Opiate based painkillers are evil!

[Corey]

I've just finished browsing this forum for the last hour and am amazed with the many typical addition stories that sound, oh so familiar.
I'm please to say that I beat my problem with Hydrocodone, but certainly would not have started had I known the potential problems.
There should definetly be a more descriptive warning label on nacotics that are potentially addictive. Could be habit forming? How about… is highly additive-so proceed with extreme caution! I really think Doctors also need to inform their patient about the potential risks and should not be so eager refill their patients meds.
Anyone taking opiate based painkillers should discontinue immediately and find an alternative. I know I will.

[hooked on a feeling]

it is pretty easy to get but it makes me feel so good and right now feeling good is hard to do on my own.

[holly]

I beleive also everything here said, one way that helped me kick my addiction was to picture the pills in my hand or the bottle or just walk by the pharmacy And say over and over Satin Be Gone. It helps me in knowing that I have God and with him there is nothing more powerfull. And I am not that week to give into the devil running and ruining my life!!!!

[Bleu']

Yes they are evil!!  That about sums it up in one sentence!!
But what about chronic pain?   It's a catch 22!!
I am leaning toward dealing with the pain, than the demands
of pain pills.  Alternative?  Still looking...

[brian]

Opiates are NOT evil.  Most people do not abuse them.  They are essential for many people, and reduce suffering of those in true pain.  Too much wine will kill you, but those who enjoy a glass with dinner and never have a problem with it certainly don't think it is evil.  People have to take responsibility for their own behavior.  If anyone here got addicted because they didn't know it could happen, they obviously are quite uneducated.  I got addicted, knowing it could and would happen, because I am an addict.  I certainly don't want my disease to affect those who have real pain and need narcotic painkillers.

[imus3]

TO COREY
How are you gona say ''everyone taking opiate meds should get off of them and get on somthin elece''?? Opiate meds are the only thing that works for alot of people, Just because you abused your meds doesent mean everyone does, and anyone with half a brain knows that most pain killers are addictive and have to be taken carefully, And think befor you open your mouth, its hard enough for pain suffers to get good meds without people like you sayin how bad they are, if you dont like them or they dont help your pain,, dont take them. And the only reason your giting off of the is because your doc probly cut you off, and if hydrocodone ''vicoden'' was all you were taking, they are a weak opiate next to oxycontin, morphine exc..and who ever SA MD is,,  Are you a doctor??  What a joke;.

[Chrissie]

Imus3?  Not the real Imus.  Never... but I agree with the good doc, here.  If your pain situation warrants that you can get off... then get off.  Imus?  You don't want to know what I consume each day.  All for good reason, I might add.  The neurontin compliments the baclofen, the baclofen compliments the mexiletine, the mexiletine numbs my nerves enough to warrant a reduction in the morphine that I have to take each day in order for me to think past the pain that rocks my world 24/7, 52 weeks per year/or 365 days (which ever comes first,  ha!)  Without the "morphine", I'd be a writhing idiot.  It all boils down to this:  "If you need opiates to increase the quality of life, take them."  "If you don't need them and take them anyways, well then... you'd be the writhing idiot because you knew better in the first place."

[imus3]

I take .... two 20mg Oxycontins, Two 1mg xanax,, 4 soma And 3 vicoden ES, a day ,,I dont know How much morphine you take but I have taken the MS contin 100mg befor, and they did nothig, I took and bite a 100mg pill;. Morphine is no where near as strong as oxycontin, I just dont like It when people put down opiate meds because they are hard enough to get without Drug abusers going around saying how bad they are;.;.  my web page  ...commnity.webtv.net/imus3/imus3spage

[brian]

Since when is morphine nowhere near as strong as oxycontin?!  Having had both, and having a bit of knowledge about the pharmacology of both, MS-Contin is FAR stronger (which is why it is often restricted to use with cancer patients and the like).  Oxycontin is simply long acting percocet, a strong painkiller but not in the same league as morphine.  BTW, by your posts you seem to imply you are not a drug abuser, yet one has to wonder why a non-drug abuser would ever bite a MS-Contin.  The answer is obvious, if it walks like a duck and quacks...it's a duck.

