be filthy rich if he wanted to go public.You guys all have something to say. I am the biggest chicken butt there is, when it comes to a kick. I found humor and lots of truth in this forum. This was way better than an NA meeting. Thanks in advance.

[Manipulator]

I would love for someone to talk me out of taking the oxys that are comming in the mail on Saturday..
In Nov....I was up to 160 + per day on oxy chewing...yum
By Christmas I was down to about 60 or so....then tapered a little and had 5 days clean..Got back to LA and familly and
NARCO-Access...and started with NORCO....cause I was "feeling a litle shaky".....Mr. Excuses.....never been to an NA meeting so I'm really liking this forum by the way....So Ive been taking 10mg Norco (hydro)..for 8 days now with a peek yesterday of 12 pills, 10 the day before.....but held out till 3:30 today and only took 7...I'm considering the oxy to taper because of the time release...and the pain....My colon always hurts alot from taking narcotics...Am I an idiot or what
Pardon the rambling but I would really like some advise...I feel if I could only go back a week...I would have been fine....staying clean will be a problem though....please comment and suggest..Thanks. M.

[nibblenose]

Hi i am new here.I just found the site tonight.I am still on Percs,Hydros,Codiene,or whatever i can get my hands on.I have tried in the past to quit cold turkey but the withdrawels killed me..So i jumped right back on them.I was so glad to see that im not the only one in this boat or have been for that matter.I too want to desperately get off them.In the beginning i was great felt like i was on top of the world.I was a perfect mother,Wife,Person..I loved life again.It stopped all my pain and not just physically,mentally too.My house was always spotless,I was never crabby in the mornings,never had to raise my voice,etc,etc..But know its changing i get nasty mood swings and im jumpin from doc to doc and lying bout why i need them..God what kind of a person am i turning into..But when i do set my goal to get off i am definately going to try the recipe thing.Its nice to know that there is something you can turn to to maybe help you go thru the withdrawels..Wish me luck..Nibblenose

[IrishRose]

Hi Nibblenose- welcome! Glad you found this place. You will indeed find support and advice here when you are ready to detox and even if you are not! Keep reading and posting, we are here for you. I found this site over a year ago, my husband posts here too, he is on Oxy for chronic pain, I am an alcoholic who is going through my own struggles even though I am now clean. Take care, IR.

[Rose1]

Hi, just a note to say thank-you for all of your support and I finally found the recipe thanks to ***@****. She has been a huge help. I am anxious but I went yesterday to GNC to buy the vitamins needed. I see the Doc. tommorow and know he will help with the prescribed medicines. This is a pain, for lack of a better word. I really want to find a pain medication that works that isn't narcotic. I hope all of you find the help you need. I feel the only way to succees at this is to want to stop. I have struggled for yeard to clean up from Heroin, and have been successful at that. This is so much of a mind game. Could use any feedback!!!! This is better that any ole NA meeting! Thanks! ***@**** welcome all mail. Please!

[Rose1]

Any comments? I start tommorow detoxing off vicodin. Could use some feedback. Anything would help. I think I have the stuff needed to help. I don't have a lot of friends to support me. I thought my mom was supportive but she bitched this morning about money spent on vitamins. If you have time answer for me. It would help. I'll check back later. Karen

[IrishRose]

Rose1- Welcome to you too! I am glad you located the recipe from Cindi. You will find support and encouragement here. I think once your mom sees how much the vitamins and supplements help you she'll cool off about the cost. My husband uses these supplements and we write some big checks to GNC and Vitamin World but I don't care. He too has spinal problems, he's been posting on here too ( Skipper) so I think I have an idea of the kind of painful hell you are going through. Hang in there, I don't have any advice for you how to do this, but a lot of good compassionate folks here do, so read on. Take care. IR.

