Oxycontin addiction methadone to detox

[ferretgirl]

My husband is currently in a detox/rehab facility for oxycontin abuse.  My question is, that they are using Methadone to detox him, supposedly to "save" him from going thru the withdrawl symptoms.  But, from everything I'm reading the methadone is just as hard to get off of, and some people end up on it for years...........

Should they be using Methadone to detox him, and will he have to continue taking the Methadone once he is home?

[pammy0690]

I agree with you completely.  Labels are created out of judgement not care and concern.  What you wrote is part of my personal code of ethics; not to label be labeled. Every situation is different and it is important not to make assumtions.  Thanks Doc for being here with us and being a straight shooter.  You are a godsned and even those of us who have been on this board a little while are still learning a great deal of new information from you.  Please do not ever leave us!  Pammy

[AmberHunter]

i agree with pammy, after i read your response doc i cut and pasted it and emailed it to my husband and my mother.

as you might have read, i spent 8 years clean in NA and it is just second nature to call myself an "addict" it is a habit i am trying to break, along with calling it a "disease" i think you once called "addiction" a "maladaptive behavior" and i have hung onto that since i read it. i am NOT powerless and there is NOT some big male GOD in the sky that is going to save me from myself... uh uh... nope...

this board is teaching me new ways to look at an old problem and i am so grateful for the opportunity to share parts of myself with the other HUMAN BEINGS here!

thank you,
love,
amber

[pammy0690]

You are not a label hon, you are a great manys things.  I guess that is one of the many problems I have with NA and AA.  But I think you have said before you have the teachings of NA and AA with you all the time.  You do have power over your actions and you can hold yourself accountable.  Amber I am so happy that you are here.  You can email me anytime ***@****.  Pammy

[RobynBanks]

Hey, You just labelled the Doc ("#1 Doc") LOL!!!!.......the doctor had some very relavent and helpful info to share, that's all. Its an ingrained habit we all have- comes from our North American culture.
Take care & have a great day.
Robyn

[mrmichael67]

I would imagine your husband is going to be using methadone for a very short period of time if they are using it to detox him.  I lot of detoxes keep them five days to a week and let them go.  Some use it for up to three weeks or six months.  If it is confined into a one month period, your husband should have no problem with it.  Methadone does not instantly make you dependent on it.  It can be a very useful tool to make withdrawal off of something like oxy much more comfortable.  The bottom line is it is not necessary to suffer through a miserable withdrawal.  I am not saying he will get off scott free.  But, it is way better than going cold turkey.  And, depending on his health and general physical condition, it can be much safer.

[Erika_Ann]

Hello- I always read your posts and would love to get feedback from you., Im a 31 y/o female with rhematoid arthritis and fibromyalgia. I bought some ultram online and got it today. 90 pills. Whats the max amount I should take do u think? I know your not a doc but you always have such good answers and suggestions for people. I appreciate any information you can give me or advice. thank you sweetie!
Luv
Erika

[suzieneedshelp]

Any method that keeps an addict clean should prolly be condoned by another.  For me...I am a recovering addict.  Addiction is not cureable..is wut i have been told and i believe the AMA agrees.  I will listen to advice from other recovering addicts who have been clean for years and years.  Labels are not important to me.  In fact i am truley grateful to be an addict.. even though that sounds nuts...becasue without my disease i would never have gotten to the place i am now in my spiritual growth. I chose to separate myself from my disease.  I AM NOT A DISEASE.  I am Suzanne, a good person who has a malady that CAN WARP MY MIND AS IT HAS DONE FOR YEARS.  nOW I AM LEARNING HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS DISEASE'S EFFECT on my mind and how to really deal with life on life's terms without the use of alcohol or drugs to numb me and being my only tool to "cope" with life's problems and joys .. for the first time in my life.  I am set free...oh yeah.. only one day at a time...
I love ya'lll!
Thx for listening to my rambling...
Suzie

[theGolden1]

