Oxy withdrawal

[joey25]

I am just curious as to how bad withdrawal can be?  It has been 60 hours now since my last dose and I believe I am starting to feel normal again.  The last 2 days were very uncomfortable, but I didn't experience any throwing up or other symptioms that other talk about, just cold sweat and boredom and a general discomfort. It wasn't like I was on a small a small dose either.  I was snorting 240 mgs of oxycontins for the past 2 - 3 months straight. Anyone have any comments??

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

Consider yourself fortunate but you are not of the woods yet.  The craving for more can and will come back at any time.  I'm sure that most of us here can relate to that point.  Oxy's aren't supposed to be snorted.  However, I've done worse things with pharmacuticals and gotten away with it temporarily.  These things have a way of coming back to haunt you later and it really hurts!  Would you care to elaborate on your problem a little more?  J.B.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

I am glad to hear you are doing better! The key to oxycontin addiction is staying clean. Trust me I know! The easy part is the physicial detox. Go to NA meetings and get yourself some help right away. If you think that you can do it on your own you will be in for a big surprise. The point is that oxys are so "clean" and its easy for us to just take one today. I have MUCH experiance with this. We must stay clean at all costs!

[joey25]

Well I am 24 years old and have been popping painkillers on and off for about the last 6 years.  But I never ever really became physically addicted because they were very hard to find and I only popped them when i could get my hands on them.  That was until about 2 years ago. I found a steady source, and have been eating like 10 - 12 lorcets or percocets a day, and then I found oxycontins about 6 months ago. Ever since I have been taking them. Im really sick of the way I have become so I just decided to go cold turkey and just say **** it!

[joey25]

By the way Chad, its me Joel, incase you didnt know.  I tried calling you this morning to thank you and let you know how everything was going, but I didnt get an answer.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

I know it is you! I was probably sleeping thats why I didn't awnser. I am very proud of you! Keep going and remember to try and start going to meetings. There is one every night and I will let you know when they are. Keep me posted.......

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Sorry to interrupt Joel but I have a very important question. I just wanted to ask a question concerning NA....
like I said before, I haven't been to a meeting in a couple of weeks. I was going to go to one tonight so I called up a guy I knew from my local meetings. He told me that he had something to say. He said that all of the people in my group talk about the fact that me and Deb attend meetings together. He said that everyone feels that we are not serious about our recovery. He also said that we can not open up because we are in fact there together. I say BULLSHIT! I am so ******* mad right now it ain't even funny. Who the **** are they to trash the way I do things? If one of the main goals of NA is to stay clean then why trash a process that is working? Why should I care about what they think of my personal life? I am there for the benifit of myself and Deb. If they don't like the fact that Deb and I are there for each other then **** them! Oh man, am I pissed off! Do any of you guys have any suggestions on how I should deal with this situation? Thanks for reading.....Chad

Oh yeah and Joel if you are reading this....Don't let this scare you away from NA...they have in fact helped us very much...I just have to deal with this little issue

[shane]

Hello Joey, your statements were very disturbing to me because I (and probably most of the others on this sight)was  right were you are now. THe first time I quit cold turkey from Norco, It wasn,t sooo bad. That thought let me right back in about one week! 60 hrs. isn't even getting started. you will most likely have weeks of on and off mental and physical urgings. IT won,t leave you that easy. Please be very aware and get some support. Every time you start it gets harder and harde to stop and the withdrawals get much worse. This is FACT. Read this Forome. I went through living HELL with this ****! IF you don't stop you will to. I hope this can somehow save you much trouble down the road. Stay with it and stop now. I wish you the best. Keep posting  Shane

[joey25]

No, I realize that the mental cravings will be there, maybe forever who knows.  And I know that I will use again.  I know that sounds awful, but I love that high too much.  But my goal in the future is too limit to a one night a weeknd thing.  I hope to stay clean for the next month or so, and then maybe do it once a weekend.  I know you all will jump at that idea and say boooo, but I really enjoy that feeling too much to never do it again in my hwole life. But in response to the 60 hours and feeling better, well now it is it 65 but I am just talking about that sick awful feeling where I cant eat, sleep,  and have that awful uncomfortableness, the sweats and so on.  I just was able to down a big meal, which has always been the sign, for me atleast, that I'm just about out of the woods from the physical withdrawal.  Granted I may feel a little run down or tired for the next month or so, but I was merely talkihg about that awful withdrawal that you all know about all to well.

[cindi]

Hi Chad,   I was just reading your post re: you and Debra going to the same meetings...I think this may have been handled in a very poor way...OK  Please, don't take offense to this  think about it before getting angry with me also....but do you remember when you first got out of rehab I think it was me and spook that talked to you about you and deb...I told you that in the first year of recovery a relationship was frowned upon mainly becuase you should be focused on nothing but yourself and your recovery..UNLESS AND I REPEAT UNLESS YOU WERE ALREADY IN A RELATIONSHIP WHEN YOU GOT INTO RECOVERY by no means did I ever tell you to get out of the relationship,,,what I did tell you was to please be careful....whether you are living together, dating or married, relationships can be very tricky....for several reasons shich I won't get into now...but do youremember me asking you if you and deb go o the same meetings, when you go to discussions to you go into different groups,  do you have a sponsor and other MEN in your support group and the same goes for Debra.  I met my husband in recovery and even though when we frist got toether we couldn't get enough of each other we had to be together 24/7 except when we were working we found that the best thing to do was to go to different meetings even though I didn't want to go without him I did, and when we did go together we sat in sifferent groups...the important thing is that you and she allow each other the time to work on your recoveries seperate, you and she develop your own suport systems,,, men with  men women with women...all though you and her can and probably do support each other  some issues may came up that the two of you cannot help each other with, some issues that men uno derstand and vice versa....another big issue in relationships is the issue of relapse  if and when partner should start using agin the other may inevitabley do so as well...or if not, the one that is not using may be so wrapped up in "saving her or her partner that it interferes with his own recovery...which leads me to one more issue,   you each need to work YOUR OWN PROGRAM  which sometimes can be very difficult for us....I remember people always telling me to worry about me and let Doug work his own program and I used to insist his way was wrong......sometimes his issues used to make me really upset and in reality I had no business interfering with his issues...I had my own to be working on...Those people that said you and deb not being  really serious about recovery had ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS talking that **** and TAKING YOUR INVENTORY!!!   so where is their recovery?  obviously focused on YOUR reovery..do you really give a rat's ass about what  they say?  if you worry so much about what people are saying then you my dear one are losing site of your program....when you worry about what someone else says or does you are allowing them to live in your head  rent free.     obviously they must not have anything better to talk about...but they may not feel that they are doing anyting wrong,  fact is thay may really be concerned about you and deb and are just approaching it the wrong way...what if your sponsor had came to you and said,,Hey Chad, I would really like to talk to you about something and then in a more tactful way discussed his concerns about you,  with you...then would you have become so angry... I realize you are young and when I was your age I had the exact same attitude as you,  what the **** business is it of theirs what I do with my life yada yada yada..and get so angry with people trying give me advice...Chad,  honey, you have got to calm down and not be so aggitated and angry.....these people are truly not worth it and if you let these people bring you down then you in turn put your own recovery in jeopardy....BY WORRYING ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING..THEY MY DEAR ONE ARE NOT WORTH IT....does what I am saying to you make sense?  I can tell you love deb very much...but please the both of you have to remember love does not keep us clean...Good luck   love to you and deb  cindi

[Thomas]

I can't defend the way they handled it, but I believe in principle that they are right. No way should you attend the same meetings as your significant other, especially because you used together. You should have heard this from your sponsor, rather than a group (that would have pissed me off, too). Try some meetings on your own and see how it goes. You would get this advice from any 12-step group. It's simply part of the process.

