Long-term effects of ReVia (naltrexone)?

[Kurt Cobain]

Hey guys. . .was wondering if anyone else here is/has been on naltrexone as part of their recovery.  I've been taking 50mg daily since just about a year ago now and have had no problems.  Seems to reduce any occasional cravings for the junk as well as stabilize my mood somewhat.  I know that its use at higher doses in patients with liver/hepatic system issues is not indicated.  Amazingly, with all the **** that I've done to myself, however, my liver screens have always come up fine. . .go figure.  As far as I'm concerned, I would take this every day for the rest of my life. . .frankly, no matter what others' opinions may be about naltrexone (some "old-school" recovery people call it a "crutch"), what *I* call it is an insurance policy against doing something stupid in the heat of the moment (which I've been famous for, and I'm sure many of you guys can relate as well).  Knowing that once this is in my system in a steady state (as it is, since I take it daily) that I would actually have to PLAN a relapse is just a source of reassurance and comfort to me.  I'd love to hear anyone else's opinions on this matter.

[vikequeen]

sorry to hyjack your thread dude but due to Satan and his mindless drivel, everyday the posts become full, can we please remoce this cosmic star ex pill man from here? I for one think hes a sick twisted individual and hes bringing me down, I have been on this board almost 2 years and have gotten tons of info but to continue to allow him to sprew his **** is doing a disservice to us all who are here for the purpose of getting help
I am sure he will put some voodoo curse on me but I dont give a ****. Baddgirl

[Expillman]

I would like to apologize for anyone who I might have offended in this Forum and will impose a VOLUNTARY two-week vacation in which I will not post any message.  

I will return on June 20.  This should allow all the personal attacks to roll off.  If I am attacked in my absence and/or on June 20th, I will know that this is a War Board.

Prove me wrong.  


P.S.  Atheists don't beleive in Voo-Doo nonsense either.


regards,

Expillman

[motox4fun01]

A War Board?
What the hell are you talking about?
You are a constantly whining little kid who is always looking for a fight.
Go find happiness in life instead of making misery for everyone else.
James

[mrmichael67]

I have an idea:  When it is June 20 and it is time to return, DON'T.

[AmberHunter]

DAMN IT!!!! i come on here today and the same **** is going on even though someone asked a QUESTION!!! what the hell is the matter with you people...

a question is posted and two of our members choose to keep this stupid **** going on... i mean, why? what are you getting from it? why keep it going on?

is chaos so much more familiar to us as "addicts" that we grab onto any chance to fuss and bicker with each other???

ok, revia...

my doctor had wanted to put me on revia after i was in treatment a few years ago... but when i took it i "imagined" that i was having some sort of adverse side-effect from it so i quit taking it... i believe that i just didn't want to take it, had reservations then that i probably wasn't even aware of... as far as it being a crutch, who cares, whatever works, works!!

people have many differing opinions on what "works" in recovery, i think that it is pretty personal and what is good about a board or fellowship of people is that we get to see all the differing ways that people go about getting and staying clean...

peace,

amber

[mrmichael67]

Sorry, but I have been completely ignoring him for almost two days now.  I am a long time member here and I am allowed to post what I think.  He has totally jammed this place up for three days and I think he should go.  Simple as that.  And, that is also my last comment on the issue.

[skipper]

hey people:
there are some really good questions and isues brouht up in this thread! kind of refrehing...maybe there is more to uss than qa bunch
of pisser and moaners waiting around for our next shot!

so KC, about naltexone....i have very strong (and negative felings about this opiate antagonist.  my feelings about this drug shoulf be put aside. enough addicts have had a very a + expierence with it to ignore it. a quote form John Genet is is in order...." oh i beg thee  spare your wrath and spare your scorn...for man needs from every creature born"...

and now badgirl, you would like goat boy and and expillman and what ever else he (i think calls himself) banned??!!! my memory is not what it used to be, but were there not similar recomendations for your case?

and lastly, expillman...leave the board for and then come back?!?!?
what will this accomplish. perhaps if in that time you make significant personal changes...what purpose would this serve? leave if you must, please come back when you are ready.

all of you, keep an angel on your shulder
kip

[AmberHunter]

mr. michael, do you have an email addy? would you mind if i emailed you privately? ***@****

[skipper]

my deepest appologys for all the spelling an gramar errors of my last post. perhaps i am the idiot i appearnto be....sorry!!

