My Oxycontin Withdrawal Story HELP!

[buffalogal]

I have been taking Oxycontin and Methadone under a Pain Dr's supervision for about two years. My pain comes from 4 herniated discs (2 in my neck from a car wreck and 2 in my back from a compression fracture sustained when I fell off a cliff) and arthritis. Before oxycontin, my pain had gotten to the point where I could no longer work and I spent much of my life curled up in a ball shivering from the pain. I got up to 120 mgs of oxy a day (3 x 40) and 90 mgs of Methadone. Life was tolerable and I could work again, but pain still consumed most of my days. In January 2003 my insurance changed and there are no pain specialists participating in my new plan. It was time to make a change. The choice I made was to stop taking oxycontin. The amount of relief it gave was not worth the amount of money, time spent at the doctors and implications of being physically addicted to a drug. I got a new primary care physician, asked him to help me get off oxy and dropped from 40 mg 3x day to 20 mg 3x day. The pain has resumed with a vengance, and I have started to have symptoms which I now see are withdrawal. Hot/cold flashes, sweating, irratibility, unable to sleep, difficulty swallowing, lethargy and severe depression. Luckily I found this site before I killed myself. My new PCP is an excellent Dr, caring and sensitive but I think we both need a better schedule. Suggestions welcome, also, what can I replace the Oxy with as I have to keep working?
Thank you for your time.

[suzieneedshelp]

WElcome to our site!  Plz feel free to post when ever about yur issues and some kind soul will offer their 2 cents worth or better!  WEll i am certainly no DR. but All i have heard about that might  be worth looking into wiht your insurance is buprenex which is supposed to be very effective for pain and also is used in detox.  It doesnt supposedly give much of a euphoria so not as likely to be abused although  it has been. It is new and expensive if your insurance won't cover it (which i doubt it will).  I just was given bextra which is a new time released anti-inflammatory (doesnt bother g i tract) approved for use wiht severe arthritis.   Might be a good option for u.  
Best wishes to your struggle and hope for yur recovery!
Suzie

[Bodymechanic]

There is no way around it. You are going to have a rough time for a while.  Oxycontin and especially methadone are among the worst drugs to withdraw from.  The suggestion to use buprenorphine is a great option.  It will help you with the pain as well as get you over the withdrawals from the other drugs.  If buprenorphine is not an option then speak to your doctor about slowing down the detox.  There is no reason why you cant wean down over a period of 6 months or even a year.  The faster you go in the detox the higher the likelyhood of relaps. Keep your eyes on your goal and go forward slow and steady.

[Oxyclean]

I was in the same boat about a month ago. I was on 160mg of oxy for nerve pain. My doctor weaned me down 10mg a week over a period of 3 months. She put me on the Catapress patch which is a bloodpressure med that helps take some of the withdrawal away. I also was put on Trazadone to help me sleep. That did not work for me. I am still having a hard time sleeping, but the flu symptoms are gone. It is going to be very uncomfortable but doable!(is that a word?) I do feel so much better now. My life does not go around pills. My family has me back. Don't get me wrong, I am still in pain, but those pills would have killed me in the end. Keep reading the posts here, this site helped me a lot! There are a lot of people here that know more than the doctors do about addiction. Good luck to you... stick with it... you won't be sorry.

[blessedtwo]

Would you believe that it will get better. Most everyone on this site has been where you are. Its small comfort at the time and the demons will taugnt you day and night. I too had an auto mishap. Had back and knee surgery. Thought pain pills were the greatest. I was convinced my pain would be terriable if i stopped taking them. But I started feeling like my loved ones and friends as well as people in genral were seeing and talking with someone else. I started to feel like a fraud and a thief. A thief because I was stealing valuable time from everyone around me., and a fraud because I knew i was strong enough to deal with the pain. There are people dying with cancer that refuse pain meds because they dont want to lose their feelings. I admire those with courage. I have been clean 31 days. Thank God for this site and all the great people saying things would and will get better, and you know they arent lying. I"am feeling better. the pain is still there but I try to block it out and try to forget the pain. I wish you all the luck and will keep you in my prayers. IT DOES GET BETTER!!!!!! Peace2all robert

[poptart]

I have been lurking on this board for about 6 months now and I have to ask...WHAT HAPPENED HERE? Is this place going under or what? Has anyone ever been to drugabuse.com? They have a good general message board and its FREE with unlimited posts.

