Klonopin and Valium

[SKC]

I'm a recovering drug addict,opiates, I have to give DUS, I take Remeron and Klonopin for depression and Panic Disorder. I have had 2 test come back positive for valium.  I have not taking anything but I started drinking SOBE drinks and taking 2 natural diet supplements. Is there anyway possible to have a Positive for valium taking and drinking these products?  My urines have been sent to a different lab for retesting. This will take 3 weeks and my anxiety level is way up. I have been on benzos for over 20 years for panic attacks. I have taken them all at one time or another but the Klonopin has worked well and so has the Remeron.  I also have been on several anti-depressants and Remeron is the one that I've been able to take.  I got addictted to opiates due to plantar fibromas growing on both my feet soles, 7 in one for and 3 in the other. They have been removed but 2 have come back on one foot.  I have to wait a year before I can get these removed because I had a reaction to cortisone. Thank you!

[cindi]

I am not quite sure how the urine work but when they did a urine on me I read the requisition and and it did not show the names fo the drugs pr se but it did specify the classification of drus known as the benzodiazepenes....which is the class that klonopin and valium fall under  they are both benzos...it could very well be that the klonopin is showing up and being mistaken for the valium...I am however just guessing..maybe Thomas can help you with more...he is pretty knowledgeable...do you know if they are checking for just Valium or the benzos? did you tell them what drugs you are currently taking?  keep us posted   good luck.....love to all                     cin

[Francoise]

I'm very interested in the nitty-gritty details of your cessation of opiates. I'm taking 100 mg oxycontin twice a day for chronic osteo-related pain, and even though I'm not contemplating getting off anytime soon, I've always got my eye peeled for techniques to get it done should I decide in the future to do so. Know what I mean?

Would you say what you were taking and how much? And also say exactly what you're taking to get you off and its amount and schedling? And of course, I'm interested in knowing about any depression you've experienced along the way or are continuing to experience. Also lengths of time you were taking the opiates and now the alternates, etc. Did you ever take methadone? Is this your first attempt to get off?

So I'm asking for a description of the entire magilla, you see? Are you willing? I'd sure appreciate it.

Have you heard of Ibogaine? Did you consider it? You might well want to get online and search for the Ibogaine Dossier, it's a wealth of information on this apparently amazing substance.

I do wish I could answer your questions about the urine test and such. BTW, why are you having to take the urine tests? Weren't you taking your opiate with a legal prescription for legal reasons? I don't understand how come you are required to take this test?

Best,

Francoix

[jule1]

Hi Shakey and welcome You are smart to keep an eye on your increasing oxys since you have had an addiction problem in the past.  I read these posts everyday and if I can ever help I will but you have come to a wonderful place full of wonderful people with great words of wisdom! 1021 & SON wow that rhymes!  Son thank your mother every day of your life for caring enough about you to help.  I originally had an addiction to opiate painkillers and when I called my mom she could not understand why I could not just throw them out and stop taking them.  When I told her I was better she believed me because that is all she could handle she is always in denial I love her dearly but she is not a strong person when it comes to problems which are everywhere in life plus she has really been sheltered all her life and has never even tasted alcohol.  So 1021 just by caring enough to come here is wonderful I have to say do not believe your son until he has proven he is clean ADDICTS LIE it is part of our disease!!  Do not feel like you are doing anything wrong by being suspicious you are right to be that way.  BIJOU my friend I am thinking of you the Ultram thread is still here I am still trying to cut down.  You all give me the push I need.  JENNY - You sound a lot like me we have a lot in common.  I quit the Vico's when I was pregnant and then got started with the Ultram because I was told it was safe that it is not a narcotic but anyway you know my story and I always enjoy reading your posts are you the one with your husband in rehab?  My husband does not know of my Ultram addiction well actually I think in the back of his mind he must know he found an old purse full of empty sample packs and I told them they were old and he believed me so in a way he is like my mom I don't think he wants to deal with it. SEE 1021 WE LIE!   CINDI my friend it has been great reading your posts the past couple of days I have learned a lot more about you and love you even more!  MILO heres a hug to you!!!! What do you put down for a hug I'm not sure LOL  OK HUGS TO EVERYONE!  It sounds as if everyone could use one today  Love to all Jules

[Thomas]

Klonopin is a member of the benzodiazepine family, just like Valium. Any benzo, (also Xanax, Ativan, Librium) will produce benzodiazepine metabolites in the urine. Current tests don't or can't distinguish between Klonopin and Valium. Both drugs ultimately bind to the same brain receptors and are, in most ways, identical. As long as you take any member of the benzo family, your UAs will come back positive for valium. Your best hope, I suppose, is to find a non-benzo for your symptoms. Trouble is, nothing works nearly as well for panic disorder or anxiety of any kind as a benzo. Sorry.

