No one will help!

[himay]

I am a long time heroin user and have recently started to buy methadone to treat myself, since no doctors in my town will give me my own perscription. I know it's just replacing one habit for another. Well I was wondering if any one knew any names of doctors that could help me get my own perscription?

[skipper]

himay:
welcome to this forum, there will always be room for one more junky
here! In responce to your question about methadone. This is very
diffucult to answere as regulation vary from state. In some states
an MD can dispence methodone to addicts. in other states they can-
not. i live in nebraska and methadone (or any other narcotics) cannot be perscribed to known drug addicts. i learned of this while talking to my pharmacist while getting my monthly Rx of 90 oxy-c (40 mg) filled. I asked what then about some one like me who must after 10 months of oxy-c be addicted? My pharmacist laughed and said "the difference is you have an MD diagnosis, not to mention insurence coverage. i live in a metro area of approx. 1 million people and the only way anyone can get methadone outside of a in-patient hospital detox is through a single underfunded and under-
staffed walk in clinic. the usual amount of time for some one to
get help from this clinic is 30-40 days. you must decide for your- self if the clinic route is the way to go. for every good thing said about methadone, there is something bad to say. PLEASE examine all of your options, the pros and cons before you make a decision that could well affect the rest of your life.
keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[jule1]

Cindi - I saw a post from a couple days ago where you said you have taken ephedra.  Did you know that it is deadly?  It has caused heart attacks in young healthy people.  Please be careful with it.
I can't believe that not one person here responded to my post about Ginger she has not written back and I am worried about her.

[May]

My name is Amy and I have been reading for a few days before I finally musstered up enough courage to write.  I have been taking Vicoden and Percocet for about a year now.  I am out of pills today and wanted to know what to expect.  Thanks for any help you all might give.  Skipper, from reading you seem like one of the best people to talk to.

[skipper]

amy:
first of all wecome to the forum! always gonna be room for one more
junky, so come in out of the cold.

so you ran out of pills, i seem to remember you say something about
percocet or hydro (actually except in how there classed in the eyes
of the law, i find them almost identical). what to expect...well
if you have been using for a year or more you must have an idea of
the things to come?

I would suggest you scroll down the forum here and check out Thomas's detox recipe. what you are heade for is a demonstration
of abstenence syndrome. it is different from one person to the
next. detoxing cold is usually described as a bad case of the
flu, with a lot of head trips thrown in. If you have a good friend or a family member you trust, now is the time to call for help asassistence will prove invaluable...

remember: you are walking a path worn smooth by the tears and foot-steps of many who came down it before you. also opiate with drawal won't kill you, it might make you wish you were dead, but it will not kill you!

keep posting as this forum is full of many good people who are
either where your at or have been there!!

keep an angel on your shoulder and move to the light!
kip

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

I'm the one who asked Cindi whether she had tried ephedrine.  Yes it can be very dangerous stuff, indeed.  In fact, the person who introduced me to it had three heart attacks. I haven't seen him for several years but I hope he's okay.  He would take 30 25mg tabs per day!  I've never used more than four per day and only use it once in a while.

The only reason I even brought it up was we were discussing amphetamines which are seriously more dangerous.  It's like a beer compared to a triple shot of whisky.  The point is that a lot of things sold in healthfood stores can be detrimental to your health if used improperly.  We addicts are really at risk when it comes to pills, aren't we?  Today there are warnings on just about every substance we use.  It's really up to us to decide and be held accountable as to how we use something.

Sorry for the big lecture!  How's it going jbear?

J.B.

[jule1]

I hope since you said yo finally posted that you have been reading fo r a while.  Definitely check out Thomas's detox recipie I didn't use it but many people have with great sucess.  I have been through the withdrawls and felt like I had the flu and wanted to crawl out of my skin.  I am very proud of you for posting I know how hard it is I felt so wierd the first time I did it I had never done anything like that before.  I hope you have one of the more mild withdrawls. How many have you been taking a day and for how long.  Please write back soon and let me know how you are I will help with anything I can!!

[butterbean]

Hi Amy, I am pretty new to this forum also. I read your story and I too, take both Percocet and Vicodin for pain.  I usually run out before I can get the perscription filled and go through withdrawal.  I will tell you that I usually take all the percocet first and then vic and if I run out soon, I go through worse withdrawal from the percocet.  My withdrawal consists of the burning in my head that is awful and my body aches and i sneeze and cough a lot, just like the flu.  I don't have a fever, but, I do have extreme diaherra.  I do not get nauseous as some of the others say they do.  I have been clean for a week now and will stay that way for at least a month, but, I have a lot of pain and need to take the meds, but, I need to take them as perscribed.  I am going to try real hard this time to do just that if I do go back on them.  I have been taking them for about 6 years now, the vics and percocet for about 4 years.  Take care and let me know how you are.  
Butterbean

[Witchywoman]

Welcome to the forum Amy! It's a wonderful place, full of support and care, as you've probably seen from the posts.

Withdrawal is one of the hardest things I ever physically went through in my life, but once it is behind you, it feels GREAT to have your freedom back.  Be sure to get as much support as you can from any source you can get it...that is what got me through. Prayer, acupuncture, Thomas's recipe, this forum letting me babble away...all that helped.

I look forward to getting to know you better and if there is anything I can do to help you through this week, let me know.

love,
WW

[May]

Thank you everyone for responding so quickly.  I am at work now but will write more later.  I can tell I will make some great friends here.
Thank you!

