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Late Allergies
by Scion, Jul 28, 2002 12:00AM
I suppose that by now I may know that it is true, but, outof curiosity (and, having neveer asked professionally before):
My wife (now 39) used to NEVER have any problems with alcohol intake and, she also was never, ever even remotley close to addiction or alcoholism, period. She might have had a glass or two of wine (she hated beer and/or most harder liquor, although, she would occasionally accept some of the fruit based or oriented, flavorful, alcohol-laced beverages.
Then, there was simply a non-planned for but rather, an incidental wherein she had no occasion to ingest alcohol for some 2-3 years. Later, at a Holiday Banquet, she asked for White wine.
We almost took her to the hospital! Her throat "closed off," she became "hot" and flushed, i.e, she had a terrible reaction.
Since that wasa first time, she has twice (since) taken the slightest sip of Wine's (other brands, colors, etc.,) and the last time, ONE DRINL only caused the same reaction and included wrist, face, ankle, etc., swelling.
So (obvioiusly-duhhhh) she is allergic to Alcohol....or, is she?
My question then: If she is allergic to it, why not from the beginning? These reactions NEVER occured before those times aforementioned. AND, I have heard of similar situations from others.....Actually, I suppose that after having come across your site, I am just taking advantage of an opportunity to gain some informing guidance and understanding.
THANKS
Scion
My wife (now 39) used to NEVER have any problems with alcohol intake and, she also was never, ever even remotley close to addiction or alcoholism, period. She might have had a glass or two of wine (she hated beer and/or most harder liquor, although, she would occasionally accept some of the fruit based or oriented, flavorful, alcohol-laced beverages.
Then, there was simply a non-planned for but rather, an incidental wherein she had no occasion to ingest alcohol for some 2-3 years. Later, at a Holiday Banquet, she asked for White wine.
We almost took her to the hospital! Her throat "closed off," she became "hot" and flushed, i.e, she had a terrible reaction.
Since that wasa first time, she has twice (since) taken the slightest sip of Wine's (other brands, colors, etc.,) and the last time, ONE DRINL only caused the same reaction and included wrist, face, ankle, etc., swelling.
So (obvioiusly-duhhhh) she is allergic to Alcohol....or, is she?
My question then: If she is allergic to it, why not from the beginning? These reactions NEVER occured before those times aforementioned. AND, I have heard of similar situations from others.....Actually, I suppose that after having come across your site, I am just taking advantage of an opportunity to gain some informing guidance and understanding.
THANKS
Scion
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there are a lot of informed people here, i would venture to say half the regulars are nurse's.
my father is a member of aa for 37 years and sober during
his 37 years there.
I know that people do suffer allergic reactions to alcohol,
especialy wine. the allergic reaction to wine come from sulfites used as a preservative in wines.
i myself had never suffered from any allergys (allergies) untill i turnd 37
years old , the doctor told me that a lot of people don't suffer from allergys (allergies) untill there late thrities or early fourties.
the swelling of the throat is an allergic reaction known as
ANAPHYLAXIS and it is very serious and you should cll 911 and see a doctor about it asap.
there are internet sites on the subject , like
WINE,BEER OR ALCOHOL ALLERGY.
ALLERGIC REACTION TO ALCOHOL.
you can find them on metacrawler
hope all goes well
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
example--throwing up, serious headache, chills. not from alot,just one beer!
I hope this answer/opinion was fast enough for ya!
Regarding weaning or stepping down off a high dose of opiates:
I've done it both ways with my drug of choice, Ultram (acts on same opiate receptors)... VERY nasty drug, I may add. Anyway, I've been drug-free for a while now, and the only way I could achieve this was to cold-turkey it. The weaning down only prolonged the suffering for me, and as my little addictive personality would have it, if there were 2 pills to be taken, I'd take 4! In my opinion, it's best to suffer for the first 4-5 days, and REMEMBER the hell you went through so you aren't as tempted to pick up where you left off. (Easy for me to say now that I'm sober! If i'd had an unlimited supply, I'd have NEVER quit!)
Good luck in your search for answers... I'm sure you will hear MANY opinions, it's up to you to decide which one, if any, to pick!
