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take care.
lee.
it's a glum day in the upper midwest. all of yesterdays snow is
trying to melt under gray cloudy sky's. kind of damp and chilly-
you know, just crumy weather for anyone, especially a junky!
keep an angel on your shoulder!!
kip
Peace and joy to your day!
Suzie
i have made it until noon with only one oxy, i am aching pretty
much, but trying to go as long as i can without one. hope you have a pain free day. enjoy the sunshine.
lee.
I have read on several occassions (posts by Bodymechanic in particular) that Clonidine helps with withdrawal. Could anyone please tell me what symptoms it helps with. Also, how much should be taken and when? I would appreciate any information people have to offer.
Thanks
i thought maybe by chance it was the same person.
i thought i read a post by you saying you were from philly.
in any event i hope you are doing and feeling well.
have a great day
hippy
Tracy
I'm from Cincinnati not Philly. We do have some good NA meetings here though. We started one at church called "Under The Influence" It was actually my husband that started it 2 years ago when he got frustrated trying to get me help and kept getting turned down due to lack of insurance. He's an ex-crack/alcoholic so he doesn't understand the pills much. But we have seen NA help alot of people stay clean. We opened up a rehab for women coming off drugs and as I mentioned in my first posts, they made me the administrator. Talk about feeling like a hypocrite!! Well anyway, the important thing is now and what I do from here on out. Hope all's going well with you.
Tracy
It's a beautiful afternon in West-By-God. For me it's day 26 -- still feeling better and better. I'm getting back to being "bright eyed and bushy tailed," which I hadn't been on an ongoing basis since well before my occasional abuse started in mid '96.
I wonder to what extent feeling shi^^y back then lead to my immediate attraction and later (in '00) addiction/constant use. At the time I was: not happy with my job (since left and now work for myself); not eating well (not so much eating bad stuff, as just not eating); drinking a ton of coffee; not sleeping well; not getting any exercise to speak of; and living with a constant sinus infection with bad sinus headaches. All this really started after a serious facial injury in February '96 that left me fairly well out of commission for more than 2 months.
It's no wonder I felt like hell, as I wasn't even giving my body the basics of what it needed. In retrospect I wonder if I didn't simply discover a quick-fix to what could and should have been resolved via a return to more healthy living. I didn't have any WD problems, because I had limited access. But, I began to think of the several days a month with my "new friends" as good days and the rest being very blah. A few times during the '96 to '00 period of minimal use I got back into exercising & eating, which took care of the other problems and I would pass on the pills for 30 to 60 days. But, I'd always revert to my poor health habits, which I justified with the notion that the demands of work didn't leave time for such "luxuries" as taking the time for breakfast or lunch or hitting the gym. Every time I got to feeling like hell again, I'd be much more open to the pills and of course I'd feel great for a few days.
Of course, once I discovered in '00 how to get the hydro more than just once in a while things quickly became different. For some time I stayed feeling very good for long periods - I was not just happy, but constantly on-the-go and very productive. When nothing was available, I "crashed" from overdoing it and not taking care of myself, but it was 4 or 5 months before running out meant real WD. From then on it was just a damn roller coaster, with both the highs and the lows getting lower.
I suggest you take 3 pills a day of whatever your taking. This will make for the easiest withdrawal. You must of course taper by one pill per week.
Let's hope tommorow you can change your name to day2
Bodymechanic
the days are long
the cure is out there
but to get it is wrong
chest pain,nausea,even the runs
i sit in my bedroom
and stare at my guns--------addiction
mscontin is morphine, time release.
I hope that helps!
WW
Group Hug!!!!
Tracy
Peace
Peace
i got a new alphia numeric id and everything is fine now .
i hpe toyr **** well pea gravel to be.
life gets better, you now know the drill.
it s just applcation time, and things will be alright in time.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't you have to have a legitimate Rx to obtain narcotics online?
I just would never dare order anything online...look how easy it was for someone here to hack, let alone the Feds checking out false Rxs.
Has anyone ever thought of that?
CATUF
I know that we can't just stop one destructive behavior without finding a more constructive alternative. Logically, I know what I need to do, but doing it is so damn hard, it doesn't even seem like it's an option sometimes. I've been taking hydro for the last year and a half or so, and I get my prescription, use it all up after 2 weeks (it's supposed to last the month) and then find another companion opiate to sub for those two weeks to stay out of withdrawal.
There is a lot of pain that I'm sure many of us have and are trying to stuff down. I'm more scared of coming off of them than I am of staying on them. Having really bad personal homelife problems and this is just a crutch I'm using to allow me to keep sane. I know these are only excuses, but that's the reality of it.
I'm going to try to develop the mindset that I need to do this for ME. I'll continue to read everyone's stories and try to gain the strength I need to come to the realization that I have no other options other than to quit.