As long as we have language, we will have labels. It is foolish to think we will never name anything again. It is an important part of our tribal mentality, our need to belong.  It is not dehumanizing. It is honest and that's a good place to come from. Another thing ... I don't know what kind of AA or NA meetings we are talking about here, but it is against policy to "call" anyone an alcoholic or addict. It is up to the individual to decide if he or she is such and if they chose to do so, can own up to it at the meetings. We cannot take another persons inventory. If the shoe fits, wear it! I have never seen any member of AA or NA label anyone else. And let's face it folks ... if it walks like a duck, if it talks like a duck .... IT'S A DUCK!! The program is a very effective technique for getting straight, an endeavor that is a lifetime committment. I would like to see the same success from ANYWHERE else that we have seen from the 12 step program. I have have seen so many people helped through this program .... it cannot not be denied. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but the truth is the truth ..... Goldie

[mrmichael67]

There is no question AA/NA has helped many people.  But, they do both enjoy a very high failure rate.  That, along with a family member being sober for eleven years now without the program, leads me to believe AA/NA is not the only way.  I know of someone who was chastised by her sponsor for not announcing to everyone she is an alcoholic when addressing the meeting.  And at any meeting I attended, that was the protocol.  I have never been to NA, but I would imagine it to be along the same lines.

[AmberHunter]

wow, saturday morning, just got to work and all this input on labels and NA/AA. good stuff was posted.

michael, i appreciate what you said about the "failure" rate in NA/AA. i look at my eight years clean as having been very successful in the program. i do give NA the credit for giving me the tools that i used to stay clean for that long. BUT (always a but huh?!) i do not believe that NA or SOS or anything else is the ONLY way. it just isn't. and it is a shame to go into a twelve step program and be indoctrinated with the idea that if you don't stay clean or sober then you aren't "working the program" bullshit... working the program doesn't always mean that you will be able to maintain long term clean time or sobriety. i will leave it at that guys, this is just MY opinion to which i am entitled to.

to the person who asked about taking ultram. girl, email me! ***@**** and lets talk!!! this morning i was in the shower and i was enjoying the hot water pounding on my lower back and i was thinking about ultram... for a minute i thought, you know, maybe ultram would work... and then i remembered the two weeks i was on it and taking a responsible dose and not abusing it at all and then i thought about the three days of pretty crappy withdrawl! bad RLS, couldn't sleep... and this was taking a pretty minimal dose! i can only imagine what it would be like to withdraw from a large dose...

i want to go into how i feel about chronic pain and pain meds but i have taken up enough room!

peace,

amber

[Erika_Ann]

Thank you so much. I need you right now and I thought you didnt like me or something cause ive tried to leave you a few posts and you never respond. I was happy to see that you did. I will be out of town until monday night so i will email you then,  I appreicate your kind words and support. I really need it right now. I feel as though im going down the wrong path and fast/.
luv
erika

[Thomas03]

boy, what a change there's been in you, my friend! Your lucid and hopeful now. I couldn't be happier for you. You've obviously found a will and a way. Stick with it!

Thomas

[theGolden1]

Eight years in the program and you are under the impression that you must believe in a "male God in the sky"?? Maybe I better re-read the steps and the traditions, but I thought this was also every person's individual choice. The "God" of their understanding. The group conscience, the great white spirit .... what ever. A power greater than ourselves. A power outside of ourselves. Nothing was ever mentioned about the gender of your higher power. People do make mistakes so maybe you were misinformed, but there is no such thing in NA ...

[suzieneedshelp]

I do believe that there is NOT only one way to get or stay  clean. BUT...Wutever method one uses it is necessary to commit to it 100%...this disease is cunning baffling and poweRful.  I will trust the advice of those who haveused ANY program to stay clean for years and years...as long as they are clean workin their program.. wutever it is.
Ty Thomas..you dear sweetheart!  But i have sooo much to grow.  Now though i am able to be happy despite the fact that i have no job, no home, no money left, etc.  due to this disease.  
But grateful yes grateful i am that i have this disease...
  (used to be miserably insane, now only happily insane!)
Love ya'll...Greatful to have you here to share and learn with!
Suzie

[Thomas050]

To comment on the AA/NA comments.
Many addicts, though they have tried *many* times, just can't quit using on their own. (and some of you here know that drill all to well). Those programs are simply there to offer those people help and support. That's all, take it or leave it. Without statistics, and without truly knowing, I would bet that those programs have helped thousands more people than they have not helped. So, no not for everyone, but some find sobriety with their help. So to me, no matter how you slice it, they are good to have around.