Thomas

[SKC]

I'm in the health care profession and when the prescribed meds,Demeral,vicodin,percoset ran out I diverted. I'm very ashamed of this and addiction is a very serious disease. The depression started when I dropped a 60lbs. rock fell on my foot and I was in chronic pain for a year. I took methadone and had ESI,s done.  This helped with the chronic pain and I thought I was on my way to better health but then the fibromas started to hurt. I know that on the DUS that my test will be positive and GODZELLA knows this 2, but they said that the + was from valium. After I was intervened, I went to IOP, this was a first time in treatment. Through IOP,AA,NA,and my HP I have been straight for 115days.  The hell I'm going through now is very upsetting, I know I didnt take any Valium, just my Remeron and Klonopin and all of a sudden I'm guilty before proven innocent.  As a teenager and young adult I did drugs socialy, but I grew out of that and have only taken meds that were prescribed.  I do have a high tolerence to drugs, I woke-up under general anethesia when I had my c-section 21yrs. ago.  I got off the methodone after one month because I was afraid of addiction.  How ironic!  The place I screen says I took a valium, and Klonopin had nothing to do with it being +. Thanks Cindi, Francoise and Thomas for your input.  I know I'm straight now and have been, so noone can take that away, its just confussing how they say its valium and not klonopin.  Francoise, I'm learning to live with the chronic pain, advil and tylenol are the max of pain meds I take.  Being in recovery is very important to me so I have to make due.  The last 8 months of my life were really pure hell.  My depression is better, dooee, no narcotics sure helps.  Hope to make this a nice home where I can release and may-be help someone too!! LOL

[jennyfla]

HI Jules!
Thank you for the post, and yes, my husband is in rehab, and it was mostly my idea, go figure.
It was painful, because i knew that meant the end to my using too, but i knew he was getting close to loosing him life, and i just couldn't standby and watch it anymore!
I seem (and 'seem' is the key word), to be able to function ok with using, but after seeing what has happened to him, i know i am only fooling myself by thinking this way.
I've even considered telling him that i am clean, at least over the phone while he is in rehab so he stops worrying about so much.
I seem to have a lot of anger right now, but i know that it's my addiction talking because he is trying to end my love relationship with my pills, and i'm defensive!
I can't help but hate myself for not having more strength to get past this and just STOP!!!!  If i could do it during a growing baby inside of me, then i can do this for myself!  This feeling of 'needing' them is killing me, what is with it with these pills???  
I'm not a good lier and i hate liers (no offense) believe me, i've been lying to myself for a long time now!
I know it will be hard to get past the withdrawals, and still be able to care for my 3 children and get my butt to work each day without them catching onto this, but i have to do it!!!
I need to start a taper process, and i know i can do it this way.  It's when things get stressful that i go running to my little answer in a pill when things get rough!
I should just flush them all down the toilet, then i would not no choice but to stop, with no way of getting more!
Prayers to you, and i hope that you will be able to beat this addiction soon for YOU!!!
(((HUGS)))
Lv Jenny

[jennyfla]

This is a wonderful place to call 'home', and i hope that we can help you get through this difficult time in your life!
Stay strong in knowing that you are not at fault, and with alittle prayers, things will hopefully work out for you soon!
Good luck!
Lv Jenny

[Pixieo2]

Hello,
I posted this message on several boards about three weeks ago, In all sincerity, I am a lot sicker now then I was at that time........ I have established an appointment with a Psychiatrist and can't be scene until the 28th of this month. I am definetly having troule copping. Any advice would be greatly appreciated <TTG> =trying to grin. I having trouble rembering the last time I felt like I was able to. My closing comments still applies, but I am  I was angry then, now I'm just so sick' not to mention that my life's been turned up side down. Is there light at the end of this tunnel ? Are there any ball park figures on how long to expect the physical duration to last In weeks, It's Impossible to accomplish any daily chores or try to drive.pat of this Is old news IMO now ' Struggling with this Monopoly If I were able to buy a vowel ! it would be an A please !! This Anxiety seems to be In thelead and winning .......