[AnnieS]

Hi I'm Annie and if you've read the posts you know my story. I can only tell you that the vitimins really help. The hardest thing for me was getting some sleep through detoxing. Maybe ask you Dr, for something to help you sleep. I slept a lot when I could to keep from going crazy and picking up. It sounds like you really want to quit which is half the battle. Just remember that you can do the best you can and give yourself credit for wanting to quit. We sometimes dissappoint ourselves too much and get that "I blew it so who cares attitude" Take it one day at a time and hang in there. I'm glad your on the raod to recovery. If I can help let me know. I'm praying for all of us. Peace, Annie

[Rose1]

I just returned from the most understanding Doc. ever. He prescribed valium, methadone,Trazadone, which I have always been on. Also, he wants me to alternate the librium and valium and was thrilled that I had done my homework. I have a year off the Heroin and he too, was my Doc at that time. He was especially impressed with the vitamins I purchased and felt that will eliminate some of the discomfort. I am also taking the Immodium AD. What a freedom. I never wanted this before. It was always a temporary fix and than back to the cycle of hell. I even shopped for some special bubbles so I can splurge in the tub. I hope we keep in contact. You both have been such a support. I think half the battle is won, just knowing we are not alone. If I can help in anyway, I am here. Thank-you for your kindness and support.
Please don't hesitate to e-mail me: ***@****   Love and BLESS YOU, ONE JUNKIE TO THE NEXT,  Karen

[AnnieS]

I'm so glad you found someone to help. The valium and trazidone helped me. Meth, well just be carefull. That was the worst withdrawal I eveer had. Keep up the good work. What ever works for you is the best thing for you. Keep up the fight and someday well all be writing about how great we feel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Won't we??????peace, annie

[Rose1]

Thanks for the suggestions! My Doc. has me doing a taper down. Spent all last evening packaging each day. What a thrill. But, the exciting thing is I will try(key word( not to go backward. I have struggled all my life and now it feels different. I really want to stop. The problem is: I have severe spinal injuries and he is speaking with a couple of his collegues to find out the best method of pain management. I can't work or live a normal life without the pills. I pray and hope that something will come up. I love hearing from you. You have been a huge part of my recovery . Thanks in advance for being a good friend. Love, Karen

[new@this]

Hello everyone.  I know what help this site can be.  Karen, keep the faith, girl.  You can do it!  It is hard and I am back on and back off the percocet again.  My kidneys are totally screwed and they hurt too much with it.  But today I ran out of them and I really want to find some other form of pain management.  Not looking forward to tomorrow but already have some of the symptons and that truly sucks!  Oh well.  I am going to contact that email address with the recipe and see it that works for me.  Is it for pain management too?

[new@this]

Help me to get to your forum.  I am not THAT great with computers.

[darkissangel]

Ok i'm new here and i need some help on saturday i plan to detox but i'm not sure if i got the right recipe.i was told to use L-tyrsone and some b6 vitamins and valium i really need to start this on saturday because i go to school and i don't want to have to wait until next weekend so if some one could please help me or give me easy directions to the forum where i could find it i would apprechiate it
thanks
***@****

[Lou Minescence]

Hi all ... what a great site.  My heart goes out to each and every one of you.  My question regards the vitamin regimen on that wonderful recipe I just read ... whether it will help at the end of detox.  I'm in my 26th day of detoxing from oxyontin (high doses, six months). I am just about at the end of the tunnel.  We all know what's inside the bowels of that tunnel and for those of you there, draw strength from what seems to be a great bunch of fellow travelers through the river styx.

That is behind me 90%.  My doctor presribed Trasadol, Atarax and 10mg Lortabs.  I tapered down on the lortabs to nothing a few days ago.  I think I have a day, or a couple of days left of the lingering withdrawal symptoms. QUESTION:  Would these vitamins in the recipe help speed the process ... please let me know.  Thanks... Lou M

[Rose1]

Hey girl, Thank for writing back. There are so many nights and dats that seem imbearable but I know you can it, just like so many others have, If you want e-mail me  at ***@**** and boy do I have some ways to detox at home. I've added to the "recipe" with a few prominent poeple and it sure was an easy detox for me. I hope that you pray and parctice meditation. Part of changing. is changing your thinking when it comes to or pills. If I can be of any help please write back here on the forum or e-mail me at home. All the best to you, LOve Rose2

[Rose1]