Jess
does it make any noise ,if knowone
is there to here it.
what was your question agian
Fishman, I am completely confused....... do you mean you haven't drank since starting with the codeine? where you an alcoholic when starting to drink in the earlier years........ you have to be a little more clear so we can understand. But in anycase Alcohol when mixed with any opiate can cause ALL OF THE ABOVE, it can make you dizzy, light headed, give you the shakes and worst of all, I have gotten some AWFUL headaches!!!
i had to laugh to myself when i read fish's question because
it was hard to understand. i hope he post back with a simple way of putting it.
gwh last i read you were doing good , i hope tht is still the case.
have a great day
Yes, I'm doing very well, I have been sober for about 37 days, I think.... I'm not exactly sure because I try not to keep track, I think keeping track keeps me thinking about drugs....... But anyway, I'm as clean as a whistle and I am loving life. I have paid off my dept, both drug related and school related, I have a new car, well its used, but its a '99' Audi A4, its fully loaded, so nice!! and MOST IMPORTANTLY I'm starting to research Engagement Rings!! I have been with my girlfriend for a little over 2 and a half years, its a great situation, I would be an idiot to screw this up. I'm only 22, I don't plan on actually getting engaged until christmas of next year, so I will be 24 years old. I could go on but this is not the place. So to answer your question, I'm doing great and the drugs are seeming more and more like a bad nightmare I had. The biggest thing that is keeping me sober is $$$$$ I'm starting to realize I make a good amount of money and when I don't spend it on drugs, I have a lot in my pocket!! Also, everyday, I get more feeling back mentaly, do you know what I mean, everyday I laugh more, I get excited about things, I become more interested in work, but the most noticeable is the laughing, honestly, I don't think I laughed, and I mean truely laughed more then twice in the last year, the drugs rip you off from real life and true emotion, it sucks....... how are you doing?
GWH
then you said as a teen you were addicted to codeine .
then later in years you suffered an allergic reaction to alcohol
i do not think one has anything to do with the other.
allergic reactions to alcohol can happen to anyone at anytime
in life, people who are alergic (allergic) to alcohol have a lack of a certian enzyme that matabolizes alcohol it known as
acetaldehyde-dehydrogenase.
keep up the good work.as fer as myself things are great too ,
been clean for 4 months today, ive benn going to na meetings.
me and my wife just bought a new home last friday. the view out the back of the new house is like a post card , trees and a creek. i took the day off today my first day off from work
in 3 months. other than the rageing heat and humidty it's a
great day. iknow what you mean about laughing , it's a wonderful
thing. someting i did not do for a few years.
stay clean and talk to later.peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ultra girl i went through some rough times with the with drawls
from the ultrams also. i hope you tapered down a little bit.
instead of going from a large dosage to none.
the receipe here on the fourm really helps with the withdrawls.
500 mgs of l-tyrosine 8 a day week one then to 4 a day the weeks
after that. they realy hepl with the with drawls.
along with the rest of thr receipe.
good luck and keep posting, you will be alright tho you don't feel like it. it does pass.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!michael
Its great having money, I'm going to Marthas Vineyard next weekend with my girlfriend, we are going to get a place near nantucket, and then take the ferry over the next morning, maybe rent a couple of bikes and just relax on the beach somewhere.........
well once again, congrats!
GWH
GWH
GWH
As for doing rehab or other options, if you can taper, that's probably a good thing. I couldn't do it and agree that it seems to prolong the agony. I went cold turkey each time. BUT, if you can taper down first and then quit cold, it might make the WD a bit easier. I did it inpatient and at home. I actually did better at home, because I was really ready to quit. I've gone without anything because I ran out, and had nothing to "mute" the WD. That was hell and I did it many times. Easiest for me was doing an at-home detox using a cocktail of meds to mute the WD. Some disagree, because one of the meds is a benzo. But I did fine and only took these for a week at the most. I posted the info on another thread; look for the comment to Chuck.
Ultra, if you feel that bad, you might go to an ER or call a doctor. You're suffering hell, I know, and I really don't think that's necessary. Get help. Just remember how awful you do feel and never let yourself get back to this. Ultram is a bad drug, in my opinion. Not safe at all. I had a seizure while only taking 6-9/day.