6/28/01 2:22:10 AM
Hello
I would like some Information on what I can do to change this situation which has just occurred In my circumstances. Any help would be greatly appreciated.....
I have a good health care plan so I'm told. I'm a fifty year old Mom who lives In New York' I have  had Insurance for the last twenty-five years or so. We are fortunate enough to have started our own business twenty-nine years ago. I begun to experience panic attacks which had Increased having a lot on my plate so to speak. I went to see a psychologist who specialized In psychology which helped me and also put me on medication fourteen years ago. It's a shame he was called away during the Golf war, but at the time Is very necessary and I'm sure they needed the best.  Without getting Into patient doctor relationship' He felt it was necessary to put me on Valium three times a day and I've been on them for the last fourteen years. He recommended a doctor who moved away two years later leaving me with another recommendation that I have been with for the last twelve years. Now I view this as a simple case of maintenance and I believe my Insurance felt the same way. With price hikes constantly going Into effect, my husband and I were back and forth trying to rectify the CO-payments. I think many of us have been there and had to do this' . Threes always been a lot of confusion.  I believe I'm In very good health out side of the normal colds that occur and my annual checkup seems to be proof the this.
So for the last twelve years Every.... Thirdly days I've had to physically go to my doctors office and pick up my prescription for the twelve years. I live In a very good community and I conceder myself a good person who's never gotten Into any trouble legally. I dreaded feeling like I had to prostitute to myself attending the doctors office every thirdly days. The doctor had not always taken Insurance 'I'm guessing he started about five or so years ago. His policy changed rapidly In that course of time.
There are signs In every room advising patients about contacting them several days In advance for the medication and what I would call the staff's bill of rights.
In May I was told without any warning they would stop my prescription medication two weeks before my sons college graduation. This was clearly out of the blue In my opinion and I feel It;s because my Insurance company annoyed them In some way possibly due to the CO-payments situation. The stress set In Immediately for me and I was told to see a psychologist which Isn't covered under my health care plan.
I am feeling the economy situation like every other business trying to stay afloat these days.  I am extremely sick not having this medication and the lack of sleep has burdened be more then words can express. Was this a state law making this decision or my doctor? Who's to blame for this coarse of  this action and what action can I take to help myself ?  This triple prescription has help me, I can't help but feel that I'm at the mercy of my doctor.  I feel this Is cruelty at It's best and I'm feeling so sick. Any advice would be Welcomed. Thanking You In Advance

                                                 Sincerely,
                                              Pixieo2***@****
                                                 or Kathleen  

PS I'm afraid to antagonize my Insurance Company,
my doctor has always been a Lovely person ?....
< Inserting >......
Only today I'm a lot angrier with him and quite feeling like my lovely self..

[Francoise]

Good to see you've decided to join our merry troupe. It IS a good place to be, especially if you've got the compassion and interest in helping people, some in very serious trouble.

I'd be very interested in knowing your story entire, and so if you're willing to relate it, you can contact me at ***@****.

Welcome

Francois

[cindi]

I think I may have gotten you name wrong but it is early,you being in the medical profession caught my eye.  my daughter had a sleep over and I have to get them up so I can get to work and it is early bu... I am a nurse that had an intervention, 5 years later relapsed and had a slew of felonies racked up against me.... later on I realized that nursing at this time was too much and left.....it is a fairly long story  one that I have told before on this forum    so in order to spare them the details if you you like to write to me I would be glad to listen   ***@****              love to all  cin

[SKC]

Icant believe they just cut you off of the valium w/o 1st lowing your dose slowley. You could have gone into seizures and withdrawl. Talk to your PCP and get to him asap. No Doctor should have done that after they knew you had been on it for 20 years. I sure can relate to Panic attacks, their not nice!! I hope your PCP can help you, if not find one who can. Good Luck and keep us posted.  LOL SKC

[Witchywoman]

Hi, I am also very new here, I posted my story on the "can anyone relate to this" thread, so I won't repeat it here..but the panic attacks you both have suffered caught my eye.

I'm curious as to whether the doctors who treated you with benzos also offered other treatments for the panic and the anxiety? I'm a therapist, and have a strong interest in anxiety disorders so I stay pretty current on the latest research on what works.  The newest information shows that a combination of medication and cognitive/behavioral/supportive therapy works very well. They are showing moderate success with the use of the ssri's (family of drugs including prozac, paxil, and zoloft) for panic, anxiety, and ocd. Short term use of benzo's till the ssri's and skills training you get through therapy is the currently accepted "best practice".  Did anyone recommend the therapy piece to help with the panic and anxiety? It can really help a lot, especially when used with the biological interventions, if you hook up with a skilled, compassionate therapist.

