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Is what I'm going through normal for low methadone detox?
I can't believe that I just joined this forum and pretty much found the same question I joined for, and very close to the same dose. Long story short, I detoxed from 125mg to 18mg quite slow, (1mg every 3 days), and when I got to 18mg I got so sick I had to go back up. Now I'm @40mg and hate the direction I'm going. My problem is just the opposite from 100% of everything I read. I just can't go, period. I drink plenty of water, like 5 or 6 12oz glasses and all I do is urinate. I eat plenty of oat meal and rasin bran for fiber. Bananas, Flax Seed Oil pills, 390mg a day, Gatorade, chicken and fresh, but steamed, veggies, and for laxitives I have tried Senacot, which is a stimulant, and kinda worked but the gas and bloating were so painful I needed something else. The pharmacist recomended Miralax, which took care of the bloating and gas, but no BM Magnesium Citrate, which just made my stomach gurgle, and now have a full dose of M.O.M. in me, which I can feel in my stomach. Everyone of these which said," will have BM in 1/2-6hrs, 6-12hrs, etc. all took an extra few hours but now I get help from nothing.
Also for meds, I take Klonopin, Clonidine for high BP from methadone, multi-vitiman and smoke a little pot. Seems everything can cause constipation. When I did/do go, it was 3 or 4 times in an hr, but not a lot, and it was normal, not hard or soft. Even w/lots of food in me from yesterday I got out almost nothing this morning. Miralax worked almost immeadetly when I first used it, but only the first couple times. Same w/ Mag. Cit. Again , Senacot made my stomach hurt. I called CVS and they said I could go to 2 full cap-fulls of Miralax which only made me pass gas, just air. I know your stomach and both intestines pretty much fall asleep when on opiates, (I hate them), I thought 40mg and eating healthy would work, but no such luck. Do you think my dose increase is causing this? I told my coulcilor I wanted to go down next week and his answer was, " you just went up"! It's MY money, but @ 5am, I don't want to fight. I need some help from people who actually went through a meth detox. Is any of this normal to anyone. It seams constipation means hard BM, so I don't know what to call this. My stomach is not distended and was wondering, if I can get something out, but not a lot, is it still possible to have an impacted intestine. I see my dr. but have no ins. I had bloodwork done about 1 mon ago and came back fine. I'm getting nervous.
Also for meds, I take Klonopin, Clonidine for high BP from methadone, multi-vitiman and smoke a little pot. Seems everything can cause constipation. When I did/do go, it was 3 or 4 times in an hr, but not a lot, and it was normal, not hard or soft. Even w/lots of food in me from yesterday I got out almost nothing this morning. Miralax worked almost immeadetly when I first used it, but only the first couple times. Same w/ Mag. Cit. Again , Senacot made my stomach hurt. I called CVS and they said I could go to 2 full cap-fulls of Miralax which only made me pass gas, just air. I know your stomach and both intestines pretty much fall asleep when on opiates, (I hate them), I thought 40mg and eating healthy would work, but no such luck. Do you think my dose increase is causing this? I told my coulcilor I wanted to go down next week and his answer was, " you just went up"! It's MY money, but @ 5am, I don't want to fight. I need some help from people who actually went through a meth detox. Is any of this normal to anyone. It seams constipation means hard BM, so I don't know what to call this. My stomach is not distended and was wondering, if I can get something out, but not a lot, is it still possible to have an impacted intestine. I see my dr. but have no ins. I had bloodwork done about 1 mon ago and came back fine. I'm getting nervous.
I just went back to the recent forums and found it in,like, the second spot. I'm real good at reading over something that's staring me in the face so, did I pass over the reason why this got moved? Maybe I need more coffee,lol.
I'm not quite sure how or why this got put it the archives. I first posted 2 days ago, now, in the archives I can find the persons post that is above me in recent posts, but mine is missing. Does anyone know why. Being in the archives, I feel like I was moved into the basement where no one will see this.
That's funny. I use that analogy,(the hare and tortus) all the time. As for detoxing, you're right about SLOWLY tapering my dose. I just saw my councilor and put in a detox program of 2mg every 2 weeks,(I guess it takes, like, a week for the body to adjust to the change so the extra few days will help a lot), plus I can stop the detox at the dosing window whenever I want, so I can go as slow as possible.
