Oxy addiction - anyone heard of the 'rapid detox'

[ochooked]

I have gone on line and seen the term 'Rapid Detox' on several sites.  when calling to check into this, I was told the clinic puts you to sleep for a period of time (depending on how much usuage you have had).  While asleep, they apparently use Narcan to 'instantly' remove the drugs from your receptors.   Then after 2 - 3 days it is all over with and the patient goes home.  This sounds too good to be true so there must be some of you out there who have heard of it and what the real story is.  Thanks for any help you can offer.  I am on Oxycontin and Percocet for a total of 140 mg day of Oxycodone.   I guess the cost is really high also - - $15K for treatment.   Sure would like to hear anyone who has had experience with this or know of someone who has.  Thanks  Oxyhooked

[sadinmichigan]

oh my...welcome to the forum..I would just like to say..if it sounds too good to be true...it most likely is..I have had a couple of friends try this method..it wasn't any easier for them then to go cold turkey..except it cost @$5000 at least here in Michigan (which is the base price not including aftercare services etc....Barbara Walters had a special on it also a couple of years ago with the dr that pioneered this $$ making procedure. Incidently the Dr. had since been arrested for other charges ..It is horrible that these people take the desperation of hearts..and use it for their gain. Nothing in life worth while is easy. Just the way it is..After being on this site and reading countless posts and going through my own history of drug use/abuse I am thankful that I never got to do the rapid detox..(oh I tried to get the $$)..it is the battle to stay clean that is rough..I don't care what they offer you to escape w/ds..it is not enough..We need to deal with the root of why and have a true desire to really be off them..I have been through cold turkey w/ds from methadone and pain meds..it's not a walk in the park..But there is less expensive ways to get off drugs..How long have you been on Oxys? I am glad you are seeking out ways to rid yourself of these pills..take care..

[dominosarah]

Welcome to the forum.  I have heard this can be a very dangerous procedure.  Usually if it sounds to good to be true it usually is.  You have come to the right place if you are looking for help.  The support and encouragment is great here.  We are here for you.   sara

[10356]

Coming off any opiate after long term use especially a high dose should be tapered a bit.. but it can be done if you are committed.. We had a lady post who was going to do this I wonder often how she fared as it is very dangerous as people have died... Could you imagen your lungs when they give you the Narcan as the opium suppresses breathing then the fluid builds up or your heart for that matter and in 3 day's it's all over with.. I doubt that very much....
If your looking to get off your doc you came to the right place, you will find support, encouragement and understanding.. Withdraw su$ks but it is done by many..  The pay off of a few days of he!! and a few more days of discomfort for freedom is not too harsh of a penalty.. Hope to see you post again.. lesa

[GoingToMakeIt]

I have heard it is very dangerous. Try doing a search here for it. avisg has some good info on it too.

[avisg]

Here is an article on rapid detox for all who a considering it

The dangers of rapid-detox drug treatment
The Ontario Coroner's Office is investigating a second death connected to a chain of drug treatment clinics that offer a a highly controversial treatment that has divided addiction experts. So-called "rapid detox" treatment uses a cocktail of medications to speed through the withdrawl process while the patient remains under sedation. As part of the procedure, the patient is implanted with a pellet of the opate antagonist Naltrexone to prevent them from having intense cravings or obtaining any "high" from opiates once the treatment is complete.

At first glance this sounds like it could be a great procedure -- why suffer through weeks of withdrawl symptoms when you can get through the worst of it in a few hours while unconcious? However, some experts claim it is biologically impossible to fast-track withdrawal and that the dangers of the procedure are not worth the potential payoff.

The Toronto Star has a very detailed investigation in to the latest death, including a lot of background information on the procedure for those who may be curious about pursuing it. It looks to be somewhat of a last-resort option, but it seems to me it won't do you much good being clean if there's a good chance that you'll die in the process

[NautyOne]

My sister was a Nurse in a psyc. unit where they did this "rapid detox"  she quit because she couldn't ethically do what they asked her to do.  There are all different types of rapid detox, and I disagree with the above poster that it is as bad as C/T.  Your put out.  Did you look into the waismann method on here?  I saw the doctor do the procedure, and the patient ....I believe.....goes home the next day.  No withdrawal.

