Kyjobro

Good Morning! You mentioned the Suboxone Dr. and I was wondering when your appointment is and how everything is going for you. About 6 months back I was looking into the Sub but it sort of had a bad rap from people on this and other forums. Now after Fladdict's experience(an awesome inspiration by the way) it seems more in favor. Anyway my point....I am now thinking of checking it out myself again but still have some reservations so I am really looking forward to hearing about your success with it. Thank you for posting and please keep us updated. I am hopeful it will be the answer. I am also afriad, as you mentioned also, that it is the last hope and if it doesnt work well then what???
Also has anyone heard from a lady named Creek? She would post off and on and we always seemed to be going through the same experiences. It would seem she was tapering when I was, she would fall off when I would, try again when I would ect...Last I heard I thought she may have been checking into a rehab? Creek if your out their I hope you are doing well!

[1dery]

Sorry I put an extra o on your name

[kyjobr]

Hi, I almost didn't see this posting.  There was so many updates since the last time I was on.  I will make sure to update as I begin my new life!.  I have definetly noticed two very distinct sides of the issue.  It seems like it's cold turkey vs. suboxone and it makes it difficult to get unbiased info.  I did find another board just for suboxone. Look back a couple pages and you'll find it. There's a ton of good info on there.  I've got the same user name so maybe I'll see you on there.

For me going c/t was not so much of a problem.  My problem is keeping clean.  So even if the only thing that comes out of this is a red flag on my insurance, that will be a step in the right direction.  What the doc told me is that sub will not take all the cravings away but will make it much better.  If you're anything like me, the mental w/d's and cravings were so much that I couldn't focus on my life. I was constantly kicking myself and feeling like a horrible person because I just KNEW I would call in that next refill.  Worst case scenario, even if I had to be on it for a lifetime (not my plan) at least I won't be going through w/d's every other week, having to make up excuses to my kids, husband and boss.  I won't be having massive mood swings which confuse the hell out of my kids.  They don't know if I'm going to be in a wonderful mood and want to have "family day" or if I will be pissy and lay around all day.

The other thing I assume is that only those with bad experiences would be posting.  I would think that if you're having a great time and life is great, you'd be busy out living it.  I don't know about you but I know I typically only come onto these boards when I'm feeling low, not when I'm doing well.  Just human nature.  good luck in whatever you decide to do!

[kyjobr]

Well, I took my last vicodin about midnight last night.  Woke up with mild w/d's as usual and they got progressively worse through out the day.  I took 4 mgs of suboxone at 5:30 and I wasn't as far along in the w/d's as the doc said I should but I had no problems.  All w/d's went away in 5-10 minutes at the very most and cravings for everything including cigarettes was gone!  I did get quite the high from it too which was a surprise.  I'm sure that will eventually discontinue.  

I plan on keeping my dosages as low as possible especially since you don't build a tolerance and I know that even though I got a high from it, more sub will not get me more high.  I finally feel like I've gotten some control back in my life!  I never felt like this even after finishing cold turkey (multiple times).  I always had a feeling of waiting for the other shoe to drop.  Now I feel like I've given the angel on my shoulder a great weapon to use on that awful little devil on the other shoulder.  

Next step is to find some NA meetings and a good psychiatrist. Also, there is an amazing site dedicated soley to sub users.  They have online chats several times a week and they are so supportive and wonderful.  They were in the chat with me when I took my first dose and stayed for another hour just to make sure I was completely ok.  I've posted the link before but I've added it here again.  http://www.naabt.org/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=11.  It was started by just two people who felt others needed help.  Not some major corporation or pharmacutical company.  Good luck in whatever you decide!

[1dery]

WOO-HOOOOOOOO, thank you so much for sharing and thanks for pointing me to that other forum, it gave me alot of hope, so I am definately going to find a Sub Dr. in my area, acutally I have the # written down right here just have been sooo scared to call. Keep us updated and good job!

[kyjobr]

do you have the same name on that forum?  I'll look out for you.  I was scared to death too.  But in the middle of the night I woke up and had a good relief cry because I can't believe I actually, finally did it!  Once I got on the phone with the nurse at the doc's office the ball started rolling and I felt better and better.  The key was just making the calls and getting in ASAP. I think if I wouldn't have waited more than a day or two to get into the docs I would have chickened out.  It felt sooo good to have an honest conversation with a doc about what I was actually using.  It takes so much energy to keep up all the lies!

Please let me know what you decide and I would love to email with you but I don't know how to post my email without getting in trouble.  I guess I can say it's the same user name + hotmail.com.

[LadySundown]

There are several ways to get clean. A person just has to chose the way that's best for them. Sub is great if you use it like FLaddict did. Just a short time. Some people can quit c/t and that's another way. I tapered off of fentanly pain patches and have been on nothing for 24 days.

We are all different so we have to find a way that will work with our need to break the addiction. It doesn't matter what road you take as long as it leads to being clean and sober.

Take Care.....LS

[FLaddict]

If you have any questions about Sub just give me a holler.. I did a bunch of research b4 I did it.. and there definately is some good info you will not get from a doc... they just don't have enough experience with it yet..

[1dery]

Lady-congrats on your 24 days!! I have tried the different ways just havent found the way that has worked for me yet. That is why I am exctied that some people are finding success with the suboxone. Do you still have cravings?? That part worries me. I do know I need to find counseling to help with my underlying cause of addiction.

Kyjobr-I havent signed up with the other forum yet-just read alot. Ill send you an email later today with my story.
Hope everyone has a great day

[1dery]

Thanks Steph I will. I have been very hesitant, I blame it on the fact that there is just not enough known about it yet, but the truth is the addict in me may not be ready :(. I also have very real pain and that scares me. I have neck and back issues very similar to yours but of course I do not just use the pain medicine for relief. I sooooo wish i could get back to the point when I did but those days are long gone.I watched you struggle with your pain this week and was very impressed with your courage to stay away. WIth those headaches from the neck Im not sure I could. Im taking baby steps now and not giving up hope. Thanks to everyone for their posts and support.

[FLaddict]

When you  are ready and want to know the "truth" about Sub  just ask... my email is all over this site so just shoot me a mail.. most of the members have it if you can't find it..
The Sub does not help much with pain.. this is true.. Start taking steps now for the treatment of your pain so when you get off the pills you are already started.. I wish I would have done that..
I am feeling better today... thank god.. headaches are more "normal" and soreness is going away some.. I think I wasnt ready to start traction yet... so back to baby steps..
when you are ready... I am here..

[kyjobr]

I didn't see an email from you but I had a ton of emails when I checked today.  Unfortunatley my mother suddently passed away on Saturday so I hadn't checked in a while.  Hope you are doing well.

[1dery]

I am VERY sorry to hear about your mother.  I havent sent the email yet, not alot of time this weekend. Are you doing OK on the new meds? Again I am sorry about your mother.
Talk to you soon

[kyjobr]

yep, doing well.  The first day was great, 2nd I felt a little too "high" (doc says I am one of the very few who do get a buzz) so I lowered my dosage to just a 1/4 of a pill and I've been fine since.  I just went through 2 days of hell watching my mother die and still didn't use.  I had everyone around me popping percocets for pain, to help sleep etc. and I didn't even want one.  The sub is amazing stuff.