[to brian; the duck man]

Enough about ducks, To me, the morphine dident work as well as the oxycontin,[ oxycodone] probly because in morphine 90% of morphine is absorbed in the liver when taken oraly,         less than 50% is waisted in the body with Oxycodone, thats why morphine doesent work as good oraly, I always thought morphine was a lot stronger than oxy, unill I tried it, And thats what most other pain suffer's say as well, As for biting them, I sometimes bite  the oxycontins too if Im in bad pain, I bit the MS pill because I wanted to see how much I would need to kill the pain If I was going to switch over to it, Im glad I dident switch befor tring them, would have been a waist of time. How much and what do you take and what for??? And the reason docs dont give morphine to anyone but people that have cancer ext, is because most dont know there ass from a percocet, They think people will git 'high' on it, but they give out soma to anyone with a stiff finger, do you know why????  because soma is not a regulated drug,
Even though it gets you higher than any oxy or MS, they {the docs} wont get in any trouble with the DEA no mater how much soma they give out, And morphine is at the top of the DEA no no list, So thats why its so hard to get CLASS 2 meds, if you need any more help, you just ask;;.

[Chrissie]

MS-Contin had a spot on 60 Minutes.  If my memory serves me correctly, it had to do with a woman with severe back problems who owned her own dress shop.  Her physician had his license revoked because the state claimed that he (and colleagues like him) were making drug addicts out of patients suffering from chronic pain by giving them MS-Contin.  They interviewed the woman in question... put the cameras on her from the time she got up in the morning (she almost was paralyzed from pain), then filmed her consuming the MS-Contin, and a short while later the lady was moving about minus a certain percentage of pain.  According to her, she had tried everything except the MS-Contin.  When she did, it worked.  I sincerely hope the physician was re-instated.

As for Oxycontin, I have to put it in the same category as Brian... "a long-acting percocet."  And while we're at it, let's address this "biting" scene.  You can't break an MS-Contin in half.  If you do, you blow the sustained action.  No wonder it didn't work.  If you want immediate action, try MSIR.  If you don't know what that stands for... Morphine Sulphate Immediate Release.  Soma is mild.  I took it years ago.  Baclofen is far stronger.  I too have a limited background in pharacology.  My brother-in-law is a Doctor of Pharacology and now invents medications.  If I have (had) any questions whatsoever about certain medications, I go to him with them.  Hear me.  MS-Contin is stronger than Oxycontin, Oramorph, Vicoden (all hydrocodones), etc.  Why?  Because it's MORPHINE.  Before my craniotomy, I took 180 mgs of it a day.  Post cranie?  Down 90 mgs a day (crappy withdrawal-but the ritalin was far worse.  Too much morphine causes the "nod", so you have to take methylphenidate in order to remain "focused".)  To tell you the truth?  I wished I didn't have to take anything.  I wouldn't have a pill case loaded with 8 stinking pills 3 times a day (that's 24 a day) 7 days a week trying to have a quality of life.  It never ceases to amaze me why there are idiots out there making a game out of consumption!  There are other forms of entertainment!

But... forget that you don't want them... if you need them, you need them.  Just pray you don't need so much that methylphenidates are needed because then you open another can of worms. - Chrissie

[TO CHRISSIE]

When you bite ocycontin or ms contin, it realeses all at once, so if the ms dident work on me when i bite it,, It shure as hell wont work if I eat it whole, only releasing 10 mgs an hour, If it works on you, great, It doesent on me, probobly because my tolerance is to high for them to work, your right, oxycontin is the same thing as percocet, oxycodone, How much oxy were you taking beor you went to morphine?

[Chrissie-2 Last Comment]

I've been on MS-Contin for over 5 years now.  You asked about how much Oxycontin  I "was" taking.  Not enough to even dent the chronic pain from Neurofibromatosis-2.  I caught the painkiller bus on Lortab 7.5's then 10's.  When they stopped working, I transferred to Oxycontin-Oramorph and when I reached the end of the line with them... it was a new ticket altogether and I was told by every single one of my specialist that this stop would be the last before a massive craniotomy.  Like I stated before... I wished to GOD that I didn't have to take even just one!  They're "evil" if you do... and "evil" if you don't.  So what makes the difference anyways how you float your boat?  It's apparent that it ain't a good badge to wear either way you consume.  Those who seriously need opiates, their hands are tied.  Those who don't need opiates, tie their own hands. - Ciao

[imus3]

oramorph is morphine, if you say the morphine works, how come it diident when you were taking it with the oxy?