Peace.

[cindi]

LOL  Thomas,,,, this is kinda funny...not Chad's situation but the fact that it took me an entire book to say the same thing you said...in about 4 sentences   LOL  definate difference between between the sexes you think?   or maybe because you are the writer and I'm the wannabe     peace

[shane]

Joey, If you start again after doing that much daily, you will be right back to wear you left off in no time.Believe me I love the high also. I didnt think I could live without it,but I have. I must have tried 20 times  to just do it on weekends or "now and then" but it was always the same story.Back to the same level.   Shane

[nanalynne]

i am trying to help a friend i don't no much about this drug, but i have been trying to help her get off this drug. i went with here to begin her detox and the dr. we saw seemed to know what he was doing. she now wants to go to her appointments alone and i am afraid that she is shooting them up i have real concerns here and i don't know where to go with them.. her mom told her to leave her house as she thought this "detox was just a way for her to get her drug of choice legally". my son has threatened to leave her if she is doing this again but i don't know for sure that she is. i overheard her on the phone talking to someone she used to get them from and i know she was going there. any suggestions on how i handle this

[Thomas]

I used the oldest writer's trick in the world: I let you do all the work and expend all the passion, and then just sent CHAD a synopsis. Don't downplay your comments. Sometimes passion, rather than conciseness, is what someone needs to hear. Many times, it helps to hear both.

Peace to you and yours. I wish you and your significant other success in your individual programs. Hang on to that passion!

[adrian]

hey, my name is adrian, i was addicted to oxycontin for over 1 year. i had gotten to the point where i was snorting 6 80mg tablets a day. and i was also taking dectramathorphyn as a booster. I was put on this for a crushed heel that I had 2 years ago, this injury could not be repaired. so painkillers was my only option. my problem got so bad that i had to do six pills a day just to be normal. at the end i made it 24hrs without a pill, and i thought i was going to die or seize up. my stomach and bowels were tore up, cold sweats, and extreme nerviousness were my main withdrawl symptoms. My detox was the worst time of my life, i felt as though i was all alone in the world, so if you are out there and are having this same problem, please hang on and know that there is a light at the end of the tunnel. there is a lot more to this story but i will talk more on it later.

i really wish that someone would come up with something that would help with the withdrawl pains, (home remedy or something)

please e-mail me with questions at ***@****.

thank you all for your time

adrian

[Thomas]

I agree with shane's comments. While I tried it, I never got strung out on oxy, but I was addicted to Vicodin for, oh, maybe 10 years running. Any time I "got clean," it took literally one dose to put me physically and psychologically back to square one.

There's a text in AA that, in part, goes, "many of us tried to drink like gentlemen ..." Trying to casually use oxycontin after being addicted to it is the same folly. 'Wish it wasn't true - I love that high too, damnit!

[Thomas]

After withdrawing about 100 times from a 50-75 vicodin per day habit, I found the lots of benzos like Valium, together with lots of hot baths/jacuzzis, Imodium (immodium) for the runs and any light aerobic exercise you can will yourself to do - even if it's just walking around the block - is about as easy a detox as you're going to find.

As for over the counter solutions, I am recovering from several years of constant Darvon use, and have found spook's advice on L-Tyrosine and B6 to be right on. L-Tyrosine, an amino acid) provides the brain with the "raw material" it needs to replenish its stores of endorphins and norepinephrin (SP?). It is my understanding that the brain adjusts to all the artificial endorphins it's getting from the narcotics by ceasing or reducing its own production of endorphins. When the narcotics are cut off, it's the lack of endorphins that is responsible for most of the horrors of withdrawal.

spook recommends 4000mg (four thousand mgs) of L-Tyrosine with around 200 mg of B6 on an empty stomach every other day to help the brain restore these vital neurotransmitters.

I've been on it for more than a month and it flat works! (don't drink any coffee with this stuff, though!). My recovery is still based in AA, but the L-Tyrosine and B6 "jolt" every other morning has made many aspects of my recovery amazingly easy. That's not to say that there's magic in this stuff, I still have to go to meetings to try to get to the root cause of why I want to use so much. But it helps to be able to spend 15 bucks in a health food store and notice real progress literally on the first dose.

[adrian]

thanks thomas, i have been clean for over 7mos, i am glad that someone like you will give a kinda home remedy to take the edge off of withdrawl,the fear of running out of meds was the horror of it all, and the stomach cramps were incredible, i just hope i can help someone with the support aspect of getting off of OXY. this stuff is bad, but i am sure that there are people who do not abuse it, and it works fine for them, as for me i cant take it without abusing it...
e-mail me and keep in touch. i am creating a web site with my incredible story of oxy addiction (legally??????)

thank you  Adrian

[adrian]

goodnight everybody, i will check forum tommorrow, to see any replies to adrian.

GOD BLESS: adrian

[Pixie]

Why do you advise not drinking coffe while on the L-tyrosine?
I'm curious because I drink coffe every morning, and I know I will sooner or later be detoxing from the Vicodin. I still take it now-chronic pain patient you know. My truest wish is to stop today, but I fear not only withdrawals, but unmanageable pain every day. The pain is what sends me back crying for more every time. Damn, I didn't ask for this..
P

[Thomas]

Don't use regular coffee with caffeine (de-calf is fine) because the 4000 mg L-Tyrosine gives you a jolt you won't soon forget. One of the neurotransmitters L-Tyrosine helps replenish is norepinephrin, which is responsible for mental alertness and ambition. Try 4000 mg once, wait at least one hour before you eat, and you'll be glad you didn't add caffeine to that mix. You'll be as "wired" as you want to get with the L-Tyrosine.

[cindi]

YEAH, BUT YOUR POSTS ARE ALWAYS SO INFORMATIVE AND I THINK PEOPLE WILL TEND TO READ IF IN THE POSTS WE GET TO THE POINT LIKE YO DO, I HAVE A BAD HABIT OF JUST LINGEREING,,,AND IT'S NOT CUZ I LIKE TO TYPE IT'S CUZ I LOOOOVE TO TALK...lol     SEE YA LATER   CINDI

[Andy]

I am really sorry to hi jack the fread but I would like to ask a quest. I have posted on this forum before some of you might remember me, I was the one with the severe chronic eye pain.

The pain is now resonably well controlled, I am on a stable dose of Morphine Sulphate, I take 10 mg MST 12 hourly (Controlled release tablets) and 10 mg of oramorph 4 hourly (Imediate release syrup) total of 80 mg of morphine a day.

This may sound stupid but I feel dirty and like i'm in the rong. I don't understand why, the pain is controlled better than it has ever been but I still feel like i'm doing something rong. I am only 18 years old and a lot of people don't understand why i am taking drugs usually taken in the final stages of terminal disease. I also have been told from one of my friends that I really shoundn't take the stuff because it is very adictive.