GWH and everyone else: I think the l-tyrosone works best with those vitamins. You'll find it in some combinations. I've taken both straight L-tyrosone, 1000 mgs, and something called "non-acetyl L-tyrosone", which is 300 mgs. The non-acetyl works tons better, hands down. I understand it is supposed to absorb much better in this form. I just bought some more, in a combination called "Mega Mind." It has the non-acetyl L-tyr, lots of vits, plus a bunch of other stuff. I took two (says take 1-4) and can actually feel it work. It's great.
Hope everyone is doing okay. I'm still fighting the dragon but am at 4 months on August 1!
tracy
as far as the b-6 i take it bye it self 2 100 mgs with the receipe in the morning. the reason i take it the morning is some vitamine have a tendency to keep me awake at night , and i
can'y have that , i definitely need to be able to sleep.
gatoraide keeps me up at nite if i drink in the late afternoon.
fish man codine alway made me sick by itself, let alone mixing it with acohol.
mixing any drugs with acohol is always playing with fire.the codine upsets your stomich , that why it makes people sick
i think it has to do with the levels of acid in our stomich
wine is very acidic people with acid reflux get really sick from codine or wine.
im sure other people know more about it then i do.
peace and have a good night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Mixing substances kills--please do yourself and everyone who loves you a favor by _never_ mixing.
I am not sure if there is anything more dangerous than drinking on benzos. Especially on medium to large doses, You can blackout and just go away, forever. Beware.
he was 35 and he was drinking a little beer and taking some
xanax,he ahd gotten away with that many times , but the
last time he did it he had just won a law suit from
workman comp and had a few thousand dollars in his pocket and he went back to hang with his highschool buddies they were all 35 and most of them were herion junkies and they spiked his beer with some herion and he fell asleep on the couch at the apt of one of his old freind ,they took his money and went out to cop
and he never woke up , they found him 7am the next morning.
when they got back.
idi not find out the truth untill about a year later when the guilt of one of the person's there could not live with the guilt.
that person was the best man at my second wedding.
i told him to forget about and that it was not his fault
my brother had a date with death .he had been totoly clean for 12 years in na . but a nasty divorce sent him back to the drugs.
with him getting a settlement of over a hundred thousand dollars
was was going to kill one way or another.
i did not know that xanax and herion was a deadly mix unill
i saw it on sixty minutes one sunday night.
well he only got to spend 2o thousand of the money ,
i put the rest in a trust fund for my neice who is now 12
and talks about every day.
peace
Although my husband's death was the one closest to me, I know of others who have died using a mixture of alcohol and drugs. I was at a party one night and a girl was passed out on the floor--the party was raging but she was out cold. Everyone partied around her (including myself), until someone finally realized a couple of hours later that she hadn't moved and--well, she didn't look too good. She had taken valium and was drinking on top of it. She was dead and no one could revive her. I didn't really know her, but I thought about that girl many times after that.
Just another story to bring home the importance of not mixing drugs and booze.
When you ask "When do you think I will feel normal again?"
I've got to say, that if you're anything like me, I've never felt "Normal" in my whole life, unless I was abusing something. I guess the thing you can look forward to is that once the drug has been totally out of your system for about a month, you can start to have days where you don't even think about popping a pill, (or taking a drink for that matter)...
Once you get "Out of yourself"; a problem that most people with aditions have, you can start taking time to focus outside yourself on family matters, or an interesting hobby, or even volenteer work. It's amazing how just getting out of yourself will help you in the long run. You will get up on a monday morning and think to yourself, "Holy ****! I didn't even think of an ULTRAM all weekend... I'm really succeeding at this!" --Don't get me wrong; it takes time, but it will happen!
Once again,
Goo luck--
Your fellow Tramadol freak, _Jess_
Would you be kind enough to put your recipe (talking about the l-tyrosine, etc.) down so that i can go get these.
Friday I am telling my doc that I want OFF this duragesic patch I've been taking. I don't know what he'll do or what to expect, except I do know that w/d's are no fun. I can't stand that feeling.
I know I will need help, and I know I can taper, or whatever, just don't want the w/d's. I can't handle that at all.
I am worried about the pain, as well, but don't know what to expect going from the patch back to pills, and then tapering. Anyone know?