[To Imus]

I suppose individual metabolisms are responsible for one drug working better or differently than another?  I want you to know that I don't relish the fact that I have to be on morphine.  Nor do I like having to take Neurontin coupled with Baclofen along with it.  To me, it's an every-8-hour hassel and a boat that I didn't "choose" to float.  Having to "use" out of necessity doesn't make swallowing easier.  It only means that I don't get "high".  I just gain quality of life, because without my boat the world wouldn't be a very pretty place.  It's been swell conversing here.  Have a good one. - Chrissie

[just here]

I too have been looking at this forum and at first was so depressed it almost made me want to stay on all of it.
But, with the help of Brian's suggestion, I went to my doc and
told him I needed some help off the soma and hydrocodone.
I have a herniated disk, degenerative disk disease, and was very abused by my first husband. I have had many surgeries for a broken nose, abdominal rupture,ect. And not once got hooked on anything. But back and neck pain is a very different story.
Anyway, I told my doc about the detox I heard about and he didn't even listen to me! He wanted to put me on ultram. He told me to stay on the soma, but that is a bad withdrawal in itself-
believe me. Now I feel like I have two monkeys on my back.
Anyway, I ended up grabbing, yes I said grabbing my doctor by the
jacket, and said, HELP ME! I told him I did not blame him. But I
said for god sake I came here after knowing you for 10 years and you are not listening to a word I'm saying. SOWHAT DOES HE DO?
he gives me 40 hydro's and 60 soma and says we'll get you into
physical therapy. UGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!
tO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT,doctors are not at fault, but
sometimes they feel too comfortable with old patients.You really have to jerk theyr'e chain to get through. He even cmmented
on my 16 pound weight loss and my high blood pressure. DUH!
Brian are you out there buddy? could really use some help.
Thanks. I have even givin up on praying, cause I feel I let god down.

[To Just Here from Chrissie]

My mother had the exact same ailments... herniated disc and degenerative disc disease.  Mom lived with her problem from the age of 50 until she died at 79.  Her physician refused to perscribe meds such as yours.  She was doomed to frigging darvacets that really didn't do much.  If only he would have perscribed something better, she would not have suffered like she did.  Her quality of life would have been better.

Sometimes, addictive medication cannot be avoided.  It is no sin to use them when chronic pain is the issue.  I also am doomed to using them as you have undoubtably read in earlier comments.  You have not let god down.  Don't ever think that.  If you feel good from the effects that occur from your meds and you can get things done (so to speak), you are fine.  God knows that quality of life is important, otherwise he wouldn't have provided these certain drugs to be used within reason by you.  I'm one who believes in the strict schedule of consumption.  I never use more than perscribed.  If I need more because my disease (NF-2) is progressing, my doc will be the first to hear about it.  You do not have a monkey on your back when chronic pain is the issue... and what you suffer from is absolute progressive chronic pain.  Trying to "kick" your medications and take nothing would be like opening another can of worms into a physical nightmare.

I look at it like this... there are users and then there are abusers.  The abusers use for recreation.  The users use for quality of life.  Please go visit the Neurology/Neurosurgery Forum here on Medhelp.  I'm sure you'll find that you aren't alone in your dilemna and for god's sake... don't view yourself as an abusive addict because you're not.  Brian?  Please comment. Sincerely - Chrissie

[Brian to Just here]

I'm really sorry to hear about your experience with your doctor.  It sounds like he just is incapable of REALLY listening to you and/or has no idea what to do.  Please don't give up praying.  You haven't disappointed God.  All of us are human which makes us imperfect, exactly as God created us.  As long as you try to make yourself better you are letting no one down.  With respect to your doctor suggesting Ultram, what a bad idea that was.  Good for you that you didn't agree.  As far as Chrissie's post, I agree with what she says for chronic pain patients that can't live without painkillers.  As I have often posted here, if the choice is addiction vs. living a terrible life full of pain, I'll take addiction any day.  However, from your post YOU believe you have a problem which means you probably do.  Therefore since this doctor is unable to assist you, I strongly recommend seeking out an addiction doctor.  He/she can get you off the hydro and soma and can also help with non-addictive pain relief.  Hang in there, you will make it.  You did a very brave thing by confronting your doctor and it is not your fault he didn't listen.  Keep moving forward and address this problem with someone who will.  Take care, Brian

[stephanie]

no drugs

[Matthew Perry]

wHAT'S THE DIIFERENCE IN TAKING AN ANTIDEPRESSANT OR AN OPIATE PAIN KILLER?  THEY BOTH MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD......

