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My first thought would be that your doctor may be detoxing you too fast. I would explain to him your symptoms and ask if he could do it slower. I know for me (different drug) the slower the better!! It may prolong the detox awhile longer but at least the withdrawals will be a lot milder.
Sharon
You are currently at a level where you now need to switch to a short acting med, like percocet, lortab, or norco. Preferrable the hydrocodone, not the oxycodone which is in percocet. That will ease you through these last couple weeks of taper.
That is just my opinion. As well as personal experience. I have went through both. I founnd it easier to switch to hydrocodone when I was at a low enough dose of the oxcontin to ease the withdrawal systems.
Good luck, you are down to a fairly low level of opiates. These last few weeks will be easier if you switch to the shorter acting meds prior to getting off completely.
Good luck, you have come a long way.
The end of the road is near,
Chezz
Sharon
I lost my mom to cancer about 4 months ago. After she passed away I came across some of her pain medication that had not been disposed of. It was MS Contin and MSIR. Both morphine substances, one being slow release and one being quick. I should have thrown them away at the time but I kept them because I thought that they would help me "feel better" in dealing with the loss of my mom. When I took it for the first time it gave me that euphoric feeling that everything would be OK. At first I only took it three or four times a week and never thought about addiction. Eventually I had to increase the dosage to get the same feeling. What it has come down to is that over the last 6 weeks I have taken it almost daily in doses ranging from 50 to 100 mg. I have tried to skip days but I hated the withdrawal symptoms so I would use just enough to get me through the day. I do not need to take it around the clock. It is now 10:15 am and I feel fine. Yesterday I did not take any until 3:00 in the afternoon. I think I can make it through a day without it but I am sure it will be difficult. I am now down to my last few pills. I have several questions that maybe you could help me with. Are the withdrawal symptoms the worst in the first 2 or 3 days or does the worse come later? What can I expect? I do have Klonopin that I can take at night to help me sleep. Should I go see my doctor and "fess up" to what happened or will he not be able to help me because I took someone else's medication? If I stop cold turkey do I face severe health issues or just severe withdrawal symptoms? I guess my question is: could I die from withdrawal? I guess I need to know if I can do this on my own. I am ready to stop. That I am sure of. I am just scared of the W/D symptoms. I have a wife (and 2 small kids)but I do not want her to know what has happened. I guess it boils down to one question: Should I see my doctor or can I get through this on my own? I just want to do what is best for my health.
I am sorry for taking up your time but if you have any advice I would love to hear it. God Bless all of you! You provide a great service!
Sharon
6 days,runnu nose, cold sweats, the shits, body pain,
reatless leg at night, unable to sleep at night.
depression which can be severe, totlo lack of energy.
basicaly flu like symptoms week one, you are in no real danger
with the withdrawls, tho you may feel like death.
there is a receipe of vitamins here at this fourm known as thomas receipe, im sure you have seen it if you have been reading
the last few months.
the shits in week one will deplete you of all nutreints in your body ,this will make the withdrawls more painful, so
it is advised to take imodium (immodium) in the 1st week.
having something to take to help you sleep in week one is
also advised , like valume or xanax, , klonipin.
L-trrosine 500 mg 8 a day week one ,4 aday weeks after.
you may want to ajust the l-tyrosine.
b-6 100mg 2 a day ,take them in the morning with the l-tyrosinr.
a strong multy vitamine 1 a day
vitamine s A.-- C and E
calsium -magnisum
zinc
there are 3 or four other ingredents you wil have to look them up or somone will post them
you can start taking the ones i mentioned right away.
peace!!!!!!!
day and night.
Good thing it's not your toe - then we would have to call a Toe Truck! (Compliments of my 7 year old!)
Rex
i have been resting for 2 days so , the knees feel
okay, but i can't rest forever.
back to the daily grind on monday at 5 am.
i have an appointment with the philadelphia eagles
ortho ,doctor to look at the right knee and see if there is a solution.
it is ice and rain here , that does not help.
peace ,
got to go out , be back in a few hours.
got to take my dad for his radation treatment.
To answer your question--No, you will not die from opiate withdrawal. Unlike withdrawals from alchohol or benzos, opiate withdrawal is not dangerous. You may, however, feel like you'd like to die. But you can do it. I was scared to death about detoxing. My fear kept me using for several months after I had decided I wanted to quit. Use the Thomas recipe given above. Many will swear by it.
You are amongst friends. There are many hear that have experienced exactly what you are about to go through. Lean on this forum for support. Your use, while high, was of a relatively short duration. This cuts in your favor. Best regards.
Glad you are feeling better.
Rex
Its funny. Now that I am off the opiates, my mind has been craving about everything else--alchohol, pot, etc. I never was really into any of these substances before. I think I trying to trick myself into another addiction. Have you experienced any of this? Honestly, I don't feel a strong desire to use opiates anymore. Probably, because they kicked my ass so bad that I have a genuine fear of them. I know 12 step programs teach total sobriety. So far so good for me, but I am bewildered by my cravings.