Thanks very much.
tracy
good luck,
WW
ps I've had good luck with 5htp and SAM-e too
I especially wanted to say something to LADYSOPRANO...I am a 25 yr old female...oh I'll make this simple as I can...(LOL)..I have been addicted to hydro's for 2 yrs now and have gone threw the WD's at LEAST 20 times...I know I know, how silly right? WRONG...you think that after all those times I would quit, but due to a medical issue, I can keep getting 90 tabs a month. The thing is to LADYSOPRANO, I have been in her shoes!! Just 2 months ago, I forged a script and not only at one pharmacy but 2, yeah 2. The thing is my work found out and fired me 2 weeks after I had tried this stupid stupid thing. I am a very pretty girl, and I almost threw away my career, (I am in school to be a nurse), anywho...neither of the pharmacies did anything!!! WOW you say, tell me about it!! On the other hand my work fired me and told me the legal department is looking in on my case. Now ? to all....It has been over 2 months since they told me they were "looking in" at the situation, and NOTHING has happened so far. The ? is does anyone think they are going to do anything? I am FULLY aware that I have a problem, I have admitted it to my boyfriend, and told him what I did, and I am now almost 2 weeks clean. That doesn't stop me from calling the doc on Monday to get more meds...I have so many issues I need to vent and I could write and write, BUT I am new to this board, or any board infact, and I am scared. Why does a stupid little pill ruin and control our lives??? Any feedback to this would be extemely helpful, for YOU guys (on this board) know what I am going threw, not anyone else I know!! I appreciate if you read ALL of this and hope for the best for myself and mostly for ALL of you!! I was especially touched by GWH..his story is so real to me, cause he is 22 and I am around that age...thanks everyone...and LADYSOPRANO I would like to talk to you, about the script thing...GOD BLESS to all of this, hopefully I can see the light out of this HELL...
Christine
i remember your saying a long time ago that you were going to wait until you were in a really good financial position - i think most people never feel they are completely ready (financially) for marriage, kids etc - i think that getting ahead together helps build a more solid relationship. if the struggling doesn't push you toward divorce, it makes the relationship stronger...haha
anyway, we just bought a new house too - in andover - great town, yard etc. it is perfect for us, and we had outgrown the one we're in - we'll be moving at the end of aug.
again - congrats on your success - i know you can continue to beat it...you sound happy:)
My girlfriend got very excited when I told her I wanted to take her to look at rings.... My parents even got excited!!! They love my girlfriend. My mother is an incredible real estate agent and is going for her brokers license so that when the time comes, she can sell me a house......
Anyway, thank you for your post, and you sound much happier as well. Then again, why shouldn't you, you just bought a house in a gorgeous town. Good Luck and don't worry about taking 1 amp a day, REMEMBER, you have a reason to take it, its not addiction anymore, its taking care of yourself.......
GWH
Now, let's talk about healthcare......the pits!!!
I'm going to beat this ultram addiction, move on with my life and wake up and truly grow up. I'm 47 years of age for goodness sake - my party days were in the 70's. I want to be me again.....the old fun me.
Thanks for letting me vent. Right now I'm crying uncontrollably as I write this but we all can and will beat are demons.
once you can really only take 8-10 per day, the cold turkey from that amount is much better.
Good luck with the ****!
Jess
Sounds like you have a lot going on. Well I have never forged a script because I was too scared plus I didn't have access to any Rx slips, I have changed the script before, which is the same thing. Either way, you can get busted for that, and I wouldn't jump the gun with your work saying they are looking into it....... They maybe looking into it, there is a lot that people have to deal with and you might be on one of those lists. I'm not trying to discourage you I'm just telling you to keep your eyes open, you know? The queston is, do you REALLY want to quit?????
GWH
I have been reading about some of your experience with Ultram withdrawal and it does not sound too pleasant. I have been taking around 15 - 20 tabs a day for over a year and have tried to stop several times on my own - only to make a day or maybe day and a half and feel so depressed and messed up that I chose to just go right back on them. I have heard people say that tapering down is easier (if you can do that) and an addict of my type may not be able to do this - I have been abusing alcohol and drugs so long. I have been without the alcohol for 2 years, but now it is this ****. If I do go cold turkey, should I check into a hospital or something?
I was ALSO a big time boozer before the Ultram got me! Drop one addiction for another, Right? It reallydoes suck when you think about it! Anyway, I think the best route is to wean yourself down to about 8-10 50Mg tablets per day, then after that, go cold-turkey. I only say this because it was the ONLY thing that worked for me.