Hey there friend, Just got back from a five day detox where they allow you to take all the vitamins and drugs you doctor presribed.I already ran out of amino's but willpick some up today. Thanks for writing me back. This is so nice to  have a common thread with people you've never mt, and yet it feels like I've known you forever. Probably due to our addiction. Some friend and myself read over the "recipe" and we added a few things. Unbelievable. Even my Doc. was impressed. I couldn't stay here and detox because mt mom is so clueless when it comes to this tpe of addicton, Please e-mail at ***@**** anytime and write back on this forum. I really have met some cool people. Thanks for all your support, and just know, if you ever needed me, I WOULD BE THERE. My SPINAL INJURIES HAVE GOTTEN WORSE. i NOW FELL FROM A HIGH LADDER AND BROKE THREE RIBS, wHAT DOES YOUR HUDBAND TAKE? TALK SOON, O.K. Call or write anytime, LOve and a payer Rose21

[Rose1]

Hey Big Guy, It was so great to hear from you. You were new to this forum, not anymore. You are "one" of us now. I did keep the ,faith and followed all the rules of the "recipe" and added some of my own and did all the Srops the gave me. I think the hardes part was getting my mind prepared for it. If you need to tal or are having a hard time e-mail me at: klristau@foothill,net. I always have an ear or shoulder so don't hesitate. Let me knoe what you are on and that could be start. God bless you, Hope to hear from you soon and you keep the faith. Live Rose1

[Rose1]

How are things going. Read your las post and it seemed you were tyring to find the"best" day to satet. Let you in on a secret. Threr are no perfect days. I just got out of a five day in patient detox but they allowed all doctor prescribed and vitamins to go in and let me take them, I never had it so easy. Part of the reason wait in anticipation is Fear. It will keep you from doing anything. I was fortunate to have doctors who added to the "recipe" and my doctor in turn lowered some of my doses. If you have any questions, want to talk cause you are having one of those restless nights e-mail  ***@**** or write bacl on thid forum. I check it all the time. I think I can help, perhaps not with drugs, but with some srong realistic answaers that could maybe ease your mind.  Waiting to hear from you!!!!!Rose1

[nefte]

I'm in my fourth day of detox from Stadol NS. Have gotten over the legs aches, sweats, chills, runny nose, lethargy and somnelence. Now I'm trying to get myself in gear to work but, my mind keeps wandering. Does the recipe of B-Complex, Zinc and 4000mg of L-tryosine help with this state of confusion and inability to get motivated to work?

[VicoDee]

Sine Ive done retox and detox SO many times.. I will say i have studies on it and its effects wuite a bit and what happens to your body when you are detoxing...Opiates work like an antihistamine...so when you quit ? your body dumps a LOT of histamine on your system.Antihistamines helped me a lot to dewal with the daily energy thing..chlorphenerimine/they have 4mgs 8mgs and 12 mgs time released for daytime (chlortrimetron is the brand) and then to sleep ? if benzos scare anyone of addcited natures which I have also done for sleep...they do scare the **** out of me,as you may be trading one addiction for another one by far more dangerous...benzos will stop your heart if you do not taper them.Opiates just make you feel like you want to die but you wont when you detox them cold turkey.
benadryl is an excellent sleep aid for nightime detox releif,and the all the sinus stuff is caused by histamine dumps after coming off opiates.Actually Lomotil and that other antidiarrehal  med works fairly well too for side effects of opaite withdrawl as it is an teeny amount of an opiate antagonist.I just forget the name of it for now..lomotil is rx...the other is NOT..someone fill in the blanks here for me?Immodium!!! Thats the name of it...Immodium..it did really help quite a bit ...even though I hardly get the runs as they say it did help my dopamine receptors not to feel so forsaken when I would quit the dope.
The histamine dump is the first symptom you will notice when you detox..the sniffles and feeling like a bad cold/flu? its histamine dump.Antihistamines/and advil are a good go between for a week or two or hell maybe for as long as it takes.They are OTC anyway/Chlortirmetron for day gets me through some hard core fatigue/and benedryl at night helps for sleep.a little..opiate withdrawls are pretty hard on your getting some sleep man
Good luck..im retoxed,,,but when my greif subsides from my current situation of my grandmother dying in a hospital without hospice or dignity,And medicare wanting to dump us all on our asses financially?...maybe I will try for the billionth detox...it does seem impossible just from today's standpoint really.One day at a time..as they say? and today I have chosen drugs AGAIN for releif from my greif so I can get out of bed and go to work and pretend to be a part of society.Not to mention get some money in my bank acct?
I fear I may be a for-lifer at this point.This greif is kicking my addicted ass.
Dee*