[Kate]

I have been taking Norco for the last 6 months, I fell at work and hurt two discs in my back. i have limit myself to 4  325-10mg a day . i see myself in a lot of these stories i don't want to leave the house without them. i have been very cabby lately and it is because of this drug. i have been splitting them in half for two day's i am trying to get off them today is day two. i took only 2half yesterday . i do have body aches and woke up at 5 am.does anyone have ant info on norco? is the same as vicodone?

[Brian to Sick and Scared § ALL you guys]

Norco has the same narcotic as Vicodin (hydrocodone) but it has twice as much (10 mg. vs. 5 mg.).  If you tapered slower, your withdrawal would likely be more limited.  Rather than taking 4 per day, start taking 3.75 for a few days, then 3.5 for a few days, etc. until you are finished.  Good luck.

[dick demall]

the pills are awesome for some great boot knockin' !!!

my gigantic erections last longer than ever

[matt]

i would just like to say that i see a pain doc who perscribes me three vicoden per day every day i have failed back syndrome looking at more surgery now past expierience with these pills has educated me not to go hog wild and take 10 a day. but being in constant pain i dont feel any addictive tendencies like i have before taking alot of them without pain. but what i want to know is how in gods name do you people get 20 50 80 of these pills a day there cant be any doctors perscribing 80 pain pills every day that is not happening. so i say if you need meds take them. anything is bad for you if you over do it. but dont ditch the people out there that are really hurting thats cruel. if your addicted to pain meds it nobodys fault but your own. anyhow that my opinion its probably wrong.

[TJINVEST]

MY WIFE IS CURRENTLY GETTING OFF OF 60MG EXT RELEASE MOROPHINE.  SHE IS HAVING TERRIBLE WITHDRAWS FROM THIS.  I HAVE GIVEN HER 10MG VICODIN 5 A DAY EVERY 4HRS.  FOR 2 DAYS.  NOW SHE IS ON 5 7.5 MG 5 TIMES A DAY FOR 3 DAYS.  THEN SATURDAY WE ARE STARTING 5 500 MG PILLS A DAY FOR 3 DAYS.  THEN MOVING TO 3 500 MG TABLETS A DAY.  THEN 2 1/2'S OF 500MG A DAY FOR 4 DAYS.  CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME SOME INSIGHT TO WITHDRAWS THAT SHE IS HAVING.  SHE IS VERY DEPRESSED AND TWITCHY AND IS IN SEVERE PAIN ALL THE TIME UNTIL SHE TAKES A PILL THEN IS 50% FOR ABOUT AN HOUR.  IS THERE SOMETHING SHE CAN DO OR TAKE OTHER THAN WHAT IS LISTED ABOVE TO MAKE THIS AN EASIER PROCESS.  NEED SOME HELP SHE IS MISERABLE.

[Soonerdean]

I have finally found peace with my pain med use thanks to the posts above.  I am down to one 5/500 Lortab a day and have to FIGHT to do this due to pain in both feet, legs and lower back.  I dont want to take anything but I'm finding as I age it gets harder to fight off problems.  One thing I have found is when I dont get enough sleep my pain is much higher.  I work in an industry where I may get a call at 2am to go to work after working 12 hours the previous day.

I have fought with myself, God and my wife over the past 6 months trying to get off this stuff.  When I am suffering my pain level goes up, my quality of life goes down, I'm downright awfull to be around.  When I take the Lortabs..the pain goes away...I can get things done and I'm better to be around.  Yes..I do take them for the high sometimes but ALWAYS for the pain.  

I know I am addicted to them but what choice do I have?  I have tried every supplement know to man, epidural shots in the back and feet, massage, tapes...everything I know to try and keep off these white devils.  Nothing works like my LORTAB!  AM I wrong for taking them?  Am I headed down the wrong path?  I really wish all I had to deal with was an addicition..it would be easier for me.

One thing that does scare me is one day this will have to end...my doc quits giving them to me, he moves, insurance runs out, change job...etc.  Even though I try to keep my usage to under 2 pills a day I find myself thinking aobut my next pill.  Right after the effects of the first one wears off I immediately begin thinking about what time I get to take the next one and that is what scaraes me.

I do own the people on this board a great deal of thanks.  YOu people helped me kick a Fentanyl patch addiction and that change my life and gave me my life back.