[cindi]

I am not being ignorant and ignoring anyone  I have to run but yes I said I tried ephedra once or twice    it did nothing for me.....i did use the designer slim for awhile....didn't do real well in the blood pressure department..talk some more later  ove to all   cin

[skipper]

fes up time:
it seems my current oxy detox has been complicated by a genuine
case of food poisioning! Just got back from seeing my gp who is an
internal med. specialist. tried to take oxy last night and this
morning--just blew the stupid little pill back into the stool---
what a waste huh? well didn't see my primary care doc, saw elmer
fudd , his partner. Gave me phenergan suppositorys for christ on
crutch! i hate to repeat myself, but i hope i'm athleep before i
get my finger outa my ath!

it's been real rough posting today- what with frequent trips to
bathroom!! whatever company makes imodium (immodium), buy stock in it now as
my personal consumption of this product of so far dubious worth,is
thru the cealing!! see pain doc tomarrow. he is real tight with my
gp ( i think they are former lovers) so i plan on ratting out elmer
fudd the useless partner!!

thanks to every one who posted for Amy. the new ones are the ones
that need the most attention! gotta go, i think i'm going to put
another oxy-c in the stool

all that angel stuff, yeah?
kip

[Milo]

Hi Amy, let me add my welcome to the others'. I haven't had much trouble with the specific meds you're dealing with, but I've had plenty of rounds with benzos, barbiturates, etc. so I'm always glad to lend an ear. My best advice at the moment is to wholeheartedly trust & take the recommendations of skipper, Thomas, Cindi, and all of the other "veterans" here -- they are truly good folks and know what they're talking about. If I can help at all, please let me know. -- sincerely, Little Milo

[jule1]

I really needed a little laugh today and you sure did it for me!! Hope you are feeling better.  When I was around 10 my whole family (9 People) got food poisoning what a mess I will never forget how horrible it was.  See ya Jules

[Francoise]

Himay, go to this site as soon as possible and find a doctor in your area, or as close to you as possible:

http://www.widomaker.com/~skipb/panic.html

You need to get help and these doctors can help folks in your situation as well.

Francois

[cindi]

Welcome to the forum  there is nothimg i have to add toall the wonderful advice and support you ahve already received from everyone....good luck and things will work out...tkae the adice to heart and run with it...God Bless you  love to all cin

[May]

Thank you all again.  This would be day two......  Am I tired.  I can't seem to get motivated and all I think about is how good i would feel only if....
I was taking between 25-30 vic. a day or 9 perc. a day.  Think my liver is shot???
So I hope this is going to get better.  Can't refill until 11/6.  By then, hopefully I will not want to fill them because of what I have to go through when they are gone.  Skipper.... no one knows of this and i would like to keep it that way.  I think that is why I turned to you guys.  Thank you all so much for welcoming me.

[May]

Thank you all again.  This would be day two......  Am I tired.  I can't seem to get motivated and all I think about is how good i would feel only if....
I was taking between 25-30 vic. a day or 9 perc. a day.  Think my liver is shot???
So I hope this is going to get better.  Can't refill until 11/6.  By then, hopefully I will not want to fill them because of what I have to go through when they are gone.  Skipper.... no one knows of this and i would like to keep it that way.  I think that is why I turned to you guys.  Thank you all so much for welcoming me.

[Danielincc]

Himay:
I can only suggest to you not to self medicate yourself with methadone. Methadone is a very useful medicine when used properly. It can be deadly when used w/out the supervision of a knowledgable physician. It is a medicine to treat the disease of opiate addicition. IT IS NOT a drug to replace heroin. It is a medicine that restores the neurotransmitters that have been destroyed or depleted due to the use of short acting opiates.
                                                                 Family physicians cannot prescribe methadone to treat opiate addicition. It must be dispensed by a liscenced methadone clinic.
Or a physician that has completed the necessary paperwork/documents that have been obtained by the gov't agency in charge of these matters. It used to be the DEA. I am not sure if they are still in charge of these matters. There are new guidelines in place now. Physicians can only prescribe methadone for chronic pain.                                                                                                                  Methadone can be very helpful for opiate addiction if used under the supervision of a knowledgeable professional. Methadone clinics are your best bet! There are many addicts on MMT that are
living wonderful lives with the help of their local methadone clinic. Make up your mind and make a real commitment that you want help for your addiction. Do not take it lightly. Get some real help. And enroll at a reputable methadone clinic. You have a disease that can be treated! Visit "Methadone Watchdog" on the web for some useful information for this matter. Good Luck and be Spiritual!
Danincc>>

[SHOTSY]

Hi! I wanted to ask you if you knew about procedures at the clinics. I have a relative that had been on methadone (don't know how long) but she had asked them to taper her down. They refused so she made the decision to quit. Evidently she had to be admitted to the hospital because of that. And has been off everything for a year. Is it typical for the clinics to try to keep you on it? Is there a government monetary incentive to do so? Just curious,Thanks Shotsy

[jennyfla]

Hang in there sweetie, it's tough, but if you want it bad enough, you can do it!  I'm still trying to get to the point of wanting it bad enough (sigh!)
I was just thinking this morning, am i becoming so out-of-touch with my feelings, am i past the point of not even being able to realize what i might be missing?  Get out while you still can, you won't be sorry!!!  Good luck!
Lv Jenny

[jennyfla]

I'm sorry that you are feeling so horrible with food poisoning!  Yucky!!!  Try to keep the fluid down and try to rest if at all possible!!!
Feel better soon!!!
Lv Jenny

[cindi]

FOR GOD'S SAKE what the hell are ya doing now!!  food poisoning huh?  I feel for you..that can be miserable...it just proves that you are really not too too into these oxy's or ya might be pulling then out of the stool....ewwwwwwww  but people do....why couldn't Elmer fudd give you an injection of compazine for the nausea.....?  all your gonna do is **** out the suppository if it doesn't melt before you spill again...what a lovely conversation......anyway..I hope you are starting to feel better.....my love to you and yours.............cin

[May]

Thank You  so very much.  I know what you mean about being out of touch with your feelings and I want that back despratly.
Thank you again and YOU hang in there too!!!