I also have had friends that I beleive think I am a drug adict already. I would like to have your opinians if possible. Do You beleive I am doing the right thing. Because I really feal like a criminal using drugs although I am not getting high nor want to get high.

Thank you in advance
Andy

[Thomas]

Andy, severe pain is what morphine is for. Your doctor obviously considers your condition severe enough to give you these drugs. Imagine life without any pain relief. Sure, constant use of drugs like morphine will cause you to become habituated to them. That is a natural part of the process. You know you aren't using these drugs to get high. You know what kind of pain you're in. Thank god on your knees for morphine. When the time comes to get off of the drugs, I'm sure your doctor will help you through that in the proper way.

You're a human being in great pain, Andy. There is no cause for guilt. Take the relief and be thankful.

[cindi]

What Tom says is so right on the money, you are only 18 years old, yiu have a whole life ahead of you why live in constant pain when you don't have to if the med allows youto get out and enjoy life like an 18 year old should then do it.  as far as you feeling like a criminal,  well,  you dont have to be a criminal to use drugs..especially if you are using them for legit reasons and you do not owe anybody any explanation as to why you are taking the midication. what you take is between you and your doc....so, chill a little bit and like tom said  thank God for the Morphine,,,,,cindi

[Gene to Joanne]

Andy,  It sounds like the only people who have a problem are those who are telling you that YOU have a problem!
There is NOTHING wrong with what you are doing.  You are extremely lucky to have a doctor who has found a drug regimen that relievs your chronic severe pain.

The fact that you don't get high or want to is a wonderful thing!  Of course your body has become dependent on the morphine due to your regular use.  That's what happens when you ingest opiates or other addictive medicines on a daily basis.  If the time comes when you want to get off opiates, then I'm sure you & your doctor will figure out a plan to stop them without any discomfort.

By the way, lots of medicines are addictive.  I take Paxil, an anti depressant, every day.  I cannot juststop taking them.  I have to taper off of them otherwise I will go through withdrawal.   That's just the way it is.   So don't let others, no matter how good their intentions might be, mess up your head or life with uninformed statements.

Best of luck to you,

Gene

[spook]

Nobody ever helped me get off drugs,I found that to my astonishment ,it was my life and my problem,I suffered for most of my life and always used to take drugs to stop the pain and the pain was emotional,caused by the fact that nobody gave a damn about me.(especially girls)
So eventually I started to care about myself and now I am doing fine,on the inside I have grown up and feel if anybody had "helpded" me I would now be weaker.
I occasionally use drugs,like a mate dropped over the other weekend and I we had a blast of "H" ,I am in no hurry to run away from my feelings again(good or bad),I am actually very depressed at the moment and could use an antidepressant,but I am going to try to live without chemicals for a while and only use them recreationally for "FUN".
Of my original peer group,the ones who were mothered through their problems are now dead from Heroin "H" OD.
Isn`t Life strange?.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Spooky..."did a blast of H" why? you seem to be doing very well, why keep beating yourself up with the ocasonial "blast"? By the way, when are you going to send me some info on the little elven people? Hang in there man!

Thanks Tom and others for your comment on NA. Cin, I love the long posts! It gives me something to do. I will talk to Deb about the meeting thing. I guess I just have to figure out this whole thing before I start using on a daily basis again. As for right now, I am sick of the fact that my mind tells me I can't enjoy life to the fullest without drugs. I am even debating on the L-Tyrosine today. I did eat a cheeseburger andI wonder if they will still work. Then again, I would like to have that imaginary boost tommorow morning when I wake up. You see how my mind is. I am always trying to make a big deal out of nothing. Oh well, I have just been enformed that we are going to be Bar-B-Qing with the neighbors. Can you feel the excitment? TAlk tonight, Chad

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

I just figured out why you use! Here is the secret...Stop rooting for Philadelphia teams! The Flyers just got blown out 8-1 so there goes the cup! The sixers lost by one point at a game that you watched in person(bad luck) Don't even get me started on the Eagles! Maybe the Phils can break up this loosing straek! You know first place won't last....So! there you have it! You use cause Philly sucks! Maybe you should try another state! I don't know where but I here Buffalo is nice this time of year!

Oh yeah, when you are at the games at the FU center try shouting

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

I just figured out why you use! Here is the secret...Stop rooting for Philadelphia teams! The Flyers just got blown out 8-1 so there goes the cup! The sixers lost by one point at a game that you watched in person(bad luck) Don't even get me started on the Eagles! Maybe the Phils can break up this loosing straek! You know first place won't last....So! there you have it! You use cause Philly sucks! Maybe you should try another state! I don't know where but I here Buffalo is nice this time of year!

Oh yeah, when you are at the games at the FU center try shouting LICK SHOTS! LICK SHOTS! at Iverson....He should know what I mean!

[joey25]

LICK SHOTS.....  I just love rollin around in the ghetto for the fun of it, dont you?

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

Shhhhhhhhh! these people will think we are up to something! Anyway I heard that true lick-shots are yellow. The ones the ghetto scum had were purple. Thank god we are drug free and don't have to worry about that **** right!?!

[joey25]

You know it bro.

[Francoise]

Legal use of oxycontin doesn't, as implied further up this thread, make dependance on it any easier to deal with. I've been on 200 mg/day for over two years for a broken back, pelvis, heel, and several other bones. I sincerely believe that if I ran out of this med, I wouldn't get six hours past the last missed dose before I would "off" myself. It's damn scary knowing that.

All of your posts in support of my situation are helpful, and especially those of Thomas. Many, many thanks.

Hopefully, if there's ever a method developed to help me deal with the chronic pain, there will also be at that time a way to get off this medication without having to go through the horrors of opiate withdrawal. So far as I know, that's just a dream right now - unless one is lucky enough to affort ibogaine treatment.

Francoise

[spook]

Anyway I heard that true lick-shots are yellow. The ones the ghetto scum had were purple. Thank god we are drug free and don't have to worry about that **** right!?!nmmm Nacho`s.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

You are very good at using the copy/paste feature!
Nachos are not as good at pretzel bites...Did you see the movie BLOW.......Do they even have movies (real movies) in your home land?           George Jung

[spook]

We get all the movies you see in America,only difference is we have to wait a couple of months,in fact if we closed down the American Military Facilities Here(Southern Hemisphere Satellite base stations) you would have the Chinese up your arse so Quick you would not have time to Press the BUTTON,get it???.

[CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!]

in fact if we closed down the American Military Facilities Here(Southern Hemisphere Satellite base stations) you would have the Chinese up your arse so Quick you would not have time to Press the BUTTON,get it???.

Rest easy tonight my friend..........our forces are protecting your dry little country!

We need you guys! Your kangaroo's and Kuwla bears are way to cute to let any harm come your way...

[shane]

I've Been off norco for one full month now and my doc say"s I can take Ultram without fear of relaps. I 've heard ultram can be addiction also. whats whit it. I,ve taken it and had very little effect from it. Whats there to ger addicted to? Thanks for any input.

[shane]

I've Been off norco for one full month now and my doc say"s I can take Ultram without fear of relaps. I 've heard ultram can be addiction also. whats whit it. I,ve taken it and had very little effect from it. Whats there to ger addicted to? Thanks for any input.

