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Long-term effects of ReVia (naltrexone)?
by Kurt Cobain, Jun 06, 2003 12:00AM
Hey guys. . .was wondering if anyone else here is/has been on naltrexone as part of their recovery. I've been taking 50mg daily since just about a year ago now and have had no problems. Seems to reduce any occasional cravings for the junk as well as stabilize my mood somewhat. I know that its use at higher doses in patients with liver/hepatic system issues is not indicated. Amazingly, with all the **** that I've done to myself, however, my liver screens have always come up fine. . .go figure. As far as I'm concerned, I would take this every day for the rest of my life. . .frankly, no matter what others' opinions may be about naltrexone (some "old-school" recovery people call it a "crutch"), what *I* call it is an insurance policy against doing something stupid in the heat of the moment (which I've been famous for, and I'm sure many of you guys can relate as well). Knowing that once this is in my system in a steady state (as it is, since I take it daily) that I would actually have to PLAN a relapse is just a source of reassurance and comfort to me. I'd love to hear anyone else's opinions on this matter.
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I am sure he will put some voodoo curse on me but I dont give a ****. Baddgirl
I will return on June 20. This should allow all the personal attacks to roll off. If I am attacked in my absence and/or on June 20th, I will know that this is a War Board.
Prove me wrong.
P.S. Atheists don't beleive in Voo-Doo nonsense either.
regards,
Expillman
What the hell are you talking about?
You are a constantly whining little kid who is always looking for a fight.
Go find happiness in life instead of making misery for everyone else.
James
a question is posted and two of our members choose to keep this stupid **** going on... i mean, why? what are you getting from it? why keep it going on?
is chaos so much more familiar to us as "addicts" that we grab onto any chance to fuss and bicker with each other???
ok, revia...
my doctor had wanted to put me on revia after i was in treatment a few years ago... but when i took it i "imagined" that i was having some sort of adverse side-effect from it so i quit taking it... i believe that i just didn't want to take it, had reservations then that i probably wasn't even aware of... as far as it being a crutch, who cares, whatever works, works!!
people have many differing opinions on what "works" in recovery, i think that it is pretty personal and what is good about a board or fellowship of people is that we get to see all the differing ways that people go about getting and staying clean...
peace,
amber
there are some really good questions and isues brouht up in this thread! kind of refrehing...maybe there is more to uss than qa bunch
of pisser and moaners waiting around for our next shot!
so KC, about naltexone....i have very strong (and negative felings about this opiate antagonist. my feelings about this drug shoulf be put aside. enough addicts have had a very a + expierence with it to ignore it. a quote form John Genet is is in order...." oh i beg thee spare your wrath and spare your scorn...for man needs from every creature born"...
and now badgirl, you would like goat boy and and expillman and what ever else he (i think calls himself) banned??!!! my memory is not what it used to be, but were there not similar recomendations for your case?
and lastly, expillman...leave the board for and then come back?!?!?
what will this accomplish. perhaps if in that time you make significant personal changes...what purpose would this serve? leave if you must, please come back when you are ready.
all of you, keep an angel on your shulder
kip
(and i also need too) keep an angel on your shoulder!!
kip
From both my psychiatrist (who now writes the naltrexone scrips for me) and the addictionologist at my last rehab (who originally suggested and started me on it) I got no indication that long-term use would cause any harm -- just curious if anyone else had any other info. Thanks again, Amber. Take care.
Peace,
Kurt
i don't know of any problem that comes with taking revia long term... and you know what, we never really seem to worry too much about long term use of ALL that acetaminophen that we put in our bodies, or the crappy cut that is in heroin, or shooting all that filler in dilaudid... but then we get clean, take revia and start to wonder if it will hurt us! we are fantastic people aren't we!!
what is so wonderful about NA, or these forums online (most of the time) is that i still get to hang out with other addicts... i am and probably always will be the most comfortable with "my own kind"!
peace,
amber
Rebecca
Peace,
Kurt
and if you go to n it will pull up naltrexone ,
ther is about 10 past post on it.
i am not sure but i think naltrexone andsuboxone make up
bup. ya have to check that out .
hippy ,
ps. pill goat , change your name / handle and start over
and pretend to be a real nice guy, as they say in aa fake it till ya make it.