I'm also shocked Pixie, that you were told you were going to be stopped from your benzos that suddenly!
That just seems cruel to me.

Best of luck to you both in your journeys.

I'm doing a bit better today...realizing that massive mood swings are just going to be a part of this tapering process, and I think that I tried to taper too much too fast.
Has anyone experienced a *really really* bad headache when trying to taper or withdraw? I've had a migraine for three days that won't go away. I've tried upping tylenol, then advil but it is not touching it, and I am not going to take more of the vicoprofen than I am supposed to, since I am very commited to this taper. I want to be drug free within two months, hopefully sooner.

WW

[jule1]

Hi Jenny reading your post almost sounded to me like I wrote it I am also hating myself for this weakness with the stupid pill.  I also hate liars and hate lying my husband asked me why there was over $600 on the credit card from pharmacies and I told him I buy my makeuup there too.  I am not a very good liar and I try to change the subject fast.  I was raised in a very strict mormon household so imagine what I was told about mind altering substances growing up!  HOWEVER I do agree that you might want to lighten up the truth a little while your husband is in rehab.  I really admire you for working while having three children I have one and am a stay at home mom so I can't imagine 3 and work!!! Bless you!! You and I need to give ourselves more credit for the good things we do.  How old are your children?  Mine is 16 months a beautiful boy.  I will be thinking of you and always here if you need me.  Lots of love and prayers.  Jules

[SKC]

I have been on all types of anti-depressants, I've had bio-feed back,I'm in therapy and my therpist is great!!!, I've had 9 tx. of ECT.  Remeron and the Klonopin have been the best combo.  I have tried everything that is not in the benzo family but nothing has worked.  I meditate, I have a relaxation tape and all the other tools plus have tried to get off them with no success.  My Dr. is very strict with meds (benzos) so he knows how bad mine are, and what works.  I feel for your migraines, I get stress migraines.  I am a recovering drug addict so tylenol and Advil are my only options.  Take tylenol then 2 hours later take Advil, have you tried the migraine meds OTC? I cant take them due to all the caffeine.  I wish you the best, and remember Panic and Anxiety are REAL!!!!!!  Good Luck in your career LOL SKC

[Thomas]

for all intents and purposes, Klonopin IS Valium and Valium IS Klonopin. We are talking about virtually the same core substance which drug companies "tweak" on the molecular level so that they can come out with a new patentable drug. Some benzos are absorbed faster than others, are more potent by weight than others, some leave the body faster than others, but, otherwise, they are identical in every way that matters. As I said, every benzo binds to the exact same brain receptors. You'd be wise to heed what I say if you want to start passing these facist drug tests. Most of these drug testing places are staffed by a bunch of rejects who couldn't find their butt with a bell on it. I doubt if the person you spoke to could even tell you what Klonopin is. Take it from me, as long as you take Klonopin you will test positive for benzodiazepine metabolites in your urine, which those UA goons only know how to call "valium."

The facts are clear: you know you didn't take Valium. You know you did take Klonopin. You now know Klonopin produces the same metabolites in the urine as Valium. And, now, they say you're positive for Valium. What else needs to be said?

Thomas

[jennyfla]

Thank you Jules, i think you are right about giving ourselves more credit, it's amazing what us mothers actually do each and every day of our lives.
My children are 8, 5, and 16 1/2 months old.  Sounds like our little ones are about the same age.  Kayla was born on 3/4/00.
My lies will be over soon, because i am going to beat this thing.  I almost had it worked out last month while visiting family up north. I was down to taking 1/2 of a loracet 3x a day!  I slipped once i got back home again.  But now my husband is in rehab, so no more trying to blame him.  It was a wake up call when i realized that i couldn't stop even with him not being around anymore, and him actually getting clean, and i still couldn't stop.
I plan to start very soon, and i need to have him here so i can have someone to help support me through this.  I know he will be very fragile in a way himself, so i don't want to stress him out, but i need him here to help me.  Wow, as strong of a person as i am, i can't seem to beat this thing, it has me stumped.  I actually NEED someone for a change.  I'm a 'i can do it myself' type, and anything i set my mind out to do, i usually accomplish it!  This is a toughie!
I wish i was a stay-at-home mommy, i would love that for a while.  At least be able to be home when my kids got out of school, it so hard to work fulltime and take care of a house and kids, and everything else!!!
Good luck to you, i'll pray for you!
Lv Jenny

[cindi]

Hye,  I just read your post above about your husband   the one where you were soooo upset,,Jenny I am sorry  I was not there to talk to you.I feel so bad.just as I was going to respond I saw the new one from today...sound to me like things are ok       hang in there     you'll be ok   love you          cin

[wren]

Is there a max on Vicoprofen? Like a daily max of.....10 (200/7.5s)?