As for opiate addiction, I do not believe it is in the same boat as aclohol addiction. As I learned at the methadone clinic with my g/f, after several years on an opiate, it is not simply just a matter of saying OK, I don't want to do this anymore and then just stop. There is a big chemical change in the brain, opiate receptors, etc. I can't explain it great, but that's the deal.

Which brings me to the second part of the original post...
  In cases of extreme opiate addiction (using a significant quantity for a very prolonged period of time) they do use methadone as a treatment (there are methadone clinics all over that are doing this). However, as I learned with my g/f, methadone is highly addictive, or if you would rather say - the body becomes very dependent on it. After 3 years of self research, I learned in most cases, it becomes a maintenance drug, rather than a detox drug - because it is that difficult to get off of. So those seeking to end their current opiate addiction, may want to think twice about going on methadone. It is not *necessarily* a detox program. There is no right or wrong, for some, it is the best solution. But just please know that side of it, that's all. My g/f and I didn't and she is now going to be on this stuff forever (she tried to detox several times, even as slow as 1 millogram every two weeks, and she CAN NOT do it. It's amazing the hold that stuff has on a person, I am utterly amazed). Not exactly what we were thinking when we went into it. Just an FYI.

-T050

[mrmichael67]

Your girlfriend tried to start detoxing after 7 MONTHS.  The longest detox program that I heard of is six months.  That is not a good plan for using methadone to detox off of another opioid.  No wonder that happened.  Not a good example.  I am truly sorry that happened.  That is not the way to do it, though.  I certainly don't condone what happened to her.  Total mismanagement.  Seven months is a LONG time to use methadone to detox off of another opioid.  Way too long.

[Thomas050]

Hi mrmichael,
yea, it was supposed to be 4 months, but at 4 months we were moving and the counselor thought it best not to do it during that time. Then after that she was trying to find a job, so in the clinics eyes she was not 'stable', and thus not a good time to detox.

Thanks for your feedback though. Hmmm, interesting.

The other thing to consider though, is starting the detox is ultimately at the paitents discretion. The rasing and lowering of the dose is based on the patients feedback. She went from struggling to get the pills thru vaious means, to getting her daily fix legally and regularly. So perhaps she wasn't too eager to give that up, perhaps that was a factor, I don't know.

My main goal after all I went thru with her addiction is just to let people know that side of methadone. As I said before, the clinic proposed it to us as a nice little detox program for opiates. And it wan't a nice little detox at all. They should tell people that it is very difficult to get off of, and direct them to sites such as attwatchdog. Just so that people know that side of it before going on it and not after. That's all I hope to accomplish.

Regards,
T050

[mrmichael67]

I didn't want to be the first one to say that, but I did consider your girlfriend's happiness with just staying where she is nice and comfy.  That does happen.  If someone were to use methadone in a detox type of situation, they would have to stay focused and get on and get off.  Make a plan and follow it to the number.  It is very easy to get comfortable with it and over stay your welcome.

[terter]

I think Thomas might be right on this to say Methadone should be used on the ones who take larger doses of Morphine or Heroine or long time users, My Mom detoxed off Methadone after taking the above drugs and she did it. she spent 4 months after with no sleep ect.. I went through a w/d with her before methadone and I thought she was dyeing but for me and Hydro I don't think it's the way to go, w/d will be much worse with Methadone then the Hydro, Methadone builds up in your system after a while so getting it out takes longer. That's what I was told anyway, If I'm wrong let me know cause I'm not a pro. TER

[mrmichael67]

How long was your mom on methadone?  The reason I ask is if she lost sleep for four months, then she must have been on it for an extended period.  I agree with methadone being used for detox in the period of a month or less.  And, it is the last option....after every thing else has been exhausted.  I feel like a broken record after writing that last sentence.