[LastChance]

Hey, I am in the same Pain boat as you are.  80mg of oxy twice a day.  Never lasts 12 hours and I am withdrawing before I can take the next dose technically.  It is running my life and I hate it.  I am in recovery and I have someone hold my meds so I don't abuse them.  I just don't know how the hell I'll ever get off them.....I have to.  Anyone know what this Buprenorhpine is.  I am going to a new Neororigest on Tuesday.  I am going to ask him for it....Anything to get off the oxy's without going through hell.

[lisabet]

Just checked out the site you suggested.  Thanks!  Do you post under this one?  Are you a recovering addict; would like to hear your story.  (Love your username...my son's favorite snack)...smile.  Love, Lisabet

[dysthymic]

In reading about your problem I noticed that you decided to dicontinue the Oxycontin and continue the methadone. Buprenorphine is a partial antagonist which maeans it will cause you to go into withdrawal on doses higher than 30 mg.of methadone by itself. You would have to stop the Oxycontin and taper down the methadone start to have withdrawal and then start the buprenorphine.

[mrmichael67]

You mentioned the oxycontin didn't seem to work all that well.  That could very well be from the amount of methadone you were concurrently taking.  If someone is on high dose methadone and has a procedure which requires them to administer pain meds during it, they have to increase the dose by quite a bit just so it will work.  Methadone has a blockade effect, especially at the higher doses.  Ninety mg is a good dose.  I am sure it was working against the oxycontin.  I bet if you were to cut out the methadone and just take the oxycontin, you would be amazed at how much relief you got.  Or, cut out the oxycontin and adjust the methadone appropriately.  If one is on methadone and stable, they can't use other opiates for an extended period or the methadone won't work properly anymore.  So, it should basically be one or the other.  That is, of course, if you want to stay on the meds.  Keep on posting, people are more than willing to help you out here.

[minime]

Buffalogal, hi and welcome.  Before you do anything about your meds, please make sure you talk with a DOCTOR.  Some people may offer you advice about how much to take of whatever, but they are not doctors.  Only a professional that knows your history can really help you with that.  This forum is, however, a great source of emotional support.  I am a firm believer that if a medical condition warrants taking pain meds, there is not a thing wrong with doing so.  Good luck in whatever you decide to do.

Poptart - YES, this board has really changed, and I will check out the site you mentioned.  Do you post there?  If so, what name do you post under?

[HarleyCat]

Minime--Jim (B'Belt) is still asking for you.  Email me for more info.  Also, Strength, email me, I am worried about you!

***@****

Connie

[freezing]

I agree with mrmicheal.  The methadone will blow away the bit of oxy for the reason he stated.  

Are you getting the methadone from a pain doc and pharmacy, as opposed to a clinic?  I think you and I should both get another opinion from a different pain doc.

(I would get off the oxy, as it has a depressing effect (I hate that stuff) by being a kappa receptor agonist.  Ask your doc about fentanyl, as it is only a mu receptor agonist, without near the urinary retention and consipation and depression effects of methadone (or oxy).  You would probably have to start with over 100mg patches, possibly 150+ given what you're on.  They don't last the full three days that they are supposed to, at least not in physically dependent and tolerance built me they don't.)  I don't know how we will ever get better.  Best wishes to all.

[Bink]

I'm feeling too tempted right now.  My husband is getting ready to get in the car if I say the word.  New drugs in town--just got the message.  Told the source that we're quittin'.  Sure, she thinks...cry "wolf" again.  It's been maybe 30 times we told her that we were.  I'm not talking about going back on it, Just a little to "ease" the wd symptoms.  It's our DAY 3.  Everything's been okay until the phone call.   NOT THAT WE'RE NOT Uncomfortable........  I am so having a hard time!!!!  I feel so guilty about having a hard time.  We have to PAY BIG BUCKS for this Sh*t!!!!  I'm lost....Been trying Thomas recipe.  Thank GOD HUbby is driving.  I'm not used to Xanax!!  We WON"T drive if it's not legal and safe.  (HE TOOK A LONG NAP -- I TOOK ALTERNATIVE DRUGS -- YOU, KNOW, WEED, BEER, XANAX, ETC. )

just say NO to drugs!!!!!!

P.S.  I'm hearing that he must have gotten through to the "source"  I guess that we're going........