(and i also need too) keep an angel on your shoulder!!
kip

[Kurt Cobain]

Thanks, Amber.  I, too, am a member of "the Church of Whatever Works" as far as this addiction monster is concerned.  Starting ReVia IS kind of a weird concept for a lifetime addict like me to get his head around -- "wait, this means even if I **** up, I WON'T GET HIGH!  That SUCKS!"  Kinda like putting the candy jar on the top shelf and then burning the ladder. . .but in my case I had some serious incentive to get and stay clean (that were at the time several pending felony counts and probation) and so got into the habit of taking it regularly and, well, here I am.

From both my psychiatrist (who now writes the naltrexone scrips for me) and the addictionologist at my last rehab (who originally suggested and started me on it) I got no indication that long-term use would cause any harm -- just curious if anyone else had any other info.  Thanks again, Amber.  Take care.

Peace,

Kurt

[AmberHunter]

you're funny! but yes, taking revia is like dousing any reservations you might have about EVER, EVER using narcotics again! lol!! i think my shrink had told me that sometimes some really desperate addicts have tried using while taking revia... i believe it, lol!!

i don't know of any problem that comes with taking revia long term... and you know what, we never really seem to worry too much about long term use of ALL that acetaminophen that we put in our bodies, or the crappy cut that is in heroin, or shooting all that filler in dilaudid... but then we get clean, take revia and start to wonder if it will hurt us! we are fantastic people aren't we!!

what is so wonderful about NA, or these forums online (most of the time) is that i still get to hang out with other addicts... i am and probably always will be the most comfortable with "my own kind"!

peace,

amber

[thetxhartclan]

I am interested in this topic, the Naltrexone.  I was on Talwin NX a while back, and I guess it has that in it as well.  I guess this would only be something to use if you were not taking ANY opiates, correct?  I am still on a taper of hydro, and actually still do need it for chronic pain too, but would like to be totally off one day.  Not sure how that will work with having chronic pain, but just wondering.  Hope everyone is doing well today!  

Rebecca

[Kurt Cobain]

Rebecca, I'm pretty sure that you DO have to be completely off any opiates before starting ReVia. . .since naltrexone (the chemical in ReVia) is a narcotic agonist, you must be completely narcotic free for (I think my doctor said) ten days to two weeks before you can start.  Since it is, after all, the stuff they hit you with (in massive doses) when you OD on smack, it essentially "forces" the body through an immediate withdrawal. . .not anything you'd want to have happen, in other words.  Maybe you can find some kind of alternative drug or therapy than narcotics for your chronic pain -- I know there are several really knowledgable people on this site who may be able to suggest something.  Hang in there in any case, and thanks for your response. . .will be thinking of you.

Peace,

Kurt

[hippy]

kurt if you go up to the search ,just abobe you post on this board, it willl take you to the serch site for past post
and if you go to n  it will pull up naltrexone ,
ther is about 10 past post on it.
i am not sure but i think naltrexone andsuboxone  make up
bup. ya have to check that out .

hippy ,

ps. pill goat , change your name / handle and start over
and pretend to be a real nice guy, as they say in aa fake it till ya make it.

[Kurt Cobain]

Thanks, dude.  I'm off to check it out.  Should have thought of that myself, but oh well. . .that's why we all have each other, right?

Peace,

Kurt

[pepsi4]

I had no intention of getting into this, but you obviously other problems besides being an addict.  Get those straightened out and you will find that you will be welcomed back  -- I don't think I need to say anymore....