You simply "Plan" to have the "Flu"--(because that's about what this Ultram detox feels like.... Well, I won't lie, it's a lot worse, but others will definitely think you've got the flu.)
You just have to let yourself run out of Ultram, and plan to take a Friday-Monday off from work. The first 4 days are definitely the worst physically. Once you've got the majority of the physical symptoms done with or under control, the rest is depression and emotional issues. They WILL get better over time, so don't give up!
Just struggle through those first 3-4 days, and it's easier each day after that major hump....
Good luck to you,
Jess
Well yes I want to quit, but I did just have surgery to my shoulder, making it harder to say yes for real!! If you know what I mean, but I know as soon as the pain I feel, the true pain I feel in my shoulder from the incisions goes away, VICODIN....YOU ARE HISTORY. Actually I just got back from registering for school, as I said I am in for nursing, and I just bought my books and I am taking 2 hard classes...looking forward to this!!! NOT...JK The school thing, which I have been in for 3 and a half yrs now, keeps me on my toes..unfortunately, I study bettr with the F***ing pills, so I have to DO this WITHOUT them, I know I can, at least I am willing to try it!! You encourage me soooo much when you say life is SO much better being sober. The funny thing is I can't freaking remember the last time, like you said, I laughed for real, or even FELT a REAL emotion. It has been for the past 2 yrs nothing, and I repeat NOTHING but FAKE. Under a euphoria that is SOOOO NOT worth it! I look up to you, I didn't think life was better without, but everyday now I am realizing this more and more, thanks to you!!! Life WILL be better...I have almost 3 weeks behind me of being sober, but Monday is soon approaching and guess what? The devil, the devil is calling...on his cell phone of course!! Heheheheheheheeee.....seriously, I thank you GWH for your strength and courage to get throught this HELL...I will be looking froward to hearing from you!! Good luck with your girl, you and I are in the same boat....being that we have 2 great people supporting us, I am not sure if your girl knows about your prob??? Curious though??? My BF does know, but doesn't have a clue as to what I am going through though....he is supportive though, as supportive as he can be!! I will hope to hear from ya...Laters....
Christine
My girlfriend does know, I was very reluctant to tell her, but thanks to a good friend on this forum, GROOVY, I was talked into doing the right thing. And as usual my girlfriend was very understanding, but she made sure to tell me that if she felt I wasn't trying to quit then she was out the door!! she knows how hard it was, she just wanted to make sure that I was really making an effort. She is the reason I'm sober, I hated lying to her, I hated wasting money on drugs rather then saving for a ring, I just hated my life and I hated myself.
So keep up the good work, your gonna get through this, I promise you, you will...... Thanks again, and I will be here for you whenever you need to talk.
GWH
Actually I am from Chicago....I guess the slang is called GHETTO...lol....lol....anywho, you have touched my heart with everything you said...not many people out there actually know what the word compassion is!!! You know? I am glad you now can help others...and what makes it better for me is I have someone who is very close in age to talk to!! Thanks...oh by the way if you'd like to...I would like to know your name if that's ok....you can email me at ***@**** don't want anything from you except a shoulder to cry...if you know what I mean...lol. It took me a while to actually break down and admit I had a problem to anyone, it actually happened a year ago exactly..it was summertime. I told my boyfriend that I think I am addicted to Vicodin...and we tallked to each other for an hour in his truck before we went into the party. We had just arrived at a party that night when I decided to drop the bomb. I didn't mean to do it then and there, it just kinda came out you know? Well regardless...he doesn't to this day actually know know what I am going through!! I wish he could, but he isn't so that leaves me pretty much alone when it comes to talkin' about it. So GWH I am glad you are there along with hippy and alexandra and koala...you guys are great and I am thankful for that!! I will keep posting, just so you know you been warned (hehehehehe)....ok ok enough with humoring myself...ta ta for now...OH yeah...laters...LOL
Christine
Christine
GWH
Christine (hahahahaha)
I don't knows whats wrongs with the way yous says laters.. that's hows we's all talks ins Nebraskas!
Jess(s)
And if the above birthdate is accurate; when you were born at Mercy hospital, Did your mother know a nurse named Betty?
Just curious....
JesseSarpy69
Jess
Regards
Chuck