I'm so sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[freezing]

Hey Bink.  I share your state of life.  I think our lives are forever screwed compared than non-opiate dopers.  I've been to NA, but these crack/coke junkies have no idea what real addiction is.  I feel like telling them.  So I don't go back.  Plus, I can't relate to the higher power thing.  I don't care if some bio/chem attack kills me (I mean, I do b/c of my family), but I'm not scared of dying because I can't see life getting good again.  And the thing is, I have a great life and family, apart from this opiate dependancy.  I'm not suicidal at all, just wish this horror would be gone.  I am physically dependant/addicted as heck, like the rest of you all on pain medicine and there's no way out.  I wonder what the heck I would do if my pain went away.  At this point, I think I have to increase the pain meds b/c my tolerance is too high.  Oh boy, dunno what to do.  I wish there were some success stories from Subutex to give some light at the end of the tunnel.  I am really scared to increase.  I wish H was legal or that there was some country where it was/is.  I'd live a very happy and productive life there. -freezing

[minime]

I'm on Suboxone, and it is holding me well.  It's been a couple weeks now.

[Bodymechanic]

I am also on buprenorphine.  Buprenorphine is not a success story, it is stratagy of harm reduction.  It definately less addicting than other opiates and you can function much better on it. But when you boil it down to it's essence, you are just trading one drug for another. All things considered, if you must be an opiate addict, use buprenorphine, it will get you as close as possible to being a "normal" person.

[freezing]

Wow.  Please tell me/us more.  How much do they have you on?  Will they exceed 16mg/day?  Do you get forced from subutex to suboxone/when?  Downside?  It's more energizing/less depressing, isn't it?  

My biggest concern is, will they give you enough to really hold you.  What are you coming off of at what levels?

THanks so much.  If you prefer to email, please feel free: ***@****.  

Thanks!!!  Good luck on it, and please reply and keep us posted.

[ebony]

Hello, I have been on hydrocodone for about 3 years now.  It crossed over to addiction.  I did go through a 5 day treament center and upon returning home the withdrawls set in.  I broke down and got more.  I am only weaning myself but I am tired of this vicious circle I am living.  I think about pills all day long and it has become an obsession.  I have 3 children and live in a new state where I have no childcare.  My husband travels.  I know I need to get off of these things for good, forever and starting working a 12 step program.  The thing is I know I am a addict, I know I need help.  But it hurts so bad when I try to get off them.  Thank you for listening to me.  I hope to post back with a recovery.  I need to do this so I can feel normal again and start to live a life without pills.

[saveyourself]

Hey All,

Interesting thread.  I am one of those opiate addicted, cokeheads that found 7 years of freedom from active addiction in NA.  Pride and ego told me I could drink and I spent 3 years choosing out of NA.  It led me down the same old path and insanity.

Bink- I Ct off of 400 mgs of oxy and 120mgs of percs on 12-07-2002.  I had used that dosage daily for 8 months.  I had been on opiates for 2 years origionally for legitamte pain. I used the Thomas Recipe and it helped, but still went through the worst WD since  I CT methadone in 88.  It is a shame to go through 3 days and give it up.  But we all do what we have to do.  I haven't used any opiate since 12-7 and have humbly gone back to NA.  Keep posting and it may be hard to believe, but that there is life after addiction.  A much better one for you and the people who love you.

freezing- NA is working for millions of addicts regardless of their drug of choice. If what your doing is working out better for you, go for it.  By your posts it seems it is not.  I have learned not to judge NA by any one particular meeting or any one addict,  I don't forget that it is a miracle that this program has worked for so many and yes it does not work for some.  I know this because I have been to their funerals.  I hope you find something that works for you.  For me, I am off to a meeting right now to go over my first step with my sponsor.
The freedom I have now, I will only keep by the process of recovery.  I have substituted one drug for another for way to long.

Everyone- there is great wisdom on this board and there are people here that I owe for helping me get through my WD. If you have to use meds for legitamate reasons there are people here who can help.  My problem is I kept using long after the pain was the reason.  Looking back it was a huge waste of time for me, my family and those who care about me.  For me I will just not use today and do what works for me.  It takes great courage from all of us to beat our demon of addiction.
Strength and Honor
Greg

[Bodymechanic]

Buprenorphine does not get you high like most narcotics. It does have a mild intoxicating effect especially in higher doses.  The best thing about buprenorphine is that it gives you great energy while allowing the areas of your brain to heal that have been damaged by other narcotics. The concept is to switch from other narcotics to buprenorphine and stay at a maintainance dose for 6 months to 2 years to allow your brain to heal. At that point you can wean down from buprenorphine thereby avoiding the chronic fatigue and brain fog caused by long term opiate use.

