Longterm process of body adjustment to no opiates

[MethMan]

What is the longterm process the body takes when opiates have not been present in some time?
After over 7 months of not having methadone (after a 16 year run), I still feel a little achy, the runs are still present (somewhat) and approximately 40% of the time, my energy is "lack lustre".
I do feel better than I have in years, but I still would like to feel... say 18 again.
Thanks,
Methman

[bmac]

I understand your position on religion, no one hates religion more than me. It sux and 99% of these so called churches of God are just money making scams but I can not do as you ask on the respect your opinion thing. I can't have passion or anything but pity for anyone that claims to be an aethist or satanist or whatever that is anti GOD.
I have all the respect in the world for any religion(used loosely) that believes in the ONE TRUE GOD. 'YHVA' HIS NAME BTW
I mean this not out of rudeness or to get this forum into a conversation over God. Everyone has their own opinion on God but I will not be apart of any Kenite BS, and you know what a Kenite is, don't play dumb with me(I can't believe I said that to you)!LOL Anyway Expillman, I have nothing more to talk to you about so I will just pray God will open your eyes and heart and one day you might just make it thru Judgement but on the other hand you prolly won't BUT PEACE TO YOU, our problem is solved and OVER! Thanks man it has been a learning experience but I don't have the time for a Kenite or Aethist! Sorry, so this is Goodbye old foe, we will meet again one day and maybe we can talk this thru!   Bill

[bmac]

Hey, where are You and how are you? I hate it when people come here and vanish like this, please let me know if you are OK
***@****     Bmac

[pammy0690]

Wow!  That is a high blood pressure!  That goes to show what detox does to the body.  Anytime I have taken Clondine during detox it has an additionaal benefit for me in that it knocks me out.  I have naturally low pressure so with the clondine I am in danger of going to low.  I have never gotten Clondine from a doctor I got it from my mom inlaw who had it for menopause.  I guess my point here is to becareful and if you can speak to you Doctor about a detox if you can cause it can be dangerous.

Hippy - the pther thread is closed but I wanted to say that you and my husband have the same problem.  He has a shoulder injury and nerve damage in his neck but also is an addict.  He can't take narcotics and is searching for something to help.  He was on Bup for detox but is off now but his shoulder still hurts him.  One of the many docs we have seen for him said that shoulders can be especially painful.  Also a type of pain that is hard to treat.  Let me know if you find anything that helps.  Pammy

[MethMan]

Hello!
If I am reading your post correctly, it appears as though you are taking 400mgs of oxy for chronic pain, am I correct in that assumption?  Or are you taking that amount to feel "normal"?
The reason I ask, is because if you have a legitimate reason to take oxy (i.e. Hip and back problems), then I would absolutely discuss your idea of quitting with your doctor first.
  I, like you, take Norvasc along with 100mgs of Toprol XL daily for BP. During my detox, my blood pressure was fine until about a week into it.  At that point, it began to skyrocket (210/130 range).  The doc handling my detox gave me Clonopin and it really helped with both the blood pressure AND some of the detox sensations.
If you've decided to quit but are worried over the detox, talk to your doctor.  He or she can help you work out some of the issues you will encounter.
Chronic pain aside, if you want to get off the oxy, it is completely doable.  But you'll need to be dedicated to the cause and you'll need help.  Hopefully, people at this forum can help provide the latter.
Its no fun detoxing and there is no way around going through a lot of discomfort.  But the payoff is well worth the ride.
Peace,
Methman

[bmac]

I have always gotten my meds from the docs office too MrM.
I guess that makes me a legal druggie huh? I wonder if that meets with approval or not. BTW I don't even like hot sauce!Alabama or otherwise!
JK  James, I am not trying to get him started again, just an observation! LOL   Bmac(AntiAethistDude)......

[NotDarkYet]

Wow, can I relate to you!  I, too called my dealer back in April and told him to cut me off, but 2 weeks later I copped and, of course, it was through him- you know, the $$$!  I reached that point as well where I just couldn't see life without getting high, without heroin (and for me, cocaine) everything seemed boring & tedious, it seemed like I needed the fix just to do the simplest things and to feel a sense of enjoyment out of them.  I don't know about you, but I couldn't relate to the regular person, I would think 'how do they get by everyday w/o doing speedballs or whatever?'.  It's a lonely world when we get like that, but it is not the end!