[terter]

My Mom doesnt talk about it much but I will ask her, I just remember bits and pieces of what she said but I'll find out, I remember finding a burnt spoon in her bathroom when I was young, but I know it started when she got a boob job that got very infected to the point that they had to remove her breasts thats when she got addicted to morphine then went to heroine, she told me I should try Methadone but thank god I read this forum I don't think she was familiar with Hydro w/d since she did the bigger stuff, shes been clean for at least 10 years then went to alcohol until she ended up in the hospital with liver damage and the doc said quit drinking or your dead so she did. she still smokes pot but I'ld rather that then the latter, I will find out the details in hopes it might help anyone here she has lived a very hard life, my sister was killed because of drugs and I know that hits her hard I wish I could get her to tell her story here everyone would be amazed but I wont bore anyone with  it even though I think she could write a book.  TER

[mrmichael67]

Unfortunately, that is how many end up on heroin....from an injury or surgery or whatever that caused pain.  I notice you separating heroin and hydro.  Of course, I don't know what your mom's tolerance was and I don't know how much heroin she was doing.  I just want to comment on that because it happens often where people put heroin in a different league and in many cases, it isn't.  I am not trying to say heroin is not way stronger than whatever because that wouldn't be true.  What is true is many oxy or hydro addicts have tolerances that rival that of a heroin addict.  Actually, I just use the term "opioid dependent" or "opioid addict" as that is basically the bottom line....if someone is addicted to oxy or hydro, they are addicted to opioids, period.  I have talked to someone about a month and a half ago who is an opioid addict with a very high tolerance and was doing a few hundred mg of oxycontin a day.  She didn't realize she was also tolerant to heroin, or any other opioid for that matter.  If one were to take opioids for pain and be on one for a considerable time and then change meds, they would be able to get by with a slightly lower dose with the new opioid due to incomplete cross tolerance.  But, they are still tolerant to the new opioid.  The cross tolerance may be incomplete, but it is still there.  She was so surprised by what I told her.  If you could find out how long your mom was on the methadone, that would be great.  Any info helps.  And, you might have already known what I just wrote.  I just wanted to touch on it as that thought is very prevalent.

[terter]

I totally agree, I think of herione as bigger meaning stronger. Be addicted to an opiate is just that addicted It doesn't mean I'm a better person because I didn't try that, To me it means my w/d probly won't be as bad as that of someone who is taking herione but the end result is the same we all have to fight those demons in our head to keep us off and I'm struggleing with that right now, I saw my mom w/d or try to w/d from heroine, that was something I never want to witness again I believe thats when she started the methodone program, I tried to call her but she hasn't been home. I too believe the pain got her started but I also believe in her case b/c she was so stressed not every day stressed but she was on trial for murder (self defense) I really believe in her depressed state she was trying to be numb to the whole situation. I was proud of her years later, that she didn't go back to it when my sister died because of drugs, The pain that drugs caused my family, I have to wonder knowing this why I even have thoughts of going back. they are so strong right now, I need to be open with my mom right now so maybe she can talk me through this, I will let you know the details, something I want to know anyway. Thanxs TER

[mrmichael67]

Well, there is more to it than willing yourself to not do it.  Wouldn't it be nice if opioids were like weed?  Well, maybe not.  It would just be nice to be able to put it down and walk away if one wanted to.  I would like to be able to walk away, but for a different reason.

[terter]

i guess if someone had the almighty answer they would have shared it by now. thanks theresa

[mrsw]

My husband had surgery a little over a year ago and had complications from the surgery which has left a lot of nerve damage in his left arm.  The nerves are healing, but he has been on pain meds ever since.  He is currently in a pain/rehab center and is there to try to "get off" some of the medication he is currently on.  He was taking 4-5 4 mg hydromorphone daily plus 1200 neurontin.  The rehab center is tapering him off the hydromorphone by having him wear two fentanyl patches 50 mg each and taking only 2 of the hydromorphone.  This is an in-patient center but he is able to come home on the weekend.  He has just finished his 2nd week, with the meds being tapered off as of this last Tuesday.  They had told him doing it this way, he should not go through withdrawals, but he had a pretty hard time of it this weekend.  He was continually dropping things, dozing, forgetting where he put things, etc.  At one point, he was not even sure where he was. He has two more weeks to go and hopefully he will be able to come away with less medication in his body.  His attitude is good, but he seems to think they are weaning him too fast from the hydrophone.