[abusa]

I am a 19 yr old girl, used to have scholarships for soccer, straight A's and so on until pAIn started becoming an everyday part o my life. Have Fibromyalgia, deg disk disease, headaches and pinched nerve in my neck, anxiety, depression, no motivation am thinking to end this agony. I just returned to home, Cali. , from the Mayo clinic, chemical dependence program and pain rehabilitation center. Their philosophy about meds and pain is DONT  TAKE  ANYTHING, except SSRI and anti depressants. "Pain doesn't Kill" they tell me, well I'll kill you or go insane or kill myself if I'm not provided relief. But here's the scoop. I detoxed off of 240 mlg of oxy's and have been off of my only chance of having a life. They say that after a few months my natural endorphins would kick in. Well, how the **** am i going to get through those months. I had problems controlling the oxy's, they got stolen twice from roommates i think and now they say that i am an addict. I say, sure I'm addicted to not being in pain. My pain when i get up is an 8-9, i cry every morning and can hardly take a shower. I feel like a total failure to my parents who will not let me go back on narcotics, basically b/c the mayo clinic says no no no. It's my ******* choice. I'd rather live for a year w/o pain then my whole life like this.Please help, i'm at the end of my rope and soon if not helped will literally be at the end of my hung rope. Is it fair for my mother, who has chronic pain and takes percocet, says I'm too young to take narcotics and will not share one bit of her life abbout pain with me. They want me to go through another pain ******* program and i've already gone through the best, which didn't help me. It's like yeah i could depend on exercising , relaxation, stress management but it all only provides 10 minutes of relief. they also want me to go to a narcotics anonymous group where i'll be filled with people who don't even have pain. Dr. steve please help. I'm 19 and feel like i'm 80, this isn't a life, it's a living hell that no one deserves. The doctors say with my spine i shouldn't be having much pain -well isn't pain subjective, i don't have the threshold for this. I'd rather be living in haze w/ no pain than clear headed with this pain. please help---katherine

[hjp]

I'm gonna give it to you the hard way abusa: I'm hearing fibromyalgia, bulging discs, all kinds of chronic pain stuff that I don't buy at all.  You're too young for all that junk and even if you had a touch here and there....its no excuse to be on oxy 240/day.  Some doc had his head in his ass to give you that stuff.  Probably ended your soccer career: I'm sure you couldn't run more than ten yards without stumbling.  Sorry not alot of sympathy here, but you've no business on narcs......suck it up...if you're gonna put your head in a noose...well ok cause you'll definitly end up in the same spot anyway.  Stop whinning and detox and get on with your life. Still love you though, hjp

[hjp]

got a ps for ya.  Did you pick up on your mom's "chronic pain habits?" Have you watched her get high from time to time and decided that's the life for you?..  Did you get started taking her meds?  Good luck abusa, you're going to need it tell you get your head screwed on straight.

[butterbeans]

Hi everyone.  It has been a long time since I posted, but, I am still reading everyday.  Abusa, I remember you and it is good to hear from you.  I thought you must have gone into rehab.  Abusa, you are so young.  Chronic pain hurts, but, is it more emotional pain??  You can stop this now, before it gets too out of hand. There are meds that can help you that aren't addictive.  Please do that, if you want to live a great, quality life.  Think about all you want to do with your life.  You can do it!  J.B. I am proud of you, you are doing great, even though your wife is sick.  Be proud of yourself.  To everyone here, I am clean for about 10 days and I don't want to go back.  I feel good!  I am going to work real hard to not have this addiction continue.  I know that I will always have the addictive personality, you couldn't have told me that when I was young, as I wouldn't even drink!  But, when you have chronic pain for many years, and one day a doc gives you these pills, it is instant.  I wish it could be instant, stopping!  But, I will, if not now , someday, but, I hoope it is now.  Enjoy the superbowl for all those watching.  God Bless All of you!
Love to All, Butterbeans