[shane]

Hello, I've been free of hydro's for one month now and my Doc say's I can take Ultram without fear of relaps. I've heard Ultram was addicting also. I've taken it and felt very little effect from it. Whats there to Get addictid to? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks  Shane

[spook]

[common urban myth?=that their is not much high with ULTRAM BUT it packs a punch on the withdrawal side,when you try to get off it.]
I have not tried it myself but have read many complaints about "ITS" withdrawal symptoms.

[cindi]

they sneak up on you, and when you try to get off of them,,,bam....My sister, several friends and myself have had nothing but a ***** of a time getting of these damn little ultrams..good luck and be careful...PS my sis and my friends are not addicts,  I am the loner here and they still had a hell of a time with the ultram..cindi

[cindi]

I hope you guys are just kidding and really playing nice....Chad???   I told you before to play nice,  you guys shoudl all know  by know I love you all but SPOOKY is close to my heart..chad, you have deb...any way  am I living a sheltered life?  what the hell is a lickshot?  or don't I want to venture there.. I mean If I take the words and make them into two different words...or what?   Love cin

[PS >>>>Annie]

"Oh no, not the Ultram thread resurfacing again."  I think I hate that stuff now.  Yes, it is addictive, but not something you want to go out on a limb for, so you can get over it rather quickly.....I think.

[neenie]

hi have you been getting all the forwarded mail? i just finished reading your mail thanks. i just wanted you to read before i make a dumb move shhh. thanks for the input. love you. did you get my pic? i still don't know how to operate this stupid scanner, i sent one to cindi too hi cin! write to me haven't heard from youloveneenie

[McGill]

Amazing!  You did that much and your withdraw symptoms sound relativly mild.  You are very lucky.  Do not, let one ever slip in your mouth again.  You got this far.  Perhaps next time you would not have gotten off so easily.

[spook]

I did not get any picture,but you know that we have exchanged some emails in last 24hrs.

[Angelica]

.....Has someone told  you lately..."I love you?"  Well, we all do(all us pathetic little screen buddies...lmao). Did you know that even computers have hearts. LOL It's me.  I've changed my name.  explantation: beginning threads.

[spook]

Why yes,actually I am only just getting used to this type of Electronic love,its powerfull stuff,I may get hooked,I realized with a little shock that their are real humans controling the computers,they are a tool,it is like if you look into somebodies eyes and they are wearing glasses do we have to feel distant or like some object separates us?.But how far do us humans want to take this,like soon microphones and cameras will be standard and how will we feel then,vulnerable?,watched?,invaded?,I do not know?,But knowing me I will be self conscious and hide,but why does my body bring me shame,I am attractive!,is it that I am, well,` shy `and feel more comfortable being invisible?.
Why do woman wear makeup?why do men shave?are we vain,where is humanity heading and can I steer it?,Am I a victim of consequence or master of my reality?.
Do idle hands really do the devils work?
Maybe I need some slap in the face from a harsh reality to bring me down to Earth,Angelica have you got the answers,because I know I do.Thing is are not your questions different?
Do you think it is our goal in life to answer our own questions,I asked and I recieved and I will try to give if requested from,but I prefer swimming to walking on water.
Have I unctioned you or annointed my self with a mirage of words?

[Angelica]

......Let me see if I get it???  6:00 a.m. over there?  Is that right.  When do you sleep.  Are you having trouble?
Well, You asked me the question right.  I am still trying to unravel the mystery of "spook."  As for unctioned......not feeling a bit oily....hey that was a joke.  You are tooo serious.  I want to know that you are laughing.  
I sense a wee bit of bitterness in your parable of a post.  I feel that way also, at times.  
This world will never be a paragon, until my Lord returns.  Then there will be a new earth or shall I say Utopia.  
Why must I have to crack the code.   I rather you didn't speak in parables.  The kids are fighting, my stomache is growling, and the laundry is piling up.  I can't crack a code or an egg right now. lol  Email me......we need to discuss your shyness.  
I want to understand.

Your dear friend,
ANNY

[cindi]

Yes, we need to discuss your shyness  but I do sense at least a big broad smile in your e-mails to me, and I feel you opening up to me more....you already know how much I care about you....love cin,,,hey ANNY  er  Angelica,  we gotta get to Australia  we'll get him to open up to us...

[spook]

Cindi In the context of my reply to the other thread do you think "opening up" is a wise expression to use?.(chocolate and honey reply)-sorry cindi-you know what us Aussie Koala`s are like?
Angelica,I am sorry if you have all those hassles I forget sometimes,Tell your husband to fix up the Domestics,doesn`t he know what pain you are in?.
and yes it is 6:54 am,I own my house and do not work,I will have a sleep after looking at the sun come up.
I am purring like a cat,I stalk all night and am going to have some milk in a minute.meow.lick you later.

[Angelica]

.....Hey, You need to tell my husband that lol about the domestics, that is.  Fortunately my pcp has been very generous,and has my pain well under control, and On Friday I see a new "pain dr"...who just happens not to be accepting new patients, but will see me. lol  I'm so delapidated(SP) I guess.  If you'd see me, you wouldn't think anything was wrong w/ me, other than a slight limp......it's a miracle really.
But there is the but.......The damage is very real, and very visible on xray.  
My hubby works day and night, rem. I told you that.  We are building a business, but you could sware he's building an empire....lmao  He takes this very serious, and tries to be considerate where I am concerned, but sticks his head in the sand just like the rest of the family, at times.  My doctor told me to enjoy my leg, today!!!!....You know what he means don't you.  There's limited time on it.
Well, Spook.....you do have it good, and i'm sure you know it.  I here the calgon calling me now.  Nite Nite.

PS>>>>>>I'm not letting you off the hook, I want to know what you meant about the satelite vibes your getting from me....lol
Only vamps stay up all night.....I must be one too. J.j.

[cindi]

YOu are a character...you are tight, after the honey and strawberry thing up above maybe "opening up" was not a good choice...LOL  so you are purring like at cat huh...I used to be able to stay up all night and then go to work but those days are long gone..Hope you have a good one..talk to ya tomorrow  Love cindi

[spook]

Regarding a spooks intuition and when you said ,that "nothing but a limp",I got this flash about where the pale colour was in regard to your body and how it was associated with my image of you and I felt that you have some bone problem,that I already knew because you told me about the operation,but it seems that a lot of your bones are deteriorating and why is your hair changing colour,what is going on.Annie I just do not get it? you just have a hip problem ,is that right? or have you got premature osteoporosus or degenerative bone disorder or bone cancer? of some type.Did you have an accident or is this genetic,did you abuse Opioids and not exercise as that is not good for skeleton.I know its not my business but I remember all the Chronic pain/med problems(current?) and cannot relate it back to what you say.

[Angelica]

Rem: my chronic pain mission......my addy.  You highlighted it.
My hair is changing because of peroxide. lmao  It is still very close to my real color.  Just trying to cover a "few" little greys, which I feel, I am still to young for.
Re:  Status post mult. trauma....Wait I will email you.  This is my blue print here.  I have to stop talking about this here.
hang on.....will explain everything

[Need 2B Free]

Man I can't believe my eyes you all are going through or have gone through what I'm about to go through.  Oxy is the devil!! is there a chat room for this subject? I need to speak to some people very soon about this stuff.  I've only got about 60 pills left and am taking between 6-10 per day chewing them of course. I'm a 37 year old professional and I'm afraid I'm going to lose my job over these dam pills....