As for the taper schedule, thank you for the offer, but right now, my parents want me off all of this,(don't blame then @ all), and are going to help me go slow so I don't become another statistic of going back to H, then the "clinic" again. I've already given my mother a nervous breakdown because of this. NO MORE. Didn't mean to yell, just feel so bad for the s*** I put them through. They even said," Go down 1mg a month, we just want our son back". That brings lots of due guilt. I need that slap-in-the-face to let me see what I've been missing. Even at 40mg, I notice things more and more.
I can't wait to stop sweating tho. For me, that was 28mg and felt so good. Just a tan, not clothes that look like I just took them from the washer.
A little off topic but I can't refuse: It's 6:45am as I'm typing, (coffee in hand). We finally got rain last night,( It's been so hot, humid and DRY for 2 weeks) and with the sun beaming through the woods, with everything shining from the rain and the steam rising from the brook, maybe 25-30ft wide, twisting through my back yard, I feel as if I'm in the rain forest. Gorgeous. A cool front came in last night and the sky is blue and cloudless.
Hopefully this puts a smile on someones face :-)
I will keep this updated and let everyone know how I'm doing. It's actually cool that people are rooting for me. Gives me even more desire to kick this. I, also, am rooting for everyone else too. God-willing, we ALL will make it through this. Just thank god that there are forums like this to share info w/ others who need advice. It's obvious that the F.D.A and D.E.A. just do not care about us at all, so we're all like scientists on this med(drug), having to try different things and then get report back.
As for the taper schedule, thank you for the offer, but right now, my parents want me off all of this,(don't blame then @ all), and are going to help me go slow so I don't become another statistic of going back to H, then the "clinic" again. I've already given my mother a nervous breakdown because of this. NO MORE. Didn't mean to yell, just feel so bad for the s*** I put them through. They even said," Go down 1mg a month, we just want our son back". That brings lots of due guilt. I need that slap-in-the-face to let me see what I've been missing. Even at 40mg, I notice things more and more.
I can't wait to stop sweating tho. For me, that was 28mg and felt so good. Just a tan, not clothes that look like I just took them from the washer.
A little off topic but I can't refuse: It's 6:45am as I'm typing, (coffee in hand). We finally got rain last night,( It's been so hot, humid and DRY for 2 weeks) and with the sun beaming through the woods, with everything shining from the rain and the steam rising from the brook, maybe 25-30ft wide, twisting through my back yard, I feel as if I'm in the rain forest. Gorgeous. A cool front came in last night and the sky is blue and cloudless.
Hopefully this puts a smile on someones face :-)
I will keep this updated and let everyone know how I'm doing. It's actually cool that people are rooting for me. Gives me even more desire to kick this. I, also, am rooting for everyone else too. God-willing, we ALL will make it through this. Just thank god that there are forums like this to share info w/ others who need advice. It's obvious that the F.D.A and D.E.A. just do not care about us at all, so we're all like scientists on this med(drug), having to try different things and then get report back.
Hey dude glad to see your improving...just take your time tapering slow is good this is a race one by the tortus not the hare....if you like I will send you the taper I used...it was given to me by a neo/natal nurse that brings babys off heroin, methadone, oxy ...I figured if it was safe enough for a baby it would be safe enough for me...it is a lot faster then most clinics like to go but it is very doable if you want it just let me know and I will use the messenger to send it to you ....we no longer post taper in the open forum....keep posting with your progress and for support ....you can eventually get off this stuff good luck and God bless
.....Gnarly
.....Gnarly
Congratulations kc156. You did what the goal of all of us here is. Detox. Knowing what you went through and must still be going through, don't forget that you hit bottom and are now on your way up. I get so proud of someone who has the mental power to get through this. It tests your mind, body and soul and sounds like you are winning. Nevermind that, you're kicking ***. Can I say that?
I figured 21mg was way too high too walk from. It just so happened that the 2 days were Sat. and Sun. when they have their skeleton crew and had to wait till Monday, which felt like 2 years, to get dosed again. I spent 2 days in the fetal position just waiting for Monday @ 5:30 to get dosed. This is hopefully my last time on anything like this, so I'm gonna take my time. Even detoxing from 2-3 grams of heroin a day, that was a vacation compared to this.