[mrmichael67]

How much is he on now?  If he took five of the 4mg hydromorphone pills, that would be equal to ONE 50ug/hr patch....according to this chart:  http://www.globalrph.com/narcotic.htm

He was on 20mg a day of the hydromorphone.  On the chart, just move over to the fentanyl patch and you will see the dose.  If he was wearing two patches, that is twice his normal dose....pluse two 4mg hydromorphone pills.  I am sure the hospital knows what they are doing.  Are you sure that your info is accurate info?  Was he possibly on more of the hydromorphone than 20mg?  I am not calling you on this.  I just see a big discrepency.  Either way, if he is on two of the patches and two of the 4mg hydromorphone pills, that is a mighty dose.  And, it is one that shouldn't be tapered too quickly, or he will be hurtin' for certain.

[Angelica]

The good doctor summed it up very well.  I am a chronic pain pt. on Oxyc. for two years now.  I am very much dependant on it, but can't live w/o it due to physical pain that can't be remedied until I'm older.  I haven't read the whole thread, but just wanted to share that w/ you, if you would like to talk to me.  I also encountered other paint patients on methadone.  She had to be hospitalized, because she almost stopped breathing.  I think she was highly allergic to it.  From what I understand, they may want to step down from methadone later.... Whats the plan?  I think I'll go back and do some reading.....  Like I said, if I can be of any help, let me know? Best wishes......
Angelica

[doner]

My topic is Methadone and it seems to me that everyone elses opinion is the same. My only advice to opiod users is not to use or let a dr.talk you into using methadone for anything longer than a month. It is the worst drug to get off of that Ive ever known. My boyfriend and I used everything from lorcets vics(any tabs) then to high doses of oxycotin. He has legit pain and his dr. offered him 280 methadone per month. I asked him to take it to detox ourselves from oxys. I am not an expert in medicine like some of you are.All I know is how I feel. I believe that methadone should be left to those who need to detox from heroin through a clinic or for those who will be on a meds for the rest of thier lives. From what I understand(dont quote me) methadone does the least amount of damage to the liver and other such things. I know from personal experience that once you are addicted to methadone no other drug will take the wds away. I was taking 80 mgs per day no other drugs and then ran out. Couldnt stand the pain and 2 oxy 80s didnt even touch it. This is the road I have chosen and willing to take responsibity but would like to warn people of the detox of methadone. I believe it is the most painful and longest lasting withdrawl alive. I am controlling my addiction and am down from 80mgs to 15mgs but it has been a very long and painful road and from what I read the the worst is yet to come. When my boyfriend asked his dr. about the withdrawls from methadone and she told him there was none. They dont know everything. I am posting hopefully to scare anyone without long term pain or a methadone program from ever taking even one although Ive heard if used for a week or so can be effective. I guess I am trying to save anyone out there from the pain I am going throough. Sorry about the long post Good luck to all on their journey to recovery.

[Jerri2]

I got ahold of about 200 methadone pills one time when I couldnt find any other pills and from just that many I know what your saying!That was the worst wds.I've ever been through!And nothing helped them even other pills!!I'm so sorry you are where you are but I will pray for you!Just to talk to people that know what we're going through helps alot!So keep on posting sweetie.I'm on day 2 from vics.and perks.ct.wds.But I find coming here and just venting or trying to help others helps me too!!Love and Hugs...Jerri

[lisabet]

Hey Jerri - your advice and life experience inspires me every day.  You're a sweet soul and it shines through your posts.  I'm glad to see you posting again. I know you tend to "drop out of sight" when you're using, but I really wish you wouldn't. You're an inspiration to me whether you're using or not.  You're still the same sweet person either way.  Your addiction isn't "YOU"...you are you. (Did that make sense?)...smile.  Anyway, since we're kindred souls, you probably know what I mean.... :)   Love you, sweetheart, Lisabet

[doner]

Thank you for your compassion. I am in a very tough place but chose many months ago to contain it and so far have been successful. Cold turkey sent me running back everytime. I have followed my personal program and so far have not stumbled( and let me tell ya coming under 20 mgs almost killed me)But being able to look back at my progress keeps me determined but it also prolongs the process.Some people just arent built for that.On another note it just amazes me how little some drs. know about such things as wds. Methadone is almost at the top of the list for controlled substances and the dr told him no wds. Cmon!
She refused my boyfriend oxycotin because of the terrible wds.(She claims to have worked in a detox center for 7 yrs.)Then gives him 280 10mgs of methadone and has been refilling them ever since. Now Im finding out that they(drs) are giving oxys for methadone wds. I just dont get it. Thanks again take care