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

I'm happy for you that you posted here. Is this the first step you've taken to get into recovery?  I don't know about chat rooms but there is a lot of support here on this forum.  Just open the "door" and come out of the wonderful world of addiction.  There is a life beyond the confines of the pill bottle.  J.B.

[spook]

60 pills left?,Ok get pen and and paper,sit down and work out a geometric(constant ratio reduction) taper schedule for a period over 10 days.Then take a deep breath and tell yourself(no lying though) `you are not turning back`,`you are going to do this`,`no more euphoria`,"I want my soul back",now follow the schedule DO NOT DEVIATE!!.Use Clonidine to titrate Autonomic Nervous System Hyperactivity.
And read about what Ginette used to detox,as these are all natural and easily available items and she is doing very well now.If you check the general thread for her name it will lead you to it,the original question for the thread is posted to "anyone" by Bizzibee?(spelling)

[Need 2B Free]

Thanks for commenting on my problem.  When I tapper do I continue to chew them?? Also, I'm not real swift with a computer how do I find someone who can tell me what I can take over the counter to help with the DT's? The last time I went through this I thought I was going to die. That's the main reason I got more was to just feel better.  I never have felt so weak, tired, sick in my hole life.  Please help me with any info you can.  I can't go to detox my wife would find out and divorce me.  Yes, she has no clue about this addiction.  I am so mad at myself for letting this happen to me.  I never thought I could be addicted to anything.  Man was I wrong. Help, Help, Help
Need 2B Free soon, very soon!!!!!!!!!!

[J.B. to Brian and Vicky]

I'm not sure whether you are using Oxy Contin or Percoset as you've stated that you use oxy.  No, strickly speaking, you should not chew them in any case.  

As far as home remedies for DT's go...be careful!  DT's and seizures are severe medical emergencies that are potentially fatal.  You need to be under medical supervision.  For withdrawals, OTC meds like Immodium(for diahrrea), benadryl and lots of water.  I have used Aleve for let pain, also.  Hot baths will do wonders for you along with some walking.

I hid my own drug problems from my wife for years.  Then one day I suffered a seizure at work and ended up in the Emergency Room and it all came out.  She was very bitter at first but later began to see my problem as a true illness like cancer or diabetes.  Now we have the ability to work on it together which means everything to me.  She has the ability to "talk me down" when I feel the urge "hurt myself" again.  J.B.

[Blueyed_male]

I just stumbled upon this board and it’s breaking my heart. I was a drug addict for most of my adult life. Heroin, methadone, prescription meds, you name it. I know well the trap of pain meds, hustling doctors, having pharmacies "freeze" on you, even prescription forgery.

I remember counting my pills over and over. Working out schedules and trying to remember what happened to them all.

I have been free from the grip of drug addiction for over 12 years now. I saw it devastate my life and everyone around me. Most of my old friends are dead.

Addiction is more than physical. It has emotional and spiritual implications as well.

There is no easy way out. Pain is real. Addiction is worse. Just cause you get the dope from a doc don’t mean it ain't dope.

If you have an addiction problem you should run away from anything you can get hooked on.

If your hooked, tapering off can help -- or not. Support meds like benzodiazepines can help -- or not. The problem is more than your body’s response to addictive substances.

The only thing that’s works is total abstinence. You have to emerge from your addiction, and that takes time, and it takes strength. Strength that you may or may not have.

I went to AA and NA. Helped for a little while.

But it wasn’t until I had a head on collision with God that my life was transformed and I was truly set free.

I've had horrible drug habits. Working 5-6 docs at the same time. I know exactly what you are going through.

The thing is you can be on massive doses of MS or methadone, or just one Vic a day, but your still trapped. Still a prisoner to your addiction.

But God can set you free in a moment. He did it for me, he can do it for you.

[cindi]

What a beautiful post, I went iinto treatment 11 years ago for "polydrug abuse"  getting clean was the easy part, staying clean is a lifetime of hard work and I can't honestly say that i have been abstinent a vic here a vic there, then I see the obsession setting in again....I need to be totally honest with myself where my back injuries are concerned, hell, i can make menstrual cramps feel like I need my demerol..this is why i made the decision to leave my nursing career, that was 6 years ago..i have my 2 kids and my husband to think about and the temptation from being around the drugs  well, i'm sure you can imagine....I do not trust myself...anyway, i just wanted to thank you for posting here and i would really like it if you would stick around as i think we will all benefit from hearing more from you    thank you      God Bless   Love to all    cindi

[Hope]

I agree with Cindy.  What BlueEyed male wrote is so true of all of us drug addicts.  I need to have a head-on collision with God myself, because I think that's the only way I can get off this horrible ride.  Reading about your experiences really helps give me hope that I can get my act together too.  I can really relate about the counting of pills and trying to remember which doctor you need to see and when and how you can make your meds last, etc., etc.  The anxiety is miserable.  I think what I'm finally realizing is how much this addiction has affected my emotional,spiritual, and relational (sp?) life and not
just the physical and financial aspects.  My first motivation to stop using was financial.  Man, I just panic when I think about the situation I've gotten myself into all because of these stupid pills!  When I think about all the money I've spent and the amount of debt I have now, I just can't face it or think about it and so I just want to stay high so I can forget about it and block it out.  I'm on this horrible ride and I want to jump off, but I keep waiting for the "right time" and in the meantime, the ride keeps getting faster and faster and it keeps getting harder and harder to imagine jumping off!  

What I have finally been thinking about lately is how my addiction has effected my relationships.  I have isolated so much.  I go to work and have just the minimal contact with friends and family so they won't know something is wrong.  I have stopped going to church.  I haven't gone since around Thanksgiving of last year and that is really not like me at all!  I'm not a 'holy-roller' or anything, but I have always been comforted by my close relationship with God.  I'm a very spiritual person and I love my church.  I think I'm too ashamed to walk into a Church.... as if God can't see what I'm doing on a daily basis. I'm single and have no children and I've noticed that I haven't even been interested in searching for a significant other since I have fallen in love with drugs.  My relationship with drugs is a love/hate deal.  Oh, how I wish I could get clean and get back to my 'old self' and be able to find someone to share a healthy, happy, drug-free life with!  

Sorry for just rambling.  These were some thoughts and feelings I just needed to share and BlueEyed male's message has given me some things to think about and some hope.  Thank you all for being here and I hope you stay with us BlueEyed, because I want to learn more from you as I have from Cindy and JB and Patrick and the rest....