You can do it, you can regain back your old life, the life you lead before the drugs- nothing is impossible, it's just how much you want it.  Yes, the withdrawls are a pain in the ass, kicking heroin is probably the hardest and ugliest thing I have ever done (and I did it way too many times).  No one wants to be hooked, but now I'm going on 2 months & everything is changing, becoming better and I like it!  In the past when I kicked I knew a relapse was more than likely, I just lied to myself and said 'I'll control it next time, be just a 'weekend warrior' or whatever', that was BS.  Or I've kicked and said, 'that's it- never again' set myself up right away.  It's one day at a time and if you really want something bad enough, if you want to put a stop to this mental & physical straitjacket, then you will!  If I can do it (and I was a fiend, shooting around $100-120 a day) you can do it.  

My thoughts are with you.

[needhelpnow]

Here's what I did today. I called my heroin connection and I told him that the cops were watching me and never to deal to me again. I know that this is a weird way to stop but its the only way I was able to quit twice in the past 4 years (once for 8 mos and once for 6). Both times I quit it was because my connection vanished and I didnt seek out more. I feel like now I can get at leat 3 days under my belt! In the past 8 mos since I relapsed I have only not used for 5 days and thats cause I was on vacation and couldnt get. I am a hopeless junkie. I have been lying to everyone who loves me and I lost my job. I feel like I am the sickest addict in the world and that all the lying is unprecidented. However, I know that others have been down this road. I just feel like I cant stand life straight. The longer I use the less I feel like I can cope with life w/o drugs. How do I get ovber this boredom and hatred of life on its own terms? HELP

[percsnomas]

Well my good friend, I'm kind of hoping the good Doc. has one of his "bang up" answers; as i have zero experience with Meth.

I only can say that life after opiates for me, has been for the most part "energized", i believe due to a fairly rigorous exercise program(like 5+ days/week in the gym, with lots of cardio).  It took almost 6 months clean, before i got the high from working out though.....so it just must require time.

I'm not sure what your body will allow(for physical activity), but i can't emphasize how much it helped/is helping me(i think). In whatever form!!!

Many of my aches(i was surprised how many; and in the weirdest places) have slowly dissipated in the last few months also.....either that or i'm just getting used to them.  Lots of stretching(which i never did before) and a nightly soak in the hot tub might be helping also.

As far as the Hershey Squirts go, don't know bud.


I genuinely hope things continue to improve for you sir!!!

[MethMan]

Thanks everyone for the helpful feedback.  Unfortunately, I think the good doc is thinking something along the lines of "Damn, the Indians sure are restless." :)
Come on in, white man with the fire water. We've smoked the peace pipe long enough to chill a bit.
Amber, I know EXACTLY what you are referring to.  I don't want any more of that monster detox either.  In my case, it serves as a healthy reminder to keep running the opposite way.

TO ALL THE NEW FOLKS HAPPENING IN ON THIS UPRISING:

Don't let ANY of this deter you from asking what you want.  Things happen once in a while, then they calm down again.  Some time ago, I came in right in the middle of another (at the risk of sounding like SOMEBODY) "Storm".  I felt a little apprehensive about commenting or asking a question out of concern that I too was gonna get flamed.
But, like will happen in your case, there are people here that will step up and help you.  All you gotta do is let us know you need the help.

Everybody knows, addict folk are the best.  Shizzle, dizzle my whizzles!

Peace,
Methman

[Expillman]

I just passed the 240 hour mark off of Oxycontin.  Having said that, I will not tie up this message base talking about myself.  I'm sure that there are others that are in much more dire straits than myself.

Just one question and I will only speak when spoken to, or help someone if I can, what should be expected after 10 days?  I had the gut bombs yesterday and it was pointed out to me about the rebound effect of opioids.  How many times does this occur?  What should I be on the watch for the next 20 days or so?

[AmberHunter]

was that last line a reference to missy elliotts gossip folks?? lmao!! too cool, and if it wasn't, i am just going to pretend that it is!

amber

[AmberHunter]

possible secondary withdrawls at about 30 days... a little something to look forward to. ;-)

amber

[mrmichael67]

Methadone does not get into the bones.  That is one of the biggest myths about methadone.  Unfortunately, it is a long and drawn out withdrawal as those familiar with methadone can attest to.  And, as suzie said, slight withdrawal symptoms can last up to a year or two in extreme cases.  The methadone is definitely way out of the system by now, though.