[mrmichael67]

I posted it on another thread, but I am going to put it here as well:  http://www.uoregon.edu/~iishp/MillerS.html  There is a lot of information about the technical in and outs of it all.  It also shows where naloxone will antagonize endorphins.  Naltrexone acts the same way.  Revia has helped people.  There are also some who always feel in a fog.  When it comes time to replace the pellet, they start to feel better again.  Going on naltrexone is a big decision.

[Poppylover]

Good Afternoon All,
I wanted to Say Thank You to everyone here that always welcomes everyone without hesitation. I know that the first weeks of oxycontin wd's I was so sick, full of guilt for allowing myself to abuse my pain meds. Went thru 90 oxycodone 5mg pills in 2 days that was just my break thru med, along with oxycontin, ms contin, klonopin, the narcotic fog & isolation I put between myself, my family, & life in general was complete. Was soooo.. sick of pain, operations, counting pills, going from pill to pill loking for relief, I medicated myself hoping to never wake up. Funny I always did. It all came to a head when they pulled my pharamcy records drugs from 2 Doc's, cut off without a pill. My decision was to live or die on street drugs cause I wasn't gonna get drugs from a Doc. The wd was so very very bad!! For the first week my grown children came from out of town to help me, Insurance paid for 1 day in detox with was worthless, when I could finally get off the floor in agony, and out of the bathroom I turned to this site for help & understanding and I found it. I mostly just spent alot of time reading all the threads, I knew then that I was not alone and this could happen to anyone. I think that is why over the last days of fighting in here, have upset me cause if I had seen that from this site first I would never have stayed for help. I hope that hasn't been the case with others in trouble that saw the fighting and hatefullness. Anyone who would cause trouble in here, saying they are coming off of oxy, yea I feel great, is full of ****!!!!
and has proved it with post about goats and **** that don't help anyone at all. The people here are great and I thank you again. However I will lurk for a while till things get back to normal and give someone who needs help some space.

"HOPE FOR PAIN FREE DAYS & SWEET DREAMED FILLED NIGHTS'

Linda  {PoppyLover}

[rodewc]

i don't see a search option at the top of this board, hippee, or anywhere on this board, but I remember a discourse on Ambien here a while back. Wanted to look for that/those threads because I had a blackout?? last night. Scared me to East Hell. I took an Ambien.

I think perhaps I took two or three Ambien. I counted what was left this AM. But a visitor culda dipped in.. i remember taking One, and later thinking it hadnt worked, so perhaps taking a 2nd

Back to the horror. I woke this AM, after a vvv sound sleep (duh!), to discover that the blackout was probable as my hubby repeated conversations the night before. I didnt remember them and told him so. He said I had talked forever to him in the yard, jumping from subj to subj.  SCARY

Then I searched my record online, on  net to find I had also visited various sites and played various online Yahoo! games. I checked my Yahoo! game record only to discover I had played poorly AND had no recollection of the games.

This came on top of an e-mail from a relative which I had opened last night stating he had Hypotension/glycemia (sp). I evidently did a hypotension search and decided he (the relative) had Diabetes. I, thank God, only sent this one e-mail in this blackout. I am scared and wondering if Ambien could do all that, or if Ahlzheimers (sp) set in at 6 PM???


So my Qs are 2-fold.. What does Ambien do as far as memory/blackouts (I have searched online and didnt get any answers.. would love to pull up that long ago discussion here.. if I knew how..) And what is this (very) low blood pressure condition.. hypo-whatever?

As an aside, if you type in your nickname into Yahoo! search (or most likely any search engine).. it brings up THIS drug BB, or other BBs where you post.. So, if your family is not familiar w/ your postings here, you might want to discourage them from searching the net under yr nickname.

Man, that Ambien episode has me p-a-r-a-n-o-i-d.

Comments most welcome, and sorry I know nothing to contribute to this thread..