[cindi]

Thank you Hope for sharing that also,  I need to hear things like that alot  maybe on a daily basis,,,this whole ordeal of addiction is a struggle...a miserable existance...Hope, please don't ever feel ashamed,,, you mentioned you were ashamed to go inot your church....i have strugglld with this disease for a very very long time and have more than my share of guilt, shame, humiliation and degredation....when I was on the news during my arrest (they love to publicly humiliate members of the medical profession  they told me it was to make an example out of me) I felt like it was a public lynching...(sp?)  I was so humiliated I did not want to go to the store, I didn't want my neighbors to see me...my mom, God rest her soul was the one person I never had  to feel ashamed around she told me to hold my head up and look at people in the eyes and never be ashamed of who I was...and do you know she was never ever ashamed of me and her job was a higher up job at the hospital where I did all the damage...she would stop at nothing to defend me.  so please, never be ashamed especially where God is concerned.... who knows, maybe if you returned to church the miracle may begin to happen for you....love to all    cindi

[Need 2B Free]

no oxycontin for 3 days i actually made it out of bed today.  Man do i feel like ****.  never so tired in all my life. how long can i expect this to last?  I'm taking vitamins and drinking tons of water.  Whaat else is there? What is L--tyrosine? sorry shaking hands hard to type good. I love yoiu all for your help peace

[Wizard]

Hang in there! I'm closing day 8... gets better! Light at the end for sure..Look up at some of Thomas' comments to me in above strings... He gives the recipe for L-tyrosine..and  b-6
It works, I;m using it
Power and Magick to you!
God Bless Us all,
Wizard

[Angelica]

My husband has been using the L-tyrosine and B-6.  He said it works, also.  Now, he is not so possessive of my time here at the computer.....he feels I have learned something afterall.  LOL

[bobbientn]

Hi, just found this chat.  Seeking help ASAP, I have a l7 y/o son that has been doing various drugs, i.e. pot, pain pills, drinking and it's getting worse.  Just found a bottle of small blue oval pills I believe to be oxycodone-- have found a few before but never a bottle.  I have tried to talk with him about stopping and looking at himself, he has a older brother who was in rehab X 3 and he always swore he would never be like him.   To me, he's worse, starting everything at a younger age.  He threatens running away if I talk with him about rehab.  I do know that from my experience with my other son, forcing him wasn't the answer but I CAN NOT just DO NOTHING.  From people who have been there, please help me.  I know I can't be clean for him but neither can I enable which is what I feel I am doing by trying to handle things myself.   I'm scared.  He is in denial but I see the signs and we're going downhill FAST.  I have a 6 y/o daughter that loves him so much;  At this time, he's still in high school (11th grade) but only because I have stayed down own him, he has wanted to quite for a long time.  I do not have great feeling toward drug rehab because it is usually short term.   Considering possible placement of a longer time if any available.   HELP ME PLEASE!! Bobbie

[Wizard]

Bobbie, I just read your post and I'm no Pharmicist but all the Oxy's I've seen are very small tiny round pills.differant color for different strengths. What you described sounds like Viagra to me. I've heard it is popular with the youth today for obvious reasons. This dosen't mean I'm right, just my opinion. I think at his age and with your past experiences you need to get some interventionfrom a person that he RESPECTS and might listen too...Peer counseling group maybe? I don't have the answers, just suggestions being a 30 year recovering addict myself. My daughter is a drug abuse counseler at a local Jr. High school. (What an ironic paradox), And she doesn't even know about my problem. I have a 27 year intake family and hid it well. anyway she tells me about her successes with her young peer groups.
Above all, do something.........and pray  a lot!
You will be in my prayers and May God Shine His everlasting Light on your family,
Thomas, Spook, Cindy.any suggestions. This Mother needs Help NOW.
Power & Magick 2 U,
Love Wizard

[cindi]

Hi Bobbie,  I can really empathize with you...man,, my kids are 7 and 3,,,,I worry about this all the time,  what might my husband and I have to deal with when they are older since we are both recovering addicts.....2 strikes against the kids  since they say ii can be inheretid,,at least we have never used in front of the kids.....the blue oval pills..i don't know, geeze there are so many pills out there but oxy's like wizard said are round,,and different colors for different strengths...God only knows with everything out there today....maybe you may want to take one of the pills up to the drugstore and ask your pharmacist,,,I have done this before,,,then maybe you can look for some service for drug and alcohol addiction that deals with adolescents....I know in this part of Ohio we have 2 such places...one is called Belmont Pines..where are you located?  if you are not comfortable talking about that you can e-mail me at ***@**** i can get the number for the belmont pines and you may be able just to talk to them and see what they recommend...Geeze, i wish i could help you more,,,Brighty started coming here to the forum for her daughter but her daughter was not a teenager,,,,does not make it any easier but I was just thinking about any legal issues re: him being a minor..I realize that forcing him is not really the way to go but is there any way that you can have him put somewhere because of his age?  I do that there are options such as rehab which you mentioned you are not to crazy about,  there are 3 quarter way houses, half way houses etc...i don't know....i probably will get blasted for that one  but whatever..I'm sorry i could not be more help....hopefully Bright may be reading a little later on  she is absolutely wonderful and so wise and insightful....Good luck and May God be with you         love cindi

[ssfr]

hi bobbi- dont want to scare you unnecessarily, but i have heard that oxys 160 (called coffin caps locally) come in blue, oval shapes- apparently they are the strongest oxy made- i cant vouch personally, since i havent seen them= but in the local newspaper, there was info about a bust that included  those- they are supposed to be really bad news, unless the patient is undergoing pretty severe pain, like cancer- as someone else pointed out, could be something else, and hopefully it is, but you at least need to know some of the possibilities and not be too complacent about it, if circumstances warrant- goodluck

[kyled]

the blue oxy is a really dark blue large pill, about the size of a...maybe a small pinky toe? lol well what you found in his room could be a xanax "purple football". is there anyway you could post what the pills imprint code is? any and every oxy contin will have the letters "OC" on one side and the number representing the stength on the other (ex: 10-20-40-80-160)if it has that its an oxy, if not..then its not :) so you lucked out on that one you would much rather it be xanax than oxy trust me my email is ***@**** if you wanna contact me -kyle

[jewells]

Hi guys, boy what a forum here. I to am also on oxycontin and have been for about 3 years. Before that it was Vicodin. Anyways, I am prescribed 80mg 4 times a day. But I do run out before my next refil then worry and feel like ****. So I want to try to wean myself off this stuff.The only bad thing is that I have a bad back injury. But this oxy scares me. My question is should I start taking the L-tyrosine (SP) and the B-6 while I am weaning. I can try to take 3 a day and still feel like ****. This sucks. I hate it. I worry everyday about how many pills I have left. I wish I would of never started this medicine. I do not get high off the meds. At all.I just am in pain and that is basically why I take it. But I do admit I could get by with only 4 a day but always seem to take more like 5 or 6 a day. Can anyone give me any advice about how much I should begin weaning myself down to. And if there is a pain med out there I can change to after that isn't so addictive????Thanks and good luck to all of you I know how you are feeling and it sucks...