[Thomas]

Hi May. So, 30 Vics plus 9 Percs a day? I hate to tell you, but you're going to crash hard. You're in major withdrawal country going cold turkey from that daily dose. The aforementioned withdrawal recipe is available to you if you want it. It has components intended to relieve the most unpleasant of the withdrawal symptoms. It also has a component intended to help restore the neurotransmitters depleted by long-term opiate use. There's only one prescription drug in the recipe. Everything else is over the counter, mostly supplements from the health food store. In the short term, it will help you get through withdrawal without caving in and going back to using, plus it will help restore neurotransmitters important to your sense of well-being, energy and drive. What it won't do is solve the psychological component of addiction. Those mental cravings that come and go for months or years are something I have never personally been able to solve.

It may be posted somewhere on the forum, but probably hard to find, especially if you're not feeling well. If this is your first day going cold turkey, you're about to be hit with a constellation of flu-like symptoms, such as body aches (possibly severe, especially since you're coming off of Percs), nausea, diahrea (can't spell it, but you know what I mean) hot/cold sweats, insomnia, claustraphobia, cravings. My recipe will help relieve all these symptoms in the short term. I suggest you only think about getting through the next week. Think about the rest of your life later. One thing, given your daily consumption, I wouldn't plan on being at work for the next few days ... here's my e-mail address if you'd like a copy of the recipe. Write me there (or here) anytime. Good luck.

Thomas

e-mail:
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[Thomas]

[meant to address this to you ....]

Hi May. So, 30 Vics plus 9 Percs a day? I hate to tell you, but you're going to crash hard. You're in major withdrawal country going cold turkey from that daily dose. The aforementioned withdrawal recipe is available to you if you want it. It has components intended to relieve the most unpleasant of the withdrawal symptoms. It also has a component intended to help restore the neurotransmitters depleted by long-term opiate use. There's only one prescription drug in the recipe. Everything else is over the counter, mostly supplements from the health food store. In the short term, it will help you get through withdrawal without caving in and going back to using, plus it will help restore neurotransmitters important to your sense of well-being, energy and drive. What it won't do is solve the psychological component of addiction. Those mental cravings that come and go for months or years are something I have never personally been able to solve.

It may be posted somewhere on the forum, but probably hard to find, especially if you're not feeling well. If this is your first day going cold turkey, you're about to be hit with a constellation of flu-like symptoms, such as body aches (possibly severe, especially since you're coming off of Percs), nausea, diahrea (can't spell it, but you know what I mean) hot/cold sweats, insomnia, claustraphobia, cravings. My recipe will help relieve all these symptoms in the short term. I suggest you only think about getting through the next week. Think about the rest of your life later. One thing, given your daily consumption, I wouldn't plan on being at work for the next few days ... here's my e-mail address if you'd like a copy of the recipe. Write me there (or here) anytime. Good luck.

Thomas

e-mail:
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[skipper]

cindi:
sorry for fallin so far out of touch! i hope my spouse has been
keeping you better posted about the carrying around this neck of
the woods!

this is the first day since monday that i haven"t been living in
the bathroom. phenergan..ich, how dare any doc put me on a phene-
thiazine (spelling). i remember this phenergan **** from my head-
ache days. i used to get these little red capsule called mepergan.
a blast of meperidine mixxed up with a mud puddle of phenergan. i
used to throw a half dozen in the spoon and take off. i'ld get a
rush and then i be a dummy oil sitting in the mudpuddle.

phenergan by it's self is even more worthless! think i'll save the
rest of these but bullets for favors at our next classy dinner
party... i'll be generious and pass out rubber gloves too!!

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[jule1]

HIMAY - Welcome I don't have any experience in methadone but I wanted to welcome you just the same!!

AMY - just checking on you today is today harder than yesterday?  You actually didn't sound too bad i truly hope you're not feeling too awfull!!

SHOTSY - Just wanted to say hello and see whats up!!  JULES

[SHOTSY]

Hey! Just got finished eating some really great mexican food. Had a good day today.Hope the same for you. Just curious, do you think every things okay with Thomas? Sometimes I'm scared I'll write something the wrong way or read it the wrong way. I hope I have enough sense not to offend anyone.                                My mother in law went out of town. I'm chicken sitting. Ha! Can you beleive it. So I guess I'd better go gather them up and put them in their box in the back room for the evening. These are no ordinary chicks, they're spoiled rotten. So I guess I'd better go get the dumb clucks before they freak out. Bye for now, Shotsy

[Thomas]

we must be made of the same cloth. I HATE phenergan. What antihistimine swill! Phenergan ruined countless bottles of cough surup by it's presence. I talked about it before, but if you like hydrocodone and have never tried Tussionex cough syrup, you're missing hydro at its best. The hydrocodone is delivered in a resin complex that breaks down continually for 12 hours. I used to drink an entire bottle and then settle in for the sweetest high you've ever had ... ah, nostalgia.

Thomas

[Thomas]

for those interested, they usually prescribe Tussionex for dry, hacking coughs, not bronchitus (bronchitis). If you can get 6 oz of it, you've got yourself a 12-hour trip on a flying carpet. I've never used smack, but I can't imagine anything being better than this.