I been on every narcotic a doctor can prescribe..I'm not about war stories....my last run...was ummmm hummm....320 mgs - 380 mgs
a day...eating Ultram 4-8 @ a time...Prococets 10 mgs and Oxy IR 5mgs like candy..Put it this way...I would chew 2-3 80 mgs of oxycotin @ a time then flush them down with hot tea...I would take anywhere between 50 mgs - 80 mgs between my on oxycotin..yumm..yumm fun...and this is with the Ultram...Before I decided instead of feeling mentally, spritually dead..I would live with my chronic pain...I'm on day 8th of my detox...and I haven't slept in almost 5 days now..but know I can see what I was..and forgot the person I used to be!
It's going to hurt *wrong word* theres no magic cure....our body and brain chimistry is dilvering us a bill...and its time to PAY UP!
Like in the Movie Training DAY...when Denzel say's "KING KONG don't have **** on me"! *Man UP*
Step up to the plate...cause its either us or the drugs...period. If you can get through the first 5 days then your almost over the hump.
I did this all out-patient with an addictionologist...There cheap and if you can get your pain meds you can pay for a consult there cheap.
All he gave me was all the basic stuff you read about...I'm not going to post the dosages and times...I'm not a doctor.
The main med was CLONODINE or are used primarily to drop the blood pressure of a detoxing addict, thus technically relieving the addict of some anxiety & physical pain. Trazadone..it makes u yawn..but didn't work for me this time around.
Goodluck and God Bless,
If you want it bad enough then you can do anything you want to.
Mentor.
Sincerley,,,, Erika
As the human race has developed we start to use more and more of our "higher" brain, the intelligent part. The part that says "don't eat too much, don't smoke it'll kill you,use a rubber when you have sex and are you crazy? One pill? ha!"
For addicts, the urge to use comes from the primal part and it tries to outsmart the higher brain. The freakiest part is that even though it tells you it just wants to drink it really wants the opiates. It takes the path of least resistance. You are convinced you never want an opiate again, but pot? maybe.
The intelligent part of our brains is more fragile so once penetrated ie alcohol, pot etc. it's more likely to be overcome by the stronger core brain. Think about what happens when a person is in a coma, they may still breathe and the heart may still beat but no intelligent communication can be detected. So be careful still...that's why they say our disease is cunning, baffling and powerful. I am right there with you, I can't imagine taking another opiate either but then I wonder if thats my primal brain trying to trick me to. So I just don't risk it, at least I haven't yet.
teeitup!
Thomas
Thomas
Your closer then ever. Could you go CT right now, then? Just a thought, just a thought!
It can all be over in a week' time if you want...
You are doing great and will feel great too. I would say today I am nearly back to normal, as in before the pills even started. But tommorrow could bring more pain - we'll see.
Every day gets better once you are off completely.
Rex
teeitup!
I am not increasing my dosage. I have been taking the same dosage for about 2 years. Sometimes I think I have some withdrawal symptoms in between doses. Is this bad. I heard the more times you go through withdrawal the worse it gets, then does that mean that I am going through some withdrawal everyday and it is going to be worse on me because I have not increased my dosage and have allowed my body to go through withdrawal many times. I hope someone out there has some answers that will help me understand.
P.S. I don't mean to whine I know I got myself into this situation but getting out is so hard. I wonder if I ever will. also even before this I was addicted to narcotic cough medicine for about 5 years even though I didn't realize it at first. thanks to all for listening and good luck.
I've been off them for only 4 day's and already feeling better.
I started going to NA mettings and it really helps to know your not alone.
Things they say that stuck in my head was "ONE IS TO MANY AND A THOUSAND IS NOT ENOUGH" How true is that.
"WE DIDN'T GET ADDICTED IN ONE DAY SO ITS FOOLISH TO THINK WE CAN BE UNADDICTED IN ONE DAY"
So my advice to everyone is go to a NA meeting and just sit an listen. You don't have to do it alone there is help out there you just have to make up your mind you want it.
4 day's of hell is better then a life time.
I am stretching, the way I should have been doing all along, plus the recipe and lots of water.
Of course being off of work has helped ;-). How about you, how are hnaging in there?
Rex
Do you know how brave you are? I ask my 5 year old son this question quite often when he is about to do something scary, like getting a shot or starting his first day of kindergarden. When your scared to do something but you do it anyway, that is what it means to be brave. So do it anyway.
I was wondering though, is it the withdrawel your really afraid of or could it be the fear of having to face life with out your mom? When my dad died I went numb for awhile too by drinking a few glasses of wine (this was pre drugs) but I did get through that time the same way as I do today. One day at a time.
Yes, if you crush the MSContin it becomes immediate release. It also leaves the system faster. I wouldn't do it though, there is some risk of overdose because you get alot higher dose than your used to.
If you start to waiver about the decision you've made, think about what your mom would have wanted for your life. The good news it that when you do go through with detoxing you'll have a guardian angel up there holding your hand and rooting you on. Good luck and God Bless.