[susanlea]

I need all of you, all your wisdom, advice and strength. For those of you who know my story.  He called me a few times today, says he wants to come by and give me some money(could have sent it) Wants to come by tomorrow night,  said he'd call first. I know somethings up, some of my friends think it's his way to want and come back. He's the type who would never say he sorry.  Over 2 months now he's been gone, said he didn't love me any more, choose the pills and methadone over us. My kid's are just getting over it. They are finally adjusting to him being gone. They're angry at being abandoned, with no phone calls from him. I don't know what he wants. I can't understand, he sounded so weak, so quiet today. Not his usual anger and hatred. He's living with his parents, I've been told that methadone makes you tired, not awhole lot different than oxy's except you're able to work. I've been told that he probably still has no life. Over the past 1 1/2 he became so distant, reclusive and slept all the time, between withdrawals and refills on his pills. I've been told  people don't change without a program, he's not in one. Just takes the methadone as he wants to. Of course I think once he left here things have changed for him, no more nagging from me. I really don't know. But I did sense something coming. I don't know what I'll say? He may not even say anything, he's not much of a talker unless someone else starts the conversation. Anyway my boundaries are NO PROGRAM, NO REHAB, NO COUNSELING, NO SPONSER< NO ME>  I can't do this again, over and over, He's promised so many times, than abusive once more.....Help me guys, I really need you....Funny thing if he wants pills, I don't have any....I tossed them all, don't need them since I'm on the Patch....Thank you, I won't be able to sleep....Love Susan Lea

[susanlea]

I need all of you, all your wisdom, advice and strength. For those of you who know my story.  He called me a few times today, says he wants to come by and give me some money(could have sent it) Wants to come by tomorrow night,  said he'd call first. I know somethings up, some of my friends think it's his way to want and come back. He's the type who would never say he sorry.  Over 2 months now he's been gone, said he didn't love me any more, choose the pills and methadone over us. My kid's are just getting over it. They are finally adjusting to him being gone. They're angry at being abandoned, with no phone calls from him. I don't know what he wants. I can't understand, he sounded so weak, so quiet today. Not his usual anger and hatred. He's living with his parents, I've been told that methadone makes you tired, not awhole lot different than oxy's except you're able to work. I've been told that he probably still has no life. Over the past 1 1/2 he became so distant, reclusive and slept all the time, between withdrawals and refills on his pills. I've been told  people don't change without a program, he's not in one. Just takes the methadone as he wants to. Of course I think once he left here things have changed for him, no more nagging from me. I really don't know. But I did sense something coming. I don't know what I'll say? He may not even say anything, he's not much of a talker unless someone else starts the conversation. Anyway my boundaries are NO PROGRAM, NO REHAB, NO COUNSELING, NO SPONSER< NO ME>  I can't do this again, over and over, He's promised so many times, than abusive once more.....Help me guys, I really need you....Funny thing if he wants pills, I don't have any....I tossed them all, don't need them since I'm on the Patch....Thank you, I won't be able to sleep....Love Susan Lea

[susanlea]

I need all of you, all your wisdom, advice and strength. For those of you who know my story.  He called me a few times today, says he wants to come by and give me some money(could have sent it) Wants to come by tomorrow night,  said he'd call first. I know somethings up, some of my friends think it's his way to want and come back. He's the type who would never say he sorry.  Over 2 months now he's been gone, said he didn't love me any more, choose the pills and methadone over us. My kid's are just getting over it. They are finally adjusting to him being gone. They're angry at being abandoned, with no phone calls from him. I don't know what he wants. I can't understand, he sounded so weak, so quiet today. Not his usual anger and hatred. He's living with his parents, I've been told that methadone makes you tired, not awhole lot different than oxy's except you're able to work. I've been told that he probably still has no life. Over the past 1 1/2 he became so distant, reclusive and slept all the time, between withdrawals and refills on his pills. I've been told  people don't change without a program, he's not in one. Just takes the methadone as he wants to. Of course I think once he left here things have changed for him, no more nagging from me. I really don't know. But I did sense something coming. I don't know what I'll say? He may not even say anything, he's not much of a talker unless someone else starts the conversation. Anyway my boundaries are NO PROGRAM, NO REHAB, NO COUNSELING, NO SPONSER< NO ME>  I can't do this again, over and over, He's promised so many times, than abusive once more.....Help me guys, I really need you....Funny thing if he wants pills, I don't have any....I tossed them all, don't need them since I'm on the Patch....Thank you, I won't be able to sleep....Love Susan Lea

[susanlea]

I need all of you, all your wisdom, advice and strength. For those of you who know my story.  He called me a few times today, says he wants to come by and give me some money(could have sent it) Wants to come by tomorrow night,  said he'd call first. I know somethings up, some of my friends think it's his way to want and come back. He's the type who would never say he sorry.  Over 2 months now he's been gone, said he didn't love me any more, choose the pills and methadone over us. My kid's are just getting over it. They are finally adjusting to him being gone. They're angry at being abandoned, with no phone calls from him. I don't know what he wants. I can't understand, he sounded so weak, so quiet today. Not his usual anger and hatred. He's living with his parents, I've been told that methadone makes you tired, not awhole lot different than oxy's except you're able to work. I've been told that he probably still has no life. Over the past 1 1/2 he became so distant, reclusive and slept all the time, between withdrawals and refills on his pills. I've been told  people don't change without a program, he's not in one. Just takes the methadone as he wants to. Of course I think once he left here things have changed for him, no more nagging from me. I really don't know. But I did sense something coming. I don't know what I'll say? He may not even say anything, he's not much of a talker unless someone else starts the conversation. Anyway my boundaries are NO PROGRAM, NO REHAB, NO COUNSELING, NO SPONSER< NO ME>  I can't do this again, over and over, He's promised so many times, than abusive once more.....Help me guys, I really need you....Funny thing if he wants pills, I don't have any....I tossed them all, don't need them since I'm on the Patch....Thank you, I won't be able to sleep....Love Susan Lea

[susanlea]

I need all of you, all your wisdom, advice and strength. For those of you who know my story.  He called me a few times today, says he wants to come by and give me some money(could have sent it) Wants to come by tomorrow night,  said he'd call first. I know somethings up, some of my friends think it's his way to want and come back. He's the type who would never say he sorry.  Over 2 months now he's been gone, said he didn't love me any more, choose the pills and methadone over us. My kid's are just getting over it. They are finally adjusting to him being gone. They're angry at being abandoned, with no phone calls from him. I don't know what he wants. I can't understand, he sounded so weak, so quiet today. Not his usual anger and hatred. He's living with his parents, I've been told that methadone makes you tired, not awhole lot different than oxy's except you're able to work. I've been told that he probably still has no life. Over the past 1 1/2 he became so distant, reclusive and slept all the time, between withdrawals and refills on his pills. I've been told  people don't change without a program, he's not in one. Just takes the methadone as he wants to. Of course I think once he left here things have changed for him, no more nagging from me. I really don't know. But I did sense something coming. I don't know what I'll say? He may not even say anything, he's not much of a talker unless someone else starts the conversation. Anyway my boundaries are NO PROGRAM, NO REHAB, NO COUNSELING, NO SPONSER< NO ME>  I can't do this again, over and over, He's promised so many times, than abusive once more.....Help me guys, I really need you....Funny thing if he wants pills, I don't have any....I tossed them all, don't need them since I'm on the Patch....Thank you, I won't be able to sleep....Love Susan Lea

[Angelica]

I have a post for you under the anyone thread......
It's funny, but you haven't even read my reply, and it looks like you did.  You've got your head on pretty straight.  Your making the right decision.  Action speaks louder than words.