Thomas

[katie r]

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[Milo]

kip -- Hope you're feeling better. You're a real hoot, to keep us laughing even as you suffer rom food poisoning. My phobia of vomiting (yes, you read it right) turns me into a quivering lump of worse-than-useless flesh at the first sign that nausea's going to turn into "something more." Diarrhea I can handle, having IBS for, oh, all my life now...don't like it though...
Thomas & Kip -- Isn't life weird? I actually wanted some phenergan for nausea, but the Dr. wouldn't prescribe it (too many side effects). I felt like ripping his lungs out. Yes, this from gentle Milo. Do people ever abuse Phenergan? Also, either of you have any alternative treatments for nausea you could suggest? It's a strange damn world we live in. -- Milo

[skipper]

thomas:
yes i know all about tussenex. Really got into in the late 70's
and early 80's. did you know it has a antihitimine in it too. if
my memory serves me, it's chlora-trimeton (spelling for sure on
this one). i'ld heard that tussionex was reformulate sever years
ago. instead of 5 mg/5ml, it is now 10mgs/5ml. yow!! it isn't
heroin but show me a C-III that gets any better than this!!
i predict the govt. will up the schedule on all hydro-c prep-
erations. too be real honest i have trouble seeing a whole lot of
difference between oxy and hydro (i do know they go great togath-
er).

milo:
yes good friend i can understand someone wanting a prep. like
phenergan...to bad it doesn't work to well. what would you ex-
pect from somthing out of the brain killing family that thorizine
and stelazine come from? Visteral is very effective at breaking
a puking festival such as i was in. yep- sitting on the crapper
hugging a trash can full of my own bile. "meaty-boy," lover of
all things rotten, made the mistake of being social and followed
me into the bathroom. the poor dog soon realized what an awful
mistake he'd made and tried to dig thru the floor in front of
the closed door. gees listen to me! i've been spending way to
much time in that room!!

all of you, keep an angel on your shoulder!!
kip

[Shea]

SKIPPER,

I am sorry to hear you have had a bout with food poisoning. I know how miserable that is. For future references may I suggest ZOFRAN. I am not sure if you are aware of this medication. If not it is a miracle drug for nausea/vomiting. When I was gong through detox I was vomiting CONSTANTLY and had horrific nausea. finally I went to ER and they gave me ZOFRAN through and IV Then I got a script for the pills. (I understand taking pills when vomiting is hard to keep it in.) Anyhow, they use this drug for Chemo patients who are so deathly ill. I had tried phenagan, compazine. promethazine etc. NOTHING WORKED THIS GREAT. It DOESN'T make you tired or anything. The down side is it is so expensive. About $30.00 a pill so without insurance it is very salty. If you ever do need something like this you have to ask to dr. because they usually will use the other mentioned drugs first. For what it is worth I thought if you weren't aware of this it might come in handy in the future.

I hope by now you are feeling a little better. Despite your discomfort, your post was a riot.

May you find peace

Shea

[Shea]

Hi and welcome to this forum. you will find a lot of caring and compassionate folks here. As far as your addiction there is no way to candy coat it. With that much usage it is going to be very rough.
I was using 15 vics a day plus soma and a couple oxy's. (the oxy's were only 10mg and they were at the end of the addiction but the vics I had been on for years) I went cold turkey and it was bad. My doctor did put me on clonidine. Zofran which was great as i was so nausea/vomiting. I did not know of Thomas's recipe at the time. Wish I had. Actually I didn't know of this forum till about 2 weeks after my initial detox. But I use his formula now and it has been 2 months. I would suggest you talk to your doctor. I understand you don't want anyone to know but that is a hugh dose you are coming off of. Good Luck to you and remember to post and read.

May you find peace

Shea

[Shea]

I have a question and HOPEFULLY someone has some insight. Because i am freaking out. I even asked my hair dresser and he doesn't know why. After I detoxed from a large dose of Vicoden one of the things that happened and I noticed this within the first few days I stopped using was when I would brush my hair I would lose so much. Now it has been two months and I can't tell you the difference in my hair. It is thinning at a very rapid rate. I always had beautiful thick hair. the texture is changing and I am still losing so much of it. This has been 2 months. My idiot doctor says "hmmm I don't know" I have been using something for hair loss Nioxin (shampoo and treatment but it hasn't help. Like I said I am freaking because if this continues I just can't imagine. ANY SUGGESTIONS. Has anyone heard of this?????

Thank you
Shea

[Shea]

Hi Thomas,
Hope you are well. And I apologize to everyone for having so many posts in a row. anyhow, I have a question Thomas.
Okay, I detoxed off of 15 vics ES, soma and 2 -10 mg oxy, two months ago. I didn't know about the recipe at the time as I was not in touch with this forum yet. But when I found out I jumped on it and have been on it ever since. I still have a killer amount of chronic pain. So my doctor put me back on vicoden. BUT only 2 of the 5's. I know it is laughable. My tolerance is down big time but not that low. I am going to try it though as I want to give everything a fair shot. when I got the script I was so tempted to add the ES to it but I didn't. And as Frank Lee said to try it and if it isn't working to go back to him in a couple weeks and tell him. ANYHOW, I side tracked there, my question is should/can I still take the recipe? If so how much of the L-tyrosine.What benefits will it give if I am taking a low dose of vicoden? I appreciate your input. And I know so many of us appreciate your research on the ingredients. Thank you.