[Witchywoman]

Wren,
I'll answer this here as well, since I'm not sure if you saw my post on the other thread.

A max on vicoprofen..well, the risk of the vicoprofen is the ibuprofen. Ibuprofen can usually be taken for a while before it causes damage, but high doses over time can and does caught gastric bleeding. It can ulcerate your stomache and small intestine, causing internal bleeding and infection.  The husband of a friend of mine almost died from taking very high ammounts of vicoprofen over a year. Ironically, he was so afraid of narcotic addiction, that he refused any pain meds other than motrin, and wound up with a very dangerously infected gastric bleed.

When I was taking up to 15 vicoprofens a day, I did have a time when I found myself having black stool. My Doc told me that this was likely a sign of a GI bleed, and to lower the vicoprofen dose.  I did lower it for a while then, but did the stupider thing and just added alcohol to the vicoprofens so I could get as high with less. That was STUPID of me. Please please don't do that. That will really damage your liver, and your enzymes are already elavated.

My advice Wren is to stick with the ammount that your Doc prescribes for you pain.  I totally and completely can relate to how good the high feels, so I understand that you want to know how much you can take for the high without hurting your body. There is just no easy answer to that one.  Giving up the high SUCKS! I am wanting that high right now, pretty badly to be honest. In the end though, I want my health and my life back more than I want the high.

Good luck Wren, and I hope you stick around. I feel we are in similar situations with this thing, which is to say, I could really relate to your initial post. Particular the anger at the thought of having to give up this drug that at the time, seemed to be improving my social life.

WW

[Witchywoman]

woops, I had a typo in my last comment...

The husband of my friend was not on vicoprofen, he only was taking ibuprofen, which gave him a serious gastric bleed.

[jennyfla]

Thank you Cindi sweetie for your concern!
I'm ok, just sometimes i get into a mood, or something sets me off, it's so very very hard right now, having my husband gone and in treatment.  Not really the 'gone' part, i'm used to doing everything anyway, and have been for a long long time!
It's easier in many ways with him being gone, but hopefully, once he's better, it will be nicer having him here with his family!
I am just so afraid of when he returns home, that i become filled with anxiety, and don't think properly!
I am hoping that everything will be ok, although i know, it's going to be a very difficult road ahead!
Thanks again sweetie!  Hope all is well with you!
Lv Jenny

[Pixieo2]

HI SKC,
I'm sorry I hadn't gotten back to you sooner, but do to my circumstances I hope you understand. I was shocked myself when he dropped me of the medication, I had no choice 1 I literally felt like he was (The Lord) no disrespect Intended. I am very new to this whole situation, could you possibly explain what the Initials mean ?  I'm really not knowledgeable with the phraseology. The best of luck to you also <BG>=big grin. I hope that's what the LOL stands for' I hope this doctor I' have made the appointment with will be able to help. Having to wait three weeks for an appointment doesn't relate good vibes to me, my anxiety is up already ( I'm worried )....

                            Pixieo2
                             or Kathy :)

[Pixieo2]

HI Witchywoman,
My doctor vaguely mentioned seeing another professional doctor. He spent more time explaining that the state was cracking down that anything else. Truthfully I was bothered by the fact that he seemed more concerned about this then me the patient.
I am baffled by the whole idea, and still wonder what really brought this on. I was perfectly fine with the medication I was on, I wouldn't want to start experimenting with new drugs.  Years ago when I had started with the first atacks,they gave me something which I'm thankful I pulled myself off of. My ears were ringing exc..
I knew it wasn't right for me. The body has a way of knowing, mines pretty annoyed that the medication's gone. The more I think about it, indeed this was very cruel.
I'll look for your other thread, I'm having troule learning my way aroud here :)  Psst ! I'm glad I'm not the only one, it's nice to tralk to others :)...

                              Pixieo2
                             or Kathy :)
PS I hope
I can help others at some point myself :)

[Witchywoman]

Pixie, I reread your post, and I think even more now that what happened to you here is medical malpractice.  Stopping a benzo after all those years in only two weeks, with only a referral to a Psychologist is not just bad practice, but dangerous!

Panic and anxiety are very real biologival disorders. Yes, therapy does help them, but that does not mean that it is "all in your head"..what it means is that the mind and the body are deeply connected, and the mind can be engaged to help reduce the symptoms of anxiety and panic. But usually medication is needed as well.