I'm glad you vomitted, as this post would likely be directed at both of you had you not.
People definately have varying degrees of physical and mental withdrawals; but from what you have written, I would say your BF is likely to start feeling pretty shitty very soon(if he has in fact taken/snorted his last dose)
I'm not sure if he exclusively snorts, but typically Oxycontin, being longer acting, takes longer to get out of the system.
I would highly recommend picking up the OTC portions of the Thomas recipe to help him thru this( as you intimated Rx is not available). Several people I know (I believe Saveyourself on this forum included) have felt surprisingly well initially coming off OxyContin, only to hit "the wall" hard around a week or so out.
THOMAS RECIPE
If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.
For the Recipe, You'll need:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (immodium) (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.
During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium (immodium) aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.
At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.
With breakfast, take the mineral supplement.
As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.
I hope things go well for your BF and you.
Percs
I have a question for you. I know that your BF's boss wants him off the pills, and I know you want him off, but DOES YOUR BF WANT OFF????
Just a question, cause we could talk about what to do till we are blue in the face; but if he doesn't want off, our efforts are more than likely futile. Is he still taking vikes?? How much morphine did he get??
I've had a couple back surgeries, with the most recent a year ago.
Was completely controlled by percs for over 4-5 years.
I got off last August, so it will be 5 mths on Sunday.
Yes i live with pain, and no I can't think of anything that worlks quite like opiates; but they just sucked everything else out of me.
I do all the stretches recommended by the Canadian back institute(thats where i live), all the anti-inflamms, and regular exercise...Plus dips in my hot tub nightly.
Wish I could give you some magic, but there really isn't any.
Percs No More
my back pain was the absolute worst during my withdrawals which lasted about a week +.
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still have a weird fog in my head when I get stressed out at work, but that's improving I think?? I Hope... I have a good
support group of family, and friends. After a couple weeks I will get back to the Physical Therapy regiment that I was into
prior to getting lazy and letting the stupid f####'n little
pill take me into it's Easy way back to Work and Life. A short term leg up.
The Doc's don't tell you about how hard it is to stop
when you say It's
time! now! because your sick of saying to yourself,
WHAT THE F### DID I JUST SAY ?? WHAT AM I DOING!
EVERYDAY IS JUST BLENDING INTO THE NEXT !!!
I'm done with it
Thanks to all
Jack K
Does anyone know if clonodine can be used with the "Thomas" recipe along with Valium. Basically are there any dangers involved in mixing the Clonodine and Valium? Planning to kick a 100mg Oxy (snort) habit next weekend. I have ran out before for a couple of days and basically just sweated and felt like I had the flu. I wish I had known about this post sooner for all the helpful information and moral support. I have all the ingredients in the Thomas recipe as of tonight. Just going to use up the last of my perc's before the weekend. God bless you all. Thanks.
Jerry
Did you pick up the ingedients of the Thomas Recipe??
It can be a huge help getting thru that brain-fog. You won't need the valium now that you are finishing day 4, but all the rest of the ingedients, I'd get.
Percs
PS post up top, break threads, its ok people get busy and sometimes don't have time to read down here ok?
~I was on 10-20 10/325 perocet for 2 years on an off, i just did a 6 day darvon taper and then after 5 days on 2 darvon left w/ nothing i statrted cold turkey dt and today is day 5 and the migraine in my kneck area was sooo bad i took two norcos tonight, am i going to have to start the detox all over again? or, will i be ok tomorrow and pick up were i left off??, after 10 days I'm still having bad migraines, which is what was so discouraging and i couldn't bear the migraine pain any more so i took the last two i had in my hidden stash. how much longer should i expect??, thanks
PINK~
The only hope I have is that for a few moments I feel not too bad. It doesn't last long but it gives me hope and my depression isn't has bad. I think its working, but right now I feel so sick! Right at this moment my whole body is throbbing. I will post daily with updates. I pray tomorrow I feel better.
Its day 6. Last night I was able to get a few hours sleep. though I the pain in my legs was very bad. I did some research and found this is normal. the pills had made my nerve cells go dormant and the tingling and electric impulses are the nerves regenerating. Walking helps. but I am very weak. I think the worst is over, but I know I still have a long way to go.
http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Addiction-Substance-Abuse/Oxycontin-cured-my-depression-and-ruined-my-life/show/1015292
It is more up yo date.
Yes, you will go through withdrawals if you stop taking suboxone. It is an opiate just like methedone and oxycontin. It is just longer lasting so you don't get the high and lows It gives you a steady stream of dope for 24 hrs. oxys last only about 6 hrs at most.
I don't recommend you do what I did. If I had to do it over again I would go to a detox facility. There if any thing goes wrong they have the meds and professionals to get you through it. A few times I got so scarred, my blood pressure rose so high and my heart was beating way to fast. I could have had a heart attack. Luckily my heart is strong. At least get a full medical if you do try to do it yourself.
good luck and go to the other thread it is current.