Kurt, further down u mention an antidepressant.. i have forgotten the name... but it DEFINITELY causes sexual dysfunction and is extremely evil

`r]w[c`


i didnt read this over and i know it rambles but my heart is racing and jumpy

[Rodster]

i was on revia for 6months with no problems at all, and it did reduce my cravings somewhat too, and no ill effects when i came off of it either.

[hippy]

at the top ofyour computer screen  on the left
it should have the letters MHI -search----fourms---register-contact

click the search for past topics and post.
it will list from a to z

peace!hippy

[Kurt Cobain]

Thanks again to everyone here for their input. . .but just to "make this perfectly clear" (in my best Richard M. "Tricky ****" Nixon voice) -- I am not on ReVia implants. . .I actually, physically take a 50 mg pill every morning (I like to joke that it's before I actually know what I'm doing :)

One other thing. . .maybe I'm just really naive, but I got the shock of my life this afternoon.  After searching the archives here for posts on naltrexone, in one of the replies I clicked, a window popped up out of nowhere with, like, TWENTY links to online pharmacies -- no scrips needed, in some cases, no CONSULTATIONS needed -- just click on the pills you want, fill in your credit card number, and BAM!  I mean the real ****, too -- Vicodin (all strengths), Xanax, Valium, Ritalin. . .even (and I found this funny, if only in a twisted way) ReVia was offered on one of these sites.

I don't know where the hell this came from, or why such an evil pop-up window would appear from a site like this. . .someone obviously has a sick sense of humor.  I'm not a "wacko", but sometimes I wonder how "random" things like this really are. . .like I said, since I believe in a force for Good, things like this make it awfully hard to DISbelieve in another Force that just may not have my (or any of our) best interests at heart.  

Peace, y'all. . .and let's be careful out there!

Kurt

[pepsi4]

Some people do experience "blackouts" from sleeping pills.  I've seen articles about it in the past -- If I run into any good ones, I'll let you know.  For now, search for "Ambien + blackouts" or "Ambien + side effects" on Alta Vista -- you'll get plenty of hits -- some from other message boards.  I've never used Ambien, so I can't comment from personal experience.  But it would certainly frighten me -- maybe you can try lowering the dose, or changing to another sleep aid?  Hope things go well for you tonight.  Peace to all.

[Kurt Cobain]

Please understand that I love your posts and I know you are COMPLETELY serious. . .maybe it's just the strain of the last few days here, but I laughed like a maniac at the phrase you used to describe someone who has been at the center of the controversy here lately:

". . .and has proved it with post about goats and **** that don't help anyone at all."

That, my friend, is a CLASSIC.  Thanks for the giggle!

Peace,

Kurt

[rodewc]

Thx. I did find a search option here afterall. It wasnt there when looking at a single thread, only when opening the site. I did go back and read the Ambien posts. There weren't as many discussion as I had remembered, unless the archives only save the initial Q & A. I also searched the net for Ambien and blackouts. It's a scary med. I had not used it but 3 other nights, but that was late, past bedtime. I won't use it again, unless  a sleep emergency arises. I would not recommend being w/o my faculties for any reason tho.

-rwc-

[Kurt Cobain]

Oh, BTW, the antidepressant that I mentioned earlier that gave me the "withdrawal from hell" was Effexor XR (venlafaxine).  Never did Ambien, and from what you said, never will, either. . .I don't like blackouts, almost all mine were from alcohol, not drugs, though.  My doc prescribed Trazodone at night for my own sleeping problems, but I almost never take them anymore. . .always feel too groggy and stoned the next morning.

Peace,

Kurt

[Huiler]

Sorry to interrupt this thread but the other thread was full by the time I got your message. Thanks for responding to me, Methman, I really appreciate it. I don't remember seeing any messages addressed to me from you and I don't THINK I asked a question about alternatives for opiates. My main interest was and still is what kinds of experiences and successes people have had detoxing off methadone. And staying off it.But I'm glad you responded.