Getting drugs online is way too easy. There are many doctors and pharmacies that will be more than happy to sell you just about any drug you want. That is, at 3 times the going rate. A pharmacy in Florida keeps sending me hydros that I do not want and do not need. They have my credit card number and they are impossible to contact by phone or email. I have tried at least 3 times to get them to stop sending this stuff. Just yesterday the Fed Ex truck pulled up with another 100 norcos. They is always come from a different pharmacy. The refill number always stays at 1 refill. I must be getting better because there was a time when I would have thought this was the greatest thing in the world. I will probably end up cancelling my credit card and getting a new number. Getting drugs online is way too easy. Stay far away from that or you will be a kid with diabeties in a candy store.
Peace
Enough of the paranoia and back to business
Peace
Bodymechanic
Group Hug!!!!
Tracy
Dirtbag, you've got 2 more minutes!!! I'm not kidding now, don't make me come in there!!
Joan
i have a famly and have always had a lot of responsabilty
, running big industrial union jobs, sending my son to collage.
being an husband, running a painting co. on the side, with my
father working for me along with a few freinds from na.
i was clean for 16 years then i had to take meds for pain
then when they took me off them , i was still in pain and got one of my union apprentices to get me vikes, and i was living
my secret life, untill i found this fourm and the good people here, skip, groovy, mr. micheael, irish rose, jess, gwh,
and evryone else. thomas's receipe has been a god send since i started taking it back in march 02.
im back to living, and smiling, and feeling feelings such as
joy and happiness.
we all just have to keep moving in the right direction
no matter what happens. just keep doing the right thing.
and i have found prayer to br very helpful.
tho i don't like to mention religion here on the fourm.
it has a tendency to scare people off, and seperate.
i rather liek to consintrate on spiritualty
such as honesty, openmindedness, willingness, humilty,
unity, faith,commitment.
it's all about growing up.
my own imuturety and irresponsabilty have allway been
thorns in my side and i have to keep an eye on them everyday.
sorry for the bad spelling, peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I only bug the professional writers here about their grammar.
(Please don't get mad Groovy... You know I respect your intelligence!)
Everyone have a good day....
~~~~Jess~~~~
NM156
bt i fasion myself after willaim blake, he spelled things anyway he wanted. but really im just lazy when it comes to spelling and grammer. for someone who reads a book a week for the last 30 years you would think i would do better. it the point that really matters.
pea gravel, my wife is the only one who know the truth about me.
as far as the pills went.
and the people he at the fourm.as far as religion goe's
my father was a monk under thomas merton for 3 years back in the 50;s he is very religious, he is sober 37 years in aa and has
prayer meetings at his house every week, and other s at various
aa member s homes.
i married a jewish girl and she is messianic. jews for jesus.
me i am a roman catholic and will stay one, i find in my heart that it honers my father.
tho my mother is a quaker and lives with me and my wife
for the past 6 years. my son is a easter orthodox catholic,
because the roman church would not recognize my marrage.
my daughter from my 1st marrage is a lutheran , because that is
what her mother was.
my sister is married to a moslem and has 6 children, they are being raised catholic.
i have found a lot of people seperate from other because of
religion. also my religion did not stop me from becomeing an addict. most of the guys i grew up with were all alter boys and
turned out to be some really bad eggs. jails, and such.
i have alway found the reason i used drugs was because of the emotional pains in my life, i used drugs to escape life.
today im trying to face it and live up to my resposnabiltys.
im a good father and husband,
you know growing up i went to the church of don't.
don't do this. don't do that . they never told me what to do.
but i have found prayer to be helpful in my life these days,
god knows we need all the help we can get.
i wound up taking mes in 99 fo valid pain, then about a year later i started to abuse them do to 3 close deaths in the famly.
i got clean agian this past march with the help of this fourm.
i did not know much about opiates, never used them back when i did a lot of drugs , my main drugs were speed and qualudes
and barbs.
so now im 42 and got 7 months and my daughter is married
with a 5 yera old my som just started sarycuse this year.
we just bought a new dream house. in the burbs outsde
philly.
and yes ther are gay people in the picture , my wife has 4 close freind who are gay, i get along fine with them.
they say that is due to me being secure with my own sexuality.
i have a cousin who is gay also she is a doctor,
my grandmother is 97 and a retired doctor, she has out lived her money. she is in a retirement home in nj.
my knephew graduated fom mit 4.0 then harvard 4.0
hes a microbioolgest looking for a cure for aids.
my sister in law is a dr. out in oaklahoma,
i visited her there , what a dead town, saw the place where thry blew up the fed building.
we all love to get together during the holidays and play scrabble, i always win, must be the addict in me.
my so is doing good at school, just got his mid terms all a's.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Group Hug,
Tracy
You all encourage me so much by talking to you. Please keep writing!
Tracy
I'm detoxing from a heavy alcohol habit---day 4 now---he was joining me but only made it 3 days. He's a recovering alcoholic, clean several years, but he gets addicted to everything.
Any idea how he might handle this, or how I might help? I won't be finished my own detox for 4 more days, its hard to be strong for two! (and I know the detox is only the beginning, ah, the beauty of a swirl of brandy held up to the candlelight..except I was drinking it literally by the tumblerful, a quart a day, no romance there!!!fantasy, fantasy!!!!!)
blessings and good luck to all.
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