Not so much a question just a warning about sub

I dont know if any of you remember me or not but I was on methadone and got on sub I was on it for six month's and have been off it for 6 day's now I weened myself down to 1 mg and jumped off I have ha almost all the same wd affect's I hade when coming off other pain med's I have been up for close to 48 hrs with 1-2 hrs of sleep my leg's and arm's are killing me and i just feel like giving up but I am so tired of being dependent on pill's I know in time this will pass but I have five kids who need to eat ect and I just dont know what to do. has anyone else been through this trying to get off sub?

[godguidesme]

look im proud of you, i didnt do sub but ive done meth, no joke, wow sub was supposed to be the wonder drug for us!! thats funny,
I know that you can do it. he kids need you & this will pass. I had been clean from everything for years then i got injured, now i have to detox off of oxys not looking forward to it, but im hoping it will be easier then meth that was hard. i just wanted to give you some encouragment, you can do it you came this far good luck and God bless

[mommy52713]

thank you so much for you're kind word's I know sub was to be the new wonder drug for wd's but as far as I am concerned they are all the same the pharmacy's and doc's just want there money I know in time this will pass but at the time it seem's never ending good luck to you and god bless you also

[daisylynn]

Ween slower. I know people who were taking just a sliver of a pill at the end and had close to no syptoms (symptoms). Of course there is going to be a little discomfort but it shouldn't be full on WDs. I am on sub too and hate having to be dependent on it but the alternative for me is Not good. I have tried, like you to stop but I know for me and my kids, at this point in time Its my best bet. Good luck to you.

[liscamdave]

Do try to wean down to as little as you can. And try to take it only when you really need it. Don't take it everyday as you wont need to. Sub has a long half life, so it stays in your system anywhere between 36-48 hours, so you won't need to take it daily from here on out. Just take literally shavings and take it every 2-3 days AS NEEDED. Try to get yourself used to very little then stop. I hear with sub, that you can only take it for a couple weeks. I took it and stayed on it for about 27 days and had w.d, nothing too bad, like not when I w.d from Oxy's, but it wasn't fun. I hear anything over 21 days the w.d is a nightmare. If you stay on sub long enough, the w.d will be worse then your previous DOC. Sub is strong and no joke. I have no clue why its so hyped up. Good luck and I am pulling for you. You can do this....

Lisa

[ochooked]

Hi Mommy ---  I was also fooled by the promise of Sub - and got hooked on it.  I know my fellow members of this site will forgive me if I disagree a little with them ----- You have already been 6 days without Sub so please don't go back and try to wean --- it will only be worse on you.  You are right - -It will pass - -I guarantee it ---  You will begin to feel better soon and once you do I promise you will never again get back on the Opiates -- Sub W/D's are pure He!! but one thing that comes of it that is positive - you will never forget the WD's and will not be tempted to get back on the pills again.  Please just stay the course and it will get better.  I hope you will continue to post and tell others of your experience with Sub - -so many of us have tried but there are still those who read the Sub web site and think that they will escape having to go through W/D process.  One thing is for certain,  after 6 days there is no way I would go back to Sub --- you are almost free of it in your system.  If you go back you will probably be on it for a very long time -- it doesn't get any easier.  All the best to you Mommy and please keep posting ---

[mommy52713]

thank you to all of you who posted and have given me support. I think so many people think this is going to be some wonder drug but it is far from it. I think the wd's are a little easyer but not by much I am so tiered of the no sleep and the leg's and arm's feeling like they are going to fall off it is driving me crazy. To any one who is looking to get on sub PLEASE PLEASE be careful If there is nothing else you can do Please do a short term detox and get off ot as soon as possible

[ochooked]

Mommy - you said it all and I couldn't agree more.  While quitting is the most important thing - it is also important not to have unrealistic expectations ---- Sub will fool an addict into thinking that there are no W/D's ----  It is not true -- it only delays them and when they do come they are far worse than the W/D's from our original drug.  I was on Oxycontin - 140 mg / day --  then began a taper using Percocets and Norcos --- I reduced my intake down to only 70 mg per day and was having some W/D's but not unbearable --- then I found Sub and thought I have discovered the painless way to kick the dope --- I stayed on it for only 21 days starting at 2 mg and tapered to only a crumb -- still suffered for a long time withdrawing from the Sub.   You are going to make it Mommy -- I can read the determination in your post -- -that is what it will take  --  - keep on keeping on and soon you will be FREE ---  Please keep posting and let others know of your experience.  All the best.

[liscamdave]

Mommy, I didn';t see you had 6 days clean already. Def do not start it again and taper. If you have 6 full days of no sub no opiates at all, then just keep going and don't turn back. You will only be putting more opiates into your system and in turn delay the entire w.d process. You can get through it.

Ochooked, I feel for you and your situation. but sometimes when you post about sub, you almost make it seem like its a death warrant. I mean, its bad and the w.d is bad when its not used properly and even when it is used properly, but there have been people who have been successful with it. Everytime i see you post about the subject, you seem to almost scare people based on your situation. I don't mean you intentionally mean to scare them, but the way you write about it and your personal experience, you scare me and I have also taken sub and have been clean for 10 months..lol.

I don't mean to be mean or start trouble. I like you and think you are a smart person, and I actually agree with you on most of your points about sub. I think its wrongfully portrayed as this miracle drug and its anything but. However, you do also tend to classify sub and its effects as actual facts and not just what happened in your case. Everyone is different. For some people, it did work. I am not at all saying you are wrong or that your story is inacurate, because I know it is, but there are people here who took 2mgs for 2 weeks and tapered all within 21 days and had no w.d at all. There are some who had massive w.d from being on it for months on end. So we all react to it different. I believe you should absolutely tell your story. But refrain from saying that if you take sub, this WILL happen and you WILL delay your w.d and it WILL be worse then your previous DOC. I mean, I know this is possible, because I think that if you take large amounts of sub for long term periods, your w.d will be worse then it would have been with your previous DOC, but those are long term, high amount users.