A Federal Mental Health parity law went into effect nationwide this year, stating that anyone with a diagnosed mental health disorder, such as anxiety and panic disorder, has to be given the same priority for treatment as someone with other kinds of medical needs. This is a law now, and HMO's are required to treat it.

Have you tried to make a stink about this? Can you see another Doctor for a second opinion? I think you have a strong case on your hands here, and I encourage you to contact the patient complaints department of your health plan. I'm assuming your health plan has Psychiatrists that you can see, and a good Psychiatrist can help you stabilize the panic with meds and maybe therapy if you want it.

Good luck, and please keep us posted!

[jule1]

Jenny, Kayla and Cole are 5 days apart (born on leap day) imagine that.  This is such a great age but also a trying age.  He is trowing unbelievable temper tantrums!  When is your husband coming home?  It sounds like there are a lot of people here who can tell you what to expect when he comes home.  I am sure it will be hard on both of you for a while.I am thinking of you.

WILDCAT, I am so sorry you are having such a hard time.  I actually lost 2 very good jobs due to my narcotic addictions this is the first time I have ever admitted that.  I think you can keep your job if you can keep things together during this shitty time.  Remember how far you have come and be proud of yourself and look in your dogs eyes and see the love they  have for you and how much they need you.  I will be praying for you!

BIJOU, I hope yoou are doing ok!  THe Ultram has done a lot of the same things to me.  It used to give me energy now it takes it away that is one of the reasons I can't stand it.  I also walk into a room and forget what I was going for I am not sure if that is because of Ultram or being the mother of a 1 yr old LOL!  Did you read my post that I finally told my husband that was a huge breakthrough because now I am forced to get hellp I am just having a hard time finding the right hellp.  I can't believe these abuse counsellors do not kow of Ultram!  Good luck I am always here reading your posts good luck!

[jennyfla]

Oh yes, i know that age very well, so demanding, but so rewarding.  My daughter comes to work with me, and has since she was 6-weeks old :)  I am extremely fortuate.  She is going to daycare soon, soon after my 5-year old starts kindergarden.  I have my 8-year old with me today, and a lot lately because i can't afford her childcare program right now, and my boss has been out alot, i've been kinda sneaking her in, but what can i do.
I have to beat this addiction, it's driving me up the wall.  I wake up and have such a hard time getting out of bed every single day, and that's not like me.  I've had this problem since around February, and i'm sick of it!!!!  I'm in withdrawal when i wake up, i know that's what's causing it.  i just want to sleep sleep and have the world go by without me.  I never understood when my husband was like this, he was missing so much, and now i'm like this.  :(  He tells me it's so great now, but is head is only just starting to pop out of the hole, he has a long long long way to go before he is fully out.  I'm still underground still looking for the way out! :(
I'll find it, i know i will!
Good luck to you!  And enjoy little Cole, they grow up way too fast!!!!
:)
Lv Jenny

[Angelica]

....are you the same Pixie that posted here awhile back, say 3 months ago..or so???  I'm just getting caught up,.. I haven't been posting/reading much lately....
I have to aggree w/ witchey woman......  and I believe you should speak to a malpractice attorney.  We all need to start speaking up.  Our lives are in the hands of the state, doctors, pharmacists and hospitals.  I also run a business, and I know all to well, the pressures of keeping afloat....and "if you don't do it, no one will!"  It's tough esp. coupled w/ the problems your experiencing....  Best wishes!!!

[wildcat]

[Pixie,]
one of my former psychiatrists told me if a doctor cuts you off a benzo that knowingly can cause seizures and serious withdrawal, you have a malpractice lawsuit. You should mention lawsuit and say you need the Valiums and it isn't like you have been increasing the dosages, you have been taking it responsibility and it's not as controlled as the opiods are. Good luck. I need to take my Klonopins before I pass out.

[jbear], hello, thank you for the kind words. I don't have too much to say today. The job went okay yesterday and today so that is good but I feel like ****. My meds are way past due and I have some withdrawal from the Codiene I imagine so I am feeling sluggish and tired and blah. I am not in a babbling mood for a change.

take care and God Bless,

luv, wildcat

[Pixieo2]

HI Angelica,
What a lovely name <VBG>  Angelica if there is another Pixie, then we are not the same person. I came here after struggling and re searching many sites to find some helpful Information.  I might have lurked for a day or two before posting. Gee! I dread the word (lurk) It sounds so evil. Also thank you for your best wishs.I think your right about the law suit, but I don't know If I have the stamina to do this at this time. My nerves are so frazzled and I'm not sure I can handle it, generally I would have no problem. I am be twisted and between and not sure weather I could handle such a battle .