You may be able to exceed 16mg, to as much 32mg, but I would avoid that mistake.  The higher you go, the harder it will be to get off. It is best to stay on low dose even if you have no intention of ever getting off.  I stay at a dose of 1mg a day and that is usually plenty. The big downside is cost and having to see a doctor to monitor you every few weeks.

[freezing]

Bodymechanic, wow, 1mg/day.  what were you coming off of?  

(I was on 3mg of bupe twice a day, IM, and it didn't cut it.  6mg x 3 was good, but I only had enough to do that for two days.  they switched me to oxy 20mg x 3 which was a nightmare, very depressed and constipated.  

What formulation are you taking, sublingual or intramuscular, or other?  

I don't care about the cost if it is a relatively good solution.  The Doctor every couple weeks is a lot better than methadone clinic every morning, being treating like a convicted prisoner.)

minime, would you please share more details about your Subutex experience so far?

Thanks!

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PS-all-  I apologize.  I did not mean to pass judgment on NA (or anything or anyone) at all.  It just wasn't good for me.  Please don't take offense, as truly none was intended.  It is surely wonderful for many/most.  I don't judge anyone nor their actions.

[mrmichael67]

Of course, I meant for you to do anything through your doc, which I assume is where you get your meds in the first place.  I was just trying not to state the obvious.  Methadone will block other opiates no matter what your history is.  That is just a property of it.  Just try to discuss it with your doc.  If you were to do a search on methadone, you could see what that opioid does.  The blockade effect that it posesses is one reason why they approved it back when for use in a clinic setting.  It would help keep heroin use down, or at least they hoped it would.  If a heroin user stable on high dose methadone uses heroin, they have to take a whole lot more to even feel it.  And, heroin is just another opiate.  Methadone will block all full agonist opioids, which oxycodone is.  I am just trying to pass some info along that you should know.  I am not suggesting you take any amount of anything.  I just think people should be educated about the meds they take.  And I was just trying to help.

[minime]

I have to point out that Subutex is not available yet, and it won't be available at the pharmacy.  It will only be doled out by a doctor in his/her office.

Suboxone is working fine.  I am struggling with determining what dose is right for me.  I don't have much to report since it has been a relatively short time for me.  Finding a doctor was the hardest part.  The list of doctors on the Samhsa website isn't very accurate.  Most of the doctors I called weren't "ready" to start Suboxone treatments or were charging exhorbitant prices.  Unfortunately, doctors are ready to screw addicts some more with making desperate people pay crazy prices...as I always say, there are no breaks for addicts.

I'll write more when I have a little more experience with it.

Harley - I keep seeing your posts about B'Belt.  Does he need my help with something?  Feel free to write about it on the forum, as I keep my communications strictly on the forum...no secrets here I guess.

[minime]

My insurance covers the Suboxone.  I pay $31.30/month for Suboxone - much cheaper than Bup which was not covered.

[HarleyCat]

Jim misses you. Since he can't post on this forum, he wants to give you the addy of the site he is on.  But I don't want to post it on here, or I will get ????  Email me and I will give you the web address.  Thanks,  Harley

[Ewizz]

I read your post about Bupronex, you are the first person I have heard of that is on maintenace dose like I was.

I was addicted to Oxycontin, went to a doc that geve me Buprenex IM and I've been on that for three years doing .3mg (1 ampule) as a maintenance jsut to feel normal. I was at a point where I had resingned myself that I would be on this stuff the rest of my life, because I couldn't even tolerate the discomfortae of withdrwal for any length of time , and that it made me feel good, except for the wicked hangover.

While Buprenex does not get you high like Oxy it does produce a mild euphoria that is very short lived.
ABout a month ago an old freind from my drug party showed up with 100 oxy's. Not having been high for 3 years the temtation was too great and I have been taking 160 mg of oxy . Now the party is over and I need to get off the oxy and back on th Buprenex...I would like to know more about what you doctor has told you about the use of Buprenex...You can email me direct at BlueHawaii_***@****

ALOHA!