Peace,
Kurt
I wanted to Say Thank You to everyone here that always welcomes everyone without hesitation. I know that the first weeks of oxycontin wd's I was so sick, full of guilt for allowing myself to abuse my pain meds. Went thru 90 oxycodone 5mg pills in 2 days that was just my break thru med, along with oxycontin, ms contin, klonopin, the narcotic fog & isolation I put between myself, my family, & life in general was complete. Was soooo.. sick of pain, operations, counting pills, going from pill to pill loking for relief, I medicated myself hoping to never wake up. Funny I always did. It all came to a head when they pulled my pharamcy records drugs from 2 Doc's, cut off without a pill. My decision was to live or die on street drugs cause I wasn't gonna get drugs from a Doc. The wd was so very very bad!! For the first week my grown children came from out of town to help me, Insurance paid for 1 day in detox with was worthless, when I could finally get off the floor in agony, and out of the bathroom I turned to this site for help & understanding and I found it. I mostly just spent alot of time reading all the threads, I knew then that I was not alone and this could happen to anyone. I think that is why over the last days of fighting in here, have upset me cause if I had seen that from this site first I would never have stayed for help. I hope that hasn't been the case with others in trouble that saw the fighting and hatefullness. Anyone who would cause trouble in here, saying they are coming off of oxy, yea I feel great, is full of ****!!!!
and has proved it with post about goats and **** that don't help anyone at all. The people here are great and I thank you again. However I will lurk for a while till things get back to normal and give someone who needs help some space.
"HOPE FOR PAIN FREE DAYS & SWEET DREAMED FILLED NIGHTS'
Linda {PoppyLover}
I think perhaps I took two or three Ambien. I counted what was left this AM. But a visitor culda dipped in.. i remember taking One, and later thinking it hadnt worked, so perhaps taking a 2nd
Back to the horror. I woke this AM, after a vvv sound sleep (duh!), to discover that the blackout was probable as my hubby repeated conversations the night before. I didnt remember them and told him so. He said I had talked forever to him in the yard, jumping from subj to subj. SCARY
Then I searched my record online, on net to find I had also visited various sites and played various online Yahoo! games. I checked my Yahoo! game record only to discover I had played poorly AND had no recollection of the games.
This came on top of an e-mail from a relative which I had opened last night stating he had Hypotension/glycemia (sp). I evidently did a hypotension search and decided he (the relative) had Diabetes. I, thank God, only sent this one e-mail in this blackout. I am scared and wondering if Ambien could do all that, or if Ahlzheimers (sp) set in at 6 PM???
So my Qs are 2-fold.. What does Ambien do as far as memory/blackouts (I have searched online and didnt get any answers.. would love to pull up that long ago discussion here.. if I knew how..) And what is this (very) low blood pressure condition.. hypo-whatever?
As an aside, if you type in your nickname into Yahoo! search (or most likely any search engine).. it brings up THIS drug BB, or other BBs where you post.. So, if your family is not familiar w/ your postings here, you might want to discourage them from searching the net under yr nickname.
Man, that Ambien episode has me p-a-r-a-n-o-i-d.
Comments most welcome, and sorry I know nothing to contribute to this thread..
Kurt, further down u mention an antidepressant.. i have forgotten the name... but it DEFINITELY causes sexual dysfunction and is extremely evil
`r]w[c`
i didnt read this over and i know it rambles but my heart is racing and jumpy
it should have the letters MHI -search----fourms---register-contact
click the search for past topics and post.
it will list from a to z
peace!hippy
One other thing. . .maybe I'm just really naive, but I got the shock of my life this afternoon. After searching the archives here for posts on naltrexone, in one of the replies I clicked, a window popped up out of nowhere with, like, TWENTY links to online pharmacies -- no scrips needed, in some cases, no CONSULTATIONS needed -- just click on the pills you want, fill in your credit card number, and BAM! I mean the real ****, too -- Vicodin (all strengths), Xanax, Valium, Ritalin. . .even (and I found this funny, if only in a twisted way) ReVia was offered on one of these sites.