Everyone:
I've only been on this forum since last week, when I was home from work sick, but I find myself eagerly coming to it every evening to find out who's saying what about what. And learning new things. I'm getting to know different people by name. I know I'm in a little different position than most of you because I'm not going through any really hard times right now regarding addictions, but I'm still an addict and I identify a lot with what people say, as well as learning a lot more pharmacology. (I guess I'm afraid y'all won't accept me.)

I'm glad that ComicGoatPill has taken a leave of absence because I really don't see what not believing in God has to do with staying clean. Maybe he thinks it's important. The thing that I noticed about myself was that the controversy really rented space in my head. I'd find myself driving to work thinking up clever things that *I* could say. He had a way of ruffling everyone's feathers and keeping them rufflied. Maybe that talent is good for something! Who know?

Also, I've been recommending this forum to my clients and I'm glad they won't be getting on here and having to plow through all kinds of irrelevant bs.

[southernbelle]

Quick question....I hope somebody is out there.
I am currently tapering off of 20 mg oxycontin...doing well with it.  hopefully i'll be off this **** soon and can live again.  my question is...does anybody know where a site is that compares the different pills and strengths, you know, it like calculates how many percs equal an oxy, etc.  hope somebody knows.  i'm not having any luck.
love to everybody.

[suzieneedshelp]

Hey u!  Where ya been?  I've missed you..
Peace and love,
Suzie

[bmac]

Hey huiler this site becomes a habit too. Once you face your addiction/dependence you will came back here to help others or to start up trouble like I do! LOL
You are welcome to post anything you like, you have my permission, LOL

southernbelle, Their are several people that can help you, I know about taking meds not getting off but you will see someone soon. Post on!

[LadySongbird]

I am new here and posted before but simply want to say hi.

Kurt, if taking the naltrexone helps you to not take the opiates then it seems like a good insurance. As far as it being a crutch, well that really is rediculous. If this is the way that you find helps you and it has worked for you then it does work. I had to cancel refills of my scripts because I know me and I don't want to trip in a moment of weakness. If it isn't available then I can't get it. Sounds like your premise is if I get weak I can't get high anyway so I am less likely to try. I think it is a good plan. I am not familiar with the side effects so that may be a concern but if the benefit outweighs the risk then perhaps you just should consider staying on until you feel you don't need to handle yourself that way. Simply shows that you know you an your weaknesses and act accordingly. Not a crutch, simply a plan that fits you.

rodewc,  Ambien...  yes yes yes it causes blackouts big time. I was on it for maybe three years and found out I was talking on the phone to other people and walking around sometimes normal other times not. I would e-mail people only to deny that I was doing that but look in my sent box an see I did with a lot of extra letters in the words and making no sense. It was bad. I think I even drove on it. Don't remember a thing. What I found out is Ambien was esentioally causing me to have instantaneous blackouts (it works in about 20 minutes). Then because I had no memory I thought I was asleep when actually I didn't sleep very much at all. You are smart, you found out in a few days.
Ambien has actually been used in some cases as a date rape drug in leiu of rohypnol. I think this tells you how out of it one can get and not remember a thing. It has a very short half life. When I took it I would find that I took more because I didn't sleep right away or something but there would be a lot missing. I was apparently taking more while I was in a blackout. It is not a benzodiazapine but it works on the same receptors. Othe than this information I don't know much more except I will never take it again due to the blackouts. It is very scary. Other sleep aids might be Trazodone which is an antidepressant but isn't really used for that anymore, rather it is used for sleep.
after being on ambien I stayed up 48 hours then finally got some sleep. I had to learn to sleep again. Good luck. Hope this helps.