My biggest problem is the fight with myself about taking these things.  Now that I'm 44 every morning I get up something different hurts and I always thought i was in pretty good shape. Who knows..one day science will develop something to help us all.

[OXIHYPE]

my friend. i will tell you one thing............ try and get off of oxicontin after 6 months.......then we'll be on a even argumentative playing field.....the drug is EVIL!!!!! i didnt abuse this medication taken as prescibed and dosed up from 20mg to 40 mg 3 times a day and, the withdrawal symptoms that i had, i wouldnt wish on my worst enemy(period).........  i dont drink alcohol and never had to take more than the presribed amount so i didnt abuse the drug........ it abused me.....i consider myself a strong willed person who quit smoking 2 packs of cigs a day cold turkey, the hydrocodone detox (that i quit cold turkey) was laughable!!!!!!  compared to this drug.  and anyone thinking of breaking/chewing an oxi exhibits additive traits unless you're dieing ..........dont do it!  you equate enjoying a glass of wine in the same paragraph of you're uneducated rant!  i had you're dillusional (1) glass of wine (figueratively speaking ) and it  brought me to my knees in prayer.  IT SEEMS LIKE THEIR ARE SOME PEOPLE ON HERE THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT RIGHT IN THIER MINDS THAT ITS OK TO INFREQUENTLY INDULGE IN AN INNOCENT HIGH. THIS DRUG ISNT SOMETHING TO TAKE LIGHTLY! the weight of detoxing will sober you're thoughts up real quick  

[OXIHYPE]

you're DOCTOR could help!!!     mine prescribed clonidine (blood pressure med/which i dont have typically) .10 mg twice a day and valium twice a day aside from tappering off lower mg's of whatever shes taking , i dont know what shes dealiing with or that particular drug but my issue is with oxicodine withdrawal  and this is what I'm starting tomorrow.(cold turkey didnt cut it) pain management facilities are there to do what you are asking for and that is .....  HELP with her withdrawal symptoms and manage her pain. you need professional advise, i feel for ya buddy, god bless and good luck!  

[radrandy]

One thing I notice in here is that everyone is thinking way wrong. There is a major difference between addiction and dependence. When you need something mentally you are addicted, just needing it physically means you are dependant. I have had 34 knee surgeries in the past 12 years including having both knees replaced at the same time (loads of fun). I am 33 years old and have been taking 80mgs of Oxycontin 3 times per day for 2 years next month. If you are worries about being addicted to these or you have an addictive personality you should just stay he hell away from them, but if you need them the easy way to figure it out is just ask yourself, do I need this or want this. I wake up every day and ask myself that question, and I have to say it’s very hard but I know even after 2 years but I know that I still own this drug, it does not own me. And just for those who don't believe I had to kick the same dose 2 years ago because I lost my insurance and had to go without insurance for 9 months. I have felt withdrawal and it is about the worst thing I have ever had to endure, next to rupturing both patella tendons completely at the same time (that means that my knee caps tore loose and rolled up my leg), so to say the least, it’s bad. I did not get to leave bed for the first two months and then me wife found an organization that helped me with the cost so I was able to get my life back and begin walking again, well limping anyway, but hey I am still standing and they said that would end before I was twenty so don’t ever let the doctors word be the end all be all, keep pushing. I wish you all luck, whether you are addicted or have a dependence this is a tough drug either way.

[Dave W.]

I hear ya all too well Randy. I have had 2 total hip replacements at your age also. It's a tuff mental
thing to deal with at that age,never mind the chronic pain we're trying to remove from our lives.
I'm going on 5 years being "Dependant" on pain meds. The worst part of my experience is that
the PM Dr. started me on Methadone way back when I had no knowledge of how addictive it was
and never even got a warning from him before he prescribed it to me. I just stopped taking the
Methadone for 5 weeks and was doing the worst thing I could have done,slowing the withdrawl
process by taking my oxy to ease the withdrawls from the Methadone. I was going insane when I
got off both,but only thought I was going through the oxy withdrawls. I was dead wrong,I was going
through both Methadone and Oxy withdrawls at the same time. No wonder I had suicide on my mind
every minute of every day.I personally don't think someone could have worse withdrawl symptoms,
but I wouldn't be suprised,if someone came on this forum with 3 drugs they were withdrawling from.
Not much can suprise people who have gone through these nightmare withdrawls,right? I feel that
there is a huge difference in the way people should be veiwed who are abusing pain meds for
legitamate pain and those who are recreational abusers,but we all get frowned upon the same by
the public and at least the hospitals I've been to. It's a shame,but we are all going through this
same nightmare,day in and day out,together,so I have nothing against anyone in my shoes.God
Bless.