[Erika_Ann]

Hello-
I was wondering what happend to you. You asked for my email address but i didnt hear from you. Im so sorry to hear your not feeling so great. It sounds like your on the right track though. You need to give yourself some credit for severing off your ties to the drugs. That is a step forward in recovery. So congrats on that! :)
Im here for you if you need me.
Erika

[pammy0690]

I hope it makes you feel better to know that you have been an inspiration for a lot of poeple since you first posted here on this board.  It was the interaction between you and Bill that made me want to be friends with you guys and I am so happy that I am.  I hope that life gets easier for you I think it will!  Pammy

[suzieneedshelp]

Pammy, I miss you...Come back to us plz.  How r u btw?  And your hubby?
I fergot to mention that I was told post acute withdrawal can peek at 3 to 6 monthes but stil unfortunately go on far beyond.  So.. at least you may be on the other side of the peaks Mike.
Peace and hugs to you bofe!
Suzie

[jack daniels]

i 45 hrs clean from Oxey and feel like ****...but alittle better...will i get much better i the next few days    Help...thanx

[needhelpnow]

I would like to talk to you. Could you post your email address? I am still high but this bag is almost gone and I suspect waking up tomorrow will begin the trial. I feel very liberated knowing that I cannot get the dope like I usually do after a few hours of agony. I will need to talk tomorrow. It will last 3 days of agony and 10 of discomfort. I have not been clean more than 5 days in the last 9 mos!

[Erika_Ann]

Hi hun-
Glad to hear your still around. Please email me tommorow okay?
***@****
Im here for you! Dont forget it!
Luv ya-
Erika

[Poppylover]

needhelpnow What bag are you refering too?? I was very lost on oxy abuse,clean now for 51 days. What can I do to help?

Expillman how much oxy were you taking & did you snort or use the needle? I was snorting and eating the Shi-!!! Very hard CT

[Expillman]

Neither.  This was a legal pain prescription.  I was on for almost 3 years and got up to 240-300mg per day.

BTW, today I felt great!  I got up and ate 4 hot dogs with mustard, A-1, Alabama....I mean Louisiana Hot Sauce, Xtra Red Dye #1 and two Peach NEHIs.   That was just for breakfast.  Then I cut my lawn.

[Poppylover]

My gosh I would be in bad trouble eating hot sauce, I'm a whimp when it comes to spices. My daughter in law comes from Alabama' she is very fiesty. I know alot about pain, been suffering since early 1980's after a boating accident, has about done me in. I never had a problem with narcotics until the oxycontin I think I was trying to end pain & my life. But I'm hanging in here the fog has lifted, the body will hopefully come around. After all {its just a pain thing} Be well,

Linda {PoppyLover}

[hippy]

hi mike, i am not experenced with methadone .
but i have experence with getting clean and staying clean.
when i got clean off drugs and stayed clean , it took me about a year to feel normal. the one thing that really helped
was hardcore exersize, it really gets the endorphines
going.
Iplayed a lot of b ball.
did a lot of smiming.
and bought a 1200 dollar rowing machine which really
help a lot.that is waht i have been doing for the last 10 months
and after a 15 to 20 a day vike habit. my energy level was at
an all time low during the 1st 2 months into my cold turkey with drawls.
thomas's recipe made just getting off the esay chair possible.
it also gave me enough energy to work.
but i was uncomfotable to say the least.
I would look into a real good workout regement.
along with kind of energy drink or vitamines.

i would love to know  what you end up doing and how it works out for you.

peace !!!!!!!hippy

[KimH]

Hello, I just wanted to thank everyone for sharing your stories. I really does help me out. When I feel blah (or more like finding my way back from hell), it gives me hope and encouragement. I think, oh I cant wait to get to that point (or similar to). It gives me a goal to reach, It works better for me to have a goal to strive for! I also asked you to share the hell part which some of you did. The reason for that is it makes me not want to loose everything. I am in college and I think to myself " oh your supposed to party and get high ect." But when your popping fistfuls of pills all day long and I just can't stop once I start. I have gone to class having JOLTS meaning very close to a sezior. I can't believe I haven't made ti to the ER yet! I have weened myself of this 15 times, no more! I hope it will be easier this time, I have a doctor who is helping me. I am not holding the pills (no more counting and trying to figure out what I need and what I can take away so I can have a few more today). I did print out some stories for encouragement when I'm down. sorry so long! Kim H