[MethMan]

Sorry I misunderstood your question.  Let me try again.
I think I've been successful getting and staying off methadone.  The way I looked at it going into rehab was that I've become dependent on methadone and I needed some help getting off it.
The hardest part for me has been dealing with the day in, day out effects of methadone not being in my system.  First (of course), it's hell.  You just hang in there and let time pass.  Even through the tough part, I never once wished I had some hanging around to take.  
For me, staying off methadone has been easy and it's something I am really happy to have behind me.  Kind of a "Been there done that and all I got was this damn addiction" thang.
IMHO, successful detox begins with determination overcoming desire.  Sure it's hard, but the goal is attainable. All you really need is new found determination to reclaim your life.
Someone a while back (maybe two months ago) responded to a post on this issue saying:
"Sure, it's easy for those of you who've already detoxed to tell the rest of us how easy it is."
While I understand the logic behind that comment, I've got to add that while it may be easier after detoxing to say that, it doesn't diminish the fact that I've been in a similar place this person was.  And as I said earlier, if I can get out of this terrible situation, then so can they.
Unlike the majority of the general public, I find strength in a recovering addict.  I wonder how many of the "normal" people would have the backbone to go through what we have every single day.  And Chronic pain people?  Can you imagine having to not only deal with heavy pain every day, but having to FIGHT for something as simple as a little relief also?  There's a fight I don't know that I would have the backbone for.
Hope some of the above was what you were looking for.  While it is a fair representation of my view, it certainly isn't all encompassing.  Every single person in here has their own set of issues and circumstances that may be completely different than my view on the subject.   It shouldn't be a matter of who's right or wrong. Only different views to the same objective; Living a decent life.

Peace,
Methman

[mrmichael67]

I mentioned the pellet because I know of a few that were on it and that is the example I had.  It really doesn't matter what form you take it in.  Naltrexone works the same regardless.

[mrmichael67]

With the pills, you have more control, obviously.  I would personally recommend them if one were to take naltrexone at all.  If it is at all possible, one should avoid them.  They are a last choice option and indicated for a short term use.  Some people do need a little more insurance and that is fine.

[bmac]

Hey MrM , I ain't itchin' no more!
I heard you needed someone to translate my message yesterday!
I am a sotherner yaknaw!  BillyBob

[mrmichael67]

I know of a program you can download that will convert from one opioid to another.  It is here:  http://www.globalrph.com/narcotic_converter.htm
I do know one 80mg oxycontin is equal to 16 5mg percs.

[bmac]

So I will be on 24 percs a day, right? 40 x 3

[theGolden1]

Hey kid ... how ya doin? Try this address.. DrugDigest.org
OR Drugdigest.org/DD?interaction?ChooseDrugs ... either one of these should get you there. I hope it helps .... Goldie

[mrmichael67]

Yeah, you lightweight.

[bmac]

You are just jealous! You wish you had my whimpy tolerance.
I am about as happy as a man could be,(well if Peazy would get on the ball that is) She'll spend days working in that one! LOL
And Lisabet and Jerri, why don't you come up here and talk to us up top! Cat gotcha tounges! (I said that already didn't I?)
Well MrM its 24 percs a day for me for awhile. I don't ever remember being so happy over Oxycontin before. But I sure am glad it will be free.
IF ANYONE CAN NOT AFFORD TO BUY THEIR MEDS GO TO needymeds.com
Bill

[mrmichael67]

The patient assistance programs that many pharmaceutical companies have are a real godsend.  Some have income limits that are pretty high, so everyone this pertains to should at least take a peak.  If a chronic painer sees this and needs help funding their medication, go to http://www.needymeds.com/  There are medications that are available that are non narcotic as well.  Blood pressure meds, cholesterol, etc.  With the expense of meds, it is really nice they have something set up like that.

[rodewc]

Kurt- Yes, Effexor is the name of that evil drug. I decided not to refill it one day (10 yrs ago) and hallucinated, out of body experience. Then I filled it and weaned off for good. Never again.

Lady- Yes, Ambien is wicked as Hell. I think in that blackout that I took 3 pills (total). I am done w/ that drug too.

Thx

r.w.c.

[mrmichael67]

I will concur on the Ambien blackouts.  I have a friend that I haven't talked to in a while who had visuals (hallucinations) on them.  Scared the hell out of her husband and kids.  I don't want to divulge who it is because a few know this person.  I hope she is done with the Ambien, I'll tell you that.