                               Pixieo2
                              or Kathy

[Angelica]

.....Actually, there was someone here w/ the handle Pixie, but I haven't heard from her in a while.  I thought maybe you were her.
Listen, I know you feel horrible right now....but it doesn't cost a dime to speak w/ an attorney......and they will bare all the expense.  You wouldn't have to do a thing....they'll do it all.  Your probably thinking, I need my doctor and can't take the risks, but this could be looked into when your in a much better place in life.  Just consider it....later on.  You do have to much going on right now.  I feel for you, I really do.  When I needed relief from pain.....I had so much fight in me that I was ready to take on the world, and now that I have relief.....I tend to forget about the mishaps, and carelessness in the medical field...but what you are going through is reminding me that eventhough, I'm in a good place right now, where my condition is concerned..... I still need to fight for change.  When this is all straightened out, just make sure (do what ever it takes) that it doesn't happen again....  Don't get to comfortable.   These doctors (not to mention insurance co's) make you feel like dirt, because your well being, and state of mind depends on wether or not they are compassionate enough to go the distance for you.  This subject really burns me up..... there is no earthly reason why you should be going through this.  It's in-humane.  I could go on and on.... just hang in there, and  Keep us posted.

[Pixieo2]

HI Witchywoman & Wildcat,
I'll write what I can <BG> today could have been better, the nerves are shot. I have a GHI plan. I am not sure weather or not some are listed under my policy The Psychiatrist that I made the appointment with dose take Insurance. I wasn't going to let that get In the way of being scene at least for now. I felt I had to start with anyone for now. I wrote to Angelica about the law suit, but I don't know If I have the stamina to do this at this time. My nerves are so frazzled and I'm not sure I can handle it, generally I would have no problem. I am be twisted and between and not sure weather I could handle such a battle.  You'll have to forgive me for copying and pasting this.... I'm sorry I'm so wound tonight. Wildcat prayers right back at yea, I hope you have a better day tomorrow. Weal babble when we can In the future, right now I feel likke great minds think alike :)

                               Pixieo2
                              or Kathy
PS I hope you
Feel better soon :)

[jennyfla]

Please take the advice from these fine people, they know what they are talking about.
You get yourself a 'good' doctor and get straightened out so you can think clearly, your poor dear, and then you go for blood!
These doctors need to realize that they can't just dump people on the street like this!!!!
They're are too many moneyhungry doctors out there that don't think of their patients as anythings more than a $ sign!!
There are many good ones out there too, so you go find yourself one that will take care of your problem, and then get yourself a good attorney!!!
They need to know that they can't get away with this!!!
((((HUGS))))
Jenny

[wildcat]

Kathy,

I am feeling better now that it's later in the day and the went smoothly. Thank you for your concern and prayers.

I can understand your mind meltdown as I call it. Benzo withdrawal is just like alcohol withdrawal it is considered life threatening. You are already developing DT's. [Delirium tremens.] You sue your doctor for putting you in a life threatening situation.

Benzos are different than booze withdrawal in that benzos can cause seizures as much as a month or more after cold turkey stopping.

That doctor should have his/her licsense removed in fact you can call the american medical society and complain and call your local medical association for starters.

They'll get you the help you need. If I was you I would go to the emergency room and say you are on Valium withdrawal and explain you took for how ever many years, your doctor moved and the new one cut you off. Say you are going into the DT's and tell them how confused and mind scrambled you are. It only gets worse. They probably will give it to you right away, especially if you talk about suing that other doctor if you have a seizure. Your life is truely at risk. I will be praying hard for you to get what you need. [May the Lord God help you now as I type and bring you to the right place to get the medicine you need. Amen!]