[abusa]

look buddy I have been diagnosed with fibromylgia (fibromyalgia) and degenerative disk disesease by 10 doctors in Los angeles, Mayo clinic, all around california and they also can't believe how young i am  w/ this pain, and it's not a touch here and there .  Sorry but you're kind of a jerk to tell me I have a touch here and there. You want me to have a knife stuck in your back, black widow bites all over your body and tell you , get your head on straight ?  In fact **** you for acting like this is easy . How old are you, let me guess thirties or fourties. Well i can tell you one thing , though it doesn't matter b/c i'm 19, you're probably just as pathetic as you think i am. Pain is pain, it doesn't matter how old you are. I already have detoxed, been clean for three weeks from oxy's and the pain I had before has come back the same pain that made me leave college before my finals to find out what's wrong with me. I come on here for support not lectures from hard headed assholes--oh yeah , still love ya though

[abusa]

look buddy I have been diagnosed with fibromylgia (fibromyalgia) and degenerative disk disesease by 10 doctors in Los angeles, Mayo clinic, all around california and they also can't believe how young i am  w/ this pain, and it's not a touch here and there .  Sorry but you're kind of a jerk to tell me I have a touch here and there. You want me to have a knife stuck in your back, black widow bites all over your body and tell you , get your head on straight ?  In fact **** you for acting like this is easy . How old are you, let me guess thirties or fourties. Well i can tell you one thing , though it doesn't matter b/c i'm 19, you're probably just as pathetic as you think i am. Pain is pain, it doesn't matter how old you are. I already have detoxed, been clean for three weeks from oxy's and the pain I had before has come back the same pain that made me leave college before my finals to find out what's wrong with me. I come on here for support not lectures from hard headed assholes--oh yeah , still love ya though

[abusa]

Sorry hpv, I'd like you to have a little compassion just before you attack me. I look at my mother and think how much i don't want to be on meds. She has changed but she makes it through every day with smiles on her face, not high. And has been on the same dose for a year.  The narcotics don't give me a high anymore . they just allow me to get up get dressed and make it to school. Tell me your problems , don't just come on here like a doctor and start assuming things about people. The narcotics didn't end my soccer or modeling career, thr pain did I lived with the pain for 2 years doing physical therapy, hypnotism, epidural, mri, cat scan, strengthing and exercise , ac level to a five at least.upuncture, massage, and even a 23,000 $ program at mayo that I intensively listened to which helped me cope at times but all i want is a little of the intensity of pain to go down and if vioxx would do it I" d take it but it doesn't. From a 8 Neither does celebrex, motrin, basically any anti inflammatories i've tried. Give me a non addictive drug that helps and i'll forget about mind altering drugs.

Butterbeans-- thanks for being sweet. I'd love to meet you. You seem like someone who is loving and not contradictive.

[abusa]

Sorry hpv, I'd like you to have a little compassion just before you attack me. I look at my mother and think how much i don't want to be on meds. She has changed but she makes it through every day with smiles on her face, not high. And has been on the same dose for a year.  The narcotics don't give me a high anymore . they just allow me to get up get dressed and make it to school. Tell me your problems , don't just come on here like a doctor and start assuming things about people. The narcotics didn't end my soccer or modeling career, thr pain did I lived with the pain for 2 years doing physical therapy, hypnotism, epidural, mri, cat scan, strengthing and exercise , ac level to a five at least.upuncture, massage, and even a 23,000 $ program at mayo that I intensively listened to which helped me cope at times but all i want is a little of the intensity of pain to go down and if vioxx would do it I" d take it but it doesn't. From a 8 Neither does celebrex, motrin, basically any anti inflammatories i've tried. Give me a non addictive drug that helps and i'll forget about mind altering drugs.

Butterbeans-- thanks for being sweet. I'd love to meet you. You seem like someone who is loving and not contradictive.

[hjp]

I think if I give you compassion Abusa you won't realize there is no light at the end of a narcotic tunnel.  I would love to discourage you from narcotic usage right out of the box.  Maybe we all have to travel down that tunnel and make our own choices; its just that you're so young and could have such a great life without the drugs, all your choices in life will be compromised, almost always, in a negative way if you're on narcotics. Nope not thirty, not forty.......58, two daughters 30 & 32.  Compassion.......you have no idea. Give yourself a chance abusa...bye for now, hjp

[littleguy]

Each person has to make their own choices about pain relief.  You should do what is right for you and share as much as you are willing to about it, but please do not assume that what is right for you is what's right for everyone else.  

littleguy

[abusa]

Thank you liitle guy. You seem a lot bigger than your name. I went to the pain doc who graduated from harvard. He has helped so many people with pain be successful. He put me on the duragesic patch b/c I couldn't fuction without pain relief. It's working great and there's no high , and i still have a liitle pain but it's tolerable. Pain is such a subjective thing for everyone. For me, i can't stand it. sorry hjb for being mean. I have been a wreck ever since detox but now I'm fine.