There is always risk, but if you are going to do this.  Definitely find a reputable place.

good luck,
Luv,
Nauty...........

[sadinmichigan]

As I stated my FRIENDS that did this weren't better off then if they had gone cold turkey..I was not referring to any one else other that their own personal experiences..And that was out of their own mouths. and it's good enough for me to stay away from trying to take the easy way out..If it was such a good procedure then it would be all over the news as the best thing ever, even as costly as it is plenty would be doing it.

[ochooked]

Thanks for all the input about Rapid Detox.  Yea, I guess everyone wants to find the easy way out - just go to sleep and in a day or two it is all over.  I have been checking around the i-net and find that prices vary from $9K to $18K.   So, I guess it just depends on the individual.  One guy posted a very positive experience saying he was using 200mg Oxycontin per day and after 10 hours of sleep and two days of recuperating in a hospital, he never experienced W/D other than being weak and having diarrhea for a few day afterward.  I am only just starting to taper from 140 mg of oxy per day so I know this will be no picnic.   Just would like to hear from someone on this board who has personal experience with the rapid detox.  I am just like many of you though, who find great solace in this site - it's good to communicate with those who really understand what you are going through.

[avisg]

I dont know anyone on this site that as gotten it ......If I hear of anyone I will piont them in your direction.Have you conisdered something like suboxone if you dont want to taper off or go cold turkey.

[johnnykelly]

Its simple science,but it is very expensive.The major problem is getting the drug out of the physical body is achieved in a few hours,but the procedure also intails an implat that acts as an opioid blocker.The part that is problematic is your desire to use is still in affect.There is nothing that stops the patient from wanting to use and they in most cases do,as for the implant,its is placed just in the skin,and is easily dug out.The result is not successful without pre and post operative treatment.

[ochooked]

Thanks for your comment, Avisg.   I read on this site, a little about suboxone - but didn't know you could use it instead of the cold turkey or taper method.   I want to check into it - - the thought of spending about 10K or more to avoid detox doesn't appeal to me unless there is no other way.   I have been on 140 mg of Oxycontin and Percocet for over 5 years.  The good news is that I have never gone up on this dose - - but I have tried once to taper for a few days and then cold turkey it.  I lasted about 5 days but cratered.   I am really serious about getting this drug out of my system - - - Like most of the others I have read on this site, I want to see what it's like to feel real emotions again.   This stuff masks everything - every feeling, every emotion, every (even) normal pain.  This is not real life - there is just too much to do and trying to do 'life' with this stuff in your system changes everything - --  I am either using or thinking about my next 'fix' - - - no way to exist.  Thanks again - -  this site is a real lifesaver.   Ochooked

[avisg]

Put suboxone in google search you can find tons of info . I think its a much safer method then the rapid detox and cheaper its worth looking into ...
avis

[ochooked]

Thanks Avisg;   You really are a God send.   I am trying to gather as much info as possible before starting to come off this stuff.    The thing that scares me the most about Suboxone is that wicked half life.  Judging from what I see on here and the Suboxone site, it appears that if I can come off the subox in a 21 day time frame, I may just be able to beat the W/D's.  Hope someone who has been on it will share what a 21 day treatment with Sub will cost - - also, if anyone was successful in avoiding W/D in that time frame.  Wow!!  That is only three weeks - I suppose it may be too optimistic to think I could get this monkey off my back and be clean in only three weeks.  I will try to keep posting no matter what plan I decide on - - this site is a really good source of information for all those who follow.  Just hope to help them also.  Ochooked

[Decisions]

Interesting, that one of the "sponsors" of this method is pasted on the top of these forum posts.
I also wondered if anyone had experience going through this.  

[desperate1111]

there should be several here on the sub. it sounds like you really want this. making a plan is what it takes. good luck to you. be sure to check out the health pages here. it helps to get healthy.

[avisg]

I agree with the 21 day taper I think that is the way to go .