I don't know where the hell this came from, or why such an evil pop-up window would appear from a site like this. . .someone obviously has a sick sense of humor. I'm not a "wacko", but sometimes I wonder how "random" things like this really are. . .like I said, since I believe in a force for Good, things like this make it awfully hard to DISbelieve in another Force that just may not have my (or any of our) best interests at heart.
Peace, y'all. . .and let's be careful out there!
Kurt
". . .and has proved it with post about goats and **** that don't help anyone at all."
That, my friend, is a CLASSIC. Thanks for the giggle!
Peace,
Kurt
-rwc-
Peace,
Kurt
Everyone:
I've only been on this forum since last week, when I was home from work sick, but I find myself eagerly coming to it every evening to find out who's saying what about what. And learning new things. I'm getting to know different people by name. I know I'm in a little different position than most of you because I'm not going through any really hard times right now regarding addictions, but I'm still an addict and I identify a lot with what people say, as well as learning a lot more pharmacology. (I guess I'm afraid y'all won't accept me.)
I'm glad that ComicGoatPill has taken a leave of absence because I really don't see what not believing in God has to do with staying clean. Maybe he thinks it's important. The thing that I noticed about myself was that the controversy really rented space in my head. I'd find myself driving to work thinking up clever things that *I* could say. He had a way of ruffling everyone's feathers and keeping them rufflied. Maybe that talent is good for something! Who know?
Also, I've been recommending this forum to my clients and I'm glad they won't be getting on here and having to plow through all kinds of irrelevant bs.
I am currently tapering off of 20 mg oxycontin...doing well with it. hopefully i'll be off this **** soon and can live again. my question is...does anybody know where a site is that compares the different pills and strengths, you know, it like calculates how many percs equal an oxy, etc. hope somebody knows. i'm not having any luck.
love to everybody.
Peace and love,
Suzie
You are welcome to post anything you like, you have my permission, LOL
southernbelle, Their are several people that can help you, I know about taking meds not getting off but you will see someone soon. Post on!
Kurt, if taking the naltrexone helps you to not take the opiates then it seems like a good insurance. As far as it being a crutch, well that really is rediculous. If this is the way that you find helps you and it has worked for you then it does work. I had to cancel refills of my scripts because I know me and I don't want to trip in a moment of weakness. If it isn't available then I can't get it. Sounds like your premise is if I get weak I can't get high anyway so I am less likely to try. I think it is a good plan. I am not familiar with the side effects so that may be a concern but if the benefit outweighs the risk then perhaps you just should consider staying on until you feel you don't need to handle yourself that way. Simply shows that you know you an your weaknesses and act accordingly. Not a crutch, simply a plan that fits you.
rodewc, Ambien... yes yes yes it causes blackouts big time. I was on it for maybe three years and found out I was talking on the phone to other people and walking around sometimes normal other times not. I would e-mail people only to deny that I was doing that but look in my sent box an see I did with a lot of extra letters in the words and making no sense. It was bad. I think I even drove on it. Don't remember a thing. What I found out is Ambien was esentioally causing me to have instantaneous blackouts (it works in about 20 minutes). Then because I had no memory I thought I was asleep when actually I didn't sleep very much at all. You are smart, you found out in a few days.
Ambien has actually been used in some cases as a date rape drug in leiu of rohypnol. I think this tells you how out of it one can get and not remember a thing. It has a very short half life. When I took it I would find that I took more because I didn't sleep right away or something but there would be a lot missing. I was apparently taking more while I was in a blackout. It is not a benzodiazapine but it works on the same receptors. Othe than this information I don't know much more except I will never take it again due to the blackouts. It is very scary. Other sleep aids might be Trazodone which is an antidepressant but isn't really used for that anymore, rather it is used for sleep.
after being on ambien I stayed up 48 hours then finally got some sleep. I had to learn to sleep again. Good luck. Hope this helps.
I think I've been successful getting and staying off methadone. The way I looked at it going into rehab was that I've become dependent on methadone and I needed some help getting off it.
The hardest part for me has been dealing with the day in, day out effects of methadone not being in my system. First (of course), it's hell. You just hang in there and let time pass. Even through the tough part, I never once wished I had some hanging around to take.