[butterbeans]

Hi Ladies, it sounds like everyone of you are feeling strong and much better.  Abusa, I guess because I have two daughters, one being 22, that I worry about you.  Mom's are like that and want to protecttheir children from everyday pain and sufferening.  I hope that patch works for you, you sound like you could have it all with the career and all.  My daughter lives in NY , but, refuses to dance( She was trained for 10 years ) in all types, especially ballet.  She could be on Broadway, but, has left that part of life alone.  she also has been asked to model, and turned it down.  Doesn't think she would make it.  However, she works for a big company in Manhattan and makes good money for someone her age  She is extremely intelligent and independent.  But, I wish i could help you abusa, and the only way I know how is to tell you that you have everything going for you, including what must be wonder , loving parents, who put you in rehab to help you.  Keep up your strengths and you have many , just think what they are.  It is not just weaknesses we have , but, strengths, and these strenghts will show you you can do this and be a wonderful model, and maybe even star.  Telby and Jennyfla, I miss emailing you and getting your responses.  You both make me feel special and keep me going.  If we all lived in the same place, i would start a support group for addiction to narcotics  and we could all be there.  I am a therapist, but, therapist have problems too.  While I am helping you, you are helping me.  Be there for your kids, that's what's important, and you know what you have to do to be there for them.  You don't want them to see what you do with pills, as this is a learned behavior.  May God be with you all!
Love to all, Butterbeans

[hjp]

Your comment is interesting littleguy, but a little sad.  You're enabling abusa; she's an addict and has just switched from one hard core narcotic to another.  Now she's fine.....great! Abusa if you've been to the best medical center in the world, surely they told you you have a problem, now you're right back where you started; you will have to detox again.  Duragesic will certainly stop the withdrawals you were going thru, but what happens when your great doctor increases your dosage from 25 to 50 to 75 to 100mcg?.  When do you come out of the fog?  I know this is tough talk, but guys if you're an addict and you're on narcotics, things aren't going to work out well for you.  Obviously we don't have the answers otherwise this forum wouldn't be 50pages long.  Just make that little voice in your head say something like: i'm an addict and I need to get off this **** as soon as I can and stay off as long as I can.  Each detox hopefully will be a learning experience, until one day you're chemically free.  Littleguy I understand what you're saying, but your comment seems to apply to those people who can take narcotics and not become addicted.....they're not on this forum.      Bye for now and good luck, hjp

[abusa]

Everyone becomes dependent . I am chemically dependent like anyone who is on drugs for a year. My doc said that he can treat me for chemical dependence and addiction while i'm on pain meds and he's done that for many many people that are now successful but need support. I am very happy because i can get outt of bed and he said that more than half of my addiction and self esteem has controoled my life annd that he can help me improve this. He went to harvard, i know that doesn't mean anything but he has also studied pain, addiction and success for twelve years at school and is now about fifty five with amazing merits well i'm going to bed, this medicine doesn't make me high and now i don't have to pop a pill every so hours. I am not in the fog and moved way too fast for the mood alter before. I told him everything that i have done and he said forget the past, and i'll make sure that you have a successful future. H ehas helped several patients get a job and even get into school. He has a team of different doctors that and i see all of them at my appointment. All i know is that i can't live in severe pain and if ya try to teel me it's in my head one more time , then you're just a stubborn man.

[hjp]

good luck, Abusa, there are many pathways thru life and I wish you well with your choices.    hjp

[Shellbo]

Thomas, I've tried going to http://pub37.ezboard.com/bthenewaddictionmedicineforum
for the recipe but I'm having a problem with my registration to be able to go & copy the 'recipe'.  I'm waking up tomorrow morning cold turkey.  PLEASE email me a copy at
***@****