[freezing]

Subutex and Suboxone are now available in pharmacies that elect to purchase it from the manufacturer.  The Gov't site: http://www.buprenorphine.samhsa.gov/faq.html#13 details the facts about it's use and more.  Best wishes to all.  I hope this can help some of us.  (Be aware that if you bring the 'script to the pharmacy, as opposed to have the certified physician call it in, you waive your rights under CFR 42.) -fricken freezing (w/wife yelling at me)!

[minime]

I've spoken with the manufacturer, and Subutex is NOT available yet and it won't be available in pharmacies.

[hyjack]

I know someone from California that is currently taking Subutex, so I am not sure who your information is from.  The manufacturer is overseas, so did you speak with the actual manufacturer Reckitt Benckiser or someone from the US?

Buprenorphine can also be compounded for people that oppose needles but VERY expensive. My prescription for one month is
almost 800.00. Luckily, my insurance covers compounding.

A very low dose of buprenorphine can ease many withdrawal symptoms while helping with pain.  However, injectible buprenorphine is much more potent than sublingual, since it has to go through the digestive tract.  

I take it for pain management now.  The effects are so miniscule, that it is almost like taking nothing at all.  I am prescribed 8 mg./day, but if I don't need it, I don't take it and have no withdrawals to boot.

It's definitely worth looking into.  An addictionologist would be your best bet to prescribe it for you.  ASAM.org will give you information of addictionologists in your area.

I hope this information is helpful to someone.

[minime]

I spoke with the president, Charles O'Keefe, of Reckitt Benckiser in Richmond, VA.  I've spoken with many people including those at Samhsa.  I don't know how your friend got ahold of Subutex, but it isn't yet available.  It is supposed to only be dispensed by a doctor in his office - similar to Methadone dispensed by a clinic.

[minime]

Just got off the phone with some people who are trying to find out more about Subutex.  It is NOT available to the general public and there is no date set for when/if that will happen.  

Also, the sublingual tabs are MUCH more potent than the 0.3 injectibles.  Even with a lower rate of absorption because it is taken sublingually instead of IM, the tabs are way more potent.  Think about it 8mg vs. 0.3 mg.  That is why they scheduled it as a III instead of the V (injectible is V).

Whether taken sublingually or injected, Buprenorphine is a very potent pain killer.  People don't realize it because it has little to no side effects.  Although it may not give a "high" like oxys or percs, it does give an overall feeling of well-being.  Many feel very energetic while on it.  After taking it for awhile, you WILL develop a physical addiction to it.  It is an opiate, so don't let anyone tell you you cannot get addicted to it - you can and you WILL feel withdrawal symptoms if you stop it.  Obviously if you taper very slowly, those feelings will be much less.

Suboxone is available now and if you don't have any intention of injecting it, you should have no problem taking it instead of the Subutex.  The Naloxone is only activated upon injection.  Otherwise it remains inactive.

I have done a great deal of study on this drug and have spoken with many doctors and people involved with the manufacturing and distribution of this drug.  Anyone trying to find Subutex at a pharmacy will be out of luck.

[Playboy123]

No program, medication or doctor will cure you. Maybe prolong the inevitable and subdue the pain until you have to face what's been coming. Recovery is found in one way. And this way has a 200% success rate. There's a place DEEP DEEP inside of us all where we can all sit and dream..........accomplish anything.  I found my place sparked by a childhood memory. You know, before any of this when the world was a playground and there wasn't a worry in the world. It may be different for some but that did it for me. Once you find this place hold on and NEVER let go. Then when you come face to face with that demon, not that addiction or that disorder or that disease, that demon, smile: because finally you are stronger then him/her. The day you kick that ******* demon into the ground and take it's last breath you will know it and you will have gained a piece of your soul back and also a new piece that will enlighten you. Also, when going through withdrawal smile and think about how beautiful life will be sooner then later.

God Bless

[mr.lucky66]

you have a point playboy. Here on this forum everyone is focused on how science can make their addiction go away. The point they miss is that detox is only a small part of recovery. It should be an inside job or maybe spirtual, not medicine. Medicine can help but it's only a small part of the picture

[joann1975]

This post is an old one you may want to repost so it will be a current one.

[LateAugust]

Absolutely loved your post,  written so eloquently.  Thank you so much,  for saying what many think, but find hard to put into words or the courage to post.  