[mrmichael67]

She was taking a non-therapeutic dose, but I have heard people say they get whacked on a prescribed dose.

[pepsi4]

You can download a 14 day trial "narcotic calculator" at :  http://www.globalrph.com/narcotic_converter.htm  .  Or, just do a search on different search engines (AltaVista, Yahoo, etc) for "narcotic calculator".  If you have trouble finding what you want, let me know -- I'll try to help you out.  I'm assuming you need this for "good" reasons (i.e. tapering).  Peace

[AmberHunter]

hey ya'll... when i took halcion years ago i had the same amnesia that i got when i was taking ambien. both are hynotics and amnesia is one of the potential side-effects...

i could tell you more stories of **** that i have done on halcion and ambien but it would take up too much room... but i have done some crazy assed **** on it!

i take seroquel for sleep and it works just as well and i don't suffer black outs from it. i think taking ambien and having amnesia from it is what being multiple personality disorder would be like...

"following trail of pretzels to phone, hmmm.... there is a cigarette on the floor, my brand... i said WHAT to you on the phone last night mom? ohhhh... and you recorded that conversation that i had with your answering machine..."

peace,

amber

[Huiler]

Yes, Methman, that was just the kind of thing I am looking for! It sounds like for you your attitude and determination were #1 important! I'd like to hear from anyone else, too, about their experience getting off methadone, the kind of attitude and also any kinds of physical things that helped. Anyone know how much help you can get in AA/NA while you are detoxing off methadone?

Bmac, thank you! you are sweet! It's funny, I am wildly busy this morning and overslept. But I HAD to come here! I made an excuse that I had to see if someone had emailed me about something (which they hadn't). I thought to myself - hmmm, feels like an addiction!

Huiler

[LadySongbird]

Wow do those ambien stories sound familiar. Glad to know I wasn't the only one... sorry but it's a pretty crazy crazy feeling;. I finally asked friends NOT to tell me about what I did. I prefer to just stay in the ignorant state I am in. I have heard enough that scares me terribly.

Yep this board is sort of an addiction. Something to do while going through this. Day 19 not as good as day 18... I was hopeful that it would just get better. Oh well, day 18 was nice anyway.

Best to all...

[peaz]

I belong to a  therapy group of Professionals who are in recovery, and more than a few have been on naltrexone for a long time.  They swear by it!  The number  one redeeming factor of this "insurance", they say, is that it removes the mental struggle (I believe you use the term "mental masturbation", don't you??LOL)  of "should I use" vs. "should I NOT use?"  Those kinds of volleys can be lethal to an addict's resolution, much like trying to detox w/ a stash in the medicine chest.....It makes perfect sense to me.
   It is simply hilarious to me when a newbie comes into our group who has had a difficult time of putting any string of sober time together, and, when asked if they had considered going the naltrexonne route, say,"Oh, but I don't take drugs!"  or "Isn't that HARD on your liver?"  as if all the alcohol and/or tylenol or just plain DRUGS that they've been BOMBARDING their system w/ for months or years HASN'T been...LOL    Regular liver screens can be done, just as they are w/ hyperlipidemics such as Lipitor or Zocor....W/ monitoring, there is no real reason not to take advantage of such a bolster, IMHO
     Best wishes to you---Peazy

[peaz]

Damn!!  Am I having a breakdown or sumfin??  30 X 4 =  24??    Get the chalk out, you Reb Conservative, you.....
   I COULD speculate, on this forum, what EXACTLY you MEANT about your "Peazy needs to get on the ball" comment, but I don't think you want to get banned after you successfully (and I don't know HOW) made it through the debacle of the previous week....LOL   If you think I am having a hard time figuring it out, guess AGAIN, Doll, because I KNOW you....!!!!!  

   Clearly, we need to move to email.....:-)  Love,  Peazy