Shea

[jule1]

First of all congratulations on two months that is awesome!!  We addicts are the only ones who know how truly hard it is.  Years ago when I felt I had a problem with painkiller for the first time I called my mom crying my little eyes out and she said oh just go flush them down the toilet.  Can you imagine?  Anyway I never told anyone about that I really knew how niave she was after that she is a little lady who has never even had alchohol in her life however we seem to have addiction on her side of the family.  I havent really had the traditional painkiller addiction it has been Ultram for me lately but I did notice that my hair really started breaking off when I was heavy into painkillers I used to have long pretty blonde hair now it looks damaged to me.  I babbled to you but always read your posts and I don't think I ever wrote to you personally so HELLO FRIEND !! Have a happy day Julie

Shotsy - When I first started writing here I would reread everything I wrote so many times because I was afraid I would write something stupid or offend someone.  I have learned that noone has ever really written anything stupid here I have not once seen someone made fun of or mocked because of writing something stupid.  You do see honest disagreements which I find refreshing.  Thomas seems to me to be a caring no nonsense type of guy and when things aren't going well he doesn't sugar coat it that is just my opinion.  I used to be a little intimidated by him because he seems to know a lot and be a powerful man now I just love him and would feel comfortable asking him anything and hope he will always come to us for support.  NOW what is this about chicken sitting that is the funniest thing I have ever heard!!  Do they have names?  I also love mexican food I grew up out west where it is abundant now in NJ it is very hard to find good authentic mexican.  Lots of yummy itialian though.  OH GUESS WHAT? I was rearended yesterday and right away felt that burning in my neck for some reason people love to rear end me its the second time this year.  OK what a ramble have a great day!!!

[katie r]

I have a couple things to say......first of all I don't know what the hell happened to my post up above. I poured my heart out to you folks and all that came out was "I"?????? What's up with that? I did a bad bad thing......confessed to you guys, then came here this morning looking for answers to my post, some comfort,a lecture, pity... whatever....maybe just some kind words. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Now to you Shea......arrrrrrrghhhhhhhh! I am having the same thing happening to me. I always have a body wave in my hair and use a hair pick to comb it.....and lately the pick is full of hair! I thought it was because I'm always coloring my hair....light brown, golden brown, reddish brown, yada yada....so I was gonna lay off coloring for awhile. And was gonna lay off the body waves too. Now I wonder if it's from abusing opiates? Anyone out there know?
Skipper...I'm sorry you've been so sick...but damn, man you cracked me up! Even old meaty boy couldn't stand being in there with you, huh? That's pretty bad! I don't know your dog...but I do know dogs. A long time ago we had a dog that would go outside and roll around in dog poop, cat poop or anything he could find....a dead animal...anything! I laughed so hard at you saying he was trying to dig thru the floor trying to get out..I'm still laughing as I type this. Hope you get to feeling better soon!

[jennyfla]

My hub did get his meds from his dr yesterday.  I have very mixed feelings.  Here I was just 3-months ago putting him into a rehab, then i go and get him a dr appt.  I didn't know what else to do.  His pain was so extreme from his old back injury, and the stressful (physical) job that he has, I just didn't know what to do.  There's no way he could make anywhere near the money he makes in this profession doing something else.  We need it with having three kids to support.  He is feeling better now with the relief from his pain.  I'm in charge the the pills, so i won't let him get out-of-control!  But still, i know we still both have a major problem, i'm not denying that!
Love to all!
Jenny

[Thomas]

Skip is right about the Vistaril - a better anti-nausea drug with less drowsiness than phenergan. I can't imagine people abusing phenergan. What ****! All it is is a horrible antihistimine that hits you like a micky finn and leaves you with a terrrible hangover that feels very much like that no-energy feeling from opiate withdrawal. Great deal, huh?

But, friends, let's get serious. God's own medicine, Marijuana, is the absolute king of anti-nausea treatments. The med establishment is still trying to convince poor chemo patients that some synthetic **** they've got in a pill works just as well but it doesn't. Either smoke the real stuff or find someone with glocoma (SP?) who can get the active ingrediant of pot, THC, in a pill right from their friendly Savon.

By the way, just went through my 1 billionth cold turkey withdrawal from Vics and found that a little pot makes a big difference in how one feels, especially during the first few days. Might have to add that to the recipe. I know Doctor Steve would be elated.

Thomas

[Thomas]

I don't think the recipe will help at this stage. It's designed for two things: 1) help ease the acute opiate withdrawal symptoms that typically come in the first week 2) help restore neurotransmitters like dopamine and norepinephrine that are depleted by long-term opiate use. If you're not going through withdrawal or suffering the after effects of withdrawal such as low energy and insomnia, I don't think the recipe will help you.

I would return to your doctor fairly soon prepared to give him a coherent, comprehensive history of how and when you took the two vics and how they failed to relieve your pain. Also, if the doctor told you to take anything else or to do any kind of exercises or physical therapy in addition to taking the vics, make sure you convince him with details that you were following ALL of his orders to the letter. Many times, if a patient doesn't follow through on, say, physical therapy appointments or on taking some other prescribed med, docs will use that as an excuse to deny you an increase in pain meds. Cover your bases. Make sure you give the doc the impression that you're a fully compliant, motivated patent following his directions to the letter. If he/she believes that, I doubt if you will be denied an increase in pain meds, especially since two a day is already pretty low. Good luck.