[modoggirl]

I saw that someone was asking about detoxing off an opiate with methadone. I want to share my own experience with this and by the way I am a nurse so I knew exactly what I was getting myself into, going on methadone etc......I am also a long time opiate addict over 10 years of heavy use and a total of 20 years of abuse. I am 41 and probably will never stay completely clean.  I also suffer from fibromyalgia and degenerative disc disease. I say that I will never be completely clean because of the pain I suffer, the long time use of opiods and just knowing myself as I do. I have went cold turkey by choice several times with 6 mos. being the longest. I have went cold turkey because I HAD to and whatever the reason for going ct, it just will not work for me..the pain is unbearable, the depression is like being dropped off a cliff emotionally, and the withdrawel symptoms although do get better, NEVER really leave me. Methadone is the only way that I have ever been able to stay clean for over 6 mos. with little or no wd symptoms. I have an excellent councellor also. As far as group therapy goes, a site such as this could be beneficial but watch out for the useless bickering that hopefully is more under control and monitored now. If you can relate to what i am saying, methadone may be right for you. It is less expensive than most street drugs, it is medically monitored and the side effects are few and seldom dangerous. The clinic I attend requires random and frequent drug screens and a yearly physical exam with  a U/A and bloodwork. It has good councelling which is as important as the pharmacological support of methadone. Even with all the benefits it is a narcotic that you are using to replace another and does have wd symptoms just like any other opiates. It can be tapered over a period of time to ease the wd symptoms. I probably will never get clean but this treatment has kept me as clean as I have been in many years...good luck to you all who are trying so hard to find your way to a clean life. God does love us all...no matter what

[Jerri2]

lisabet,Your so right you did make perfect sense to me!!I'm back and will try to stay out of hiding this time!So good so far!! doner,You/ve come a long way so just stay on your path and you will get to the end!!I cant tapper off of anything cause if I got it I take it when I want It! Love and Hugs..Jerri

[bmac]

OK first yes lisabet there is enought to go around. And I don't have anything sloppy(peaz can explain that to U) and I am the man BTW. Jerri I am incredibly groovy this fine Friday afternoon.
To all the lovely ladies out there this is Bmac and I am bringin' you babes on home to me , now awwww , get it! Tighten up! OK I have spoken!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Big Mac

[Jerri2]

I see how it is!!Now that you got all the women hanging on ya you call yourself Big Mac!!Is that short for Big Mac Daddy????Glad to hear your doing great!!!  Jerri

[lisabet]

Ok - Billy, don't get a swelled head, now...just cause you got all the gals fighting over you...smile.  As you say, there's enough of you to go around....Have a great weekend, Big Mac. Glad to see you posting again (and keeping all the ladies happy...)...smile.  Love, Lisabet

[peaz]

Hey--I ain't 'splainin' ****......LOL      It's survival of the fittest....:-)   (Of course you know we have to humor him--otherwise he tends to pout..> WINK)

[bmac]

Hey watch it Peazy! Oh course you are ALL right! Women are smarter and Yes peazy I put the toilet seat back down when Im through. LOL  Now Lisabet and Jerri,  next! cat gotcha tounges?
IMR'O'TF!  "BIG" MAC DADDY!

[lisabet]

Don't pout baby!!!!  Peazy, Jerri and I will take good care of ya, along with all the other "babes" on the board that's vying for your attention!!!  (do you "really" always put the toilet seat down?  Now I'm REALLY impressed!)...smile  Have a great weekend, Billy.  Love, Lisabet

[Jerri2]

We're listening "SWEET CHEEKS"!!!!  Jerri

[bmac]

You just don't know what it does to an old man to have real women around. Man I ain't got no reason to pout! (bottom lip quevered) And you two need to talk to peazy before youz twoz guyz go any farther. I am trouble, I mean I am the guy yo momma warned you about when you were a youngun! LOL
Musicians make bad Husbands but great Lovers! Oh that was soooo good! Wanna see my tool (OK stop it , I meant my Bass!) 'women'!
disgusting!...................Bmac JK LOL

[bmac]

Oh BTW, I am a Lesbian! I thought you should know that!
                   Bill

[peaz]

What you do w/ the toilet seat is just not on my list of priorities, Doll.........LOL    Believe me, I WILL clue these chicks in w/ all KINDS of caveat emptors.....
  Now, as for YOU ( grabbing you by your ear and pulling you after me....)YOU come w/ me:  we need to get a couple thangs STRAIGHT!!    LOL    Peazy Mae

[bmac]

I need the attention of all my Ho's. You know who you are . I am giving each of you until Monday morning at 10 am central time to check in and give me my cut! LOL
OK got that, do I need to get my crayons out here?