For me, staying off methadone has been easy and it's something I am really happy to have behind me. Kind of a "Been there done that and all I got was this damn addiction" thang.
IMHO, successful detox begins with determination overcoming desire. Sure it's hard, but the goal is attainable. All you really need is new found determination to reclaim your life.
Someone a while back (maybe two months ago) responded to a post on this issue saying:
"Sure, it's easy for those of you who've already detoxed to tell the rest of us how easy it is."
While I understand the logic behind that comment, I've got to add that while it may be easier after detoxing to say that, it doesn't diminish the fact that I've been in a similar place this person was. And as I said earlier, if I can get out of this terrible situation, then so can they.
Unlike the majority of the general public, I find strength in a recovering addict. I wonder how many of the "normal" people would have the backbone to go through what we have every single day. And Chronic pain people? Can you imagine having to not only deal with heavy pain every day, but having to FIGHT for something as simple as a little relief also? There's a fight I don't know that I would have the backbone for.
Hope some of the above was what you were looking for. While it is a fair representation of my view, it certainly isn't all encompassing. Every single person in here has their own set of issues and circumstances that may be completely different than my view on the subject. It shouldn't be a matter of who's right or wrong. Only different views to the same objective; Living a decent life.
Peace,
Methman
I heard you needed someone to translate my message yesterday!
I am a sotherner yaknaw! BillyBob
I do know one 80mg oxycontin is equal to 16 5mg percs.
OR Drugdigest.org/DD?interaction?ChooseDrugs ... either one of these should get you there. I hope it helps .... Goldie
I am about as happy as a man could be,(well if Peazy would get on the ball that is) She'll spend days working in that one! LOL
And Lisabet and Jerri, why don't you come up here and talk to us up top! Cat gotcha tounges! (I said that already didn't I?)
Well MrM its 24 percs a day for me for awhile. I don't ever remember being so happy over Oxycontin before. But I sure am glad it will be free.
IF ANYONE CAN NOT AFFORD TO BUY THEIR MEDS GO TO needymeds.com
Bill
Lady- Yes, Ambien is wicked as Hell. I think in that blackout that I took 3 pills (total). I am done w/ that drug too.
Thx
r.w.c.
i could tell you more stories of **** that i have done on halcion and ambien but it would take up too much room... but i have done some crazy assed **** on it!
i take seroquel for sleep and it works just as well and i don't suffer black outs from it. i think taking ambien and having amnesia from it is what being multiple personality disorder would be like...
"following trail of pretzels to phone, hmmm.... there is a cigarette on the floor, my brand... i said WHAT to you on the phone last night mom? ohhhh... and you recorded that conversation that i had with your answering machine..."
peace,
amber
Bmac, thank you! you are sweet! It's funny, I am wildly busy this morning and overslept. But I HAD to come here! I made an excuse that I had to see if someone had emailed me about something (which they hadn't). I thought to myself - hmmm, feels like an addiction!
Huiler
Yep this board is sort of an addiction. Something to do while going through this. Day 19 not as good as day 18... I was hopeful that it would just get better. Oh well, day 18 was nice anyway.
Best to all...
It is simply hilarious to me when a newbie comes into our group who has had a difficult time of putting any string of sober time together, and, when asked if they had considered going the naltrexonne route, say,"Oh, but I don't take drugs!" or "Isn't that HARD on your liver?" as if all the alcohol and/or tylenol or just plain DRUGS that they've been BOMBARDING their system w/ for months or years HASN'T been...LOL Regular liver screens can be done, just as they are w/ hyperlipidemics such as Lipitor or Zocor....W/ monitoring, there is no real reason not to take advantage of such a bolster, IMHO
Best wishes to you---Peazy
I COULD speculate, on this forum, what EXACTLY you MEANT about your "Peazy needs to get on the ball" comment, but I don't think you want to get banned after you successfully (and I don't know HOW) made it through the debacle of the previous week....LOL If you think I am having a hard time figuring it out, guess AGAIN, Doll, because I KNOW you....!!!!!
Clearly, we need to move to email.....:-) Love, Peazy