Thomas

[Milo]

Excellent advice as usual. I'm going to research vistaril on the net & ask my Dr. about it. I grant you, I'll take anything and (almost)everything i can to "forget my troubles, c'mon, get happy", but there are times when i just need something to calm my damn stomach down!
Kip, hope you are feeling better -- my "bug" bothered me off'n'on for a damn week! But then I have what you might call a "delicate constitiution" :) Li'l Milo

[SHOTSY]

Hey, Ladies! About the hair thing. I can totally relate. Brush it before shower,then run hands thru conditioner, hairy hands, then more afterwards. It's surprising I have more than 20 hairs on my head. I think most of it may be age related. I'm fourty. Of course chemical treatments don't help (bad ones) And stress it's said can play a role. Vics? good question. About a year ago I went to the o.b. Told him I felt like I was going to be one big pubic hair from my belly button to my toes. He looked at me like I was crazy.I'm not sasquach(sp?) but I could be hairless except for my head and I wouldn't mind. Testing showed normal hormones but what's up with losing in top and gaining below? Go figure. My mom said when you got older it was nice because your hair slowed down. Evidently that's the next 10 years. And the price of razors! There ought to be a law!                                       And yes the chicks have names.One is "Wild Thing" then "Tinkerbell" and "Top Knot Prince Charles". I'll probaly get stuck with them. She was raising one for my daughter and it "passed". So she was keeping it a secret from her. She went to a flea market to replace it for her. She came home with four! Yes another one has left us. But my daughter thinks "Tinkerbell" is the original.So I guess we'll let that cat out of the bag at some future date. As invaribly lies always seem to come out. I've had lots of animals and right now didn't won't the responsibilty of more, but I guess I'm probaly stuck with them. Just add to my list-1 rott+1 lrg. mixed beed dog+ 2 med. dump-off dogs+2 pomerians+1 inside humane shelter cat+1 outside free-ride cat+ 1 so old nobody kowns how old pony+2 mallard ducks+2 roosters+3 hens+2 running free rabbits+male and female guinea w/six new babies+1 aligator and a bucket of crickets. Dr. Dolittle has nothing on me except for that big snail. Although**** ever seen Lake Placid ? Just joking! The gator actually does belong to some one else. Just keeping until that person gets him self together. Well I'm just prattling right along. Better give you guys a break.. Truce, Shotsy

[May]

You are so very funny.  do you really think that pot would make a big difference?  I also wanted to know what you thought about flexeral or roboxin since the ingredient that I am lacking from your recipe is valum.  I am realy beginning to trust and like you.  Thanks for any advice.

[skipper]

may:
you might achieve marginal to good results with flexiril (spelling)
robaxin is bullshit- never got any thing out of it except the bill
from the concieted little ass-hole brand new MD in the internal
medicine clinic i used to frequent. (a good doctor is so hard to find)

now lil milo:
i hear ya talking bout that "delicate constitution!" i got me one
too! course mine is further compliucated by my "fragile *******
feelings!" i sure hope your doing beter! when it's all said and
done, i bet my little bug in the gut will be 7 day strong too! life
is real unfair lately. this bug should be had by binlauden (spell-
ing) and his buddys the tally-wankers. course they got lotsa raw
opium. seriously though, i suspect your probably too nice a person
to have to suffer any further GI bugs. i hope were both feeling
beter quick!

keep an angel on your shoulder
kip

[katiegirl]

hi there,

i don't get it, i do it all, speed, pot, drinking, almost, no herion, or crack, (just havn't been offerd - no conacts)

when i need to do a lot of work (owner - $million a yr company) i get high.  then i am on fire....i get a lot done.

for 27 years now.

i writing cause, am i specail and can handle it  

or am i missing something?

i'd rather be high than sober.....i like it.

kate

[susanlea]

I am going to agree with you two about the hair thing.  I noticed when I was with my ex that his hair was everywhere.  He is only 38 and has or had hair almost to his waist.  Think curly black hair.  Over about 2 years his hair turned gray and would come out by the hand fulls.  When he stopped by in July he had a hat on, he took it off and I was so surprised that his hair line had receded by at least 2 inches in 5 months!  Also you can see his scalp through his hair.  Scary thought, but I believe just the stress of looking for more oxy's had aged him 20 years.  Good luck.....lv  Susan

[cindi]

ok   can you stand one more dog story,,,,,just to lighten up the weekend   Ok,,I had a little Maltese...(ok  so if you stuck a broom up his ass you could use him as a mop but,,,he was my baby)  he had long white hair and he had this thing for cat litter boxes....and i had a few cats..well,  one night I had this guy over I had just started dating.....and my dog came running around playfully jumping on him etc.. I thought this guy had the farts  something stunk so bad i was gagging..here...my poor little dog got into the litter box and had a **** stuck to his ear....HOW EMBARRASED WAS I?  i had to cut the **** out of his ear and give him a bath    what a date..a few years later..my dog died,,,,now i have a son who had a thing for cat boxes and used to try and bounce the cat turds as "super balls"  yes folks this is my life.....have a great weekend    love to all   cin

[Thomas]

o, yes. The THC main ingrediant in Maryjuana is without a doubt the premier anti-nausea drug known to man. Simply put, no drug even holds a candle to pot's ability to relieve nasea. Pot also helps with body cramps, aches etc, Pot is wonderfull for raising that overwhelmingly ancient magic that gets people through the toughy times.