Another thing, I see where MrGoatstar is on vacation. Well Mr Goat I am sorry for trashing your website, I was wrong and I won't let it happen again.! Peace! No more anger management seesions here for BillyBob, thanks you sweet people. Big hug'ums............  BIG MAC DADDY

[doner]

Eventhough Ive only started posting since June1st I think most everyone knows my bag.Explaining my personal journey on every post helps me but takes up space for people who need to post as much as I do so Ill save the room. My b/friend and I have been weening down methadone to 15 mgs for mos. He has legit pain but initially made a personal decision to deal w/ the pain to get off the drugs. Lately as in the past week or two has been bringing up the fact that he does have legit pain in his back and may need drugs.Kinda feels like hes warming me up for a slap in the face.He has 3 slip discs that cannot be operated on. I believe he is one of the few that would be a candidate for permanent methadone use. I could stay my path and let him stay on the meth if he has legit pain. Watching him take methadone  wouldnt be that hard because I hate the drug. I  only use it for maintenance and have a solid and so far successful plan to be off it totally. But now hes talking about oxycotin or percoset for his pain(his drs would easily give it to him)Can a drug addict that is trying to stay her path to recovery live with a man that takes the exact drugs that almost ruined our lives. I kinda feel like hes bailing on coming clean which leaves me very alone since we started our journey together. I very seriously doubt I could watch him use and continue to be clean but who am I to tell him what he can take for his pain. Do I have the right?Any advice would be much appreciated. I used more room than I intended I apologize. Take care

[peaz]

Gee--You can't ask anything simple, can you??!! LOL  First of all , please don't apologize for "taking up space" or saying too much. Your concerns are legitimate and difficult and we need to try and help you.
   Personally, if I was clean and had to live w/ someone taking my DOC (even if it WAS legitimate) I wouldn' t  be clean very long. I just KNOW ME.  Yet, have you the right to  voice your fears in view of the fact that he is in pain and NEEDS something--and always WILL?  (I think those are your questions). It seems to me the obvious solution would be to provide him w/ pain relief that doesn't enter your realm of temptation--if at all possible.  Is there any particular reason he can't stay on the methadone?  Then he would have relief and you woudn't be put on shaky ground.  Tell me more about why he's switching to the percs/ oxy or whatever..... Peazy

[doner]

Thanks for the response. There is no reason he cant stay on the meth. I told him it was probably the best thing for him. Better on his liver and no euphoric feeling that leaves him wanting more. I already know as well as he does that if he got a bottle of oxys from his doc he would go from "swallowing 2@20 mgs per day" as he promises "for legitamate pain"  to crushing and snorting 4 80s a day. And there will always be one of his "friends" around to get them from. He's prescribed 280 10mg meth per month. She (his doc)lets him pick what he wants. Gotta hate docs like that. She offered the meth and I told him to grab it so we could detox.(very bad idea)Ive accepted the price and am paying it everyday. So legitly hes supposed to take 3 3 time daily.90mgs per day. You should have seen the pharmacists eyes.That should be enough to fix his aching back(which by the way he hardly ever remembers to complain about)Its almost like he wants to go back. I already know I cant stop him.Every individual must want it for themselves. I feel like hes warming me up for it,like he wants me to say "oh sure bring some oxys home,its ok" He assures me that its my choice and he'll do whatever I want but I know it has to be his choice or he'll do whatever he wants sooner or later anyway. So I tell him it's up to him, but that I dont know if I can stay if he goes down the oxy road. Is that fair? Whats worse is I feel Ive lost my partner and that Im now on my journey for sobriety alone. Tough one huh?