To laurel453, I'm not sure what you mean about " high fiber food or some laxatives"? Hopefully something like Rasin Bran or Oatmeal is good enough. That is what I eat for b/fast and skinless chicken for dinner. If you have a better suggestion, I'm all ears. As for laxatives, I take Miralax and seems to be working. I keep M.O.M. just in case, but so far so good. Funny thing is, I'm going to come out on the other end of this trip healthier that I started it. I hit the gym and do cardio. My breakfast went from chocolate coco pebbles, Pop Tarts and O.J.. Now it's either oatmeal or rasin bran, a banana, multi-vitiman, Flax-seed oil pills, Activia and 12oz of water. Now THAT"S a 180 degree turn.
I'm like a sponge, even though this is THE med that the phrase "everyone responds differently" rings the truest, keep the advice coming. I just Google the advice and find out what is correct or not.
Hi Steve....Twenty is right of the scale,unless you are willing to go in a rubber room for a month minimum.Then you will need full time help for another month.I stopped at 2mg. 9 days ago,and still am struggling.Go much lower. karl
My god, do I want to get off this. You are right, the 20mg # is awful. I'm not sure if I can name names of dr's here, but I got the only helpful info from this man, and said I should be able to detox, cold turkey from 21mg. I made it 2 days, before returning to the "clinic", but I did not have the Miralax, which helps with the gas, bloating that I couldn't get over, but now that I know of it, again let me know if I need to post this to a Dr, is 21mg too high a dose to walk from? My first detox, I walked from 9mg and didn't know the difference. I can handle the insomnia, in fact it feels good not to want to sleep @5pm every day. I'm a big Red Sox fan and NEVER saw a whole world series game cause of this junk in me. Also, is there anything out there to wake up the G.I. tract?
I went with your advice and am just using the Miralax. I took M.O.M. for the 2nd day in a row and it pretty much emptied me out. After that, I gave it a couple days w/nothing in me except for healthy food, then moved to the Miralax,(2 capfulls a day), and seem to be having luck. Thank you for the advice. Another week of this and I think I'm ready to re-start my detox. I feel so much better. Seeing that I can put in a stop whenever I want, I am going to try 2mg every 2 weeks,(my councilor said that's better than 1mg a week because it takes about 4 or 5 days for the body to adjust to the decrease, and giving it that extra 6 or 7 days will make a big difference in how I feel). Seems to make sense.
After going through this awful ordeal,(my first detox off this stuff didn't bother me at all, as crazy as that may sound, that's why I used again), and even tho I am going into surgery in one month, I told the dr., give me a bottle of asprin, I want NOTHING to do with any opiate, no matter the pain. There is no such thing as," well, I'll just take 2 Percs or Vicodins JUST THIS ONCE, then I'll go back to the prescribed dose. Unless I break my back or something just as painfull, I can never touch an opiate again. That's sad but at least I acknowledge this and am looking for safer remedies.
Again, thank you, and I will continue to post from time to time just to let anyone who cares know how I am doing.
Best wishes to EVERYONE who has the guts to try to detox. Most people @ my clinic are "lifers" and have given up on the idea of detoxing. They also can't believe I am detoxing again. I would like my life to be able to start before 5am. That's the best time to go fishing!
After going through this awful ordeal,(my first detox off this stuff didn't bother me at all, as crazy as that may sound, that's why I used again), and even tho I am going into surgery in one month, I told the dr., give me a bottle of asprin, I want NOTHING to do with any opiate, no matter the pain. There is no such thing as," well, I'll just take 2 Percs or Vicodins JUST THIS ONCE, then I'll go back to the prescribed dose. Unless I break my back or something just as painfull, I can never touch an opiate again. That's sad but at least I acknowledge this and am looking for safer remedies.
Again, thank you, and I will continue to post from time to time just to let anyone who cares know how I am doing.
Best wishes to EVERYONE who has the guts to try to detox. Most people @ my clinic are "lifers" and have given up on the idea of detoxing. They also can't believe I am detoxing again. I would like my life to be able to start before 5am. That's the best time to go fishing!
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i'm pulling for you too, we are all pulling for you, be sure :)
and congrats on changing your eating habits for the best.... leading a healthy life ( exercise, healthy eating, rest, non toxic relatioships ) are main ingredients to our recovery...along with adressing our addictive behaviour.