God Bless you too,

wildcat

[SKC]

Thanks Thomas for being such a great help.  I have 11/2 wks left to see what the outcome from the other lab says about the Valium. This sure makes me uncomfortable what you said and I guess if they decide to say its Valium than I've lost my job. I hope my "HP" will step in.  Thanks again for your concern and in fo!!!  Sandi, Pixie I hope things are going better for you, and thanks for your concern, FYI, LOL means Lots of Love, and you can call me Sandi.  I hope you head to what other people have said and continue to hang in there!  Cindi and Francoise and WW, I say hi to you all!!!    LOL Sandi

[SKC]

I know that both valium and Klonopin are benzo's, but the Lab says I'm taking valium and I'm only taking the Klonopin.  They did a Spectrographic Analysis of the urine and it stated Valium.  Why would this be?  I have not taken any Valium or any other benzos except the Klonopin and the lab knows that my test will be (+) for benzos and for the Klonopin. Talk about anxiety, I'm doing all the tools that I have learned in my recovery to use to prevent relapses and this really has me upset.  I dont want or have the desire to use, but I will be testing for 5 years and I've been on benzos 20+ years and have tried other meds for my Panic Disorder and other methods of controlling these but with no avail.  Thanks for your response. SKC

[Pixieo2]

HI Yea my Friends,
This Is meant for those of you who took the time out of your life's to help someone like me when Indeed I needed this help more then you'll ever know.

So! SKC and Witchywoman and also Angelica along with wildcat......LOL.... there's so many to thank <VBG>=very big grin. Jennyfla Psst! you and all these other great folks have shared and given me the strength I needed to get help and back on track <BG> Cindi and so many others here on this forum,
YOU GUYS ARE GREAT !!!.....
I found a Wonderful doctor who had agreed that my original doctor should HAVE Never dropped the Valium medication which I was on for so many years . I really don't think I could have gotten through those rough times without the support that all of you had given me. I am still trying to get over what took place In my life and the doctor said It's going to take a couple of weeks to steady my nerves and body back.
I thought I would keep you posted !! Gee I don't know how to work around this forum.LOL... either I didn't know where I should have written that I wanted to receive mail, but I guess I botched that at that time as well. I'm going to get myself straightened out and see If I can help yea here a little bit.  Trust me It's only been four days but the mere thought has got me feeling better. Your all In my prayers <BG> and yea I mentioned all of you to the new doctor. {{{{ HUGS}}} to all and I'll be back In a few days .....  My Email address Is below <G> Maybe someone can share
where I'm supposed to fill out how to receive mail on this forum :)....

                                              Sincerely,
                                            ***@****
                                               or Kathy :).......

PS I'll be snapping my
fingers and bopping before I know it... LOL...
God Bless all of U.......with lot's of Love :)

[Angelica]

....I'm so happy for you.  I really appreciate your enthusiasm about this fine group, as I'm sure everyone does.  Now that you've found a new doctor.... if anything, you should consider, at least, writing a letter to this other doctor.  I have become a firm believer in "voicing my opinion" where my health is concerned... it's up to us to initiate change.  In a word: "hit 'em w/ both barrels!" LOL  You go girl(Kathy)!....
Love,
Angelica (:

[jennyfla]

Sounds like you're on your way Kathy, so glad you found a good doctor!
Good luck!
Lv Jenny

[SKC]

I'm so glad you found another Doctor. I hope everything works out for you now.  I'm still waiting for the final drug analysis to come back.  They still say Klonopin had nothing to do with the +.  Its in Gods hands and he and I know the truth!  Good luck and I'll say hey to all and LOL Sandi

[mntwister]

Hello, I have just joined what I think will be a helpful forum. In 1994, I had my first panic attack. The doctors then put me on Klonopon, 3mg a day, which I was on up until 4 months ago, when I checked into the hospital for treatment of cocaine/crack. I knew I was addicted to the klonopon after that many years, and really never increased my dose except on the 2 nights a week I did cocaine.  My point here is, although you do not mention problems with addiction to klonopon, PLEASE try other methods to ease your suffering besides these benzos, which I was taught at the treatment center are really only good for short term anxiety and sleep problems, it is not meant for long term.  They put me on pheno-barbitol (spelling?) so I would not have a seizure coming off the klonopon. I was miserable for over a week, and after that, I started to feel weird things happen, such as being scared to death from a tap on the shoulder, horrid dreams, strange feelings in my legs and arms. I was informed that because my system was sedated for so long, this was over-reaction of the central nervous system, now "feeling" things as they really are, not tranquilized.  I have been off of it for 3 months now, and must say that everything, hearing, smelling, tasting, sexual activity, all are much better. The anxiety is gone, strangely enough, I realized I was only taking to klonopon to avoid the horrible withdrawl, which happened every time I tried to stop myself...the treatment center and doctors said that there is no way after that long on the drug was the same dose even working anymore.  It's all a vicious circle....I am not saying the drug is bad for EVERYTHING, but from the horror I went through I would like to offer you my experience hoping that it can help at least one person from going through the same thing> Good luck and lots of love. Robert

[mntwister]

PS: VALIUM and all benzos (klonopon ) act the same way in the long term.