[peaz]

Yes, Doll--this is a toughie.....You don't say how long you've been together, but it really doesn't matter: an addict will makes his choices according  to his drug sense, not his heart sense.....Most therapists would tell you to put your recovery FIRST, at whatever price.  I'm not sure I could do that so I certainly am not going to preach it to you. But you must consider it, I think.....Otherwise the result is your partner's life going down the tubes, and yours in the aftermath.  Drug addiction only gets worse, as you already know by prophesizing the progression of a few oxys taken right to the crushing and snorting phase...It most assuredly will NOT have a good outcome. And you are correct in sensing that he isn't at all serious about any recovery. I'm afraid you're on your own, here, babe.  Do you love him?  Does he love you?  Would he consider rehab since his at-home attempts don't seem to be succeeding?  If the answers to these questions are "yes", then we would hope he would be more inclined to listen to your pleas and do what's best for both of you.
   Well, I said a big bunch of  nothing and brought to no closer to a solution than before.....:-) TRY to save yourself.  You can't do it for him.  Much love--Peazy

[venus]

after taking 80mg oxy 3 times a day for 5 years now, i want to be free of this addiction. for several reasons i need to be discreet and find a way to do this at home and without missing time from work.i have been a day without them before i could get more, and it nearly killed me going through withdrawls. does anyone have any remedies, i do have hook ups for other meds if needed. please if you know of anything that can help me conquer this demon.  thanks

[FLaddict]

This thread is 4 years old. It will get overlooked by current members due to the age of the original post. if you need support or help please repost in a new question or in a post the was created today so that yours does not get lost in the mix.. the site moves fast..

Welcome..

[venus]

hey, thanks. This is the first one I came across. It looked pretty outdated.Thanks again!

[Spaz1on1]

This drug kills left and right im afraid i might be dead before i can fix that however here is the true facts im addicted to oxycontin at a dose most people would never think of. I do not take methadone or saboxone or any of that.  Methadone is the worst one out of all of them.  Ive been addicted to this drug for 5 years and in the process i managed to get control of the addiction but still get high.  At this point i would do anything to be the old jim that everyone loved however im afraid it wont happen.  DO NOT EVERY CHOSE METHADONE FOR GETTING OFF OXY IT WILL KILL YOU FASTER AND IS WAY MORE ADDICTING APPROXIMATELY 12 TIMES HARDER TO GET OFF THEN OXY.  Im saying all of this because i know someone out there is listening and i need help  every time i try to take it easy i get to manic and suicidal If there was a miracle for me to be normal again i would take it. ive wrecked almost everything close to me and i only got 1 friend left that is stickin with me and hes a true friend however he hates seeing me like this i fall asleep on chairs couches or even at a restaurant and im tired of everyone looking at me thinking what the **** is wrong with this dude.  Its too late for me but not for the country these drugs need to be stopped from begin made so many lives have been destroyed from oxycontin including my own.  IM REALLY TIRED AND DONT HAVE MUCH LEFT IN ME I LIVE IN COLORADO AND I WISH SOMEONE COULD HERE ME CRY AND BEG GOD TO GET ME THROUGH THIS.  THERE IS JUST NOONE LET THIS BE A LESSON TO THOSE WHO HAVE TRIED OR ABOUT TO START TAKING THIS DRUG IT ONLY TAKES 1 TIME THATS ALL IT TOOK FOR ME.  IF ANYONE OUT THERE CARES ABOUT WHAT I HAVE TO SAY PLEASE PRAY FOR ME I HAVE MY FAITH YET ITS NOT SO STRONG  I CANT LIVE LIKE THIS ANYMORE IM GETTING CLOSE TO THE END.

[line618]

my son is 18 and using oxsycontin ( maby spelled wrong )  and other pills it is so scary my brother died from overdose heorin , why is all this **** around,  i hate it  , u cant control it  help  me  hanna

[MarikaYes]

Hello,

I am a typical college student, maybe not so -A+ perfect GPA- it happens to a lot  of us; for many different reasons. I came across this site and found it reassuring to hang in there. I am detoxing at home over the weekend WITHOUT any meds-it's all in the mind.  Although the body does react when not in contact with the opediod- it gets better. For me, my family and my future- at least no long tainted in the process. To ALL-hang stong. A healthier future is the right way.