Thomas

[Danielincc]

Clinics are required to lower your dose at your request. Clinics are in the business to make money and to help the addict with their disease.  They can encourage the addict to stay in treatment. It is generally in the best interest of the addict to stay on MMT because this is their medicine to keep them off of short acting opiates. Methadone is not simply a replacement drug for heroin or other S/acting opiates. It is medicine to the addict like insulin is to the diabetic. This is why I do not understand why addicts want to get off of methadone. It is a life saving medicine. Addicts have a disease that requires treatment.
MMT has the highest percentage of keeping people free of opiate addiction. Methadone has no long term ill effects on the liver or other vital organs.  Methadone programs are all not created equal. There is much room for improvement. For the meantime this is the best we've got as americans.
My best to All! Be Spiritual!
Danielincc

[Milo]

LOL!!!!! That poor dog! Your poor date! Poor you!! What a hoot. One time some friends were having a party, and all of their cats decided to use the litterbox, one after the other. The stench was so horrific, it drove everyone out of the apartment! I love cats 'n' dogs!

[cindi]

Dogs and cats are just like my kids  LOL  you heard them on the phone today......my perfect little angels  LOL  and by the way I enjoyed talking with you,,,,we have alot in common and i know we'll be friends for years to come....Love ya  cin

[Milo]

Bless your heart -- I could tell you're a great mom, though I knew it anyway! Don't forget to send me that link.  Love, Li'l Milo

[cindi]

duh    oh yeah ****,,,the link.....hey I'm 41   I'm allowed to forget....LOL   comin right up    love ya

[SHOTSY]

That is funny about your dog. I've always been an animal lover. When I was young I wanted to grow up and become a vet. Well, fell in love yada, yada..But animals are good for the soul. If it's true they might extend our lives I'm surely going to live to be 100.  See ya, Shotsy

[ssfr]

here i am just taking advantage of the few minutes i have access to a computer, so i will simply just offer the few observations i have from my own perspective, and hopefully will get full time access to the internet soon-

(1) couple of weeks ago skip- after i suggested that so much of what i have read here simply duplicated my own life story- you said that  each of our life stories was unique- and that i did indeed have something to offer- well now skip- i started to think about it, and you are far more right than you realized- i am  close to 50 years old- and trust me when i tell you and the rest of the forum that there is nothing at all here that i havent done, tried or been through- main problem is that due to the overwhelming failures in manageing my own problems-that i feel i am so underqualified in offering advice to anyone

(2) boy oh boy thomas, i really have tried the old maryjane trick in mitigating the withdrawal symptoms from long time opiate abuse- and indeed it may well help some folks- problem is with me- the worst thing is those heeby gheebies i have heard them called- i can deal with any other  problmes- but those heeby jeebies almost drive me out of my mind- and maryjane seems to expoeniate the problem beyond belief-  i do hope it can help someone- but for me- it tripled the worst of my withdrawal symptoms

(3)daniellecc- i suppose you mean well- but you have managed to alientate everyone from your earlier posts- and that includes me- of course you can and will if you want continue to post here- that is your right- and maybe someone will benefit from your experience- but let me say this- try to be a little more understanding of the problems that so many folks  experience- i for one suffer such debilitating pain- but would gladly suffer the pain- in exchange for giving up the opiate dependency- the withdrawals that one faces is far more painful than the original problems- there have been various recipes offered here to help alleviate withdrawal sypmtoms- i guess they work better for some folks than others- since they havent helped me when i tried them
but that is me- and so many others have benefited from them-

anyway- to all those out there who are struggling like i am- please know that i really do pray for each and everyone of us every night- there have been so many success stories offered here- you know who you are- that i know that i can do it and so can all those others who want to- before opiate addiction i thought tobacco was tough- geez - it was a piece of cake when i quit a 30 year habit compared to this monkey- anyway- if anyone has a few extra prayers to spare- throw them my way- ok?
love ya

vic

[cindi]

Shotsy:   i'll live to be 100 also  i love animals,,have had them all my life  i even cried when my 2 year old goldfish died,,,,:(    

Vic,,,that was a very touching post,,,I have a few extra prayers and i'm sending them out to you....and I'll speak for skipper  Keep an angel on your shoulder    Love you all   cin

[Witchywoman]

Hey there Shea...I've not been able to post very much lately, but have been thinking about you a lot and sending energy your way.

I haven't noticed hair falling out faster, but I did notice that I seemed to be getting gray hair faster since being on opiates. My family tends to go gray early though, so it is hard to know if that is the reason.  I'm told that supplementing with B vitamins is important to anyone taking opiates, since they make the body use up those precious B vits. faster, and a deficiency in the B vits. can cause hair loss and early graying.

Anyway..how are you Shea? How's the pain? How's it going trying to stay within your prescribed dose?

ssfr..GREAT to see you post again. Thank you for sharing a bit more about yourself. See..for me, everyone's story helps me. I find a bit of myself in everyone, which stops me from the self indulgent "I'm all alone in this" feeling that can creep up.

Just feeling mushy toward my forum family this evening. I've missed being able to post, being able to respond quickly to everyone.

I love you all.
WW

[skipper]

ok people:
it's ok to talk about your bowel movement (or lack there of), just remember one thing. THIS IS THE MOST SPIRITUL TOPIC A JUNKY HAS TO TALK ABOUT!!! trust me i know, i been there.

this weekend had a revalation for kip. i figured exactly what gave me food poisioning! how did i do this with complete certainty? it was real simple, i ate what gave it to me again!!! before ya' all jump to conclusion this isn't insanity, stupidity yes,insanity no. see i thought i knew what did me in the first time. i was wrong. this enabled me to repeat the expierence. the culpret was some peporoni. i completely overlooked considering this foul sausage the first time. i had a sandwich of this tainted meat for lunch fiday. i started vomiting at 5:00 pm and continued untill 5:00 am saturday. thats when my wife (she really is an angel) took me and my vomit pan back to the ER. same treat-
ment as last wednesday night. instead of an rx to phenergan, i recieved one to compazine. it(the compazine) really worked quit well at squelching any further vomiting. it also put me out like a ton of bricks! after 12 hours of worship at the porcelain altar i needed a little nap! some of us learn the hard way i guess...