[Flutterby111]

Very well said.  Love it.  And it's very true.  I've done it.  But sometimes, there are other tools needed as well, just to HELP assist in kicking that demon down!  What a great outlook though! ☺
♥
flutter

Lucky~
you're right about medicine can help, but being a small part of the picture, I couldn't agree more, but I don't like how you generalize the "everyone" on this forum is focused on how science can make their addiction "go away".  To say "everyone" is simply untrue.  But you are right, there is NO WAY science/medicine is going to cure one's addiction. There absolutely has to be therapy, aftercare, NA/AA, spiritual guidance, SOME sort of soul searching and working on addressing the addiction face to face, and dealing with it.  There's definately no such thing as a pill remedy when it comes to addiction.  But it can be a tool...I think.  I hope.  I'm trying it anyways.  But c'mon man, you can't say everyone here wants science to make the addiction to "go away".  I'm speaking of course on behalf of myself, but MANY others too.  

[Sportsguy86]

You guys do realize this thread is from half a decade ago, don't you?

[somebody167]

was taking 15-20 norco a day plus whatever valium and xanax i could get.  Quit cold turkey4 days ago,  felt like helland still do started taking some tyloxand back on some valium but i'm not sure it's the real stuff.  does anyone know how to tell if valium is real?

[janah223]

hi                                                                                                                                                                          i was on oxycontin for 12 years , and i was takin 400mg a day , oxycontin was my life my family my everything , it took so much from me , my children my husbund my family , my job , ,i nearly died so many times when talking oxycontin and that wouldnt stop me all i would think  is about how sick i would get , i would cry so many nights and i wouldnt go out any more , i was always in the house , it takes so much from you , i would lie to so many people , i would lie to the doctors i was seeing , i did so many things to get my oxycontin  i missed out on my  children growing up , on there birthdays on so much , iwas so young when i started , that i wasted 12 years of my life and i cant get it back ,, i nearlly burnt the house down so much with my kids sleeping , because i would smoke and fall a sleep . and that wouldnt stop me  ,as i think now , i say to my self what kind of person am i ,, i wont and dont blame any one but my self , i chose to take oxycontin , i was seeing so many doctors to get it , and it wasnt hard at all to get it ,, they would give it to and give me extra sripts  , so i would always have it ,i would get so sick if i didnt take the mediction (medication) on time and if i was out i have to be home on time ,, to crush my tabblets in a plate and inhale it , thats how bad i was and that what a addict i was , ,, i stoped cleaning , cooking , stoped talking to my chirldren , thats what oxycontin dose , my daughter would be in the kitchen  , cooking 4 her and her brother  , and i would be lyin down  and she was only 10 , she clened and donr so many thing that i should be doing , but all i cared about was my OXYCONTIN,,,,,  there is much i can say that i did and went thought , takin this oxycontin , bit now i will tell you how i got off it ,,,,,, 2007 i got out of bed as i did every day went to the kitchen crushed my pill and inhaled it , and  had a really bad fit , i was bleeding so much from my nose and mouth , and found my daughter huging me and crying and saying to me ,, mum mum ,, i love you , why are you doing this , why are you taking oxycontin , we all love you , dont every think we dont , i need you mum , i need a mum in my life  and that really hit me ,,thats same day i went to see the doctor and told him what was going on , and told him that i dont want him to give me oxycontin , even if i beged for it ,, and also went to every doctor i have seen and told them the same thing , and also when to every chemist  and told them if i come with a sript , not to give it to me , and the next day i took the kids to my sisters  and came home  ,, flushed all the tablets i still had left and closed all the house windows and said i will never take a oxycontin again ,,, the with draws where so bad that all i wanted to do was die , and beged 4 my body to be normal ,, i wont even say how i felt because every time i think about it i feel sick ,, its been a year now that i am clean and yes i do have my life back ,, but there isnt a day that i dont think of oxycontin and how it took 12 years of my  life ,, but all i can say id i have my kids back now , and im happy ,,,,,, janah    

[Sophie713]

Has anyone tried the Thomas Detox Plan?  I have severe nerve pain..long story.  I'm on 80 mg of oxycontin.  Eventually I would like to attempt to see how I can handle the pain without the medication..However I don't want to use any other pill and want to do it without medical help for my own reasons.  I am open to all suggestions but please don't tell me to see my doctor..as I said I have my own reasons to want to do this without meds and at home.....thanks for your help...