[Jim Richardson]

I am forty years old and I have been taking lortab and vicodin for ten years....I don't like it, but I also want to live a somewhat normal life.  I have spinal arthritis and a couple of circumferential disc ruptures/buldges that press against my spinal cord and nerve roots.  I live in the country where jobs are hard to come by and most of them are construction type jobs and other physical jobs.  I would love to work as a carpenter or mason and be able to "fit in" with the rest of the community.  But its almost impossible for me, its like torture.  People do not understand chronic pain unless they are in it themselves.  Sure, I would like to build a home for myself, just like all of my friends, but that is out of the question without some sort of medical intervention such as an opiate pain medicine.  I have no insurance to get surgery or to get physical therapy.  The closest pain clinic is two hours away.  What am I supposed to do.  I don't think life is worth living when you are in torture every day.

[ouch123]

As though you didn't have a clue they weren't addictive! Be a man! Stop the blame game! Thers millions of chronic pain people who take these meds,and it helps them lead a some-what normal life!And there not addicted!I'm sorry people for being blunt!But its people like this that just **** me off!! If it weren't for my pain meds. I couldn't play with my daughter,I couldn't even cook dinner for christ sake! This guy abuses opiates,and what he is saying is there no good for anyone.Oh,by the way,THAT BRIGHT ORANGE STICKER ON THE BOTTLE HAS THE WARNING!

[slideshow]

Shhhhheeeeeeeeeesh......I had this long sermon all typed out, you know about EVIL and all that, then realize the post was 9 years old.....Catchy title though don't you think?

[ouch123]

Me2! I was looking at the date of the last response.

[NorthernMN-dee]

I feel for you. I have been on the chronic pain busride in hell for almost 8 years. a few med changes and still suffering.  The docs got it from a screaming 10 to a 5 on the rare best days, I usually function at7 and move slow. be well, take care of yourself, reach out here and anywhere and most important-- KNOW THIS:: YOU ARE **NOT** ALONE
Dee

[NorthernMN-dee]

I feel for you. I have been on the chronic pain busride in hell for almost 8 years. a few med changes and still suffering.  The docs got it from a screaming 10 to a 5 on the rare best days, I usually function at7 and move slow. be well, take care of yourself, reach out here and anywhere and most important-- KNOW THIS:: YOU ARE **NOT** ALONE
Dee

[professionalwithdrawler]

I'm a recovering alcoholic drug addict with a pain problem. Ive been on almost every pain killer on the market and very high doses. Ive become somewhat of a professional withdrawler. I'm looking for ways to deal with chronic pain other than narcotics. i've seen addiction docs and they recommend fentynal patches or methadone for someone like me. I've also seen a pain specialist and he recommended hydro morph contin  or ms contin. The patch gives me some pain relief and i don't abuse it, but I also get extremely depressed when I take it. Ive never tried methadone, my situation doesn't really permit it. i'm told that addicts should avoid short acting opiates like tylenol3 or oxycontin etc. short acting opiates trigger the obssesion and compulsion in the amygdila(not sure how you spell it) part of the brain. There is a new drug out apparently called suboxone that is supposed to work great for withdrawl. Someone like me who has to take narcotics occasionally being an addict I have to get off them as soon as possible. Painkillers are not evil they are a god send for people in pain. I'm so friggen miserable and bitchy and hate life when i'm in pain, nobody wants to be around me and I can't help it. I'm going to a pain clinic for a couple weeks, hopefully I can gain some knowledge there. If anyone has suggestions for someone in my situation i welcome them with an open mind. I believe if I don't find a solution I will probably have an early death. I love life and love being clean and sober. I suffer mentally, physically, and spiritually when i'm in pain and on pain killers. But I really dfriggen suffer in pain without painkillers. I know there is a certain mind body connection. I know my mind can cause pain or more pain when i'm really not in that much pain, b ut m y addict mind tends to go into overdrive sometimes. I start to rrationalize as to why I should take one more pill so I can feel that much more better...anyway it's a vicious circle.. Anybody know what i'm talking about?

[joann1975]

This is a very old post.... if you will click back to forum and do post a question... I would just cut & paste this one into and you will get a lot more responses and help!