well anyhow that was my weekend. i sure hope i don't have to go
thru any more food poisioning!!

keep an angel on your shoulder!!
kip

[cindi]

I'm glad you are feeling better,,ummmmm in all honesty I uess it is better to barf an poopy it all out so it doesn't stay in your body...i, like milo hate the barfs,,,,my son did it yesterday and I followed right behind him   and I'M A NURSE.. when my patients puked so did i and this is when i delegated to my aides that they need to clean up the patient......and i have on on my shoulder             love ya

[Milo]

A good, normal, healthy bowel movement is something to be thankful for! -- Gastrointestinal Milo

[cindi]

WW,,,,,my favorite little WW...i'm glad your back  missed reading your posts....here's a welcome back hug (((((HUG)))))

MILO   you crack me up...too funny....ask kip about the Poopys lately....I think he has spent more time on the throne for the past week than most of us have in a life time..   Here's to healthy Poops    love you all   cin

[Witchywoman]

Milo, you are the man!

LOL LOL LOL

The reason I'm laughing my ass off here is that what you said is sooo TRUE!!!

One of the many gifts of being opiate free is that wonderfully satisfying feeling one gets after a nice, normal, fully healthy movement. Nothing quite like it!

LOL

ok, I'm a bit embarrassed now....   ;-)

love,
WW

[Milo]

I'm glad I made you laugh. There's a line in the movie version of "The Shining" where Scatman Crothers says, "You got to stay regular if you want to be happy." Words to live by!

[cindi]

lololLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL   you guys have me rolling,,,,just don't get My Milo started on the barf thing  LOL   ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww  love you guys    cin

[Milo]

Bless your heart! Food poisoning is one of the worst things I can imagine. Well, anthrax would be worse. I guess I'm not practicing positive thinking! Hope you feel better --Li'l Milo

[Casey2111976]

Hi-

I used herion for awhile afew years ago finally stopped cold turkey--one of the hardest things ever.  But my question is this guy I am seeing is taking Vicodin and I think shooting it up--is that possible?  I am concerned and do not want to get involved with that.

thanks

[Casey2111976]

Hi-

I used herion for awhile afew years ago finally stopped cold turkey--one of the hardest things ever.  But my question is this guy I am seeing is taking Vicodin and I think shooting it up--is that possible?  I am concerned and do not want to get involved with that.

thanks

[gravychic]

hi all

i was reading through this post, and saw how u guys were suffering pain and nausea etc from withdraw from precription medicines, and i was just thinking, to help you get through withdrawl why not smoke weed/pot/cannibis whatever u wana call it??

it will help with sleep, nausea, pains (i would know, i use it INSTEAD of precription meds cos of backpain) appeptite, and is NON PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE, so no withdrawls, ull want to smoke cannibis but not smoking will not make u feel bad/ill/sick, plus cannibis is not harmful to your health to smoke, no lung cancer, no liver failure, no nothing... that is if u smoke pure cannibis and dont mix with tobacco

so yeah, why not try it out? it couldnt hurt right? plus smoking weed would be much healthier than swallowing pills which most times are highly addictive (thats why i smoke pot instead) and you cannot overdose from smoking weed neither, so much safer too

so why not try sometime? it might just be the thing you need, i know pot has saved my life... im only 20, and without it i wouldnt be able to function normally because of backpain caused in a car accident and if you live somewhere where medical marijuwana is legal, then ask your doctor about it as an alternative to your usual pain killers... it works beautifully

why cannibis is illegal astounds me
Yvonne

[iamsick]

I have Chronic Fatigue Syndromw for 9 years now, and only Hydrocodone that makes me FUNCTIONAL and NORMNAL!!!!   I an NOT a druggie, and want mor3e hydrocodone so I can at least go out a few hours a week and pretend I'm normal.  Where can I find a sympathetic physician.

Now, we need food to think clearly and function everyday.  Some need prozac.  So WHAT"S THE DIFFERENCE between taking hydrocodone and eating in order to be NORMAL!?!?

[iamsick]

I have CFS bad and would like help. How do I know the Feds aren't looking here to stop me from getting meds?

[hjp]

chronic fatigue syndrome is just one of those unfortunate conditions that doesn't have an effective treatment.  You may head to a rheumatologist to see if you have fibromyalgia: they kinda run together, but what to do?  Narcotics probably will not be the answer for you if you start out with low doses and just keep increasing them, until you start to lose your edge( your ability to think clearly, remember clearly)  By now you're addicted, but some day you'll want your brain back: then it'll be welcome to the world of detox and addiction.  You might be one of those very few people who could take one or two vicodin a day for years for relief of your condition.  If that's the case opiates might work out ok for you, but I'd get to a pain specialist to follow you initially.  REmember if one is good and two is better, you're an addict.
  good luck with your affliction,  hjp

[Foxxy Kitty]

Hi everyone,
  My name is Kitty.  I have a disease called claustraphobia.  I am a teenager and no one knows about it.  I think I am failing Physical Education because I always move away from the big crowd in games.  I hate it because people always run into me and I feel a loss of personal space.  If anyone wants to talk, post me a message.

[Foxxy Kitty]

Hi everyone,
  My name is Kitty.  I have a disease called claustraphobia.  I am a teenager and no one knows about it.  I think I am failing Physical Education because I always move away from the big crowd in games.  I hate it because people always run into me and I feel a loss of personal space.  If anyone wants to talk, post me a message.