Once again, we are all different. And I do agree with almost everything you think about sub. But, we can't tell people that things will happen to them, just because it happend to us. Understand?? Not trying to be mean or anything like that...I hope you understand...

Lisa

[daisylynn]

Exactly what I was thinking. Our own experience is just that.  I also did not not see the 6 days part and definetly would not go back at that point but I have nothing bad to say about sub. As far as i am concerned that drug gave me my life back. Truly I do hate to be a slave to it but you know what? I have battled addiction most of my life and if I have to stay on this stuff to make sure I don't go back to heroin or pills......so be it. I have a full life and it works for "me". It doesn't make me "high" it just makes me not want to use. Everyone is different as you say and I DO know for a fact of people that weened after even long term use and had little WDs. Whatever works for each of us, right?

[worried878]

agree with liscamdove and ochooked..6 days is to far to go back....if u were in the first day or 2 i would take a tiny crumb if i was abslutely duying..but not 6 days out..u r too close...so close...long wd with sub and up to 2 weeks but the bad part is close to ending for u...u will be so happy very soon..u should be so proud..if u can make it thru sub wd then u have a strong inner being and it will help u make it thru other hard things that come up in ur life..knowing u r tough...keep posting

[TysonRed]

I was also on methadone previously before being mislead into suboxone treatment, looking back I probably should have just continued tapering down the methadone and quit. I had previously beaten methadone years before, but once again fell into the cycle all over again. I believe the one major flawed attribute of sub is its marketing, as having less withdrawal effects than full agonist narcotics. In my experience the suboxone w/d's were the worst that Ive ever encountered, maybe thats because its just the most recent, maybe its just my body. Now I do believe that suboxone works for its intended purpose, it should just be known that it is highly addictive itself and must be treated as such. Opinions vary so much about its usage, how long, how much, how to taper down. Theres really no clear cut answers to any of it, so some people have horrendous w/d's while others report little to no w/d's. Im really glad to hear that you are committed to getting clean, you for sure come to right place to get different peoples perspectives on the topic. Im now 28days clean of sub and still have some lingering discomfort on a daily basis, however it did show me that I will never put myself into that postition ever again. So in the end I have to say that suboxone did work, I did have bad w/d's, but I also was prepared to deal with them for the most part. For me about day 12-15 I started to feel a bit better, was able to sleep for 3-6hrs every night, rather than the 0-2hrs previously. So dont stop now, here soon you should start to improve daily, anything you can do to keep yourself occupied does seem to help. I also started taking the vitamins, amino acids, immodium from the thomas recipe that seemed to help some. Just like worried said, you will be so proud of yourself for overcoming this addiction and rightfully so. Best of luck to you, take care.

[pokerman]

I stuggled with heroin in my early 20s, then pain meds in my 50s.  I started using suboxone to get off vicodin before reading up much on it.  It turned out to be very hard to kick, even though I only started on 4 mg a day.

I posted something titled "I got free of Sub, and so can you".  That posting summarized my approach to cutting back the dosage of suboxin over time, and what else I did to help along the way.

Most of the approach I took was a result of reading very informative postings by FLaddict.  If you type "FLaddict AND sub" into the Search box it will show a link to a posting titled "Suboxone/Subutex FAQ (what your doc won't tell you about sub therapy)".  It is a very good description of suboxin, how it works, and what works getting off it.

[imanaddict]

Here's the link if anyone is interested

http://www.medhelp.org/health_pages/Addiction/Suboxone-Subutex-FAQ-Part-One/show/14?cid=66

[worried878]

there is an addiction counseler here in my city who markets this drug..she gets kick backs cos they gotta come to her for counseling to take the drug as she markets for several doctors...she say the pill is pure "majic"  no wds and if u do have them it is purely psychological..i was a hydro user   80-100 mgs a day..she said i would need to start at 12 mgs a day and stay on 6 months at the least...i was like..she is trying to get me into trouble cos i had learned alot from this forum and really just asked to see what she would say..she had folders by the dozens from the sub company and said only suboxone is a safe drug//subutex is bad...she said sub was a full agonist and it is the naloxone that makes it a partial agonist..that u need to spit the naloxone out!  she was about the most misinformed person i have ever seen..but she trucks around the city pushing this stuff...strange to say the least

[sarahsmiles1244]

Mommy..if your out there...just checking to see if you are still pill free and how you are doing now.

[Sithtiger]

I've never taken Sub before, but I've heard it can be hard to get off of.  That said, people get off of it every day.  I'm sure it will be very hard, but once you do, you'll be so glad!

My therapist....well nurse practitioner said that they're developing two different drugs that do the same thing.  What I mean to say is that these drugs will hopefully switch off the addiction that we have.  It will be like we never took our drug of choice. They are due out this summer and I'm sorry but I don't know their names.  I'll ask her the names the next time I'm there though.

This would mean that we'd never have any cravings again!  I know it's supposed to work for opiates, but I'm not sure about anything like benzos.  Anyway, let's hope it works!  It would be nice to not have to fight addiction for the rest of our lives!

[mr.lucky66]

I don't believe there are any wonder drugs for addiction. It's just hype from the drug companies and the people who work with them. I agree that the people who were on methadone and switched to sub would have been better of just finishing up with methaone.