[Wizard]

LOL, the Wiz says ditto to Angelicas above reply...see our posts above :-) it DOES look like you already read them!
much luck and love to you!
Power & Magick 2U,
Wiz

[jewells]

Could anyone help me here please??Should I take the ltrysoine, i know i spelled it wrong and the B6 while weanin myself down? Or what do you guys suggest...If i only take 3 instead of the recomended 4 then i start getting all sweaty and feeling like ****. I need to get off these but then I don't know what I will do with my back injury pain....god you can't win....can you??please i'd appreciate anyones advice..i can relate to all of you and wish the best for you all to....***S**

[jesus]

hello you people make me sick how dare you talk bad about oxy cottins. my mother was an oxy cottin. I love oxy cottins nothing in the world has ever been better than oxy cottins not perks not vicodens not even methodone itself could even compare to an oxy cottin you people think your so smoothe degrading oxy cottins poor defensless oxy cottins  I bet you didn't think you were so bad when you were poppin them did you all you people are is a bunch of freakin quitters you probably never stick with anything they were okay when you needed them I bet they were always there for you comforting you in your time of need but where are you when they need you to defend them huh huh you should think about what you  are saying shame on you i'm 68 years old and still love chewin them almost every day of the week 80 mgs for only 20 dollars my pension checks are well spent if you ask meand think about the sweet feeling when you smoke on them that's where my social security money goes. consider yourself lucky when i was a boy all we had was aspirin and some coffee when i grew up on the farm I would chew manure as a gum. that's what we had so next time you say oxy's are the devil think about what I had to chew.

[Wizard]

Welcome to the forum. By the tone of your post it seems to me that you are still chewing that gum of your childhood. I will pray for you to not be so FULL of that GUM. Peace to you brother.
Power & Magick 2 U,
Wizard

[cindi]

Like Wizard said and very eloquently I might add, welcome to the forum,,(hi wiz,,) I'm glad the oxy;s are helping you...and I hope you never ever have to experience the unpleasantries they have to offer if you should ever decide to quit chewing them,,which by the way is  not the proper route this drug should be taken...they were not meant to be crushed,  chewed, shot up or snorted...so I can see why you love them as you do,,,,cuz you are getting high off them,,,,and when we are getting high and when we love our drugs we will go to the ends of the earth to defend them as you do...we here on this forum unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you choose to view things have found both the good and the bad in various drugs...we also have seen the ravages of denial....good luck to you my friend   party on

[Wizard]

Hi Cin, thank you for following the above in such a educated lady like manner! Welcome back again, I keep telling myself that I'm gonna write to cin next and I keep getting sidetracked! SOOOOOOOOOO Dorothy, I'm really curious to see where this string is gonna lead us LOL. On a serious note it REALLY isn't funny...so much pain, so much waste.Glad to have you back. Are ALL of your e-addresses up and running? I want to send you card if I can ever get around to it. LOL Atcha later Lady,
Power & Magick 2 U,
luv Wiz

[cindi]

hey,, Dorothy here...didn't get much a chance to post today   I ran around like a fool yesterday   and today my son is pretty sick  long story but it is nothing that a hefty dose of amoxicillin won't cure,  on my way to get him some more motrin   i get so nervous when my kids are sick.....lets just sit back and watch this all unfold......interesting    love to all   cin

[The Guitar Man]

I'm in the music industry and have been on pain pills on and off for over 10 years and recently started taking OC's.
I've tried to quite and have seen friends like Kurt Cobain who I knew very well drop of the face of the earth.
I feel very depressed when I try to stop but I do believe in God but I just haven't hit rock bottom yet.
My life is going so well and the money is pouring in.  I wish I would hit a brick wall sooner than later.

Any suggestions would be helpful.

The Guitar Man

[Ga Guy]

The brick wall you hit very well may be your own tombstone. You know you have a problem. Take some of that money and go into a 30 day rehab facility. they always say that you have to hit bottom first. The problem is that many people die before they hit the proverbial bottom. You know what you have to do. There is no magic answer. You can read your own post and answer every question you've asked.

[BonnieAnn]

Hello and Welcome!

I would like to talk with you.

Mind if I suggest something? If you hit the back button you can go to the upper left hand corner of the page and hit "post a question". Then you can start a question of your own. This particular thread is from 6 years ago and it is hard to get to where your question is. I just want to make sure that people see your question and they will then respond to it. Please try it.

Hope to see you out there soon.

[The Guitar Man]

I appreciate you comment but I don't have time to go to rehad and don't want to hang around people with the same struggle.

I know I sound pathetic but I had a mother that was an alcholic and I went to all of her meeting and ALAON. I think that's how you say it but anyways the meeting made me think of doing more pills because it was all we discussed.

I know I kind of popped in the middle of your threads and I'm sorry.

TGM

[The Guitar Man]

Hi BonnisAnn,

I'm sorry to cut in for I am not use to any on-line chatting.
I just don't know what to expect if I decide to stop cold turkey.

Sometimes my stomic hurts when I taper off alittle and I always wonder if have done some permanent damage to any part of my body.Ya know?

Will I feel normal again if I ever get off this stuff?

TGM

[jacob857]

im 24 years old and im addicted to oxycotton .i snort 400 mg a day for the past 6 years and really messed up .i dont get high anymore i have to do them just to be normal and if i dont have them i feel like i am going to die .i wish i havent ever did them ,i tried going cold turkey but i might have lasted a day .the  pain was so badd in my legs i wish i could cut them off and i was so sick ,no sleep ,couldnt eat ,couldnt move so consider yourself lucky but if i was you i would stop doing them while you still can before it gets to late.

[jacob857]

my name is jacob im 24 and im addicted to oxycotton .the past 6 years and i snorted 400 mg of oxy everyday and now im just a mess .the sickness is horrible and none of my family members understand what im going threw they just keep sayin stop but i cant .when i dont have my fix i feel like i am going to die ,my legs hurt that much i cant stand it ,cant eat ,cant sleep ,so does any one know what i could do to stop the pians in my legs  

[Bengalvfan]

My name is Dan I am 30 years old. I have been taking oxy's (20mg 3 times a day) for 2 and 1/2 monts now because I was in a very serious car accident. All of my bones below my waist on both legs were broken. On my left leg below my knee has multible breaks and I now have to wear a Taylor Spatial Fram around my left leg. I have 24 pins going through my leg. They also had to take a muscle off  my back to place over a wound on my left leg, and then a skin graph over top of that.

Anyways, I talked to my doctor yesterday about only having about 5 days of oxy's left. He asked me if I could go without now and I said I would try and keep my 5 days supply just incase I had more pain. I made it about 30 hours without and had a very hard time with it. Over night I went through 3 shirts because I kept getting so sweaty. I had some pain in my back but I wanted to keep oxy's out of my body.

I couldnt get out of bed this morning and had to have another one. At 9:30am (30 hours later) I took 20mg. At 1030am I started to feel better. I know I am going to need alot of help to get off of these pills.

Are there any meds my doctor can get me to get me off of these?

Dan

[cattalina]

Hi Dan - Have you spoken to your doctor about tapering you off the oxy?  That's normally the standard with pain meds like oc.  There are a couple of other options, but that may be the best to consider right now as many other medications have drawbacks.  Try re-posting (green button at the top of screen) you'll probably get more responses that way.  Hang in there & stick around!