[mr.lucky66]

I never talked to anybody who had the UROD procedure who said any thing good about it. It makes docs richer and can really be a bad experience. The 21 day sub taper makes sense for you type of habit.

[broknbck]

yea,
i looked into the rapid detox. not a very good track record and yes you still have withdrawl when you go home.

so save yourself the money.

i was willing to pay it if it would work, so i figured if i am going to spend that kind of money , lets have  fun doing it.

quit work for some time-months and was like on vacation which helped tremendously. was able to get things in order. let my back heal up and get a rest from working finally. got a new social life , new friends and stuff.
if you have the money- this was immeasurable, made it so much easier.
lets face it , it is going to take time no matter what you do.

[makinit]

I had this procedure done near near Troy, Michigan in 2006. I don't have enough time to tell you all that I wish to tell you about what happen throughout my ordeal with this nightmare of a procedure, but I can tell you that I was mislead in many ways. Withdrawals still lasted for a lengthly time after the procedure. In short terms I was so sick after coming out of the anths.that I thought I was going to die. I was literally throwing up and filling up 18 gallons garbage cans and Dirrehia from hell at the same time. After I returned home and after a week had gone by I was still pretty sick and eventually ended up removing my implant to relapse. I wouldn't recommend this procedure to my worst enemy.

[mr.lucky66]

Yes  makinit, that bad and that's all I hear about it. I also heard they diaper you so you don't soil yourself too badly. In theary it makes sense but because they get the dope out of you doesn't mean you will get through it any faster. Withdawl lasts the same amount of time no matter what you do. I've had narcan before (in a ER when I was awake), and they snuck it too me. I can't ever remeber being so tormented, a true hell on earth. I think the best thing is to detox with support meds like clonidine and valium and just get through it and trust God.

[Bre333]

Hi. Just to let you know, A Rapid Detox is safe, the only thing you need to worry about is anesthesia and who is performing it. Make sure you get pre examination tests done and do your research. As far as the place in Ontario, that's Canada, not the states. Look into the Waismann Method. Good luck.

[geebees]

Does anyone have a comment/experience with rapid detox (oxycontin) at a well known Florida detox centre?  I'm hoping this is the real deal.  It's crazy expensive, but trying to reduce slowly..it's killing me.  I take 320mg/day oxycontin...prescribed after  bad accident & 3 mos. in trauma/burn unit.  I was told "you cannot become dependent on this drug as long as PAIN is present".  That was in 2004 before the pharma company's fraud was uncovered.  5 years on this med has ruined my health, but i see no way out.  I'm praying the place in Florida is legit.  Appreciate any information.

[ochooked]

Hi Geebes ---   Sorry it took me awhile to get back to you.  I live in Florida and wish I had better news for you. When I was checking into this type of program I looked at two very seriously.  The best one I found was in Las Vegas -- the cost (in July) was $9000 (I think -- or close to that) --  The Florida program was much higher.  I talked to some people who had been through this as well as one lady who had worked there --- the news was not good.  I couldn't find anyone who had actually had success -- I mean who lived up to the billing where you go to sleep, they pump Narcan and other stuff into you and when you wake up you are clean---- It just doesn't work like that.  They may get all of the opiates out of you but from what I was told - the withdrawals still are present for a long time.  They put an implant in you (in most cases) that slowly dispenses a drug (Naloxone) to keep the patient from using again  --  This is similar to the drug they give Alcololics to keep them from drinking.   As it turned out (in my case) I chose almost just as bad an option - Suboxone --- The only worse thing I could have used was Methadone --- Sub and Meth stays a very long time in your system and causes W/D's that are 10 times worse than Oxy (also my DOC).   If I were going to do it over again - I would use Percocet and Vicodin to taper with -- have someone dispense my pills on a schedule, and decrease my dose like that.  I would also do what I did -  cut off my supply -- can't leave the door open for that "just in case" moment --- if you do you will fail.  Then get someone to be accountable to -- I did and it helped.  You can kick this if you do these steps -- if you try to leave yourself an out - you will take it and fail.  Wish you all the best.